1980-81 - friend and I circumnavigated the Eastern US in a 19' square-stern grumman with a 4.5 hp Evinrude. Fully loaded - 1100#+ - traveled at about 8 knots. Excellent trip - sturdy vessel - very seaworthy even in Gulf of Mexico and Atlantic Ocean - - the Canadian Historical Canals (Rideau & Trent-Severn) best part of trip. We started in Greenville, MS, and ended there. If I were to travel alone I would like the 17' like yours.
That is so cool. How long did it take? Did you do it all at once, or in steps? I have more fun in the canoe, than I do the fishing boat. Not as fast. But closer to nature.
@@Ralphcanoeingadventures total trip - - about 5 1/2 months, but - - when we got to Boston, we were behind schedule (weather) and decided to stay there a year and leave again next Spring - - to have better time in Canada
@@jazrobean1 Oh yes. Boundary Waters is the best place for canoeing. I built a woodstrip to just take up there. The waters around Iowa, are not worthy of it.
Nice. I've got a 19 foot square stern touring canoe by Grumman. I've only used an electric motor on it and that makes it cruise. I'm not close by the canoe to see the horsepower allowed but I believe its 7.5 for my canoe. I know I can haul 1125 lbs. in it with comfort. Great products. I bought mine in high school. Spent almost half my summer lifeguarding salary on it. It was used, but in great shape.. That was in the late 70's and I still have that canoe today. I no longer run it on a trailer and just keep it on the pond where the mountain house is.
That is nice to hear. Mine is a 17 foot. Rated for Max of 5HP. Yes, yours is probably higher. I bought mine in 1977 new. And they are a great canoe. Never had a leak or problem with it! I would love to be a dealer of them. I could sell a ton of them. Just by my experiences with them. Thanks for the info.
That's what I grew up paddling my dad bought it new in the 50s and handed it down those things cut water like a knife don't they I never knew how good I had it until paddling a fiberglass walmart canoe at summer camp felt like a log
@@nedflanders190 I want to moore canoes at lakes in upstate Pa and use them whenever I want through the summer. In the fall I'll fish the lake and then take it back to the mountain house. My friends will be able to use the canoes too. I'll need four of them. I'll paddle these lakes
Did the same thing years ago with a 4hp Evinrude 2 stroke on a 17 ft Ouchita square stern. Lots quieter, but still preferred an electric trolling motor for most of my fishing adventures.
I have the same canoe with a 4.5 HP motor. Grumman canoes are so well built. After almost 40 years of use, it doesn't leak a drop from any seam or rivet. I am now re-rigging it to accept a Minn Kota trolling motor usually used as a bow mount on a Whaler Montauk. Plenty of thrust and I can use it on lakes where gas motors are not allowed. Only significant mod is I have to make a horizontal mounting surface for this motor since it is the type that you extend out and it drops vertically and locks in place. This is going to be really nice for trolling for landlocks, rainbows and browns in The Finger Lakes.
Thank you. Mine will 12.5mph. And you are right. People are amazed at how fast the canoe will go. I get more comments about it than my big boat. And I have a lot more fun in the canoe. You can't hurt it!!
@@Ralphcanoeingadventures good cheap fun! I got some generic stabilizer fins which bolt to the lower unit, added about 5mph and pushes the bow down so you dont need to load up with any counterweight. Aslo made the boat feel more stable at speed. I recommend, they are like $40 on amazon
@Carver Banjos I might think about it. It am kinda stuck with Ole school stuff. I am going to do a video this spring about the water balist using water pump and holding tank. But I'll think about your idea. Thanks!
@@Ralphcanoeingadventures when youre not moving, the fins do nothing. They are like wings and only work when the water is moving over them. Cheers, looking forward to your spring video, water ballast tank sounds like an awesome idea
I have the same thing. My dad had a canoe of similar type but in glass fibre.. I had a 3,5hp outboard. So I made a wooden bracket for the outboard and put it on the canoe. It worked verry well.
That is great! I have had this outfit for over 50 years. I have so much fun in it. I would rather take the canoe out more than my large fishing boat. It was good to hear from you. Take care.
I had a '73 4 horse Johnson on a 17' square stern Grumman until a tree fell on it a few years ago. I could go 9mph on a lake according my GPS but I didn't ballast the front so I was probably pushing more water with my deeper stern. Great times... Thanks for the memories.
It is always nice to hear about other people's stories about doing this kind of stuff. I get more comments around the boat landings, that they had never seen a motor on a canoe. I think it is funny! You said a tree fell on you canoe? It must have been big a pritty big one. Its hard to hurt a Grumman canoe!!!
Just to add. I bought a large fishing boat with the works. A 60ph motor. It goes way too fast for me. About 40mph. I find I only go about 25 with it. I can't wait for the waters to get too low for the big boat. I miss the canoe and going places noone else can. I even went under an inerstate through a large culvert last year. THAT WAS FUN!!!!
I have a 5hp on a 15 'old town discovery sport. I need weight in the front when I open it up. Cheap way to get out on the water. I can still navigate the shallows too. Motor up and paddle in.
That is what I like to do. Go up creeks and places that only a kayak or canoe can go. You see very interesting things when you go slow. I see jet boats fly by. They can't even see a leaf in the water. So sad!. Thanks for sharing. Good paddling....
I don;t know if you are asking me about the speed, or someone else. But my 4hp will go about 12 mph. But I have to have the weight of a person in front.
I use a 1963 Lund canoe, 17 footer, with a 1976 2hp Evinrude side mounted on a homemade bracket. It hardly leans at all, and will push two people with no problem. My favourite pass time:)
Great! I had a 2HP Johnson for 47 years. It worked as you said. But mine is a square stern. So it was on the back. I went to a 5Hp 4 cycle now. Mainly because I idle around alot. So it was a better choice. I have more fun in the canoe than I do in the big boat. And gas is alot cheaper!!
47 years! Wow! I would’ve preferred a square stern when I started but enjoy what I have very much. Do you have any suggestions on regular upkeep on such a motor? Changing the gear lube, seafoam in the gas, and flushing out the holes here and there has kept me going so far. Thanks for the reply.
@@cody5548 Sounds like you are doing every thing right. Might check you water impellor every 2 or 3 years. The pump don't spray out so you can see the water. I had to hold my hand in front of the holes to make sure it was getting water. seafoam is a big plus for your carb. Good luck.
Hey Mr. Mann just wanted to say that I've watched your set of canoe videos many times while waiting to take out my own canoe. It was very useful to see an example of a solid canoe and motor combination in the waves and on calm waters. I just uploaded a video on my channel of my 15' fiberglass canoe cruising. Let me know what you think! I have a 4HP Evinrude from 1973 that worked well but I just bought a 1981 Johnson 7.5 HP. I didn't use a GPS or speedometer. I really like the old aluminum canoes and yours is awesome. Good luck fishing!
A square stern canoe is an excellent choice for many purposes. Want to just go in a canoe with paddles, fine leave the motor at home. OR... add an electric trolling motor to the back.. OR.. a small outboard motor. Bought my very nice square stern off Craigs List for $225.00 Be advised, as soon as you add power, most states will require license numbers on the boat. Check out your state laws. In Texas where I live a "motor boat" must have a title. Had to jump through several hoops to get an old canoe titled. Finally worked though and now I have a most excellent multi-purpose boat. Modified the rather nice old 16 ft. canoe with a 3.5 hp gas outboard, better seats, and a trailer, for easy handling.
Yes a boat registered in Iowa is required over 14 feet. And I have mine on a trailer also. Being 71. I can't lift it on top of the car anymore. There are pictures of my outfit on some of my other videos.
@@Ralphcanoeingadventures When a Jon boat isn’t planing the transom is submerged causing lots of drag, a 16 foot canoe has a longer water line length which gives it a higher displacement speed, and then of course the sleekness of a canoe .. I’ll give up some stability for speed any day ..
@@CapnSchep My canoe is a square stern. But its only about 10 inches. I took it to Boundary Waters one year. Didn't use a motor. We could tell the drag that time! It wasn't much. But paddleing all day. It sure showed.
@@Ralphcanoeingadventures But it probably motors better than a double ender because the wider stern can handle more weight without submerging the stern as much .. I have a 16’ double ended canoe I bought that someone modified the stern for an outboard motor, the bottom 2/3s is still pointed .. I run a 4 1/2hp Evinrude that weighs 50 lbs so I have to shift my weight forward ( I weigh 160lbs ) or it won’t completely plane out .. I’m thinking about adding a hydrofoil fin to the motor .. She’ll move on out to just over 12 mph, fast enough for me but it amazes me how quick she runs at 1/3 throttle, I love it ...!! If it ever breaks down I’ll tilt the engine out of the water and paddle it backwards from the bow lol ...!!
I like it. I can run the motor to get up river, then I can paddle back down. Yesterday, I used the motor to get 3 miles up a creek. Then I paddled back down. It took 4 hours but very fun! I posted a couple pictures on my you tube site.
You can't beat a Grumman. They cost more. But last forever!. I have had mine for 41 years, and never a problem. Just replaced the wood at the motor mount part. That is all I have done to it. Thanks for sharing.
You have to check it out. I use the GPS on my fish locator. I think you can use your phone. I bet on that 14' canoe. It should go pretty fast. Weight in the front really helps.
I also have a 17 ft aluminum scanoe and i went from a 69 horse and a half johnson to a 64 3hp evinrude lightwin 2 stroke.... I tried a hp air cooled kohler and a 4 stroke merc but I think the 3hp evinrude is the best. Wish I had a hand throttle but the "weedless" offset prop angle is perfect for thrusting the ass end up allowing better plane . I dont need to add ballast to run solo as long as I have a little bit of gear I can push all the way to the front . With a passenger i just load gear in middle and go ---- nice set up
That sounds like a nice setup. My prop shoots straight back. I can see how a weedless setup would have its advantages. I have never had that kind before. I had a 2hp johnson engine. It also pushed straight back. Thanks for your input.
Hi. Can I ask what type of motor mount are you planning to use? I’m thinking about doing the same for my double ender. Maybe using steel channel across the gunnels would be better thank aluminum. Then have a mounting plate welded on the end. Any help is so appreciated. Mahalo from Hawaii
I had a 2 hp Johnson motor on this for over 40 years. I up graded to a 4 horse Merc a couple of years ago. Difference between night and day. I just bought a large fishing boat. But still get out in the canoe 3 or 4 times a week. I like exploring creeks and hard to get places. The big boat won't get anywhere close as the canoe. Thanks for subscribing. I am running out of things to post. Unless I buy a drone .
I have the poles, But they are mostly for looks. I am not that great of a fishermen. I don't catch much. I just like to get out on the water and explore the creeks and remote places. Sorry I can't help you more. I did buy a large fishing boat, but it won't go where this can go. I'll get the canoe back out when the river gets low. Be safe out there!!
No problem. Don't so much need help as merely suggesting topics for you. My pleasure with the canoe is accessing hard to reach places too. Another great aspect is that I can often launch it on remote waters that do not offer boat ramps and such. No need for facilities, just a body of water and some quiet.
Mine is on a trailer. I lanch it like a regular boat. I have a bad shoulder, so this works best for me. I think I wore out my shoulder from paddling so much in the Boundary Waters. But yes, getting in hard to reach places is so much fun. I like seeing all the tracks along the shore. Its fun seeing all the things that people miss seeing.
it seems faster riding in a small boat,,, i built a hydroplane ..it was around 8 ft,,, had a 9.8 Mercury it did around 25 and i was hauling ass ,,,i was in a bayou the curves i rode to the inside only to skip way out ,,the motor helped me steer it in the power turns gunning the motor till it caught
I know about being in a smaller water craft. I also have a big fishing boat with a 75HP Merc. on the back. That thing flies! It does 40MPH. But I still like the canoe. You are closer to nature in that thing.
@Tdog9915 I have sand bags in front. They equal about #135. Now I use a water bladder. I have a video how I set it up. The sand bags are too much to work with.
I’ve got an Old Town 174 square back. What do you think would be the biggest outboard I could put on it? I’m over 200 lbs and most of my passengers would be around 225lbs. I’m looking at the Tohatsu 9.8 but I don’t want to overpower it. Your thoughts would be appreciated.
To me, a 9.9 is kinda large for the outfit. I have a 5hp and it is all I need. It goes 12mph. And that is fast in a canoe. I have watch videos with larger motors. And they get squirrelly at higher speeds. If you are carrying your family. I would go with a 5 or even a 3.5hp. The speed is there to get around. But still stay safe. (this is what I think.) but it is up to you. Mine is a 17' square stern. And a 5hp works very well. It gets me into trouble. But can also get me out of trouble just as fast. Check out the video where I almost went over a dam. Good luck. Let me know what you decide. Also--- In a canoe, weight in cargo is not that much of an issue for going through the water.
@@Ralphcanoeingadventures I agree it is probably too much. I’m just curious if it would work. Tohatsu makes a 9.8hp that weighs 80lbs. It’s a little smaller than the 9.9 that weight 100lbs. We had a square stern when I was a kid and I remember putting a motor that was too powerful on it and it didn’t work. It would spray water up the sides and into the air. I wish I could find someone that has tried one that size. It would be a nice motor to have because I could also use it on my sailboat dinghy. I’m leaning towards the 6hp though.
@@john-robertlyons8785 A 6hp would be nice. A good size. I had to make a splash shield on the back of mine. Water would hit the lower unit and come in the back of the boat. This happens at full speed.
I wish it was, but I checked it with my handheld GPS. Going down river it was over 14 mph, but going up stream, it was about 9. So I averaged the times. And it came to 11.5. I did run it in still waters a few times and it came to 11.4. A canoe isn't made to plain. So it is slower than a jon boat. But a canoe goes just as fast with a lot of weight or just enough weight to way down the front. But thanks for your comment. Stay safe out there!
I'll remember the 150 pounds of sandbags in the front. The first time that I took my canoe with motor out on the river the front say way up in the air. The canoe tipped me out with a gust of wind.
Thats good. Remember that a canoe is meant to be level in the water. They are not meant to plain on the water. They cut through it. I also found that the weight in the front actually makes the canoe go faster. Glad I could help.
@@dreamdiction I weight 175. But when you are going faster, you want to keep the front as low as you can. It works very well in my case. As long as you keep the bottom on the water at full surface. It is very stable.
I have the same canoe but an old 2 stroke 4hp Johnson Seahorse. My boat doesn't go anywhere near this fast. HP ratings must be a lot different on these modern 4 strokes... I'm lucky if I see 7mph on the old seahorse wide open.
Do you put weight in the bow? I add 140#s of sand bags. That keeps the bow down to cut the water. My 4HP was stolen a fw years ago. I replaced it with a 5HP. But, the speed remained the same. 12.5MPH is the best I can get. I have played with prop pitch, with no changes. Let me know how you come out with some weight in the front.
I use sand bags in front. It keeps the canoe level in the water at slower speeds. It takes the place of someone in front. In back I can control the motor. Shifting and steering. But thanks
No. I have a piece of fiberglass mounted on the back of the canoe. But, that is for stopping the water off the lower unit from splashing into the back of a canoe. At higher speeds, it will roll in the back. I put about 140#s of sand bags in the front to keep it level. Works great. A canoe isn't meant to plane.
The video you are watching. I was standing up. As all canoes. You have to stay on the middle. But this canoe is pritty stable. I have had this outfit for over 40 years. And only flipped it twice. Just think as you are moving around and it is fine.
As far as I am concerned, it will be. But the good thing is. You can get out of trouble as fast as you got in it. You don't have to run it wide open. Most of the time. I am only going half to 3/4 on the throttle.
In that area, it was running about 5mph. Rest of the river was about 2mph. That area you see is where there was a rock dam just under the water. Most of the time I can make it over. But in this year. The river was very low.
With my canoe, I have done that. The Grumman canoe is very well built. I have even taken the center swart out while on the water. With the motor pushing the canoe. There is a little flex in the sides. But nothing to worry about. More visual that structural. Hope this helps.
Mr. Mann. I just got me a 17 ft double ender Grumman. Got the G specifically to add an outboard motor. We usually go 2 person (weight in the front accounted for in lieu for sand bags) We go out to the bay for some shallow water fishing. Do you prefer the 2hp or 4hp better with the performance and overall satisfaction on how it adapts to your canoe? Hope you can share your experience. Thanks
I love the 5 hp. The 4 hp was stolen A few years ago. Weight is a thing to remember. Mounting a motor on the side. Go with 2hp. If on the back, go 4 or 5hp.
Hi, I have the exact same Grumman. I want to put a small outboard motor to it. How did you mount your motor? I was thinking of using steel square channel instead of aluminum. Mount it secured to the gunnels with the bar going across the top. Any help is kindly appreciated. Aloha from Hawaii
great vid is the 17 ft. Grumman a preference for just you? history of your canoe? would like a better idea of your entire set up have a pristine 3 hp johnson seahorse from 61 ...original paint, original decals, prop, non rusted tank, weedless... and considering canoe for similar set up fuel consumption ? total weight ...you, motor, boat, gear 150lbs of sand now I know why the other vids with large dogs foward is common :0 consider a hydrofoil add to motor similar to another video? trailer set-up? Thanks. . . .
I bought the canoe in 1977 new. I purchased a 2hp Johnson motor with it (new). I have ran the 2hp until this year. when I bought the 4ph Merc. The 2 hp ran about 8 mph. This runs at 11.5mph. But I always put #150 of sand bags in the front. The lower you keep the front end, the better it goes. As you know, canoes are NOT meant to plain. I have never had trouble with the canoe. I even ran over a steel fence post under the water and it hardly put a scratch in it! As they say in the advertizment, "it will last you a live time". And mine has. I have had it for 39 years and still enjoy going out in it. I use it for fishing and exploring. It gets where most people wouldn't go. But that is just me. I like to get in the back waters. I also have a kayak, which I also use alot. I took the canoe to Boundary Waters once. That I will NEVE do again. It was heavy and with the square stern, it was like dragging an anchor. I've been up there every year for over 12 years. But always took a double pointed canoe. I even made a woodstrip for the trips. The Gurmman is pritty stable and handles waves nicely. But I mostly use it with the motor. And the new motor is like having a whole new boat. I hope this answered your questions. Take care out there!!
I know the canoe weighs about #105. I use a trailer to haul it. I have a bad shoulder and can't lift it on the roof anymore. I have a hard enough time putting the kayak up there. And it only weighs #45. So with the canoe and motor I don't know how much it weighs. I know the motor is about #50. The old 2hp was about #23. So you can tell its on the back! But in the water, there is no change except for speed. I will never get rid of it. My kids grew up in it. And I only dumped it once. But I was putting gas in the motor (2hp). And that was 30 years ago. So I have been luck. I have seen videos of hydrofoils on small motors. But I think the drag of it would slow you down more. I had one on a fishing boat and it slowed it down some. I like the way I have it. I just have to take more time loading the sand bags. Buy who cares? I am in no hurry anymore!
OH, forgot. The trailer is all aluminum and is made for a canoe. Rides very smoothly. Max load on it is about #350. SO I put the sand bags in the truck when on the road. But I would suggest a trailer that isn't too stiff riding. It will be hard on a canoe on the road.
Instead of sand bags I use two five gallon water jugs. Fill with lake water when I get there and dump when I leave. you don't have to haul all the weight around that way.
I like the water jug idea. I might try it next year. I put about 140#s in front. So, I'll have to figure out weight. The sand bags don't take up much room in front. So I'll check into it. Thanks!
It is 55#s . I have a bad shoulder, so it is a little of a problem for me. I use a canoe trailer and treat it like a fishing boat. Sometime I will take a picture of my outfit while it is on the trailer. It works very well for me. I also use the 4hp on the back of my fishing boat as a kicker motor. It will push it about 5mph. And that isn't too bad for a 2000# boat!! But you should like the way the motor will idle and run. Let me know if you get one and how it works. Have fun out there!!!
Let me put it this way. I have had this canoe for over 42 years. I only spilled it once. And that was when I was putting gas in it. I wasn't even moving. My kids grow up in it. Never a problem. I have taken it to the Mississippi river many times. Gone camping in it. And taken it to the Boundary Waters. Waves were over 2 foot. I stand in it. (being careful to stay in the middle). SO, YES , I would say it is safe. I do a lot of fishing and exploring with it. I have a large fishing boat. But I enjoy this setup a lot more. Once, I had a large wave go over the front of the canoe. But, that was because a NUT came too close to me with a large boat throwing a huge wave from behind. I had about 6 inches of water in the bottom. Things got wet, but still had forward speed. And no problem. Except for things wet inside. SO yes it is safe.
Thank you , but I didn't see how is the engine outboard joined to canoe . I have a canadian canoe and Hope to see the how to. Health for you and yours!
Im clueless to canoes but Id like to buy one to play on the lake with my kids. What price should I expect to pay for an aluminum canoe and what outboard motor do you recommend? Thanks.
That is a hard question to answer. There are all models and prices for canoes. The higher quality canoe, you'll pay more. I bought the Grumman NEW in 1971. It was $600. Prices have really risen since then. Look for the length and width. You will want a 16 or 17' canoe for the family. Mine goes by weight it will haul. Make sure it has floatation in it. So, if it flips, it will still float and people can hang on to. (Thats very important!) Mine is made from aircraft aluminum and very strong. It has run over many bad and damaging things. Not even a dent in it. If you find a Grumman, BUY IT. I am a firm believer in them. Just because I have had it 41 years, with never a problem. Just replaced the wood on the back where the motor clamps. But very easy to do. It takes about 10 minutes. After the wood is cut to size. Aluminum canoes can be left outside. Fiberglass and 'plastic', HAVE to be stored out of the sun. Oh yes, you'll see fiberglass ones outside. But they look like they are 50 years old. When they may by 5 years old. The sun is the worst on plastic or fiberglass. I built a woodstrip conoe. And it is always stored in a building. If you don't plan on using a motor. Make sure it has 2 sharp points front and rear. A square stern going through the water has a drag to it. Main things to thing of. 1- the narrower the canoe, the faster it is. BUT its the most tippy. 2)- Length also relates to speed. ... Hope this helps. Good luck.
I have used a few of those. Is it aluminum? If not, remember to store it inside or under a cover to protect it from the sun. You'll have to post a few videos when you use it. I'll have to put a video of my setup when its out of the water and on its trailer.
I bought it 43 years ago. A great canoe with never a problem with it. I bought mine in DesMoines. Iowa. The best thing I can think. Is look on the internet for the closest dealer by you. Just do a search for Grumman. That will be the easiest. But I should warn you. They are a little pricey. But you are buying one that will last you a life time. And long after. Mine is going to my kids.
Yes you can. . The 4 stroke is a great little motor for that. I have had it down under 2mph. Much slower and I just paddle. But you can almost go as slow as just paddling. Very nice outfit. I also use the 4 hp on my large fishing boat as a kicker motor. It will push the boat at 5 mph. If you are looking for a new motor. I would just make sure it was a 4 stroke. You can idle them all day without loading up.
I have the same canoe and im looking at a 60 pound 5 hp Honda for it. I weigh 220. Do you think thats too much weight in the rear? I do plan to add weight to the front or have a 2nd person..
weight in back is fine in your case. Just add about 150#s in front. Water jugs, sand bags. Anything. You'll have to adjust the weight in front to see how it works. 140#s is what I use. I weight 173#s. 2nd person is the best. You don't have to unload it!! hehe.
The tank on the motor., I can run about an hour. External tank (3gals.) I can run over a day. A lot of my trips I don't run wide open. I cruse about 3/4 throttle. Or less. In short, it runs a long time.
It leans like you are turning a V bottom boat. I wouldn't turn it sharp at wide open. But it turns very well. I have spun it around on its self, I mean the nose stays in one place. But only at half throttle. You can see in the video how it turns. But I wasn't turning very sharp. Its a narrow river.
I guess I don't know what you mean. It handles very well on the turns. I can take them at a good speed. I have turned on full throttle before, but the turns aren't real sharp. Not much more than a 50 degree angle turn. It leans like any boat. But its very stable for as fast as I am going.
I actually have 2 tanks. The one in the motor and an external tank. the one in the motor will run about an hour. The 3 gallon external tank. I use it for about 3 week. That is going out 3 times a week.
Ralph Mann dang looks like I'm going t have to go electric plus and solar cause I want to do a 550 miles river trip on the Missouri and gas looks like not the option
Thank you for this. I'm trying to decide if I want to put my 5 hp Mercury on my 17 ft canoe or my 12 ft flat bottom. Which one do you think would be fastest?
I recently acquired an 18-foot aluminum Grumman G model canoe with transom. It's rated up to 5 horsepower outboard. I'd like to find a small outboard but I'm not having much luck. I wish I knew where to find these little used outboards I think they are so cool!
They are very nice. I have a 60hp on my big boat. Ant I can run all summer on what that big motor will use in a day. My 4hp Merc. was purchased new. But lookk on Ebey or local news papers. I have a 2hp I have had since 1977. I use to use it on the canoe. But I replaced it with the 4. Good luck on finding a motor. Most people tend to keep those small motors. They really don't wear out. Good luck. Let me know how you come out.
Thanks Marc. I love getting out in it. The videos also help others decide how big a motor to put on a canoe. I checked UA-cam before I bought this motor. Later, I'll have something with the canoe on the trailer. It works very well.
All I can think is he must weigh 95 lbs because that's the same canoe as I paddle from the middle solo and I'd have that thing pointing about 40 degrees in the air sitting back there with that motor going like that.
It works wonderful. I was thinking of buying a fishing boat. But this outfit works very well. So, I put it off a few years. This goes places a larger boat won't go. Can't wait for the summer to get here. I miss the water.
Thanks. I will try that this summer. 11 is pritty fast for me. I like the canoe because it goes slow. But sometimes, yup, flying over the water is cool too. Thanks
I looked for a higher pitch blade. The largest I could find is 9" pitch. Which I bought. Calculations say I should get another 3.5mph faster. But I won't know how fast till this spring. Too much ice on the river right now. But thanks.
plutoplatters electric isn't pwerful enough in larger lakes. I have a 55lb thrust Watersnake and previously a 55lb thrust Minn Kota and the Watersnake does better but still not enough to get through lakes that have big swells and good current.
1980-81 - friend and I circumnavigated the Eastern US in a 19' square-stern grumman with a 4.5 hp Evinrude. Fully loaded - 1100#+ - traveled at about 8 knots. Excellent trip - sturdy vessel - very seaworthy even in Gulf of Mexico and Atlantic Ocean - - the Canadian Historical Canals (Rideau & Trent-Severn) best part of trip. We started in Greenville, MS, and ended there. If I were to travel alone I would like the 17' like yours.
That is so cool. How long did it take? Did you do it all at once, or in steps? I have more fun in the canoe, than I do the fishing boat. Not as fast. But closer to nature.
@@Ralphcanoeingadventures total trip - - about 5 1/2 months, but - - when we got to Boston, we were behind schedule (weather) and decided to stay there a year and leave again next Spring - - to have better time in Canada
@@jazrobean1 Oh yes. Boundary Waters is the best place for canoeing. I built a woodstrip to just take up there. The waters around Iowa, are not worthy of it.
I'd like to hear about that trip. You should write a book.
@@michaelsimpson9779lots of people do it, they call it the loop
Nice. I've got a 19 foot square stern touring canoe by Grumman. I've only used an electric motor on it and that makes it cruise. I'm not close by the canoe to see the horsepower allowed but I believe its 7.5 for my canoe. I know I can haul 1125 lbs. in it with comfort. Great products. I bought mine in high school. Spent almost half my summer lifeguarding salary on it. It was used, but in great shape.. That was in the late 70's and I still have that canoe today. I no longer run it on a trailer and just keep it on the pond where the mountain house is.
That is nice to hear. Mine is a 17 foot. Rated for Max of 5HP. Yes, yours is probably higher. I bought mine in 1977 new. And they are a great canoe. Never had a leak or problem with it! I would love to be a dealer of them. I could sell a ton of them. Just by my experiences with them. Thanks for the info.
That's what I grew up paddling my dad bought it new in the 50s and handed it down those things cut water like a knife don't they I never knew how good I had it until paddling a fiberglass walmart canoe at summer camp felt like a log
@@nedflanders190 I want to moore canoes at lakes in upstate Pa and use them whenever I want through the summer. In the fall I'll fish the lake and then take it back to the mountain house. My friends will be able to use the canoes too. I'll need four of them. I'll paddle these lakes
Did the same thing years ago with a 4hp Evinrude 2 stroke on a 17 ft Ouchita square stern. Lots quieter, but still preferred an electric trolling motor for most of my fishing adventures.
I have the same canoe with a 4.5 HP motor. Grumman canoes are so well built. After almost 40 years of use, it doesn't leak a drop from any seam or rivet. I am now re-rigging it to accept a Minn Kota trolling motor usually used as a bow mount on a Whaler Montauk. Plenty of thrust and I can use it on lakes where gas motors are not allowed. Only significant mod is I have to make a horizontal mounting surface for this motor since it is the type that you extend out and it drops vertically and locks in place. This is going to be really nice for trolling for landlocks, rainbows and browns in The Finger Lakes.
Sorry to reply so late. I just saw your comment. I have the same situation. No leaks or problems with the canoe. And YES.... Very well built!
Gets along bloody good , 11 mph ,, you trying rowe that quick 🤪
I paddle my woodstrip canoe. But with this outfit. I can get out of trouble as fast as I got into it.
Cool video! I’ve got a 17’ Grumman and a 6hp. Love flying around at 15mph, fishers look at me in disbelief 😂
Thank you. Mine will 12.5mph. And you are right. People are amazed at how fast the canoe will go. I get more comments about it than my big boat. And I have a lot more fun in the canoe. You can't hurt it!!
@@Ralphcanoeingadventures good cheap fun! I got some generic stabilizer fins which bolt to the lower unit, added about 5mph and pushes the bow down so you dont need to load up with any counterweight. Aslo made the boat feel more stable at speed. I recommend, they are like $40 on amazon
@Carver Banjos I might think about it. It am kinda stuck with Ole school stuff. I am going to do a video this spring about the water balist using water pump and holding tank. But I'll think about your idea. Thanks!
Just thought of something. How stable is it when you are not moving?
@@Ralphcanoeingadventures when youre not moving, the fins do nothing. They are like wings and only work when the water is moving over them. Cheers, looking forward to your spring video, water ballast tank sounds like an awesome idea
I have the same thing.
My dad had a canoe of similar type but in glass fibre..
I had a 3,5hp outboard.
So I made a wooden bracket for the outboard and put it on the canoe.
It worked verry well.
That is great! I have had this outfit for over 50 years. I have so much fun in it. I would rather take the canoe out more than my large fishing boat. It was good to hear from you. Take care.
I had a '73 4 horse Johnson on a 17' square stern Grumman until a tree fell on it a few years ago. I could go 9mph on a lake according my GPS but I didn't ballast the front so I was probably pushing more water with my deeper stern. Great times... Thanks for the memories.
It is always nice to hear about other people's stories about doing this kind of stuff. I get more comments around the boat landings, that they had never seen a motor on a canoe. I think it is funny! You said a tree fell on you canoe? It must have been big a pritty big one. Its hard to hurt a Grumman canoe!!!
Just to add. I bought a large fishing boat with the works. A 60ph motor. It goes way too fast for me. About 40mph. I find I only go about 25 with it. I can't wait for the waters to get too low for the big boat. I miss the canoe and going places noone else can. I even went under an inerstate through a large culvert last year. THAT WAS FUN!!!!
"I'm king of the world".
Keep your composites, and give me an old school Grumman.
I so agree. They are built to last. They say, "the only canoe you will ever have to buy". So true!!
iceberg right ahead!! :) TX for the video my friend! :)
I have a 5hp on a 15 'old town discovery sport. I need weight in the front when I open it up. Cheap way to get out on the water. I can still navigate the shallows too. Motor up and paddle in.
That is what I like to do. Go up creeks and places that only a kayak or canoe can go. You see very interesting things when you go slow. I see jet boats fly by. They can't even see a leaf in the water. So sad!. Thanks for sharing. Good paddling....
How fast have you clocked it at?
I don;t know if you are asking me about the speed, or someone else. But my 4hp will go about 12 mph. But I have to have the weight of a person in front.
Thank you.
Hydrofoil will make a world of difference try it out you won't be disappointed
I use a 1963 Lund canoe, 17 footer, with a 1976 2hp Evinrude side mounted on a homemade bracket. It hardly leans at all, and will push two people with no problem. My favourite pass time:)
Great! I had a 2HP Johnson for 47 years. It worked as you said. But mine is a square stern. So it was on the back. I went to a 5Hp 4 cycle now. Mainly because I idle around alot. So it was a better choice. I have more fun in the canoe than I do in the big boat. And gas is alot cheaper!!
47 years! Wow! I would’ve preferred a square stern when I started but enjoy what I have very much. Do you have any suggestions on regular upkeep on such a motor? Changing the gear lube, seafoam in the gas, and flushing out the holes here and there has kept me going so far. Thanks for the reply.
@@cody5548 Sounds like you are doing every thing right. Might check you water impellor every 2 or 3 years. The pump don't spray out so you can see the water. I had to hold my hand in front of the holes to make sure it was getting water. seafoam is a big plus for your carb. Good luck.
Hey Mr. Mann just wanted to say that I've watched your set of canoe videos many times while waiting to take out my own canoe. It was very useful to see an example of a solid canoe and motor combination in the waves and on calm waters. I just uploaded a video on my channel of my 15' fiberglass canoe cruising. Let me know what you think! I have a 4HP Evinrude from 1973 that worked well but I just bought a 1981 Johnson 7.5 HP. I didn't use a GPS or speedometer. I really like the old aluminum canoes and yours is awesome. Good luck fishing!
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Sweet Ride Man!
I really like this setup. I had it over 50 years.
A square stern canoe is an excellent choice for many purposes. Want to just go in a canoe with paddles, fine leave the motor at home. OR...
add an electric trolling motor to the back.. OR.. a small outboard motor.
Bought my very nice square stern off Craigs List for $225.00 Be advised, as soon as you add power, most states will require license numbers on the boat. Check out your state laws. In Texas where I live a "motor boat" must have a title. Had to jump through several hoops to get an old canoe titled. Finally worked though and now I have a most excellent multi-purpose boat.
Modified the rather nice old 16 ft. canoe with a 3.5 hp gas outboard, better seats, and a trailer, for easy handling.
Yes a boat registered in Iowa is required over 14 feet. And I have mine on a trailer also. Being 71. I can't lift it on top of the car anymore. There are pictures of my outfit on some of my other videos.
The beauty of a canoe is that it is a lot more efficient than a Jon boat at lower speeds ...!!
That is so true. And it don't mater how mush weight you put in them. They still go just as fast. The Indians had the right idea!
@@Ralphcanoeingadventures When a Jon boat isn’t planing the transom is submerged causing lots of drag, a 16 foot canoe has a longer water line length which gives it a higher displacement speed, and then of course the sleekness of a canoe .. I’ll give up some stability for speed any day ..
Low power efficiency ..
@@CapnSchep My canoe is a square stern. But its only about 10 inches. I took it to Boundary Waters one year. Didn't use a motor. We could tell the drag that time! It wasn't much. But paddleing all day. It sure showed.
@@Ralphcanoeingadventures But it probably motors better than a double ender because the wider stern can handle more weight without submerging the stern as much .. I have a 16’ double ended canoe I bought that someone modified the stern for an outboard motor, the bottom 2/3s is still pointed .. I run a 4 1/2hp Evinrude that weighs 50 lbs so I have to shift my weight forward ( I weigh 160lbs ) or it won’t completely plane out .. I’m thinking about adding a hydrofoil fin to the motor .. She’ll move on out to just over 12 mph, fast enough for me but it amazes me how quick she runs at 1/3 throttle, I love it ...!! If it ever breaks down I’ll tilt the engine out of the water and paddle it backwards from the bow lol ...!!
Cool! Thinkin about putting an outboard on a canoe
I like it. I can run the motor to get up river, then I can paddle back down. Yesterday, I used the motor to get 3 miles up a creek. Then I paddled back down. It took 4 hours but very fun! I posted a couple pictures on my you tube site.
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Glad you enjoyed it.
When I going solo I place few plastic containers filled by water for ballast.
I use split firewood for ballast and sell it to boaters if they want it
Nice! I have a 19 foot Grumman square stern and a Tanaka 300 a Chrysler 7 horsepower outboard and a engine lift and a 15 horsepower Johnson.
You can't beat a Grumman. They cost more. But last forever!. I have had mine for 41 years, and never a problem. Just replaced the wood at the motor mount part. That is all I have done to it. Thanks for sharing.
I have a 3.3 merc on a 14 ft sports pal moves along nice, never thought to check what I'm getting for speed out of it...
You have to check it out. I use the GPS on my fish locator. I think you can use your phone. I bet on that 14' canoe. It should go pretty fast. Weight in the front really helps.
Хорошая скорость для 4 -х коней ❤
I am sorry. But I don't understand your language.
I also have a 17 ft aluminum scanoe and i went from a 69 horse and a half johnson to a 64 3hp evinrude lightwin 2 stroke.... I tried a hp air cooled kohler and a 4 stroke merc but I think the 3hp evinrude is the best. Wish I had a hand throttle but the "weedless" offset prop angle is perfect for thrusting the ass end up allowing better plane . I dont need to add ballast to run solo as long as I have a little bit of gear I can push all the way to the front . With a passenger i just load gear in middle and go ---- nice set up
That sounds like a nice setup. My prop shoots straight back. I can see how a weedless setup would have its advantages. I have never had that kind before. I had a 2hp johnson engine. It also pushed straight back. Thanks for your input.
Man, that's a good turn of speed!
Thank you. I also am fitting an outrigger on the G double ender. Hopefully that will help with the added weight of a 4-5hp.
My 4 & 5hp both weighed 55#s. Just a thing to remember. Good luck.
Hi. Can I ask what type of motor mount are you planning to use? I’m thinking about doing the same for my double ender. Maybe using steel channel across the gunnels would be better thank aluminum. Then have a mounting plate welded on the end. Any help is so appreciated. Mahalo from Hawaii
Very cool! Looks so familiar. Just getting the hang of a 16' Wards aluminium square butt. Has a 2 horse Evinrude that came with it. What a hoot!
I had a 2 hp Johnson motor on this for over 40 years. I up graded to a 4 horse Merc a couple of years ago. Difference between night and day. I just bought a large fishing boat. But still get out in the canoe 3 or 4 times a week. I like exploring creeks and hard to get places. The big boat won't get anywhere close as the canoe. Thanks for subscribing. I am running out of things to post. Unless I buy a drone .
Looks like you have fishing poles on board. Videos of what you do with them could be of interest.
I have the poles, But they are mostly for looks. I am not that great of a fishermen. I don't catch much. I just like to get out on the water and explore the creeks and remote places. Sorry I can't help you more. I did buy a large fishing boat, but it won't go where this can go. I'll get the canoe back out when the river gets low. Be safe out there!!
No problem. Don't so much need help as merely suggesting topics for you.
My pleasure with the canoe is accessing hard to reach places too. Another great aspect is that I can often launch it on remote waters that do not offer boat ramps and such. No need for facilities, just a body of water and some quiet.
Mine is on a trailer. I lanch it like a regular boat. I have a bad shoulder, so this works best for me. I think I wore out my shoulder from paddling so much in the Boundary Waters. But yes, getting in hard to reach places is so much fun. I like seeing all the tracks along the shore. Its fun seeing all the things that people miss seeing.
Wow that's amazing man.
Thanks. I have a blast in it. It handles very well.
Now put twin 200hp engines on it :P
it seems faster riding in a small boat,,, i built a hydroplane ..it was around 8 ft,,, had a 9.8 Mercury it did around 25 and i was hauling ass ,,,i was in a bayou the curves i rode to the inside only to skip way out ,,the motor helped me steer it in the power turns gunning the motor till it caught
That it cool! How large of motor did you put on it?
I know about being in a smaller water craft. I also have a big fishing boat with a 75HP Merc. on the back. That thing flies! It does 40MPH. But I still like the canoe. You are closer to nature in that thing.
Have the same set up, what are you using in the front as weight?
@Tdog9915 I have sand bags in front. They equal about #135. Now I use a water bladder. I have a video how I set it up. The sand bags are too much to work with.
I’ve got an Old Town 174 square back. What do you think would be the biggest outboard I could put on it? I’m over 200 lbs and most of my passengers would be around 225lbs. I’m looking at the Tohatsu 9.8 but I don’t want to overpower it. Your thoughts would be appreciated.
To me, a 9.9 is kinda large for the outfit. I have a 5hp and it is all I need. It goes 12mph. And that is fast in a canoe. I have watch videos with larger motors. And they get squirrelly at higher speeds. If you are carrying your family. I would go with a 5 or even a 3.5hp. The speed is there to get around. But still stay safe. (this is what I think.) but it is up to you. Mine is a 17' square stern. And a 5hp works very well. It gets me into trouble. But can also get me out of trouble just as fast. Check out the video where I almost went over a dam. Good luck. Let me know what you decide. Also--- In a canoe, weight in cargo is not that much of an issue for going through the water.
@@Ralphcanoeingadventures I agree it is probably too much. I’m just curious if it would work. Tohatsu makes a 9.8hp that weighs 80lbs. It’s a little smaller than the 9.9 that weight 100lbs. We had a square stern when I was a kid and I remember putting a motor that was too powerful on it and it didn’t work. It would spray water up the sides and into the air. I wish I could find someone that has tried one that size. It would be a nice motor to have because I could also use it on my sailboat dinghy. I’m leaning towards the 6hp though.
@@john-robertlyons8785 A 6hp would be nice. A good size. I had to make a splash shield on the back of mine. Water would hit the lower unit and come in the back of the boat. This happens at full speed.
thanks
... enjoy the slower pace these days...
I'm willing to bet that's faster than 11.5 mph. I had a '97 4hp Mercury 2 Stroke on my 14 foot flat bottom jon boat & I could get it up to 11 mph max.
I wish it was, but I checked it with my handheld GPS. Going down river it was over 14 mph, but going up stream, it was about 9. So I averaged the times. And it came to 11.5. I did run it in still waters a few times and it came to 11.4. A canoe isn't made to plain. So it is slower than a jon boat. But a canoe goes just as fast with a lot of weight or just enough weight to way down the front. But thanks for your comment. Stay safe out there!
I'll remember the 150 pounds of sandbags in the front. The first time that I took my canoe with motor out on the river the front say way up in the air. The canoe tipped me out with a gust of wind.
Thats good. Remember that a canoe is meant to be level in the water. They are not meant to plain on the water. They cut through it. I also found that the weight in the front actually makes the canoe go faster. Glad I could help.
@@Ralphcanoeingadventures wow - 150lbs is a lot of front sand weight. How much do you weigh?
@@dreamdiction I weight 175. But when you are going faster, you want to keep the front as low as you can. It works very well in my case. As long as you keep the bottom on the water at full surface. It is very stable.
lmfao it goes pretty good eh haha I seen one with a tiny honda on it it just ripped like yours.
It will go 12.5mph. Fast enough in a canoe.
@@Ralphcanoeingadventures ua-cam.com/video/Uj4yymmPCkU/v-deo.html check this out lol Iv never seen anything like it.
I have the same canoe but an old 2 stroke 4hp Johnson Seahorse. My boat doesn't go anywhere near this fast. HP ratings must be a lot different on these modern 4 strokes... I'm lucky if I see 7mph on the old seahorse wide open.
Do you put weight in the bow? I add 140#s of sand bags. That keeps the bow down to cut the water. My 4HP was stolen a fw years ago. I replaced it with a 5HP. But, the speed remained the same. 12.5MPH is the best I can get. I have played with prop pitch, with no changes. Let me know how you come out with some weight in the front.
What's the beam and height of you canoe?
36--13
If you got an extension for your motor handle and sat in the middle of the boat you might get twice the speed.
I use sand bags in front. It keeps the canoe level in the water at slower speeds. It takes the place of someone in front. In back I can control the motor. Shifting and steering. But thanks
Max speed with the setup is still 12.5mph. I have tried many configurations. This works the best for me.
Ist there a hydrofoil on your outboard
No. I have a piece of fiberglass mounted on the back of the canoe. But, that is for stopping the water off the lower unit from splashing into the back of a canoe. At higher speeds, it will roll in the back. I put about 140#s of sand bags in the front to keep it level. Works great. A canoe isn't meant to plane.
How's your stability? I tipped a canoe a few years ago with a 2.5 on the back.
The video you are watching. I was standing up. As all canoes. You have to stay on the middle. But this canoe is pritty stable. I have had this outfit for over 40 years. And only flipped it twice. Just think as you are moving around and it is fine.
Sorry, this video is sitting down. Look at the one where I am standing.
Hmm so I'm guessing that the 10hp motor I ordered is gonna be over kill after watching this
As far as I am concerned, it will be. But the good thing is. You can get out of trouble as fast as you got in it. You don't have to run it wide open. Most of the time. I am only going half to 3/4 on the throttle.
Thats up current on a river? How fast flowing is the river
In that area, it was running about 5mph. Rest of the river was about 2mph. That area you see is where there was a rock dam just under the water. Most of the time I can make it over. But in this year. The river was very low.
Is it possible to remove the center cross beam overnight to make room for a tent, so that you can sleep right out on the water?
With my canoe, I have done that. The Grumman canoe is very well built. I have even taken the center swart out while on the water. With the motor pushing the canoe. There is a little flex in the sides. But nothing to worry about. More visual that structural. Hope this helps.
How wide is your canoe
91cm
Mr. Mann. I just got me a 17 ft double ender Grumman. Got the G specifically to add an outboard motor. We usually go 2 person (weight in the front accounted for in lieu for sand bags) We go out to the bay for some shallow water fishing.
Do you prefer the 2hp or 4hp better with the performance and overall satisfaction on how it adapts to your canoe? Hope you can share your experience. Thanks
I love the 5 hp. The 4 hp was stolen
A few years ago. Weight is a thing to remember. Mounting a motor on the side. Go with 2hp. If on the back, go 4 or 5hp.
Hi, I have the exact same Grumman. I want to put a small outboard motor to it. How did you mount your motor? I was thinking of using steel square channel instead of aluminum. Mount it secured to the gunnels with the bar going across the top. Any help is kindly appreciated. Aloha from Hawaii
great vid
is the 17 ft. Grumman a preference for just you?
history of your canoe?
would like a better idea of your entire set up
have a pristine 3 hp johnson seahorse from 61 ...original paint, original decals, prop, non rusted tank, weedless...
and considering canoe for similar set up
fuel consumption ?
total weight ...you, motor, boat, gear
150lbs of sand
now I know why the other vids with large dogs foward is common :0
consider a hydrofoil add to motor similar to another video?
trailer set-up?
Thanks.
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I bought the canoe in 1977 new. I purchased a 2hp Johnson motor with it (new). I have ran the 2hp until this year. when I bought the 4ph Merc. The 2 hp ran about 8 mph. This runs at 11.5mph. But I always put #150 of sand bags in the front. The lower you keep the front end, the better it goes. As you know, canoes are NOT meant to plain. I have never had trouble with the canoe. I even ran over a steel fence post under the water and it hardly put a scratch in it! As they say in the advertizment, "it will last you a live time". And mine has. I have had it for 39 years and still enjoy going out in it. I use it for fishing and exploring. It gets where most people wouldn't go. But that is just me. I like to get in the back waters. I also have a kayak, which I also use alot. I took the canoe to Boundary Waters once. That I will NEVE do again. It was heavy and with the square stern, it was like dragging an anchor. I've been up there every year for over 12 years. But always took a double pointed canoe. I even made a woodstrip for the trips. The Gurmman is pritty stable and handles waves nicely. But I mostly use it with the motor. And the new motor is like having a whole new boat.
I hope this answered your questions. Take care out there!!
I know the canoe weighs about #105. I use a trailer to haul it. I have a bad shoulder and can't lift it on the roof anymore. I have a hard enough time putting the kayak up there. And it only weighs #45. So with the canoe and motor I don't know how much it weighs. I know the motor is about #50. The old 2hp was about #23. So you can tell its on the back! But in the water, there is no change except for speed. I will never get rid of it. My kids grew up in it. And I only dumped it once. But I was putting gas in the motor (2hp). And that was 30 years ago. So I have been luck. I have seen videos of hydrofoils on small motors. But I think the drag of it would slow you down more. I had one on a fishing boat and it slowed it down some. I like the way I have it. I just have to take more time loading the sand bags. Buy who cares? I am in no hurry anymore!
OH, forgot. The trailer is all aluminum and is made for a canoe. Rides very smoothly. Max load on it is about #350. SO I put the sand bags in the truck when on the road. But I would suggest a trailer that isn't too stiff riding. It will be hard on a canoe on the road.
Instead of sand bags I use two five gallon water jugs. Fill with lake water when I get there and dump when I leave. you don't have to haul all the weight around that way.
I like the water jug idea. I might try it next year. I put about 140#s in front. So, I'll have to figure out weight. The sand bags don't take up much room in front. So I'll check into it. Thanks!
How much does your motor weigh? And is it easy to carry around? Thinking of getting the 4hp Merc for my old town rogue River square back
It is 55#s . I have a bad shoulder, so it is a little of a problem for me. I use a canoe trailer and treat it like a fishing boat. Sometime I will take a picture of my outfit while it is on the trailer. It works very well for me. I also use the 4hp on the back of my fishing boat as a kicker motor. It will push it about 5mph. And that isn't too bad for a 2000# boat!! But you should like the way the motor will idle and run. Let me know if you get one and how it works. Have fun out there!!!
is this dangerous at all?
Let me put it this way. I have had this canoe for over 42 years. I only spilled it once. And that was when I was putting gas in it. I wasn't even moving. My kids grow up in it. Never a problem. I have taken it to the Mississippi river many times. Gone camping in it. And taken it to the Boundary Waters. Waves were over 2 foot. I stand in it. (being careful to stay in the middle). SO, YES , I would say it is safe. I do a lot of fishing and exploring with it. I have a large fishing boat. But I enjoy this setup a lot more. Once, I had a large wave go over the front of the canoe. But, that was because a NUT came too close to me with a large boat throwing a huge wave from behind. I had about 6 inches of water in the bottom. Things got wet, but still had forward speed. And no problem. Except for things wet inside. SO yes it is safe.
Awesome thanks mate.
Thanks! I love getting out in the canoe. Its more fun than the big boat.
Thank you , but I didn't see how is the engine outboard joined to canoe .
I have a canadian canoe and Hope to see the how to. Health for you and yours!
There are other of my videos that show the motor on the back.
What’s the weight capacity and size...?
Capacity is rated OR. (owner responsibility). But well over 900#s. I don't know what you mean about size. In the description, it says 17 foot.
Im clueless to canoes but Id like to buy one to play on the lake with my kids. What price should I expect to pay for an aluminum canoe and what outboard motor do you recommend? Thanks.
That is a hard question to answer. There are all models and prices for canoes. The higher quality canoe, you'll pay more. I bought the Grumman NEW in 1971. It was $600. Prices have really risen since then. Look for the length and width. You will want a 16 or 17' canoe for the family. Mine goes by weight it will haul. Make sure it has floatation in it. So, if it flips, it will still float and people can hang on to. (Thats very important!) Mine is made from aircraft aluminum and very strong. It has run over many bad and damaging things. Not even a dent in it. If you find a Grumman, BUY IT. I am a firm believer in them. Just because I have had it 41 years, with never a problem. Just replaced the wood on the back where the motor clamps. But very easy to do. It takes about 10 minutes. After the wood is cut to size. Aluminum canoes can be left outside. Fiberglass and 'plastic', HAVE to be stored out of the sun. Oh yes, you'll see fiberglass ones outside. But they look like they are 50 years old. When they may by 5 years old. The sun is the worst on plastic or fiberglass. I built a woodstrip conoe. And it is always stored in a building. If you don't plan on using a motor. Make sure it has 2 sharp points front and rear. A square stern going through the water has a drag to it.
Main things to thing of. 1- the narrower the canoe, the faster it is. BUT its the most tippy. 2)- Length also relates to speed. ... Hope this helps. Good luck.
I found a used Wenonah composite canoe in my area. Still expensive. Thanks for the information. Very helpful.
I have used a few of those. Is it aluminum? If not, remember to store it inside or under a cover to protect it from the sun. You'll have to post a few videos when you use it. I'll have to put a video of my setup when its out of the water and on its trailer.
Sorry, I see its a composite. But protect it from the sun. Very important!
you should always wear weight cuffs around your ankles for stability and always canoe in high wind.
ralf you seem like a reel genius on the water. where do i get me one of dos gurmann canoe?you got alot of hours on water ralp
I bought it 43 years ago. A great canoe with never a problem with it. I bought mine in DesMoines. Iowa. The best thing I can think. Is look on the internet for the closest dealer by you. Just do a search for Grumman. That will be the easiest. But I should warn you. They are a little pricey. But you are buying one that will last you a life time. And long after. Mine is going to my kids.
Can you slow the canoe down enough to troll - 2.5 mph? I have a similar canoe and am looking for a motor?
Yes you can. . The 4 stroke is a great little motor for that. I have had it down under 2mph. Much slower and I just paddle. But you can almost go as slow as just paddling. Very nice outfit. I also use the 4 hp on my large fishing boat as a kicker motor. It will push the boat at 5 mph. If you are looking for a new motor. I would just make sure it was a 4 stroke. You can idle them all day without loading up.
Thanks for the info Ralph. Much appreciated!CLIFF
I have the same canoe and im looking at a 60 pound 5 hp Honda for it. I weigh 220. Do you think thats too much weight in the rear? I do plan to add weight to the front or have a 2nd person..
weight in back is fine in your case. Just add about 150#s in front. Water jugs, sand bags. Anything. You'll have to adjust the weight in front to see how it works. 140#s is what I use. I weight 173#s. 2nd person is the best. You don't have to unload it!! hehe.
Is this a flatback?
It is a square stern, 17ft canoe. Check out my other videos for more info.
How far can you go with it on a full tank of gas?
The tank on the motor., I can run about an hour. External tank (3gals.) I can run over a day. A lot of my trips I don't run wide open. I cruse about 3/4 throttle. Or less. In short, it runs a long time.
@@Ralphcanoeingadventures Cool, thanks for the reply
@@-star_27-20 To make it short. If you take 1 gallon of gas with you. You can run ALL day. I have a 5hp now. Still the same.
I like it I like it a lot .
Thank you. I take the canoe out more than the big boat.
How does it do when going either to the left or right?
It leans like you are turning a V bottom boat. I wouldn't turn it sharp at wide open. But it turns very well. I have spun it around on its self, I mean the nose stays in one place. But only at half throttle. You can see in the video how it turns. But I wasn't turning very sharp. Its a narrow river.
I guess I don't know what you mean. It handles very well on the turns. I can take them at a good speed. I have turned on full throttle before, but the turns aren't real sharp. Not much more than a 50 degree angle turn. It leans like any boat. But its very stable for as fast as I am going.
Are the speeds from a gps or educated guess?
The speed was determined with a GPS
How much speed loss do you think you'd get with another person on board? I just picked up a 17" square stern Grumman for $225 for my wife and I.
There is no speed lose. I put 130#s of sand bags in front when I go out. The weight makes it go faster. Canoes are not meant to plane.
Nice
Yup. It works very well for what I like to do. Thanks.
What’s the maximum horsepower rating for the canoe..??
The canoe is rated for 5HP. I have seen larger motors on this style. But I have found that 5 is just right.
How far will it go on one tank?
I actually have 2 tanks. The one in the motor and an external tank. the one in the motor will run about an hour. The 3 gallon external tank. I use it for about 3 week. That is going out 3 times a week.
Ralph Mann dang looks like I'm going t have to go electric plus and solar cause I want to do a 550 miles river trip on the Missouri and gas looks like not the option
@@chrissmarr1253 Go as far as you want, down stream.
No way 11,5 mph. With 6hp I did 5mph , old town predator ;))))
Balance your load to get on plain.
@@dennismartin7429 :)
Thank you for this. I'm trying to decide if I want to put my 5 hp Mercury on my 17 ft canoe or my 12 ft flat bottom. Which one do you think would be fastest?
The one with the engine on will be the fastest
well the canoe .. no doubt less drag ..probably less weight too
@@thegeneral3094 Great answer ...!!
I recently acquired an 18-foot aluminum Grumman G model canoe with transom. It's rated up to 5 horsepower outboard. I'd like to find a small outboard but I'm not having much luck. I wish I knew where to find these little used outboards I think they are so cool!
They are very nice. I have a 60hp on my big boat. Ant I can run all summer on what that big motor will use in a day. My 4hp Merc. was purchased new. But lookk on Ebey or local news papers. I have a 2hp I have had since 1977. I use to use it on the canoe. But I replaced it with the 4. Good luck on finding a motor. Most people tend to keep those small motors. They really don't wear out. Good luck. Let me know how you come out.
@@Ralphcanoeingadventures will do! Thanks
Coooooool Stuff !!!!!
Thanks Marc. I love getting out in it. The videos also help others decide how big a motor to put on a canoe. I checked UA-cam before I bought this motor. Later, I'll have something with the canoe on the trailer. It works very well.
Disco inferno.
Wild man on the river that day!!
Awesome
I enjoy it more than the Big fishing boat. I like getting in close to things. And, THANKS!
All I can think is he must weigh 95 lbs because that's the same canoe as I paddle from the middle solo and I'd have that thing pointing about 40 degrees in the air sitting back there with that motor going like that.
I put about 145#s of sand bags in the front. That keeps the front down level.
How are you enjoying the mercury?
It works wonderful. I was thinking of buying a fishing boat. But this outfit works very well. So, I put it off a few years. This goes places a larger boat won't go. Can't wait for the summer to get here. I miss the water.
yes.... like a mad hatter.
What motor are you using?
In this video. I am using the 4HP Mercury. Its a 4 stroke / 4HP motor. 1 year old. It pushes the canoe at 11.5MPH.
I how have 5HP. Speed is 12.5mph. (just reading subscribers inputs. Take care.
You could do 16mph with a 15 pitch prop.
Thanks. I will try that this summer. 11 is pritty fast for me. I like the canoe because it goes slow. But sometimes, yup, flying over the water is cool too. Thanks
I looked for a higher pitch blade. The largest I could find is 9" pitch. Which I bought. Calculations say I should get another 3.5mph faster. But I won't know how fast till this spring. Too much ice on the river right now. But thanks.
You need to let me know where I can find a 15" prop. The largest I could find was 9".
I have not found a 15 pitch. I did purchase a 9". Sorry to say, it runs slower. I will do more experamenting.
electric...electric...........electric......................................electric..................electric .... quiet.
That may be true. But can an electric motor go 12 mph???? I have not seen one.
plutoplatters electric isn't pwerful enough in larger lakes. I have a 55lb thrust Watersnake and previously a 55lb thrust Minn Kota and the Watersnake does better but still not enough to get through lakes that have big swells and good current.
I have a 16 fiberglass withedura max 55 3batts im 250lbs I'll do 4 mph tops
Is it a flat back canoe?
Yes. If you look at my other videos, you can see it.
Is that a flat back canoe?
Yes it is. Works great with a motor. But to paddle it, there is a little drag because of the square stern.