Battery Powered Steering and Five Radiators | 900hp Electric Escape Project
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- Опубліковано 27 бер 2023
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Factor is some great easy food and way better then waiting on doordash sucks i cant use your code ive been use them 4 a month now
i should have gone to sleep a very long time ago but im here watching an aging wheels video the SECOND it comes out! thats a first! and soo worth it! oh and i shared it on discord to my brother who is also a fan of your channel robert so your wecome! cant wait to see your next upload! :D
dont forget you can find diesel hydraulic break booster and run power steering into it reduce many watt reduce too much motors
those plates ;)
Factor is NOT available to Canadians! What BS is this...
I will say it over and over, but the whimsy in your editing and presentation make watching your videos such a joy to watch. I love the silly bits you add in post as well as the intentional filming choices you make throughout.
Very strong "it's a hobby, things you do for fun should be fun" vibe. World needs more of that.
I never get tired of the zrrp-zrrp-zrrp-zrrp-zrrp edit of bolting and welding
I second this! Makes this content stand out between all the car fiddling channels out there! Enjoying the videos and always watching them fully - no ff-ing for aging wheels!
@@SimuLord agreed. the low-stress "because" reasoning behind everything on the channel gives it a very fun and light hearted vibe. no challenges or anything like that, just silly ass cars
Agreed. The editing and vibe is the only reason i watch this channel. I couldn't give a flying hoot about cars, but his joy is contagious. Love a person who loves a thing so much they can make you love it too
I love how almost jank this is. It really is engineering, but with a hint of "Hold my beer".
I love this description
@@agingwheels so... The e-scape is called the (almost) jank tank now?
@@agingwheels Can we say "new merch idea" with this?
sad that in most of EU this probably would be illegal as hell to take anywhere on the road :/ so these projects are much more common in the US than here in the EU where i live
@@BadMax02_VR In most of EU you can get it tested and made legal for a price.
There's something funny about turning on an ignition in a car that doesn't have an engine (or drive motors).
My work car, a Citroën ë-C4, is electric from the factory and has an ignition barrel!
Did that with my project car. No engine, trans or driveshaft but went with an all new wiring harness so we had to make sure things worked.
I'd imagine the "check engine" light would be on.. ;)
@@etekweb bet it isn’t seeing as the ECU is gone lol
I’ve done the same thing to turn on my radio, to test my new speakers on my 2008 Civic while I was waiting on my rebuilt engine. It was rather funny. I was surprised it didn’t throw any codes for open circuits (all of the engine wiring was disconnected).
In case nobody's told you today that you rock.... You rock!
thank you! ^w^
I’m a join the chorus: “You Rock!”
Thank you, paul
🤘
You rolled with that.
I really appreciate your “get to the point” video style. It always feels like project car videos take up a lot of time for a little bit of content. You tackled and completed two main components of this project, all in under 20 minutes. The project I most compare it to is the Electric Hummer project from JerryRigEverything. Every video of his on the Hummer has been drawn out to the point of feeling like nothing has gotten done. To be fair, he doesn’t have the same skills as you do, but that doesn’t mean he needed ten videos on hooking up and making battery boxes.
I appreciate the compliment, and I do try to trim the fat on my videos as much as possible, but I can definitely see the other side. I'm probably going to spend a month on these battery boxes. Getting only one video out of that, while pleasing to the viewer (and me from an artistic point of view), is perhaps not the best business move. After all, the video is the thing that makes money. It's also a bit disappointing to have days worth of work trimmed down to a couple minutes. That said, I'm just going to keep doing what I'm doing.
@@agingwheels hell yeah, do what you do best! :)
@@agingwheels The video is what makes the money, but the viewer needs to find value in the video for you to make the money. If their isn't enough content in the video, getting views will be hard. If their is too much content in the video, you are leaving money on the table. Then their is the question of "how technical are you going to be?" I think you have the right balance. Keep doing what you do and you will be making money off every video into the future. That is... If UA-cam doesn't screw things up... again.
As a follower of both channels, the reason why I follow you both is not for knowledge acquisition or training, it's for entertainment. Therefore the more videos you make, the more you entertain and I look forward to the next video every time! I definitely rather have 4 videos in a month with small updated than having one every month with a major milestone.
As a business point of view, views bring the money to the workshop for the further purchase of parts. Fewer views means less money which means less content to watch.
I love your videos, sense of humor and humility when working. Just keep doing what you do and I look forward to seeing your next release! 🤩
@Aging Wheels please do! I have always enjoyed the heck out of your editing. (Especially grinding the rivets on the roof of the bus, mounting light fixtures and any time you cut many pieces of something)
Man, this vehicle looks a million bucks. What a whimsical project. Your videos are always a highlight!
You say it looks like a million bucks, I say it looks like misappropriated funds
@@agingwheels A million misappropriated bucks?
@@agingwheels your words, not mine🥹
@@agingwheels misappropriated funds would have been if you tried to rebuild all of the codas
This is an EV conversion
Milspec aviation connectors might be your ticket for the battery.
MS3509 (750A sustained/1500A peak) is the highest I could find, definitely fine as a pair.
They seem to be discontinued
I wonder what stud suggested waiting a few seconds for that pump to turn on.
Oh you mentioned me later in the video. That’s what I get for commenting during the video.
I love how much work you did to DIY a radiator zip tie/fan mount.
I thought the same thing.
yeah especially when a solution for this already exists
I have 2 concerns about your quad heater core setup. The first being the numerous airlocks that they're going to cause, and the second being that the airflow through them won't be great. The fans are going to suck much more air through the exposed parts of the radiator, and probably very little through the cores. Hopefully the whole setup is overkill enough that it won't be a big deal, but I really think you're better off with just a second normal radiator.
If you want to salvage the heater core idea, then they'd work a lot better spaced like an inch or so away from the rad, with a shroud to make sure all the air is going through the cores first, then the rad. You could use your fancy-pants plasma CNC and sheet metal brake to fabricate this shroud pretty easily.
Or shifted to one side, so that the fans can be split operation. Maybe put ac on the other. Vacuum bleeding the system will help, but pockets will develop naturally as parts hit boiling point. So you’re right in that the ends should be pointed up to allow it to clear on its own.
My design was much more lazy. Exhausted everything to the cabin, and let the automatic climate control sort it out. Overkill for the motors/inverter, but the battery and I were happy.
@@AaronandbriEnne the coolant will never hit boiling point though, 180°F is 80°C which is well below boiling.
well you see the advantage he has is the car needs far less cooling than a combustion engine he only needs to cool a couple hundred degrees and not the near 1000 that a regular engine would produce so partially restricted air flow won't hurt much.
@@jonthefuzz Radiators rely heavily on temperature difference to work efficiently though. It's much easier to cool something with ambient air that's around 200f, because you have over 100 degrees of difference. With batteries though, you only have tens of degrees difference to play with.
The airlocks are something I hadn't considered, but vacuum bleeding will help that. Something that helps me out immensely is that this cooling setup is pretty massively oversized, so I should be good. If I find out this doesn't work, easy swap and knowledge gained!
This guy is an engineering genius.
This is the first UA-cam video about a power steering pump bracket I've watched that didn't involve a mini.
Your reaction to the pump turning on the first time was hilarious. Lol
I was curious, do you plan on upgrading your blinker system to all electric, so you don't have to constantly worry about maintaining your blinker fluid levels? Been loving this series.
Are there any charger networks in the US that supply orange electricity, though?
@@hjalfi I’m pretty sure it only comes in “Green” and “Dinosaur” currently.
@@ebouwman034 it also comes in "Blue Green" and "Glowing Blue"
@@tagno25 that glowing blue is the shit, fr fr
@@AbyssEyes02 _May contain trace amounts of nuclear radiation_
Best Ford Escape on UA-cam
Threaded rod has a tendancy to chew through the radiator tubes that's why there are specific plastic radiator fixings for oil coolers and things. you should be able to source a pwm controller or variable speed dc motor controller that will work fine to control the speed of those fans. Awesome build so far!
Agreed.
They make easy connectors for putting a fan on a radiator for hotrods and such, I have on my t bucket. 10/10 recommend, it’s like a zip tie with a flat washer head
Yeah kinda funny how worried he was about metal-metal contact on the face and then just jammed a bunch of threaded rods through the fins.
@@kaelwddissimilar metals at that!
rapid prototyping with a cnc laser, glorious. what a fun project to watch.
*LEARNING TIG* is very much like learning gas welding [IMO] and when I was taught to gas weld [at pannel beating college] was to first just learn to join two bits of metal together by melting the two parts into each other - learn to control the "pool" - then when you get that sorted learn to dab in extra bits of metal to the pool with the rod
I love how you don't claim to know everything about everything, you're smart enough to know what you don't know!
Always a good day when Robert posts a new video!! Best channel on UA-cam!!
Right. Quite educational.
there's been a lot of work done to reverse engineer the CANBus protocol that pump uses. it might be worth pulling those wires into the interior so you can do fun things in the future like reduce assistance at speed, or completely turn the pump off when you're going fast enough.
This is the right answer. Solve it in software.
I appreciate the collection of rock-auto stickers, still the most affordable means of getting parts for my old truck.
If you need a great price on the wrong parts and no way to actually speak to anyone about it you can't beat rockauto!
That radiator really is iconic.
Gotta say I was a bit sad to hear that this will never be taken to a track, I would love to see a quarter mile rip when it's "finished". Either way, I still love it, it's gonna be such a sleeper.
I'm pretty sure he's said he's being sponsored to get it ready for the drag strip - he's just not planning to take it to a "track day".
@@Khrrck oh that's cool if true
Tpu actually holds up fine in an engine bay. Ive had 3d printed radiator bushings and motor moubt inserts working for over a year with no failures.
imagine just being on the road in a super sporty lamborghini and having less horsepower than an electric converted early 2000s ford hatchback with a massive dent in it. i love this vehicle
I just imagine like a group of people who own expensive cars all in a call and then one of their buddies is late and they explain the experience of how they somehow got horribly by a Ford escape of all things
As a kid, I always wanted to take an old car and put batteries in it. I live this series.
The fact that you said both “less visits” and “fewer visits” right next to each other is making my OCD do funny things… well done!
The best I know from dealing with electric lift equipment is Anderson connectors, for your case specifically power pole 180s, they can take 350 amps at 600v BUT they are stackable, for your case you can do a 4 by 3(or a 2x6, or 2 2x3s etc) configuration for 12 connectors(6 for each pole) matted together as a single unit for 600v at 2100 amps(or two, but if you make multiple connections, it might be a good idea to only stack the positives or neutrals in a unit, so in case of disconnect you don't draw all the current from only half the connectors), there are likely better solutions, but in battery operated forklifts and lift equipment Anderson is the standard, and it's made to be unplugged every day since the batteries are charged directly from the connector, I've never used equipment with such a big connector so the matting forces might not be plesnt to plug and unplug though(note pp180 is originally rated 180 amps hence the name, but they have been retested with larger wire, and ul certified with 350 being the current , current rating I believe with 3/0 wire, but they get derated for ambient, at 50c they are limited to 310 amp I believe or there about)
Powerpoles are great, but they're not weather sealed and are only IP20 (finger safe) rated when they're connected. I would worry about handling a block of them attached to a battery un-mated, especially in dirty shop conditions. They do have some weather sealed variants available that might work, but they're more custom.
@@Skyhawkson yeah agreed for weather sealing(rewatching, that alone means I didn't recommend what he asked for so its null and void since this isn't what he wants), I wouldn't worry about handling them though unless it's actively raining while unhooking it, kinda the point of them to be able to handle them, as far as weather resistance 90% of that can be fixed with a healthy amount of dielectric grease, still probably wouldn't trust it for sprays or direct water submersion, but by itself would probably be enough to stop any corrosion issues, regardless in a automotive situation you would probably stick the block into a box
I use SB350 Andersons with my electric winches and they are not perfect
This man is the man. I whatched even the saab videos 4/5 years after... from the editing to the personality, 10/10 ngl
genuinely thought that thumbnail was a clickbait-sorta picture, you never miss Robert
Big rad for the batteries and the heater cores for the motor.
Anderson connectors go up to 2000A, they are found on electric forklifts and the like, kind of an industry standard by now. they are not IP rated though.
2nd point: heater cores usually have a way higher fin density than front mounted radiators. this causes way more air resistance, and given that right next to them is a path with way less air resistance, and there being barely any pressure, these will barely flow any air, and as such, will cool very little. They are also not made for the the same flow in coolant, which might be fine. I fell for the same cheapness trap for another project, getting air through these requires a significant pressure.
Good call on the PP rings though, the bare aluminium of the radiators very much does not like stainless steel, and will make cauliflowers very quickly in salty wet conditions.
I wondered about the fin density. I think it'll be fine considering the cooling system is pretty dramatically oversized for my needs. It's not a hard swap if I'm wrong!
Forklifts don't operate at 1000V.
Does anyone else have a feeling that radiator setup is going to be reworked before all is said and done? I really can't wait for this project to be finished, it's so cool.
This guy is my favorite youtube notification 😎 greetings from Slovakia
He’s building a super car. Can’t wait to see your super car transform into a Delorean to travel through time
You can make the fans run two speeds if you use a few relais to switch them in series for low speed( each fan basicly gets 6 volts)and paralel for hi speed. Did this on my Citroën cx and it works great.
My new favourite channel! I'm all for EV conversions and I love how this one is coming together. Thanks for sharing the process and your learning experiences!
“Spring Blossom Green” Corelle plates circa 1972! I still use my grandmothers set. Been eating off the same plates for 30 years 😂
It’s entertaining to see someone have a solution for every problem.
I LOVE your energy! You are quickly becoming one of my Favorite UA-camrs.
I’m no expert welder but the one thing I do know about Tig is that it must be clean. Clean the mill scale then clean everything with acetone and I do mean everything from your filler rod to your metal. Dedicate something to only grinding your tungsten wether its a grinding disc, diamond wheel, grinding stone does not matter just dedicate it only to your tungsten grinding to avoid contamination. Lastly make sure you have pre gas on and post gas on to avoid the weld turning to crap. These few tips have greatly improved my tig welding like I said I am no expert but these definitely helped.
This man is a absolute legend
You and TomSka are the world's only youtubers who make ads that are too entertaining to skip
I'm so excited to see another Aging wheels video, especially those on building a DIY 900HP Escape EV. 😁
You could also do a hydro boost off of your electro hydraulic power steering.
For the battery box connectors, maybe look into what freightliner is using on their elecric semis
Is it sad that when I get a notification of a new video from this channel it makes my day?
I did electrohydraulic power steering in a CRX and measured current draw. I don't remember the exact numbers, but the pump idling was about the same as one headlight, while it topped out at full lock, that is full pump speed and full pressure at surprisingly low 30 or 40 A at 12V.
Should have used a trans cooler instead of the heater cores. Made to fit, and plenty of cooling.
The reasons that didn't immediately pop into my head is because the trans cooler for the Escape is integrated into the radiator. I didn't even think to look at trans coolers for other vehicles
Thanks for another fun look at the Escape EV conversion. Turning on the ignition, that doesn't ignite because it's not.
Don’t feel bad about your outdated kitchen! I love it!
Really enjoying your EV conversion project and very jealous that I don't have the time and resources to pursue my own. Regarding your interconnect question I think you just need to work your problem backwards. Start by looking at what kind of wire or combination of wire you need to run your 2000amps between components and from there you should be able to find connectors that can accommodate your wiring harness and as a result you should have your interconnect that can accommodate 2000 amps. If you want my opinion about your 2000 amp requirement; I'm not sure if its needed thinking about when I charge my EV. My Kona EV draws about 100amps while charging at a DC fast charger and a Porsche Taycan consumes 400-500amps (I'm running the numbers from memory, so please double check) while charging and I believe to accommodate that amount of current the cable between the charger and car is liquid cooled to prevent the cable from becoming to hot. Anyways my point is I think maybe you can get away with maybe using two connectors of the coda style and I don't think you need to worry about the 2000 amp draw, sure you may hit 2000amps, but I don't think you'll draw 2000amps consistently enough and/or long enough to warrant anything much beefier then two of those coda connectors (perhaps even one).
This is one of my favorite projects you’ve done thus far. Also as usual, your sponsor spots are always hilarious.. hope that jalapeño didn’t greet you on its way out haha. I LOVE spicy food, so that’s a huge plus for factor haha.
Better than anything on TV anywhere!
I'm sure cable/zip ties would have held those heat exchangers perfectly well.
I would think something like a pair of half width radiators side by side would be easiest to deal with. Dunno if they're still around, but 90s civic all aluminum "race" radiators off ebay were great for this sort of thing, compact, nice thick core, all welded construction, easy to alter, good for several hundred hp in a light combustion powered car and dirt cheap.
Hey man, good to see you again. Your videos just don't ever seem to be long enough. Take it easy.
Your kitchen from the '70s has almost exactly the same cabinets and tiling as my kitchen from the '70s!
I love this project on such a unloved type of vehicle and it's going to be a ripper
You're going to want to think about the continuous vs. peak power for the connectors, and wires and fuses too for that matter. It's going to be an unnecessary battle of absolutely massive cables and unobtanium connectors to specify your peak power as your continous power.
I love how overcomplicated you made your cooling system. For reference next time, that radiator has a built in automatic transmission cooler. Its a heat exchanger that is in the water tank of the radiator. You could have just plumbed the second loop into that.
That only works if the two fluids are at similar temperatures. Otherwise your low temperature fluid will become a heat sink for your high temperature fluid.
@@jamesashe in the case of this EV your battery temperatures and controller temperatures and such are all the same relatively low temperature. Which actually means it's going to be very inefficient because you want the larger temperature difference between the ambient air and the coolant.
That said, the capacity of this cooler is so much larger than what he needs that it doesn't matter and you will be near ambient temperature on the output anyway.
I really hope you put four beadlock Forgestar, Welds, or RC Component wheels and drag radials on all four corners just to confuse anyone that sees an Escape on beadlocks and DRs until it launches.
"it's not, so they won't" love it
I love this project! I dream of doing an ev conversion but getting the parts or a destroyed car is extremely pricey... So I'll just have to sit back and enjoy your project. 🙂
Im noticing a worrying theme of you pointing out issues and then reassuring yourself that they are not. Im sure these won't be issues though... :P (P.s. I'm so excited for this project!)
I like how I closed my eyes every time you began to weld because I'm currently learning how to weld in my collision repair shop and eye safety is fresh in my mind
A good welder knows when they are on fire, but a great welder knows how long they can weld while on fire.
Great video as always, glad to see the e-scape coming along!
Just as a tip when cutting templates to check sizing I like to put cardboard in my laser, it makes dimension checking a lot cheaper than wood pieces!
Loving this project, keep it up :)
I just realized. That frunk could be amazing
"Hang on, that pump's not secured. It's just going to--... yep." :)
It's difficult to find a connector that supports such high amps, I recommend you to use a big contactor and standard bolt connections, if you are worried for the waterproof factor, you can make water shields underneath the engine bay and use dielectric grease in the connections.
I'm loving this project!
14:38 that enthusiasm about a damaged product is why I love this channel.
@0.23 thank you for the warning, that is so appreciated you dont even know :)
For the giggles, please track day this car or bring it to the drag strip
Anyone else start humming "Paint it Black" when he said, "paint it black"? Just me? Hmm.
I love the Chipboard Assisted Design
Can't wait to see this on the road.
Great project! Might benefit from some more Cardboard Aided Design, Binky style.
High voltage 1000amp connectors: Hubbell MCC1
Anderson SB350 are only 300amp rating but maybe you can use 7 of them in parallel (probably more dangerous because of cascading failures)
7 connectors in parallel is easily the funniest thing I’ve read all day. Make the install look like starting up a fighter jet clicking over all the handles.
@@SpAm-AcCoUnT I’m not sure where he’s going to get a 2000amp contactor either.
@@Mitch3D the common TE LEV200 series contactor is rated for 500Amp continuous and can handle 1000Amp peak, so it is possible with only two contactors
When connectors are rated there for a constant rating. just take a look at a Tesla wire harness and notice that they don't have connectors in parallel either. I would start by evaluating the way your harness of a typical Model X. In short it always comes down to heat. If a connector is rated for 350 amp (constant) then that's the average amp going through it to keep it in a safe temperature zone, aka not melt. You can have low and high variations in current (which is what happens in the real world) so note it can still take higher amperage.
This is scratching my Project Binky itch in the meantime as we wait for a new video, lovely project!
That things got more radiators than my house!
Hey, Robert, will you be talking about the legal side of EV conversion? I know that hugely depends on the country and state but I’d still love to hear your story out. (Mostly because I like listening to you.)
I like watching Car Man do his Metal Magics.
Well, I can say that I am just as happy to watch you build this as I was watching Binky being built!
I'm wondering - strangely wondering - if that pump was designed for a full 12 volts of power all the time its original vehicle was running... and perhaps those three CAN wires somehow regulated the power to the pump... What you think?
Likely. Otherwise you'll get either too much assistance at speed where you don't need it, or not enough when parking.
I expect the can lines are purely for diagnostics
Is that a Ryobi 1+ pocket sized bandsaw?
Looks like it could be really handy, but they don't seem to be available in Europe 😞
(And Factor don't deliver here either, but I watched your ad for the entertainment value anyway!)
Such a cute baby hand held band saw you have.
Come a bit of a ways from fiddling with a Trabant engine while standing in a hole in the ground, love to see it!
Wow, my two favorite car channels are both trying to jerry rig a Volvo S40 electric power steering module!
You may want to look into a full sized mennekes disconnect plug. They’re more for AC high amperage situations, but the idea behind them is that you have to essentially trip a disconnect switch before you can unplug it, to prevent a 1000A arc from turning everything within a few feet into plasma.
Not sure they make exactly what you’re looking for, but you could also do a few lower rated plugs in parallel if it’s cheaper
i'm so freaking psyched to see possibly the fastest ford explorer ever. it's like a sleeper ninja suv!
2:47 as a canadian poet once said: "grinder and paint make me the welder i aint"
Back in the most horrible time in my life, when I was in high school, I had an old Chevy station wagon that originally had a 350 diesel in it. When I got it, someone had put a gas engine in it, but the car still had the hydraulic power brakes. That would have made an EV conversion pretty easy, but I can't imagine why anyone would do an EV conversion on a 1985 Caprice wagon.
EDIT: Connectors - you might see if you can get a battery connector for an electric forklift. The really big ones do 2,000 amps or more.
My cat likes your channel.
My finger was hovering over the skip, right as you said "don't you dare skip this ad" so instead I left this post during the ad 😂
You're like the mad scientist guy that lives next door.
Well done lad.