Running Mark III Pyrolysis Reactor For the Last Time
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If you build a new reactor, with thick walls you MUST *seriously* think about overpressure release features. When something goes really wrong inside this oil barrel or whatnot, the lid flies off with a loud bang. When something goes really wrong inside a thick walled vessel, it will turn into a giant frag grenade, and you into a Jackson Pollock painting. This drum has been trying to warn you, heed its advice, put something like a burst disc onto your propane tank reactor!
I think it might be a good idea to add a pressure gauge to the next model, so you can monitor the pressure and switch off a magnetron or two if it gets too high.
I think if you want to keep the pressures low you need to use larger output piping, larger pipe more = gas flow = less resistance for the gas escaping = less pressure
We gotta get this man some funds
nice video jab, you should maybe get a emergency pressure release valve so there is absolutely zero chance of any explotion
Great idea, though the pressure release valve would have to be huge (bigger than the lid of the barrel) to overcome all the pressure.
@@naturejab not true. Just a small hole will instantly drop the pressure under detonation range. Get a pressure release valve. It’ll keep you out of jail when this blows and you kill a neighbor.
Puff lid.
@@smellycat249 But the hole plumbing system is virtually a giant hole already in there, but that was not enough
As well as the big hole for the shaft that was leaking. Of course, for the propane tank I will definently have one, and perhaps a rupture disk too, but for this barrel, not much could be done.
@@naturejab for a emergency blow off maybe try making a large ring flange and put a piece of stainless steel foil in it so if it over pressures it will just rupture the thin foil instead of making it a bomb
Dude don't give up, you're going to learn way more from your mistakes than you ever will from your wins. Keep it up. You are an inspiration to alot of us.
A 100lb propane tank is $300. The flanged lid you’ll have to weld on is probably another $300. Then for agitation, make it rock back and forth, then there’s no leak points. Don’t give up.
I was just thinking about you and your experiments today, as well as my own. I had an idea, and I think you're a guy who might possibly be able to pull it off or at least would enjoy the process. My idea is related to "Hot Bulb" ignition engines from a time gone by you may have seen in my video about plastic into energy: Basically turning a small (5-8hp) modern 4 stroke engine into a hot bulb ignition system engine capable of running on any fuel including used motor oil, diesel, vegetable oil, and plastic derived fuel. It would be quite simple to do, you just need to fashion a hot bulb that has pump driven sprayer nozzle for injecting fuel. A blowtorch could be used for preheating the chamber, and a heavier flywheel to compensate for the lower engine rpms. Anyway, just an idea and I hope to hear from you, it would make great video material and I think it would be possible for sure with your skill in fabrication and experimentation.
Very clever idea there, and this is something I have been looking into as well, since I Recently got a 4 stroke diesel engine which even with regular diesel is almost impossible to start by hand.
Instead of using oil barrels , use air compressor tanks. (the pressure inside the oil barrel gets too high because of pyrolysis process and oil barrels are not manufactured to handle high pressure of that range.
The propane tank is smart. You're doing a great job.
Since the agitation seems to increase the pressure, I would suggest agitation from the get-go. As soon as the Magnatrons are running, start agitation so there isnt a SUDDEN increase in pressure, but hopefully a more gradual climb. Personally, I would use a torquey electric motor to turn the agitator while the reactor is runnning. And I second the Pressure gauge idea from one of the other commentors.
Every failure is one more step closer to understanding success.
man you're getting good... a used 100lb propane tank is perfect and you will need a torch... you can find one at a pawn shop fairly inexpensive. you can make flanges fairly easily if you full bevel and weld xh pipe to plate steel. looks like great upgraded safety features ( i'm the exact same when messing with 220v1, 220v3 to 440 ). with that tank you should be able to transfer everything over pretty much. keep the updates and vids coming.
It's amazing Just watching this this become more perfect each time.
A good retort option to consider would be a large air compressor tank.
I see them on my local classifieds sometimes going for free because the compressor motor no longer works.
Also, it might work well with a semi trucks gas tank, although it’s aluminum it may be harder to work with for welding reasons.
It's probably better just to not agitate it. I think shaking it and tilting it to move the plastic around might be safer
You should definitely get a rupture disk on any of your designs for everyones safety.
I still think you had oxygen in it. There would have been air pockets inside of the jumble of plastic that would have continued to "hang out" in there, even with purging. This is another good reason to draw a vacuum (which of course a standard 55 gallon drum of 18 guage steel will not withstand).
Keep going dude. Those propane / butane tanks are virtually indestructible. Mine has survived a major redesign and it’s still going 👍
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1st I’m worried about the green house venting flammable gas you need a big fan so you don’t blow yourself up!
2nd a home propane tank about 80-100 gallons would be great and you can usually get them from a gas supplier free or really cheap because they go out of inspection day and can’t be used anymore or possibly one with some damage or a hole and you can weld it up or use it to put a magnetron over or something.
3rd in your electronics box you may run into trouble with the transformers being so close they could cause magnetic interference such as saturation or possibly eddy currents just something to keep in mind. Otherwise a beautiful power box!
This really sucks about the setback however nothing worth doing is ever easy so please please don’t give up you can do this I know you can I’ve been watching from the beginning and you definitely have the skills!!
If you read this message thank you and I hope it helps.
Ben
Thanks so much Ben! Amazing suggestions, and Im glad to have you apart of the journey :)
Sei Como isso acontece quase perdi as duas mãos e as vistas com explosões assim e já sei aonde está o erro nesse projeto ,as dimensões estão inferiores e está criando muita pressão interna mas não desista o processo e assim mesmo você vai aprendendo com cada erro siga em frente gosto do seu projeto vai dar certo
¡sí! ¡gracias!
good to see your safe man keep it up
Stay safe. I think the design is scalable. I was thinking that your plumbing system was too small when I was watching the video at first. Again, stay safe. The propane tank idea is great. Good pressure and It is going to look funny with 4 magnetron haha
I suffer with you dude.
What you describe is like a sudden breakdown of multiple bonded carbons simultaneously. The amount of stuff in your barrel plus the high amount of energy you were pumping in formed such an overpressure that it had to find the weakest point at least.
I myself have found an easy conclusion for me after my barrel based woodgasser exploded:
Build a smaller one. If it's not delivering enough power, build another one and add it to the system in parallel. Maybe this helps you too.
Keep goin my boi u real life black Rick and Morty we need young engineers like u just b safe tho 💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿💯💯
loving your enthusiasm and drive, just throwing out ideas here, a second hand industrial air compressor tank could be picked up pretty cheap, nice thick walls will be easier to weld to, and if the auger was replaced with just blades to mix rather than pushing to one end might do better to chop up the plastic, perhaps a way of bearings on both ends to support a center shaft. and any spike in pressure could be mitigated by running the auger or mixing paddles from before the magnetrons are turned on. maybe with a slow geared worm drive ac motor. keep it up man! you awesome!
Great suggestions!
@@naturejab Another idea for agitation would be something like a magnetic stir bar used in chemistry just an idea
pressure release valves, maybe?
- Never give up... good stuff stay safe tho, cheers brother.
I don't understand the terms and anything here but I like watching them
hey use a magnet inside the drum mounted to the agitator and another on the outside of the drum to pull it around without having to seal a shaft through it. also maybe a big diameter pipe waterlock that will blow out the water instead of blowing the end of the drum off
Great suggestion, but this would only work if the material of the rest of the reactor was non ferrous, however it is, so the magnet would just stick to the reactor.
I dont know if this has been said before but could a large domestic boiler work? I mean it could work well under high preassure and hold quite a bit!
Yes it could work, just would need a flange system
Maybe use an aluminum keg rather than a propane tank, they are pressure rated and a bit larger than a propane tank
true,but I do not weld aluminum, only steel
Buddy u need pressure relief valves on that reactor safety first.
Loads of people are telling you not to give up. Well, getting 7.6k subscribers is a great feat but that's no where near pay the bills territory, nether is the $135 a month in patron bucks. I'd say don't quit your day job, but you already have, so I would advise you to get one. You're passionate and that is key but a man has got to eat and that takes money.
Great point, I'll have to make a decision to go back as a welding instructor or not once the school year starts, which is pretty soon.
How about driving the agitator all the time...?
Its not necessary
I suspect you're getting sparks on the agitator. All those rough edges can produce sparks. Think about a metal bowl or spoon in the microwave. No problem. But a fork? You get arcing across the tines of the fork. A rough cut piece of metal has jagged edges like a fork. Whether there is oxygen in the chamber... When pressure canning, you vent the pressure cooker for a long-ass time---7 minutes according to the All American manual. With the large size and complex shape of your reactor, it's likely that your purge was inadequate and there was some oxygen in there. Or your feed stock has oxygen. It definitely wasn't a "pressure explosion". The feed stock was already gas. There was no liquid-gas phase change which is the usual cause of pressure explosions in boilers. Anyway, I see you've moved on. I'm late to the party but it's great content.
You ever try storing that fuel you create?
Yea, for now I just store it in flasks
Hey man. I was in contact with a lot of chemical companies and for this to be save you need to have at least 1 mm of steal!
You can get away with less but they were very specific in telling me not to go bellow that threshold.
Would be a shame if you had to throw away the idea now that you already got so far.
Also from working with gloves boxes in the lab quite a lot i can tell you that you still had a shit tone of oxygen in there. Your purge protocol is not adapted to the system. You should consider purging with CO2 which you can generate with ruble and some acid you can literally buy everywhere for example HCl. Also purging has to be done in cycles to actually work. 5 cycles might be enough for your system.
mfg hazelChem
Thanks for the tips Hazel! Co2 is a great suggestion too. I'll be the next one out of a propane tank.
Do you achieve an energy net gain ?! More energy out, than you put in ?!
No, but if run off renewables, this is a great form of waste management
@@naturejab : "Waste stream diversion and repurposing": Pre-apologies for the jumbled Brain-dump.
Yes, you gain useful output/products from this process while reducing the environmental damage caused by traditional disposal methods.
It is a Noble cause.
But how much make-up energy do you have to source from elsewhere or from "Dirty" energy ? Is it even close to the value of the output ?
"Green Energy" as an environmentally friendly source :
Is extant green energy already committed to other uses ?!
If it is, You will need to factor in building/incorporating Green Energy generation into your system (your own solar/ wind/thermal/etc.) to supply your outside energy needs.
A Hybrid system.
Grid power is already stressed and stretched thin. Many causes can disrupt supply. Usually during critical moments - See "Murphy's Law".
Any solution must be Commercially viable (can they make money from it ?).
What would their ROI (Return on Investment) be ?!
Environmental reasons alone will not convince Commercial companies to adopt the technology. They are motivated by profit.
For the technology to be useful, and sustained, it will have to be done on a Commercial/Industrial scale.
Governmental programs of this sort are notoriously known for being half-hearted and fading away quickly due to neglect and loss of interest.
Insert $$$, and now you people's interest (the proverbial "dangling carrot")
Many great concepts have come and gone before you because they did not answer the "Yeah, But's".... . Answer the "Yeah, But's", and your system will be adopted for general use.
Anticipate and answer/solve the objections/problems the Naysayers will inevitably bring up, and you will have a winning program/project.
This also applies to anything else you will face in life.
Have answers and solutions.
That is what puts you out front.
There are plenty of people that point out/present problems..... But few that supply answers.
A huge, long-winded Brain dump here.... But you are an inspirational, forward-thinking kid. I want to give the tools you will need to take your ideas forward.
Learn, learn, learn !! Always be learning and studying. People to things.
Information is good !!
What about getting two drums inside each other use a type of flexible temp resistant fabric inbetween the gaps so when it expanded a and contracts it hits the flexible fabric and not the other drum would that not give you more stability and higher pressure resistant ?
the fbi not gonna like this one stay safe bro