The 2024 VW ID 4 is great upgrade to the original ID 4, especially the software, range, drive train, charging rate etc, Very nice upgrade to a great car!
We have the 2023 VW ID.4 Pro S in the US and love it. Yes, the two button rear window things is just annoying to put it mildly. I have taken several road trips at this point and welcome two things: one, more regular software update and sooner access to Tesla Super Chargers. That's it. I still love ❤ the daily driving experience everyday day. God bless,
I have had my 2021 AWD Pro for 2.5 years and love it. I drive 30K Km per year and it has been awesome in gas savings. I used to drive an Audi S3 and drove quite aggressively , I find this vehicle so relaxing that my driving habits have changed a lot and a lot less stress while driving during the day. My lease is up in just over a year so hopefully I can afford the $10-12K jump in pricing for the 2024's.
@@samjam6989 Not much maintenance period actually. All Season tires that came with the car are on their last legs though. 80K Km on the car and probably 65K on the Bridgestone stock tires.
Andrea & Zack ... great that you mentioned the charging stats; 175KWs is average speed for most EVs now. 10-80% in 28 minutes is a touch underwhelming; this is why charge curves are important. If you don't know what a charge curve is, it shows how long the 175KW rate will be maintained before the rate drops. Kind of important to mention what kind of charge port is used; NACS or the original CCS system. NACS will allow you to use the Tesla Charging Network. I found Electrify Canada to be reliable as opposed to Electrify America (could be due to less charging stations in Canada though). I would consider the Ioniq 5 EV over the EV6 since the EV6 isn't really a SUV.
Charging shouldnt be an issue from 2025 onwards as all cars including VW will be able to charge using Tesla superchargers and existing ID4 drivers will also be able to charge with an adaptor given from VW. So you will just plug and charge similar to Rivian and Ford which are using it now
I never thought about people cross shopping this car against Tiguan. You go with ID.4 for one of the fundamental EV luxuries: the smooth, seamless, quiet propulsion. No quivers at idle, no power pause or bogging while waiting for a turbo or transmission to sort themselves out.
If you are thinking about the 62 kWh battery ID.4 Standard or S trim, and worried about range, don't. I have a 2023 S RWD with the leatherette power adjustable, massaging seats, panoramic roof with oower sunshade, etc snd its been an amazing EV at a lower price point. But i still get all the options of the Pro S trim except for AWD which I dont feel I need living in Northeast Kansas. I get 220 miles of hwy range which is better than the EPA estinated 209, and between 240 & 290 miles of city range deoending on my driving efficiency. I love my 23 ID.4 S RWD abd road trip it all the time. Ive never had ti worry about the shirtter range either, so if you are looking to save sone money, the 62 kWh battery S trim RWD could be a great option for you without sacrificing options.
Range is not an issue for daily driving, which typically uses only about 5 to 15% of battery capacity for most of us. I got the 82 kWh battery to provide more options on road trips and to be able to easily handle some degradation over the long run. However, it makes a lot of sense to opt for the smaller battery. Another bonus is a bit of weight reduction with the smaller pack.
I have this car, in this model year and trim, and it's a great drive. The tight turning radius comes in handy more than you'd think. Even smaller turning radius than the Ioniq 5. I don't really have issues with the piano black, either, but I don't have kids with greasy fingers 😅 The steering capacitive buttons are responsive and I never accidentally hit the "Rear" capacitive button for the windows, but I could see this happening if you have different proportions.
The updates seem nice. Wish had true one pedal mode to a full stop though. Our 2021 has been enjoyable, despite all the recalls. But never left us stranded. A couple of the battery packs were replaced early on under warranty - nice that that can be done unlike integrated batteries. I wouldn't buy a plug-in car unless it has a NACS port though.
Thank you for revisiting this car.😊 The ID.4 has held my interest for 3 years. I have a AWD PRO S with heat pump arriving within a few weeks. I am confident, from various sources, that the software is virtually glitch free now. It seems as if ID.4 are selling well, in Nova Scotia. The first two Electrify Canada chartering centres are all but complete. Things are looking up.
I hear the new software is such an improvement you'd likely want to avoid the base trim with the old infotainment, even if you don't need the bigger battery of the Pro models
14:05 For comparison, I recently drove my 2023 Model Y LR from Vancouver to Whistler and back without charging. Started at 87% battery, finished at 29%, used 40 kWh, round trip distance about 260 km (163 miles). Starting in Tsawwassen would be further, more like 330 km (206 miles) per Google maps.
Alternatively, I often make a 175 mile round-trip and burn a little over 3 gallons of gas in my 455HP PHEV with a 41 mile battery. But the important thing is, most days I don’t burn any gas. 18,000 miles since 11/22, 103 mpg. And I really love cooling the cabin via my phone app on a hot day.
@@rhrh10 We tend to recommend vehicles we've driven and Tesla is not interested in us reviewing their vehicles unfortunately. It was an honest mistake on my part, I just didn't think of Tesla because w'eve only driven a Model Y once and that was back in 2022. Never even driven a Model 3 but sat in an Uber Model 3 and I thought the rear seat was pretty spacious for a car.
Range is 100% affected by mountain driving because regen brakes are never 100% efficient.. so do expect a few km of range loss. I have my 2021 ID.4 and it tackles mountain driving on number 3 highway no problem..
100 years ago, when the Milwaukee Road was traversing the Rockies in Montana and Idaho with electric locomotives, 40 to 60% of the ascending power was regenerated back to the grid on the downside. You could look it up.
@@Demobot1 yes.. start at 100% and then you can easily make it to merit and then charge to 80% -90% in merit and go to Kamloops.... then charge on the way back at merit or Hope.
I listen closely to your video and noticed how quiet the ride was.I have a 2023 Pro S RWD and it is so noisy.The noise comes from front link kit that have a lifespan of about 15k and the rear suspension as the same sound.Very noisy here on Quebec roads.I have a 4 years warranty for the lift kits so for now it is free repair.Hope when warranty is over the jober link kit will be better than VW ones
When you get into the car you select the driver profile. From there it will set the seats to the driver's preferred setting automatically. Works well for both my wife and I since we both have the seat set differently.
Why is everyone obsessed with the window switches? I've had my od4 two months and have only ever lowered the drivers window twice, and never needed to lower the rear windows. 🤷♂️
The improvements are all good, and I don't mind the window switches. The ID.4 seems a bit bulbous on the outside, but not too bad. I drove last year's ID.4 along with the Hyundai IONIQ 5 and both seem...adequate. I had trouble seeing the instruments through the Hyundai's steering wheel, but every car has quirks. I wish the ID.4 came with smaller wheels. All these compact SUV EVs seem decent but not stellar. Compromises in every one.
Looks like a solid update to original ID4. Will the original be able to upgrade to the new improved software? I remember the reviews from original that made software clunkiness a deal breaker for me. I also remember the sluggish performance didn’t help either.
I like it better than most EV's as far as looks go. Unlikely I'll ever own one as there is no dealer in my area. And I'm 70 and don't think I want to deal with long charging sessions when I'm on a road trip.
Too bad that North Americans are so starved for EV options compared to where I live (China). The ID4 is really not interesting. It has an old tech ternary battery and has trouble selling here, also because of the low tech interior which is perceived as basic (that's the Chinese opinion). VW are discounting id4 USD 8500 across the board in China, which brings the basic trim to less than $20,000. The higher versions get close to Tesla MY pricing and the latter runs circles around the ID4 in my opinion. Top version VW with 313HP is USD 33,300. And for USD 26.000, you can get the performance version of Geely E8 (look it up, Geely is Polestar, Volvo, Zeeker, Lotus and some more) with an LFP battery (Longer life both in charge cycles and battery degradation, less subject to igniting), 600+ HP AWD, a very refined interior and a nice ride with lifetime warranty. It's good that the traditional manufacturers are entering the EV game, but they still have some way to go. VW bought a stake in Xpeng, who actually make quite nice cars, and VW will use their drive trains and software to hopefully produce something more up to date. Currently the ID4 feels like the cheap Uber EVs that we have in China. Nice video nonetheless !
It's a good affordable EV with pretty good range and charging speed. It still has aome cheap bits like with the 2 window switches, but otherwise largely vice free. That said the new Equinox EV and now discounted Mach-E makes a compelling competition.
The AWD Pro S is 64k before taxes with the interior that looks like it belongs on a 35-40k dollar car. Sooooooo CHEAP. No lease deals either. I still think this is DOA but at least they fixed the horrible software. This makes the previous version untouchable and the depreciation will be huge now.
This is definitely not ‘people’s’ car. But too dear for my pocket. At least I get to contribute through my taxes to those who can afford it. Strange times we live in. I thought I escaped socialism when I moved to Canada.
The feel is much different than the looks, it has comfort features like seat massaging, and a lot of the money also went into the tech (the Travel Assist is great to use on long trips, the safety tech is very good, etc). A more economical option is the Equinox EV. I didn't get a chance to test drive it but it has a lower price point in the US.
@@Zlojeb990 the issue is not whether resistive heat can keep you warm. Properly designed, it can. The issue is that without a heat pump, in cold weather, an EV loses less range when equipped with a heat pump.
Unfortunately though I enjoy the content on this channel I don’t think Zack and Andrea are the biggest Tesla fans. Definitely odd that Model Y is missing
@@fbal1977Not saying model Y is better than ID4, just saying shouldn’t it get mention as next alternative? Just like people reviewing phones, they would benchmark Samsung or Apple
Honestly, I just forgot, we never drive Tesla's because the brand is not interested in us driving them. Tesla's in Vancouver are a dime a dozen, it was just an honest mistake. We tend to recommend what we've driven.
More efficient method of heating the cabin and/or battery than electric resistance heating. Heat pumps "pull" heat from the outside air and "pumps" it into the cabin.
@@hereigoagain5050 Not just the outside air but heat pumps can also scavenge heat from internal mechanisms that naturally generate waste heat. This is why the Tesla Octo heat pump caused a big commotion when it was released.
I really want to like this, but I just can't bring myself. On the one hand I very much appreciate that it's a more conventional design that will age well, and the upgrades make it more enticing, but on the other hand, the capacitive steering controls and convoluted infotainment still make it a tough buy, especially when VW has pretty much admitted that they need to step back. If they had just kept the control scheme from the Golf MK 7.5 days, but updated with modern features, life would have been good. The problem with EV's and modern cars is that I don't want to feel like I'm getting what the kids call the ens***ification era of tech and consumer devices... I don't want to have a worse experience with touch controls and capacitive steering controls that area easy to trigger when it's worse than the experience I have now in a car with physical controls. VW could have really made their current cars if they hadn't decided to join the auto industry claw-back of ergonomic controls... like, who was the person who greenlit the toggle switch to operate front and back windows in the ID.4? Sometimes when you get to that level of skimping it's really telling of the mindset of the company.
The capacitive steering buttons are actually very responsive, and in this model I found the climate buttons being always available in the screen not much different than having them hanging below it. But to each their own 🤷🏾♀️ The current CEO said they would rethink the capacitive buttons, but they are embedded into the supply chain of VW _and other automakers_ so there might be some delay there. I don't know if this will make the EV more expensive, as well.
Ev market share and sales have been rising every year for the past decade, so obviously EVs are selling. You’re not alone though, a lot of people conflate the declining growth rate in sales with total number of sales.
I think the Hot Topic for all EVs except Tesla is if it still has the CCS charge port or the NA/Tesla charge port. I sold my EV just after the announcement of automakers adopting the Tesla plug because I didn’t want to deal with the hassle of an adaptor.
CCS chargers will still be available, and my charging experience on them has been fine. Have you seen reviewers use the adapter on the Ford Mach-E? It's not even a big deal.
I wanted to trade in my 23 kia sportage for the id4. I just test drive the id4 Pro S AWD but it only had a 209 range and they wanted mid $46k after the 7500 rebate and to me I didn't think it was worth it for such a small range
You must have driven a previous model year because I have the 2024 version of that model, and my real world city driving range for this car is over 300 miles with a full battery. I hardly ever need to charge it to more than 70%
In Canada, the VW ID.4 RWD (62 kWh) starts at $51,220 CAD, S RWD (62 kWh) $53,720 CAD, Pro RWD (82 kWh) $55,720 CAD, Pro S RWD (82 kWh) $58,220 CAD, Pro AWD $60,720 CAD and Pro S AWD $63,220 CAD. Sooooo...all this money for software & updates on a large computer with wheels?
Have you ever driven an EV? Have you considered reduction in operating costs? Have you done any research at all? 58% of vehicles sold in China are EVs, likewise in some other euro countries. It will happen here too.
Your add with the 2 kids ...screaming and making noise...inside and outside the house.....its ANNOYING!! ..we in the real life....we are living this day in and out...with noisy neighbors and kids...so NO DOESNT MAKE ME WANT TO BUY ONE.
It's NOT the "Same", Zack! When you go downhill in an electric vehicle, you get some electrons back, IF you are in regenerating mode. You DO NOT get any gas back when you go downhill in a gas powered vehicle!
True generally. Some regeneration occurs if you’re using the brake pedal or cruise control to hold your downhill speed constant. If you’re freewheeling, just letting the car drift, there’s no significant regeneration.
@@billurban1581Regeneration occurs when you take your foot off the accelerator pedal, if you are pressing the brake pedal you’re not going to get any regeneration.
@@rhrh10why does Tesla need to be mentioned? The OP mentioned it in his question. I provided the ID.4s attributes that appealed to me when I rented one and why I put it on my shopping list. The ID.4 is at the large end of what I want. The Taos is my ideal size.
Go better with Model Y. It is just better in every feature Ah, yeah, and is the best sold car in the world in 2023 and 2024 And has beaten id4 in Europe - VW mainland....
Luv VW but not much anymore. Give us the highest quality German product at a better price like you used to! Too many trips and follies these days. My attention has turned to Hyundai/Kia ... Exciting over there!!
@@Demobot1 Electric vehicle (EV) sales growth in the U.S. continues to slow, according to sales data analyzed by Kelley Blue Book. In the first quarter of 2024, Americans bought 268,909 new electric vehicles, according to Kelley Blue Book counts. EV share of total new-vehicle sales in Q1 was 7.3%, a decrease from Q4 2023.
@@ferenckaposvari8337 I don't find Zach & Andrea are particularly pro-EV. They review cars people want to buy. Some people want an EV, so they can watch this. Others don't want an EV and that's fine too.
@@Andre-cj3ec The problems are, the not disclose all truth about EV cars. And they don't talk about the bad side of EVs, devaluations of EVs far more than regular cars, the safety issues, repair costs, battery costs, environmental impact of batteries, etc. But since the WEF poppets announced the green agenda, all review channels pushing EVs. With that who bought an EV with their hard earn money loosing far more money and put them in more debt, that is disgusting. Google how much car companies loosing on EV cars, and the government bailing them out on my hard earned money. Government give away billions of tax payer's hard earn money to private car manufacturers.
ok love the ID4, i can afford it, but why i would pay the 60k lol, for this price ill take a lot of other cars before the ID4, i really think North America's market is taking us for idiots and are milking us, the worst is its happening case we pay for those cars, even if you can afford it, if we dont buy the over priced cars, not just the ID4 but ioniq5 is another exemple, then they will have no choice but to react
Cheers guys...I would like to see y'all expand your standard review format to go just a little more in depth on the "sound systems" and what you get with the manufacturers "upgarded" systems. (Sometimes you do cover this, but never all times!) I am a total audiophile geek and a mjor consideration with me and cars is how good I can get with auto sound! Classical music is my thing, but all genres benefit. Long road trips are much more bearable with a full orchestra!
As a $60K vehicle, it seems really unimpressive all around, with nothing to make it a compelling purchase, UNLESS you insist on buying an EV and also insist that it's a VW.
the elephant in the room. How much did VW told you is a new traction battery ? I would like to see every reviewer to query a delearship. “if I were to replace my main battery today how much does your system quote me for this part for this EV ?”
VW intentional did not include a Frunk, so that the shorter front end enables more cabin space, I think this was very smart.
I completely agree. I'd rather have all my cargo space in the rear.
100% I've appreciated no frunk in ours.
The 2024 VW ID 4 is great upgrade to the original ID 4, especially the software, range, drive train, charging rate etc, Very nice upgrade to a great car!
The one thing other car makers can't provide is the satisfactory thud you get when you close the doors of a VW !
Love our 2023 id.4! Sure there could be improvements but no car is perfect, great bang for your buck!
We have the 2023 VW ID.4 Pro S in the US and love it. Yes, the two button rear window things is just annoying to put it mildly. I have taken several road trips at this point and welcome two things: one, more regular software update and sooner access to Tesla Super Chargers. That's it. I still love ❤ the daily driving experience everyday day. God bless,
We have a first generation Germany built ID4 for the last 3 years and it has been a very good car no issues whatsoever
I have had my 2021 AWD Pro for 2.5 years and love it. I drive 30K Km per year and it has been awesome in gas savings. I used to drive an Audi S3 and drove quite aggressively , I find this vehicle so relaxing that my driving habits have changed a lot and a lot less stress while driving during the day. My lease is up in just over a year so hopefully I can afford the $10-12K jump in pricing for the 2024's.
Any problems so far in terms of maintenance??
@@samjam6989 Not much maintenance period actually. All Season tires that came with the car are on their last legs though. 80K Km on the car and probably 65K on the Bridgestone stock tires.
@@petercorrin2414 nice that you got bridgestone stock tires. I goy hankook ones and dont know if they wpuld be durable enough
Andrea & Zack ... great that you mentioned the charging stats; 175KWs is average speed for most EVs now. 10-80% in 28 minutes is a touch underwhelming; this is why charge curves are important. If you don't know what a charge curve is, it shows how long the 175KW rate will be maintained before the rate drops.
Kind of important to mention what kind of charge port is used; NACS or the original CCS system. NACS will allow you to use the Tesla Charging Network. I found Electrify Canada to be reliable as opposed to Electrify America (could be due to less charging stations in Canada though). I would consider the Ioniq 5 EV over the EV6 since the EV6 isn't really a SUV.
Charging shouldnt be an issue from 2025 onwards as all cars including VW will be able to charge using Tesla superchargers and existing ID4 drivers will also be able to charge with an adaptor given from VW. So you will just plug and charge similar to Rivian and Ford which are using it now
I never thought about people cross shopping this car against Tiguan. You go with ID.4 for one of the fundamental EV luxuries: the smooth, seamless, quiet propulsion. No quivers at idle, no power pause or bogging while waiting for a turbo or transmission to sort themselves out.
I actually go for reliability of EVs and VW EVs are more reliable than their gas cars imo , aside from gas savings and lower maintenance cost
If you are thinking about the 62 kWh battery ID.4 Standard or S trim, and worried about range, don't. I have a 2023 S RWD with the leatherette power adjustable, massaging seats, panoramic roof with oower sunshade, etc snd its been an amazing EV at a lower price point. But i still get all the options of the Pro S trim except for AWD which I dont feel I need living in Northeast Kansas. I get 220 miles of hwy range which is better than the EPA estinated 209, and between 240 & 290 miles of city range deoending on my driving efficiency. I love my 23 ID.4 S RWD abd road trip it all the time. Ive never had ti worry about the shirtter range either, so if you are looking to save sone money, the 62 kWh battery S trim RWD could be a great option for you without sacrificing options.
Range is not an issue for daily driving, which typically uses only about 5 to 15% of battery capacity for most of us. I got the 82 kWh battery to provide more options on road trips and to be able to easily handle some degradation over the long run. However, it makes a lot of sense to opt for the smaller battery. Another bonus is a bit of weight reduction with the smaller pack.
Good looking vehicle and interesting interior design and I agree with you piano black got to go.
No heat pump in the US? Good thing the US doesn't get winter I guess. Wait yes they do.
I live in Hawaii. So the no heat pump works just fine for me 😂
I have this car, in this model year and trim, and it's a great drive. The tight turning radius comes in handy more than you'd think. Even smaller turning radius than the Ioniq 5. I don't really have issues with the piano black, either, but I don't have kids with greasy fingers 😅
The steering capacitive buttons are responsive and I never accidentally hit the "Rear" capacitive button for the windows, but I could see this happening if you have different proportions.
the only time i "roll" my windows down is at the drive thru, never used the back windows, not sure thats an issue at all. A/C is on 24/7
Very nice update on this one both 🎉
The updates seem nice. Wish had true one pedal mode to a full stop though. Our 2021 has been enjoyable, despite all the recalls. But never left us stranded. A couple of the battery packs were replaced early on under warranty - nice that that can be done unlike integrated batteries. I wouldn't buy a plug-in car unless it has a NACS port though.
I have the VW ID 4 Pro S RWD and been very happy with it. Smooth and reliable so far and the semi autonmous driver assistant is epic
Thank you for revisiting this car.😊
The ID.4 has held my interest for 3 years. I have a AWD PRO S with heat pump arriving within a few weeks. I am confident, from various sources, that the software is virtually glitch free now.
It seems as if ID.4 are selling well, in Nova Scotia. The first two Electrify Canada chartering centres are all but complete. Things are looking up.
Plus you will also be able to use Tesla superchargers in 2025 as VW will make adaptors for existing ID4.
Good review guys! Looking forward to your review on the 25 Jetta.
This car looks like a Nissan murano lol with the big wheels 😍.
Great review, Shout out to Mark & his EV team at Vancouver VW! Best in BC.
I hear the new software is such an improvement you'd likely want to avoid the base trim with the old infotainment, even if you don't need the bigger battery of the Pro models
Huge improvement, it's so much faster.
No software upgrade in the small battery trim? That doesn't sound right.
14:05 For comparison, I recently drove my 2023 Model Y LR from Vancouver to Whistler and back without charging. Started at 87% battery, finished at 29%, used 40 kWh, round trip distance about 260 km (163 miles). Starting in Tsawwassen would be further, more like 330 km (206 miles) per Google maps.
Yet model Y doesn’t make the other 4 vehicles considering, something not right
Alternatively, I often make a 175 mile round-trip and burn a little over 3 gallons of gas in my 455HP PHEV with a 41 mile battery. But the important thing is, most days I don’t burn any gas. 18,000 miles since 11/22, 103 mpg. And I really love cooling the cabin via my phone app on a hot day.
@@rhrh10 We tend to recommend vehicles we've driven and Tesla is not interested in us reviewing their vehicles unfortunately. It was an honest mistake on my part, I just didn't think of Tesla because w'eve only driven a Model Y once and that was back in 2022. Never even driven a Model 3 but sat in an Uber Model 3 and I thought the rear seat was pretty spacious for a car.
Range is 100% affected by mountain driving because regen brakes are never 100% efficient.. so do expect a few km of range loss. I have my 2021 ID.4 and it tackles mountain driving on number 3 highway no problem..
100 years ago, when the Milwaukee Road was traversing the Rockies in Montana and Idaho with electric locomotives, 40 to 60% of the ascending power was regenerated back to the grid on the downside. You could look it up.
Out of sheer curiosity could you make it from Vancouver to Kamloops on 2 charges?
@@Demobot1 yes.. start at 100% and then you can easily make it to merit and then charge to 80% -90% in merit and go to Kamloops.... then charge on the way back at merit or Hope.
I listen closely to your video and noticed how quiet the ride was.I have a 2023 Pro S RWD and it is so noisy.The noise comes from front link kit that have a lifespan of about 15k and the rear suspension as the same sound.Very noisy here on Quebec roads.I have a 4 years warranty for the lift kits so for now it is free repair.Hope when warranty is over the jober link kit will be better than VW ones
Love your content. These car prices are ridiculous nowadays
Driver seat memory should be on the key fob ... so I press a button and the seat starts to go into position before I get to the car.
When you get into the car you select the driver profile. From there it will set the seats to the driver's preferred setting automatically. Works well for both my wife and I since we both have the seat set differently.
I never really use those buttons on the side because the car adjusts the seat when you get in
Why is everyone obsessed with the window switches? I've had my od4 two months and have only ever lowered the drivers window twice, and never needed to lower the rear windows. 🤷♂️
Why no heat pump in the US or on the Ford mustang EV? Even our cheap Nissan Leaf SV plus has a heat pump.
Those vehicles have much better charging curves and battery management systems than the Nissan Leaf, so it evens out 🤷🏾♀️
The improvements are all good, and I don't mind the window switches. The ID.4 seems a bit bulbous on the outside, but not too bad. I drove last year's ID.4 along with the Hyundai IONIQ 5 and both seem...adequate. I had trouble seeing the instruments through the Hyundai's steering wheel, but every car has quirks. I wish the ID.4 came with smaller wheels. All these compact SUV EVs seem decent but not stellar. Compromises in every one.
Looks like a solid update to original ID4. Will the original be able to upgrade to the new improved software? I remember the reviews from original that made software clunkiness a deal breaker for me. I also remember the sluggish performance didn’t help either.
I like it better than most EV's as far as looks go. Unlikely I'll ever own one as there is no dealer in my area. And I'm 70 and don't think I want to deal with long charging sessions when I'm on a road trip.
Too bad that North Americans are so starved for EV options compared to where I live (China). The ID4 is really not interesting. It has an old tech ternary battery and has trouble selling here, also because of the low tech interior which is perceived as basic (that's the Chinese opinion). VW are discounting id4 USD 8500 across the board in China, which brings the basic trim to less than $20,000. The higher versions get close to Tesla MY pricing and the latter runs circles around the ID4 in my opinion. Top version VW with 313HP is USD 33,300. And for USD 26.000, you can get the performance version of Geely E8 (look it up, Geely is Polestar, Volvo, Zeeker, Lotus and some more) with an LFP battery (Longer life both in charge cycles and battery degradation, less subject to igniting), 600+ HP AWD, a very refined interior and a nice ride with lifetime warranty. It's good that the traditional manufacturers are entering the EV game, but they still have some way to go.
VW bought a stake in Xpeng, who actually make quite nice cars, and VW will use their drive trains and software to hopefully produce something more up to date. Currently the ID4 feels like the cheap Uber EVs that we have in China.
Nice video nonetheless !
I wonder if the ID.3 (The more Golf sized VW) is coming to Canada. Probably not right?
I would buy an electric Golf Alltrack in a heartbeat with the same specs as my 2018!
It's a good affordable EV with pretty good range and charging speed. It still has aome cheap bits like with the 2 window switches, but otherwise largely vice free.
That said the new Equinox EV and now discounted Mach-E makes a compelling competition.
At 1:08 in the video you talk about manual seats while clearly showing power seats in the video
Good review, why don’t they send their cheaper EVS to North America? Do they think here people are Rich?
The AWD Pro S is 64k before taxes with the interior that looks like it belongs on a 35-40k dollar car. Sooooooo CHEAP.
No lease deals either. I still think this is DOA but at least they fixed the horrible software.
This makes the previous version untouchable and the depreciation will be huge now.
Remember when 40k was expensive for a car
@@saranrathakrish8468 sadly I do. And when you figure the lease payments on this it’s pushing 900s before taxes on a 4 yr zero down. It’s stupid.
This is definitely not ‘people’s’ car. But too dear for my pocket. At least I get to contribute through my taxes to those who can afford it. Strange times we live in. I thought I escaped socialism when I moved to Canada.
@@jcizmanFacts and Truth behind your comment. Another method for the distribution of wealth.
The feel is much different than the looks, it has comfort features like seat massaging, and a lot of the money also went into the tech (the Travel Assist is great to use on long trips, the safety tech is very good, etc).
A more economical option is the Equinox EV. I didn't get a chance to test drive it but it has a lower price point in the US.
It’s a good thing it never gets cold anywhere in the US. Otherwise, that no heat pump thing would be really stupid 🙄
I've got the model with no heat pump, live in Canada, last winter was around -25 C lowest temp and it was totally fine.
This car is fine in the cold. Not many of us in the US live in the artic
@@Zlojeb990 the issue is not whether resistive heat can keep you warm. Properly designed, it can. The issue is that without a heat pump, in cold weather, an EV loses less range when equipped with a heat pump.
@@Andre-cj3ec VW discontinued the heat pump since the model was not efficient. They said there were almost no efficiency gains over resistive heating
Model Y not part of the 4 other cars to consider, did I miss something?!
Unfortunately though I enjoy the content on this channel I don’t think Zack and Andrea are the biggest Tesla fans. Definitely odd that Model Y is missing
I own 2024 ID4, you can't compare with model Y. I've driven every other EV in Canada. ID4 is the best for your money.
@@fbal1977Not saying model Y is better than ID4, just saying shouldn’t it get mention as next alternative? Just like people reviewing phones, they would benchmark Samsung or Apple
This car is an actual compact SUV: sits higher off the ground, has a higher ride height. The Model Y is not an SUV in any sane universe
Honestly, I just forgot, we never drive Tesla's because the brand is not interested in us driving them. Tesla's in Vancouver are a dime a dozen, it was just an honest mistake. We tend to recommend what we've driven.
What is the heat pump for? Not really clear on their web site.
More efficient method of heating the cabin and/or battery than electric resistance heating. Heat pumps "pull" heat from the outside air and "pumps" it into the cabin.
It works like "AC" but in reverse.
@@hereigoagain5050 Not just the outside air but heat pumps can also scavenge heat from internal mechanisms that naturally generate waste heat. This is why the Tesla Octo heat pump caused a big commotion when it was released.
Heat pump's main benefit is less loss of range in cold weather.
RE: interior seat material. Does “leatherette” mean “fake leather”?
I really want to like this, but I just can't bring myself. On the one hand I very much appreciate that it's a more conventional design that will age well, and the upgrades make it more enticing, but on the other hand, the capacitive steering controls and convoluted infotainment still make it a tough buy, especially when VW has pretty much admitted that they need to step back. If they had just kept the control scheme from the Golf MK 7.5 days, but updated with modern features, life would have been good. The problem with EV's and modern cars is that I don't want to feel like I'm getting what the kids call the ens***ification era of tech and consumer devices... I don't want to have a worse experience with touch controls and capacitive steering controls that area easy to trigger when it's worse than the experience I have now in a car with physical controls. VW could have really made their current cars if they hadn't decided to join the auto industry claw-back of ergonomic controls... like, who was the person who greenlit the toggle switch to operate front and back windows in the ID.4? Sometimes when you get to that level of skimping it's really telling of the mindset of the company.
Allegedly VW is reconsidering using buttons again, but I would not assume they will bring them back soon.
The capacitive steering buttons are actually very responsive, and in this model I found the climate buttons being always available in the screen not much different than having them hanging below it. But to each their own 🤷🏾♀️
The current CEO said they would rethink the capacitive buttons, but they are embedded into the supply chain of VW _and other automakers_ so there might be some delay there. I don't know if this will make the EV more expensive, as well.
Can't figure out why this isn't front wheel drive, especially when there's no fronk?
It is generally agreed that a real wheel drive automobile handles better.
nice but too rich for me
always matching the car A.....
60K for AWD. No sell for most of us Canadian's. You can easily see why EV's are not selling.
Exactly. We can afford it, but it's just too much for a non luxury vehicle! We are waiting to see if prices come down in the coming year.
Ev market share and sales have been rising every year for the past decade, so obviously EVs are selling. You’re not alone though, a lot of people conflate the declining growth rate in sales with total number of sales.
How is the Tesla Model Y not a competitor?
how. do you compare your head unit of your GTi with with one in the ID4 2024?
This is better, it's faster.
does US has free DC charging at Electrify America?
The 2024 model has free 500kwh worth of charging
Let me guess, select drive mode S.
I think the Hot Topic for all EVs except Tesla is if it still has the CCS charge port or the NA/Tesla charge port.
I sold my EV just after the announcement of automakers adopting the Tesla plug because I didn’t want to deal with the hassle of an adaptor.
Exactly ... one of the reasons I got rid of my Ioniq 5 EV. Why limit yourself?
CCS chargers will still be available, and my charging experience on them has been fine. Have you seen reviewers use the adapter on the Ford Mach-E? It's not even a big deal.
Resistive heat for the cabin? No heat pump?
It's an option
Guys I love your reviews. But why Tesla Y is not on your list? Tesla is way above all EVs within 50-55K budget
Because buying a TeZla = enriching Putin-loving, Trump-supporting Musk.
Tesla starts rattling after a while and there is no fix.
Do not want the glass roof, more weight than metal.
And still I want buttons .... I have a Golf Alltrack wish for more of that.
How do you feel about drum brakes on the rear wheels
With regen braking they hardly ever get used. The drums form a good sealed compartment so that the original brakes will last the life of the car.
@@pietwandelaar1743 I had an early Prius with disc front, drums rear, sold it at 146,000 miles, the original brakes had 50% remaining.
At least you don’t have the horrid separate arm rest they’re so unappealing
I wanted to trade in my 23 kia sportage for the id4. I just test drive the id4 Pro S AWD but it only had a 209 range and they wanted mid $46k after the 7500 rebate and to me I didn't think it was worth it for such a small range
You must have driven a previous model year because I have the 2024 version of that model, and my real world city driving range for this car is over 300 miles with a full battery. I hardly ever need to charge it to more than 70%
In Canada, the VW ID.4 RWD (62 kWh) starts at $51,220 CAD, S RWD (62 kWh) $53,720 CAD, Pro RWD (82 kWh) $55,720 CAD, Pro S RWD (82 kWh) $58,220 CAD, Pro AWD $60,720 CAD and Pro S AWD $63,220 CAD. Sooooo...all this money for software & updates on a large computer with wheels?
Yes.
Not all vehicles are for all people.
Have you ever driven an EV? Have you considered reduction in operating costs? Have you done any research at all? 58% of vehicles sold in China are EVs, likewise in some other euro countries. It will happen here too.
so a 260 Mile range probably mean 150 range in real life? as much as this costs, it should have better seats and tech
Me like
Your add with the 2 kids ...screaming and making noise...inside and outside the house.....its ANNOYING!! ..we in the real life....we are living this day in and out...with noisy neighbors and kids...so NO DOESNT MAKE ME WANT TO BUY ONE.
The EV equivalent of white bread
SMILE! 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Why VW when the Model Y is similarly priced? 😅
ID.4 Pro S AWD which includes tow hitch $62195
Model Y AWD + tow hitch $67,288
It's NOT the "Same", Zack! When you go downhill in an electric vehicle, you get some electrons back, IF you are in regenerating mode. You DO NOT get any gas back when you go downhill in a gas powered vehicle!
True generally. Some regeneration occurs if you’re using the brake pedal or cruise control to hold your downhill speed constant. If you’re freewheeling, just letting the car drift, there’s no significant regeneration.
@@billurban1581Regeneration occurs when you take your foot off the accelerator pedal, if you are pressing the brake pedal you’re not going to get any regeneration.
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Why would you buy this over a model 3 or model y ? Over priced.
Design, driver display, comfort, quietness, and sunroof shade.
Edit: Size/Length
Well when Tesla is not even mentioned, you know why
@@rhrh10why does Tesla need to be mentioned? The OP mentioned it in his question. I provided the ID.4s attributes that appealed to me when I rented one and why I put it on my shopping list.
The ID.4 is at the large end of what I want. The Taos is my ideal size.
Because I don’t want to drive a car that looks like a handheld vacuum cleaner.
Because Elon is a bigoted nutbag and proud of it, that's why.
Hardly goes 210 miles with 82 KWH/ RWD. Don’t be fooled
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Get the new Rav4, and this will blow this electric car out of the water. These will be useless in winter, because the range will be half
Go better with Model Y. It is just better in every feature
Ah, yeah, and is the best sold car in the world in 2023 and 2024
And has beaten id4 in Europe - VW mainland....
As common as Corollas, just so boring.
I'd get a Model Y if it didn't come with the Musk bug.
Some of us would like to have a repairable car, thank you very much.
Model Y Not even worth a mention from this video?!
Tesla? 🤮
First.
Toyota only!!
Luv VW but not much anymore. Give us the highest quality German product at a better price like you used to! Too many trips and follies these days. My attention has turned to Hyundai/Kia ... Exciting over there!!
EV sales are cratering worldwide - -
Yet their numbers are up year over year. Hmm.
@@Demobot1 Electric vehicle (EV) sales growth in the U.S. continues to slow, according to sales data analyzed by Kelley Blue Book. In the first quarter of 2024, Americans bought 268,909 new electric vehicles, according to Kelley Blue Book counts. EV share of total new-vehicle sales in Q1 was 7.3%, a decrease from Q4 2023.
Here we go again. EV Propaganda!!!!🤮🤮🤮🤮
@@ferenckaposvari8337 I don't find Zach & Andrea are particularly pro-EV. They review cars people want to buy. Some people want an EV, so they can watch this. Others don't want an EV and that's fine too.
@@Andre-cj3ec The problems are, the not disclose all truth about EV cars. And they don't talk about the bad side of EVs, devaluations of EVs far more than regular cars, the safety issues, repair costs, battery costs, environmental impact of batteries, etc. But since the WEF poppets announced the green agenda, all review channels pushing EVs. With that who bought an EV with their hard earn money loosing far more money and put them in more debt, that is disgusting. Google how much car companies loosing on EV cars, and the government bailing them out on my hard earned money. Government give away billions of tax payer's hard earn money to private car manufacturers.
@@ferenckaposvari8337Define WEF: Something weirdos talk about when they buy defective tin foil hats from Qanon.😂😂
ok love the ID4, i can afford it, but why i would pay the 60k lol, for this price ill take a lot of other cars before the ID4, i really think North America's market is taking us for idiots and are milking us, the worst is its happening case we pay for those cars, even if you can afford it, if we dont buy the over priced cars, not just the ID4 but ioniq5 is another exemple, then they will have no choice but to react
Good for VW! Hope it sells well. Hey VW, it gets cold in Northern USA. Why no heat pump?
I still love my 2021 ProS with 93k miles. It has been a great car for me.
Cheers guys...I would like to see y'all expand your standard review format to go just a little more in depth on the "sound systems" and what you get with the manufacturers "upgarded" systems. (Sometimes you do cover this, but never all times!) I am a total audiophile geek and a mjor consideration with me and cars is how good I can get with auto sound! Classical music is my thing, but all genres benefit. Long road trips are much more bearable with a full orchestra!
Those piano black trim and window switch complaints are extremely minor. It's a great car!
How is the range for this version?
The id4 has a stop sale. Is this is in Canada as well?
Zeekr x7 is miles better.
My dogs thank you for lowering your volume on your bell.
2025 Maverick vehicle of the year ❤🎉
Need 2 more buttons for rear window and separate rear child lock
I've never been bothered by the 2 window switches. If I need the rear windows lowered the people in the back can take care of that.
Not if you have a 5 years old😂, “child lock” disable all rear doors and windows
As a $60K vehicle, it seems really unimpressive all around, with nothing to make it a compelling purchase, UNLESS you insist on buying an EV and also insist that it's a VW.
Hmm idk about that, I actually really like it
drive without shoes one time please
the elephant in the room. How much did VW told you is a new traction battery ? I would like to see every reviewer to query a delearship. “if I were to replace my main battery today how much does your system quote me for this part for this EV ?”
Fair question and let's apply this to ICE vehicles as well.