The Tragedy of Camille Claudel - a Genius who Died in an Insane Asylum - Fickle Fate Series
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- Опубліковано 16 жов 2024
- Talented from youth, inspired by nature, and captivated by love,
Camille Claudel's nuanced portrayals of the human form resulted in certain sculptures that the state and press censored as overly sensual and inappropriate. These circumstances may have contributed to her declining career and mental state.
Sadly, following the end of her long-standing affair with fellow sculptor, Auguste Rodin, Camille's underlying delicacy unravelled and she experienced a psychological breakdown. In 1913, Camille was committed to a mental asylum, where she remained until her death 30 years later. This action was the equivalent of caging a bird, and as Camille could not fly in captivity, she instead became the living embodiment of her pain, a symbol of the destruction of love, existing only in her own despair. Although she died in relative obscurity, interest in her art has grown dramatically, and there is now a National Museum in France dedicated to Camille's life's work.
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My dear friends,
Maybe tragic Camille's fate will touch your heart, as it has mine.
We never know where our destiny lies - but at least today there is greater understanding and compassion for those who suffer from mental illness.
There goes I but for the grace of God.
@@Flamsterette omg
Well said...
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Good luck it will be all good
Presentation of Camille's life was flawless and definitely touched my heart so that I want to know more about her.😍❤
One of my favorite quotes about the subject is "Genius and Madness are neighbors,and they borrow cups of sugar from each other quite often."
Rest easy Camille.
I like that quote.
I think genius people are not mad. The world has used the term "being mad" for the longest time possible to define a category of people or things that they just do not understand. That is where the catch is. It's like moving to a different part of the world, seeing different cultures and communities and terming them as backwards, primitive, rebels or cannibals, just because they do not do things the way you know how they should be done. If you would take time to understand the reasoning behind their way of doing things, which many people don't, then you would have a different perspective of who they are.
@@schoolwork232 reminds me of the actress Frances Farmer Who was psychiatrically hospitalized against her will, given ECT treatments and institutionalized mostly because she was not conforming to the standard of Hollywood. She had a strong personality and resisted.
Jealousy . Her great talent and Daddys adoration .. Iv seen this dynamic of dysfunction in sick families over and over .. one has to 'bad' and so on with the labels and its pathetic .. also see the movie 'Francis' .. jessica lange portrays it well and its also very sad .. RIP you wonderful, brilliant women ..
@@schoolwork232 I think there’s another really good way of looking at it. If you think about it, the brain is really designed to restrict and focus our attention, not to expand it. Even in our society the left brain is more valued than the right brain. the left brain is all about linear thinking and analysis and critical thinking whereas the right one is expansive and artistic and associative thinking. So a baby comes out of the woman’s body is now confronted immediately with an incredible amount of new stimuli that they’ve never been exposed to before. And yet very quickly they calm down and they focus on what? The mother. They are genetically driven to make eye contact withThe mother. This helps with their survival and that’s human survival. And they lock in on the mother and making iContact studying her face to the exclusion of almost everything else. And it just goes from there. We are awarded for focus especially once school starts. So I think somebody who instead has the capacity to perceive vibrations and wavelengths that humans don’t normally perceive or don’t develop, having them can be overwhelming. sometimes the behavior of an autistic personOr the “nonsense speech” of the schizophrenic person it’s either attempts to compulsively control that input as you see with OCD, or they’re just overwhelmed and don’t know how to express what they are experiencing because the human brain is overwhelmed by it. They are in fact more advanced in a certain way because they’re getting other information that we have blocked off or don’t develop in the interest of our survival.
The part that disgusts me is how much she loved her family and how much they betrayed her. They left her. Even after she passed. One day I'm going to visit where she could be and sit a while. She totally didn't deserve this.
When you do tell her hello from Indiana, USA
My thoughts exactly.
I think her family was under that unfortunate believe that females couldn’t be anything so when she projected talents, they became intimidated and possibly jealous eventually throwing her away.
Too bad for that butterfly thingy at the beginning.
Those pesky Anglo-Puritans..
Hats off to you for that
"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein
@IsraelEwton Saving this ^ ty
That quote is very scary and accurate even in today's society
Icehouseist where are you heard those ?
Those quote ?
That has to be one of the most tragic cases of jealousy and neglect of a genius I've ever heard ..... thank you double OO
So glad you enjoyed the presentation - very much appreciated 😊
I am a sculptor. She had a huge influence on me. Her life story is hauntingly tragic. Thank you for making this video. This honors her for the artist and warrior that she was. Blessings on you and yours!
Her family are the ones who should have been locked up. Sad.
They were evil, and even the doctor, he new she was fine, and didn't do more. ☹️
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@@jenniferopdahl4365 translation: She was cute and needed kisses and love.
Horrible!!
So sad that a mother can be so heartless to her own baby girl.
If her mother had Narcissistic Personality Disorder, it's very likely she would've been terribly jealous/envious of Camille's father giving her money to go off and do what she wanted. She could readily have found ways to harm her daughter without appearing to harm her. This sounds exactly like the kind of thing one might see IF her mother had NPD.
That we'll never know.
@@jilliansmith7123 It sounds more like a case of malignant narcissism or even Borderline or Histrionic Personality disorder.
Corinne Buraks: Yes, I agree. Malignant narcissism.
It's not actually an accepted diagnosis, but I would agree with you 100%. I don't know enough to go Borderline or Histrionic, but those are all Cluster B disorders and they say are often quite hard to distinguish--and not even necessary, often. So you hit a home run on that!
@@jilliansmith7123 my mother did the same thing to me. She and my sister have always been very jealous of me. My mother always hid her abuse of me from my own father, the doctor, to the cops, even to the pastor at the youth group I was a part of. My grandparents tried to adopt me and she refused. She did her level best to convince everyone that I'm "troubled" and "difficult". So many refused to get involved or say something. When the psychologist put 2 and 2 together he confronted her. She denied it and called him a "quack". After my grandfather's funeral in 2014, I was disowned. Last year I wrote a long letter detailing her abuse to my father and he is so emotionally and verbally beaten down by her that he is powerless. I keep sending birthday cards, Christmas cards- Not one single word. It's not just heartless. it's akin to soul murder.
Mary Clark: I'm so sorry to hear about all that--and so familiar with it. She's giving you the "Silent Treatment" it sounds like. That's just rotten. I hear you about your dad being helpless. Not only was my dad unable to shield me from her, he, himself was also abusive. She would provoke him unitl he attacked me...frequently. Weird.
I don't have much except sympathy for you--and to say the more you can go "No Contact," the better it will be for you. The day you can truly let her go will be the first day of the rest of YOUR life. You have to honor your own life, and I expect that's been rare indeed. You deserve so much better than what you've gotten from your family. My deepest regards.
She was locked away for madness? Her mother obviously never shared her love of art and in pushing her luck in a Male dominated environment. She portrayed the art of her heart and she clearly was heartbroken and let down by her lover and mother. Being creative since I was born Its weird how I felt some kind of understanding and compassion and connection to this beautiful amazing women. Thank you for introducing Camille to my UA-cam. I am inspired by her now during lockdown thank you again for bringing this story to my ears and heart.
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Yes, her mother naver ever visited her in that asylum. And she banned any letters, only brother Paul's letters were allowed to reach Camille, so i guess the mother was afraid that other people would make Camille understand that she was heavily gaslit. They destroyed Camille immediately after her father's death.
I have made a lifetime project of studying Camille’s life, named my youngest daughter after her, done sketches of her, and recently began a new collection of art, beginning with a painting reflecting on the whole of her life. She haunts me and I am so pleased to see someone honoring her. I feel that I knew her... that part of her is still with me. I cannot explain why- but I was excited to see that you had put this piece together. Thank you for not depicting her as a lunatic, as many have. She was so much more than anyone ever understood.
Thank you for your very kind feedback Barbara - much appreciated :)
I would never think of depicting Camille as a lunatic my friend, I also feel total empathy for her....all these years.
I am in the process of doing research for a screenplay about her life would love to have you to reach out to if possible for more insight into her from another person's eyes, especially someone who seems to admire her as you do.
It is truly sad when a person dies and there are no relatives or close kin to keep the memory of that person alive. TY for keeping Camille alive and honouring her. I cared for 2 spinster sisters about 25 years ago until the death of the eldest nearly 17 years ago. Ethyl and Winifred, or Wyn, were, according to their father, the progeny of a French mistress and the Duke of Bedford. He would have been born around the middle of the 18th century. They told me that their father could describe the nursery, but eventually he and his mother were forced to leave the estate, though exactly why was not made clear.He was well into his 50's when he, George Guiroard, his mother's last name, met a young impressionable woman called Ruth and filling her head with stories of the money they would have and servants at their beck and call, convinced her to marry him and flee to Australia. She then found out that it all had been an outrageous lie, and she lived in poverty with a man who suffered episodes of madness and bore 4 children, Ethyl, two son's who did not survive their birth then Wyn, who was so small she fit into a shoe box and needed regular care from a Dr for her whole life. There is much more to tell, but my arm is killing me and I can't continue, but my point was that nobody wants to be totally forgotten. These people had lives before us and we honour their name by referring to their furniture, which I inherited, as "Ethyl's cabinet" or "Wyn's cupboard" so that, at least for a while, their memory remains!
Fond of Camille, thank you.
@@made-line7627 wow u are amazing I loved reading about the sisters story thru your lips and fingers thank u so very much
She was an absolute genius . She surpassed Boucher and Rodin by far . I truly believe that Rodin kept her under his wing because he was threatened by her talent . While some may say that Rodin influenced her work in my opinion I think it was the other way around . If you look at his work from "The Gates Of Hell " onwards it became so much more audacious. It is impossible for a true artist to separate their personal life from their work and I so understand her destroying some of her work out of sheer frustration. Doing commissioned work can be extremely frustratingly restrictive. I hate saying this but has she been a man her work would of been so much more financially viable . It is tragic that as a society we couldn't look passed this , not even her own family . She loved and worked passionately and in the end it wasn't appreciated. In my opinion Rodin' s attempt to help her was born out of guilt for his part in exploiting her talent. It angers me that her genius was laid to waste because of the selfishness of those who were supposed to support and nurture her.
Sorry Oddie, This one really gets to me . I remember studying her work years ago . I need to brush up . The presentation was simply brilliant. Thank you so much for awarding her the respect she so rightly deserved .
Did the dude try to somewhat help her in the end or did he just want to get more of her ideas?
I think the 'family' helped to keep her in by paying off the 'doctors' to keep her in.
Jane Austen had to write under a pseudonym.
Read the book Naked Came I. It's Rodin's biography and his affair with Camille was described there in detail. It will give you a better understanding of what their relationship with each other was like.
@@ghostcityshelton9378 I think Rodin actually loved her. She was somewhat his muse. Read Rodin's biography Naked Came I. It tells the story of Rodin's affair with Camille in great detail. When Camille was sent to the asylum Rodin was heartbroken and I think I cried! Such a waste of a great talented young artist...
LAM 101 jealousy is a cruel cruel hand
Oh... this was heartbreaking. The way they treated people with mental illness back then was criminal and inhuman. And for Camille, who was simply headstrong and independent, and not mentally ill whatsoever, to be forced to live in a place filled with such despair and isolation would certainly drive someone mad! AND to have that be done to you by your family!!!! Oh, I can't even. I won't ever forget Camille, just as I won't ever forget the people you feature in your videos, like The Collyer Brothers or Evelyn Nesbit. I learn so much from you, Oddie, I can't even tell you how much. I am going right over to your patreon page, I think you are wonderful and amazing and magic.
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Don't forget that people back then thought that kind of treatment was right and would cure mental illness.
As for Camille, she had the sensitive nature of a true artist and with Rodin on her back the emotional overload was just too much. It was devastating!
@Raven Poe TRUTH!!! I took a look at the list of "conditions " that could and often did, get a woman sent to such a place. They include menstruation, reading too much, and even sexual contact with her husband. No joke!! He could have his wife committed if he felt she enjoyed relations too much!! Those aren't even the worst ones, and makes me so happy to have been born in a different time. I cant even imagine... Electric shock, hypothermia baths, lobotomies, that is some pretty terrifying stuff right there.
@@saymyname2417 It truly was sad, yes. And scary. To think that torture was "cutting edge science " would be a joke if it weren't so terrifying!!
@@esmeraelillywing612 - Well, people had no idea how to cure or at least handle such "cases" and it wasn't even clear what a "case" was. Plus, technology was new. So very basically, they experimented on humans hoping it would have a positive effect. But these methods are more fit for MK Ultra where - I am sure - they are still being used.
Another example of a Female talent the world hasn't heard of. Judging by her style of work, she was the real inspiration and influence that made Rodin famous. She obviously would not be recognized or acknowledged by the art world because she was a woman. My heart bleeds for the life she ultimately lived. Thank you again for this video.
All of us (women) ultimately live this same life. Cry for us all.
Camille Claudel is well-known in France.
But living life as an artist has always been a difficult path.
Hypersensitivity has always been considered "suspicious" by the masses, and your paycheck is not constant.
@@goofygrandlouis6296 so right re hypersensitivity...
Dummies r shallow threatened by insight, honesty, depth
@goofygrandlouis6296 Camille is mostly celebrated for her relationship with Rodin in France.
@lavinder11 which is a travesty, she should be recognised in her own right.
I read about Rodin’s life in “Naked Came I”, and Camille was only mentioned in passing, Rose was the focus in that version. Thank you for bringing Camille out of the shadows. The poor woman....the loss of all that talent......
"Naked Came I" is a really bad book. There are much better books on Rodin, which include at length his reationship with Rose and with Camille. They were both very important to him. albeit in different ways. He was surprisingly loyal.
@@michaeljohnangel6359 He never married Rose or publicly or legally acknowledged their son! He started an affair with Camille when she was a teenager and he was, I believe over 40, and refused to marry her even after he got her pregnant! I know it was a different time but I would never call that LOYAL!
amanda miller I think it is a lost concept on most people.
You are so right. Am sure many women will have been disregarded and all the praise given to men.So sad
I feel this man used her,he broke her spirit also...
The blinking of her eyes and movements she made in the end....got me because I was staring at her picture 😲....very good touch 👍
Yes what was that?
I noticed some movement of her portrait somewhere earlier in the video. Was it from a film strip?
It seems many male and female talented or gifted persons go through hell on earth!
At the end watching her blinking her eyes to look so sad. What a beautiful girl she was
Freaks me out lol
Damn bruh if I didn’t read this comment I wouldve watched the video. Now I’m freaked out
@@shorx9199 yeah it's freaky
Unfortunately it was all too common, to take the “black sheep” of the family, and have a judge commit them to an asylum.
Excellent photo editing...the slight head movement, the eyelids and brow movements...it gives the effect of seeing the person as if they’re right in front of you, while wearing sepia-tone sunglasses.
How horrible. When I heard that part of this vid I could easily imagine my greedy siblings and narcissistic mother doing that to me - as I'm the only one who's called them out on their outrageous behaviors. I've always had to hide any emotions, sickness, and weakness from my mother and siblings. It takes a toll on one, but better than being forced into an asylum just to not share a measly inheritance! Poor Camille.
@Olivia Bordley So sorry, if I'm assuming correctly, you had a similar experience. Onward and upward....
Thanks to all
yes even the Queen has a 'hidden misfit locked away , she never visits her
This happened to Rosalind Kennedy as well - she was lobotomized despite her protests. Such a horrible fate.
Presented tastefully, with empathy and compassion. I enjoyed the commentary afterwards. Well done. Thank you.
Thank you very much for your kind feedback - much appreciated :)
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Wow! This genius was born into wickedness under the guise of family. 30 yrs! They imprisoned this lady...just awful. Thanks for bringing her out of obscurity.
Amazing ,some of the most wonderful ,beautiful people get treated the worst.
I think her family were jealous of her success and talent. Women were committed to the asylum for the simplest reasons back then unfortunately. Thank you again for another wonderful video. They are truly labours of love ❤️❤️❤️
They may have also been jealous of her father's support of her wonderful talent
she was probably and unknowingly an heiress or something... that is the only logic i can see.. perhaps her family wanted to rip her off from an inheritance or bequeathment a patron had setup for her... if she never know, then once she was committed her family could have secretly acquired what was supposed to have been hers.
@@georgeholman3294 highly likely so very sad but her sculptures live on
Poor Camille was so cruelly abandoned and shut away by her family. She was heart broken by Rodin whom she loved. No wonder she went into a deep depression. She did not deserve her cruel fate. She was an extraordinarily, gifted sculptor. Her work was magnificent. Love the life like effect of her image at the end. Such beauty of spirit. Thanks for the upload. 👍
So glad you enjoyed the presentation - very much appreciated 😊
What a horrible family she had! Her work is very unusual but so striking. Thank you for this wonderful video.
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"Doctors tried telling her family she wasn't insane"
Damn, props to that doctor. Even in the 21st century, if you literally booby trapped your home for no real reason, that would make psychiatrists concerned.
There’s nothing wrong with wanting to be alone. Setting a bunch of empty cans to make noise is hardly a reason to be put away. If you made man traps that’s a different story.
She just wanted people to realize how hurt she was. To understand how she felt. She was an artist.
Her family obviously didn’t care. And maybe were even jealous.
Think about it. The money they spent to keep her there could have been used to help her career.
The doctor didn’t think she was crazy. People’s pride. That’s crazy. Putting someone away because you are embarrassed. Wow. Or jealous. Sounds rather Munchausen.
Or maybe, as she had financial problems, her studio might have been in a rough area. She DID live alone...
HORRIBLE TO Have endured this tragedy at the hands of her "family"?
There is always a reason though 🤷🏻♀️
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May her dearly departed soul rest in peace.May perpetual light Shine on her forever .
My prayer, too 💔
Only if she was forgiven her sins by Christ. Love her work, though, simply fabulous! Horrific, what was done to her 😔.
I think you are right about Rodin and Camille's relationship. That is probably why he would not split with his girlfriend and marry Camille. Even in today's time, there are some men that would never want a woman to move ahead of him and get the credit.
Camille wasn't insane. To be sure, though, her mother and brother killed her. They deserved a cruel end, not her. They abandoned her, they let her suffer, all because she didn't live within their confines of normality.
Great video, Oddie!
Galena Silveroak I depict jealousy on her family’s part. Not all family is supportive of success and individuality
Help me
Well at the end of the day she went down in history and no one cares about them. So she won.
So many talented people end up like this. Sometimes you are thinking about your art, and forget about everyday activities; like housework. In Camille's century to not clean house and being female was a social excommunication. I was told if l could clean, l would have had been married years ago. So the female as house cleaner is still a must for women who want to be married. Man l thought we had a sexual revolution over things like this. If you are female the old rules must still apply. To have someone as special as Camille in your family, l would have cleaned her house and helped her. Then Camille could have made more sculptures, and lived a better life. Sticking her in a mental hospital was an insult to Camille's talent, and her rite to be the person who she was. And it still happens today. 🍀💜🌹🍀💜🌹🍀💜🌹🍀💜🌹🍀💜🌹🍀💜🌹🍀💜🌹🍀💜🌹🍀💜🌹🍀💜🌹🍀💜🌹🍀💜🌹🍀💜🌹🍀💜🌹🍀💜🌹🍀💜🌹🍀💜🌹🍀💜🌹🍀💜🌹🍀💜🌹🍀💜🌹🍀
Thank you for Highlighting my comment. My life has mirrored Camille's. So many people have been pushing me to marry someone who is not a good match. I am to be his care taker, yet l need help to. So he is my charge, and l am once again less than. To live to take care of others, and note develop my talents. This is why so few women to this day, are on their own path. But it is better than Camille's time, but we can improve as an society. I am not believed and friendless. This situation breaks my heart, and l have helped so many people. People who are my friends untill they get back on their feet, and then disappear. I am who l am. It's my turn now.😇😇😇😇😇🦄🦄🦄🦄😇😇😇😇😇🦄🦄🦄🦄😇😇😇😇😇🦄🦄🦄🦄😇😇😇😇😇🦄🦄🦄🦄😇😇😇😇😇🦄🦄🦄🦄😇😇😇😇
Once again I have been mesmerised by the story and your voice. Your videos are always a great time in my life. Please stay with us and keep telling us your stories. Keep up the great work. 😘💕❤
Honestly whoever narrates these should narrate everything on Yesterday (except time team bc Tony Robinson)
She was one of the most talented artists of all time. I am an artist and am floored by her work. I've seen the Gates of Hell and it is otherworldly. I didn't know she worked on it with him. Thank you for a lovely video about her. It should be a crime what they did to her! So terribly sad!
Can't believe she never married. A highly intelligent and beautiful woman imprisoned for 30 years after an incredible career? What a depressing story. Thank you for providing such a powerful life story.
So glad you enjoyed the presentation - very much appreciated 😊
Marriage for an intellectual woman such as her in those days would has been just as much an encroachment on her creativity as putting her in an asylum was. She was willing to marry someone who shared her passion AND encouraged it, but even that didn't work.
@@theoscout9205Wasn’t she in a straight relationship though?
Thank you, first time i know of her through you. Blood relatives can be worse than strangers.
I know my blood relatives are evil. I've been disowned by my entire family for 20 + years. They didn't understand me nor my lifestyle.
Ivy Roldan The sad part is this can be true.
I have been more mistreated in my life by my bio family then I have ever been by any stranger I've ever met. My parents are gone now. My mother had 3 sons before giving birth to me. We are all by the same father but I do not claim them as my brothers, I call them my mother's sons. They were physically abusive and always disrespectful to me and I do not love them. I do not even care about them at all. I'm alone now because my husband passed away in 08 after 28 yrs of marriage and we were together for 32 yrs. I consider him my only family and I miss him still.
@@humongousfungusamongus3871 Me to Kat, my family used me as a scapegoat all my life, its only now that Ive got away from them after they swindled £20.000 from me, and hope I never see them again, hope they all go to hell for what they did,
@@admiralackbar9307 - What a coincidence! My mother stole $20,000 - $25,000 from me as well. Then she told my entire family that I stole all that $ from her!! And my entire family, aunts, uncles, cousins, nieces, nephews, old family friends, CHOSE to disown me as well! Without hearing MY side (the truth) of the story! And just 8 months ago, a cousin of mine that I was extremely close too growing up, got a hold of me via FB, & begged me for my forgiveness. She was crying hysterically, begging me, pleading with me. But I know that she didn't want forgiveness to ease MY troubled heart! She wanted it to ease her own troubled heart! And my mother is using my son to try to get me too forgive her as well. Again, not for me but for her own selfishness! It's been 20 + years since I've seen, heard from ANY family member, so why now?! Why do they want me back in their lives NOW?! I say I can go another 20 + years without seeing or talking too them! They humiliated me!! Repeatedly!!! I'm better off without ANY of them!!
She was a beautiful woman..
Sadly l believe her demise was giving her heart , her love , her soul to the wrong man....
May she rest in peace !
A sword many fall upon !!
She was half his age and he used her body and her talent. Sorry but what a creep.
@@danarzechula3769 fully agree,however a century later we still fall into this worm hole !
Amen 🙏🏾
@@danarzechula3769 he continued to support her, even after they stopped being intimate (that stopped when she had an abortion). They remained close friends for years until she started to lose her mind and accuse Rodin of stealing her ideas.
This just made me furious. Her family essentially sentenced her to death, for such a fate is almost worse than death, because she embarrassed them. I’ve witnessed blood relatives grossly misuse their status as legal next-of-kin for their own selfish purposes during my career as a nurse and it always sickened and enraged me (saving that disgust hidden until I was off duty, of course!) I could never get my head around how anyone could treat someone they were supposed to love that way. The injustice of it still makes my blood boil.
Yet Paul her brother that she love so much abandoned her there never came back for her...she was amazing but it seem like her family took her money to get rid of her
Debbie Hund While I was watching this video regarding what her family sentenced Camille to essentially for being different and embarrassing them, the fate of Rose Marie (Rosemary) Kennedy came to my mind. She was the Kennedy daughter who acted different so Joseph Kennedy had her lobotomized and hidden away for her entire remaining life. Horrifying.
Cheshire Grin I agree. Rosemary Kennedy’s story is heartbreaking. The fact that Joe Kennedy unilaterally made the decision to subject Rosemary to that lobotomy is especially egregious. It was shameful.
Saddddd....so true. Family...Not right
Same here. Nursing burns you out quickly!! We are witnesses to WAY too much.
There was a French movie that came out about 20 years ago about Camille Claudel and it was really dramatic and really good, although I don’t know if it was completely tied to the facts of her life. I also had the good fortune of visiting the Rodin museum,Which is certainly worthwhile. I always thought her sculptures, often very small, miniatures, unlike lover Rodin’s massive sculptures, were more beautiful, and she had the greater talent. It is truly tragic what her family did to her. I always thought that Rodin was her downfall, but apparently it was her immediate family that threw under the bus.
What a tragic story. You have come up with another masterpiece. I do feel that she was particularly punished as a woman who did not want to march to the same drum. She may have been called paranoid, but they were definitely out to get her.
Cheers
Pat
What a sad ending for a genius.
You know, that sure seems to happen a lot though (and it's certainly a familiar trajectory for child prodigies!) Look at Bobby Fisher; the "Unabomber" Ted Kozinski [sic?]; Leopold and Loeb bonded because they were both exceptionally young college students.. And I think that forcing the mantle of "Most Likely to Succeed" upon ANYONE has got to be a cruel jinx on that person's future. When you start off so well, where is there to go but down? ~ I do not know what sorts of activities were offered at this sanitarium, but I agree that forced idleness would be truly stultifying. Still, a person finds ways to fill her days, even when life is a bitter disappointment. My own life has been a little bit like that- albeit to a lesser extent- and I keep finding reasons to stick with it. It must have been some comfort to Camille that her friends did not forget her or her works, and that they still came, still fought for her. So, at the end, at least she was not lost. *I sometimes have wondered: How many works have been lost, brilliant people undiscovered, for their lack of luck or of a patron or champion-? (After all, the "Darger Scrolls" were discovered after the artist's death; "A Confederacy of Dunces" was published because the author's sister, I think it was, saved the manuscript after his suicide.) So, although its ending sounds too very long- and sad- and stuck(!)- it is good that we at least are able to know that Camille once lived.
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I'm so proud of her, when he offered help, she stood her ground, maybe prideful, maybe stubborn, it's also raising your bar and holding on to her integrity and I so FEEL IT, ugh.
Thank you for telling all these ppl’s stories . I have never heard of so many of them . There is so much junk on youtube. These kinds of channel that are informative and entertaining are just wonderful. Many of these ppl’s stories would be lost . Your bringing them back to life . Everyone wants their story told and to be remembered. This channel is a real gem on UA-cam .
Thanks for your kind feedback Becky, great compliment - much appreciated :)
I am sure if Camille could talk she would say, "Thank You"! for telling her tragic story.
Thank you for those kind words Roxanne - very much appreciated.
I am so thankful that I have a family and friends that love and support me. I have struggled with depression and anxiety for years. I have gotten help and have learned to cope. Mental illness is something people can not deal with alone. A strong support system helps people. She had that ripped away when her father passed. Discarded by the rest of her family in an asylum is so cruel. Thankful she is now at peace and reunited with her father on the other side I'm sure.
Sending love and best wishes to you. I hope you gain peace in your mind and heart with the loving support of your family. I know how horrible mental illness, mental pain, mental torture is. Healing is slow but possible in many cases. I send love to you and everyone who is suffering. I'm always willing to chat to anyone who needs to. Xxx
You're not alone. I'm 37 and just now coming to terms with it all. For years I thought I was crazy and hid it all, even from relatives who suffer from it. Depression and anxiety are so deceptive and make us question ourselves constantly.
Many people who are called "mentally ill" are in fact NOT mentally ill. They are dealing in a normal way with abnormal circumstances. Cruelty, isolation and abuse doesn't make one mentally ill. Those who do those things to people are mentally ill.
It’s amazing that some of the most tortured souls are often so talented. Her family is disgusting for doing that to her. And it’s ridiculous that during that time people could just lock you away without evaluation. Truly a sad story.
Your voice is amazing for these stories!
Wow, thank you!
@@betacam235 man shut up not everyone can fluently speak french
It really is!
@@betacam235 Again, shut up.🙄
@@ObsoleteOddity I actually heard you say that 🤭
My day is made now that Oddie has uploaded! Thank you for keeping me company while I'm stuck at work! 🖤
Camilles story is unhumanly,cause the family did that to her.They let her rott in the asylum,and her beloved brother live in pur luxury and didnt give a shit about her,but she loved him so dearly till her last day on earth.This is one of my favorite storys for now over 20 years,first time I see her live in a beautiful film with Isabelle Adjani and was fascinated till today.I bought a lot of books about the story,its heartbreaking.Pure evil is her mother ,but her brother was not better. Dear Oddi, I love your films,and your voice in it.Thank you so much.Greetings from lake Konstanz in Germany.
Sir, you have such a sympathetic touch for your subjects and unlike many narrators on UA-cam your pronunciation of names and words are so very accurate, eloquent and well-researched I find myself once again dreading any subsequent video documentaries I may be curious to view! So many other narrators are worse butchers than Vlad Tepes, Jack the Ripper and Toxic Contamination combined!
Blessings upon you, ad infinitum ;)
Thank you for the very kind feedback and wonderful compliment Scott - much appreciated :)
It strikes me that Rodin felt threatened by a gifted woman who in all likelihood made him feel challenged. Therefore, he opted for an easier path with a typical girl, which drove Camille nuts 🤯
Disagree.
Rodin kept financing her, even after their affair ended.
It's Camille's *brother* who felt threatened. + the horrible mother of course (locking your own flesh and blood away, yiaks).
I can't believe hrt family got away with that...
@@kimadams1965 Women had close to zero rights in those days.
Poor Camille! Was an absolute tragedy, and such a shame she was born out of time😢
How unfortunate she wasnt born in a time of social decadence.
@@Bob-fz7pd it has always been a time of social decadence. Do you think it was better to live when racism was rampant, women had no rights and children had to work from the age of 7?
How many people we don’t even know about whose genius gifts were stifled since time immemorial? These accounts always make me think.
Chris Trinder She was ‘really’ born at the right time for her - no mistakes . This is how life and people are - in one ‘form or another’ .
How families used yo treat females who didn't conform.
Shame on them.
Sweet P, they still do - my mother's side of the family did similar things to me not so long ago.
Yes reminds me of the Kennedy family and how they treated Rosemary (I think her name was) Kennedy. Put her in an asylum and allowed doctors to perform a lobotomy her because she was 'rebellious'.
@@marciaannedonahue463 thats awful!
They often covered up “different” offspring because it could hinder the marriage prospects of the others.
Alas they still do, with zero verification needed, it should make the world stop I feel
Oh, Camille, I wish you peace of rest. Your poor heart. I'm so sorry this happened to you. Blessings.
I hope her mother and siblings feel nothing but agony for the pain they put her thru. May she rest easy
Heartbreaking story. I was so concentrated listening to the story that when I saw blinking in the first photograph I thought it was my imagination . Scared the life out of me
Lmao me too
Same here, lol!
Me too 😂
Me three!
So funny I was sitting in my room in the dark. When I saw that picture. May God bless me.
What a beautifully told story. How sadistic that her family could do this to her. She always looked sad or lost in pictures of her. Again well done Oddie.
I don't understand how they could commit her, if her doctors said she wasn't insane... So sad.... Thanks for all you do Oddie!
Because a family member said she was and that's all it took at the time. It was quite easy to have a family member committed, or rather, quite easy to have a female family member committed.
I think at the time there was no understanding of mental illnesses at all. Either you were a rabid lunatic or you weren’t. I guess what the doctor meant was she wasn’t a lunatic but clearly she wasn’t totally sane either. She had issues, that much was clear. Her reclusion, her paranoia against other...may be today she would has been diagnosed as suffering of anxiety and/or chronic depression but at the time there was just one umbrella, insanity.
Women & children were chattel then and still are to some extent more and less in places all over the world.
How? ENVY.
Her blinking at the end (good touch btw) looks like she’s blinking back tears. It makes me tear up...
Hello, Oddy! Two years ago, at a conference carried out by the French Society of Psychopathology of Expression and Art Therapy, there was a presentation about the life, the work and the suffering of Camille Claudel. There is a part of her personal story, during the last ten years of her relationship with Rodin, that is not well known and not very clear, but she had written to Paul that she had been obligated to abort Rodin's baby. There is record of this in the book "Camille Claudel" written by Paul's granddaughter, Reine Marie Paris. There is also the book "Le Dossier Camille Claudel" written by Jacques Cassar. Unfortunately I'm not sure if these exist in other languages than french. If I remember well, this coincided with a period during which she had "disappeared" for a while, and there is actually the hypothesis that she might have also had a miscarriage of another baby she had conceived while with Rodin, outside of the abortion that I mentionned above. Paranoïa was the diagnosis, but in reality it was probably depression and outright anger that caused the crisis and dissociation which subsequently "got her commited". She had spent 23 years of her personal life in a relationship with her maître (translated equally as "teacher" or "master"), Rodin, a man who did not and would not commit to her emotionally and would not give her the child she wanted (DIEGUEZ, S. , 1999, CERVEAU & PSYCHO N° 30). And at the same time, at least ten years of her artistic life, having her work constantly compared to his works and/or being accused of recopying her own, even though in reality the recurring faces or postures were merely her need to 'work on her work", using different materials and different techniques.
So yes, there is this supplementary element of tragedy regarding her life. Some of her works have been allegedly been connected to these periods of maternal bereavement and heartbreak, but unfortunately I don't seem to have noted them during the conference that I mentionned at the beginning. Sorry for that!
Best regards from Paris!
Thank you for this information - much appreciated.
Best regards from Zürich!
Well that's more depressing on a depressing story. Poor girl
@@ObsoleteOddity Gorgeous name, and thank you for the tragic information 😔
Thank you for this addition to an already wonderful biographical piece .. i was wondering about children...shame the genius wasn't carried on...
This is the first time I listen to one of your stories and it made me cry, she was betrayed by love from her ex lover and her family, no wonder why she was paranoid in thinking the world was against her! 😞
It made me cry too, she was a genius!
Jealousy and cruelty of one's family can be truly inhumane. A very sad story. Thank You for giving me an art education and something profound to think about. I am thankful for the videos you do show me and am very grateful. Please be well and God Bless You, Your lovely wife, puppy and kitty. Mark, Bemidji, MN. USA. ;)
Watching as those old photos come to life with motion is eerie.
I love that!!
Thank you for such a beautiful telling of the life of such a beautiful soul.
Wow! She stayed with him for 10 years and he just wanted two lovers. Poor girl never had a chance to have her own family.
Camille should have left that two timing "CHISELER"!
@@misterwhitman4368 Good One!
Carla W it was her choice
Typical. But he was "livin' the dream"! Why leave the wife when you can have BOTH? (Still, the damned-if-you-do ,.. professional implications for a female artist, had she accepted his $$ later, is obnoxious, as I'm sure THAT- the fear that her work might be taken less seriously, or be viewed as less legitimate, had a former lover been supporting her throughout her endeavors- was what REALLY kept her from accepting his financial help. That, and maybe the fact that his offering to help at all was a thinly-veiled insult to her dignity: a sort of 'consolation prize' to the woman who was good enough to sleep with but not good enough to marry.)
Misery loves company ... the mom and brother sounds like they were jealous of her talents ! Once father died then they set out to make sure she was locked up for good ! How tragic !
Such genius such sadness for this poor woman your telling of her life makes her live on THANKYOU
So much waste of talent, and all the artists we must never even get to see!
Wow!! Thank you so much!! This is further proof that sometimes family is poisonous. It’s okay to leave these toxic people, in my opinion. Such a tragic life for such a gifted woman. ❤️
Another stupendous video! Loved them all. Thanks for posting.
Oh my goodness.....so sad.....I have just discovered your channel. Thank you for bringing these people back to the forefront. Women were treated so utterly appalling back then. I hope her descendants realise how awful the family treated her. Never forgotten....
I really appreciate your positive feedback - thank you very much :)
Great job as always Oddie....Ms. Claudel's brother went on to become a poet, diplomat, and family man. He passed in 1955. Ms. Claudel's great niece, I believe, went on to honor her by opening 'The Musée Camille Claudel'.
Casting out one’s child is an abomination. Victorian convention and organized religion caused her family to shun her. I can’t imagine a creative talent such as Camille wasting away in that dank, dark, shabby cell, but I feel fortunate to enjoy the gifts she left behind. I believe her spirit is pleased w/your tribute. Thanks for the upload. 🦋
Yes. She was a brilliant, talented free thinker. It's a shame her family couldn't accept her for who she was.
@@The_Whimsical_Stenographer It is truly sad. I wish we had the understanding we do today back then. So many lives could have been changed for the better.
I read the Kennedys in USA were so ashamed of their daughter who was mentally ill they allowed experiment operations on her n it made her worse. So they then just locked her away in asylum n never visited......n that was in the 1950/60"s...says alot about them also as a family unit!!!
@@Louis-si4ci This is the first I known of such, but I’m not surprised, particularly in a family of means and notoriety. If true, it’s a gotdamn shame. Casting away your own flesh and blood goes against the laws of nature, the Supreme Being, and conventional wisdom. How could one do such a thing to their own? I’ll never understand. Never.
Yet it was her sexual relationship which left her empty and lost. Irony
Excellent (but tragic) story and video., I like the way you made the photos come to life. Keep up the good work !
Yes that caught me off guard for sure but definitely cool 😂
Chilled me to the bone. What I like best about this channel is that each tale is based on a true story.
To those contemplating becoming a Patreon supporter for Oddie, please, please do! I’m a Patreon supporter and Oddie is very attentive to his supporters. The work and attention to detail that goes into his videos is obvious. You won’t regret supporting his work!
Thanks for your very kind feedback and fantastic support Debbie - very much appreciated :)
Your 100% again! Your features are as always well done and appreciated.
Two videos released so close together! What a perfect start to the new year. Loved the video on Patreon and this new one here on UA-cam were both just brilliant. The tragic story of Camille was perfectly done. Such a beautiful soul destroyed by horrid family members. Thanks for the great work yet again Oddie.
Thank you so much for these productions. I enjoy them so much. I also appreciate your excellent diction and absence of obscenities.
Glad you like them! Thanks for your very kind feedback Pat - much appreciated :)
Genius always seems to come with a heavy price to pay, whatever that cost may be. I wouldn't wish her fate on anyone, but without people like her, we can't really see how high people can really fly.
This is my second post ever in my youtube history but your video on Camille Claudel moved me and made me emotionally invested in her autobiography. Such pain she experienced throughout her life. Thank you obsoleteoddity for introducing me to her.
Thank you for the very kind feedback Tammy - much appreciated :)
Very sad but thank you for covering this. No doubt she asked herself "who will remember me when I'm gone?" Now by covering her story you have favorably answered that.
Much appreciated - thanks for your positive feedback :)
What a heartbreaking story. The people in her life crushed her spirit,and destroyed her life and works. Tragic story, but beautifully told. Another great video, sir. Thank you for all your hard work. :)
Thanks for your very kind feedback Holly, I appreciate it.
Still happens today.
Nice work. Hope UA-cam isn’t giving you more trouble. I’ve always enjoyed your videos
Poor Camille- hell to be a woman in a time and place when mere hearsay could get you institutionalized for life! I wonder how much of her fate was based upon jealousy and the fear that perhaps SHE was some of the genius behind Rodin's art!
As far as what you might look like, Oddy, I picture a man of mature years, but not elderly, not ugly, nor outstandingly handsome, but with pleasant even features, and an engagingly kind aspect. But of course, I'm projecting,... you've a lovely voice, and I could listen to you telling your tales, forever!
That's a lovely compliment my friend! Thank you for that :)
Cancel Culture on another level. Her situation is so sad...
Voices can be deceiving.
@@goliathtigerfishes What is "Cancel Culture" please? 🤔
@@tourbillon13 calling somebody out per se
This is a case of intelligence meets abject ignorance.
This is a masterpiece. I can never watch it enough. Your voice, the music, the story, the pictures. Perfection.
Wow, thank you!
Great. Thank you for not using a robotic voice for the narration. Wonderful images. Good script & dialogue. This was informative and excellent.
She was a wonderful artist, sculptress and she was an attractive woman. Should be studied in art classes.
Paranoia? More like a broken heart. It seems she is the art equivalent of the terrific writer Colette -- who lived in France around the same time as Camille. I wonder if these two women ever knew each other or if their paths crossed. I think they would have liked each other.
If I were an art teacher I'd definitely include Camille's biography and little documentaries like this as mandatory. Art teachers could restore Camille's legacy. She's is worthy of the honor. I would have enjoyed her company had I lived in that era.
Thanks for the great feedback John - much appreciated :)
Always so happy to see a new story. I have watched all your videos some twice especially the ones you moderate because I love love your voice. God bless you throughout this new year
Bless you Roberta :)
What a beautiful artist. She did not deserve to be put in an assylum. Thank you for bringing this story attention. And that was a nice closing photo you did of her. That was one of a kind.
This was so sad yet so beautifully done. The music was perfect for this sad tale. This is one of my favorites, I was sort of drifting to another time and place.. Thank you
Thanks for your very kind feedback Jan, I appreciate it :)
Out of all your videos I've seen so far, this story brought tears to my eyes. There's no feeling worse then being alone and not love by ones family.
Sir, an AWESOME work from you my friend.
Thank you for sharing.
Much appreciated :)
Beautiful job on your story. Sad to hear that happened to her.
Brilliant video. Terribly sad. Some of us creative types are still misunderstood
Oh sister I completely understand what you're saying. It's just not easy being a lady and being multifaceted as well. It just terrifies males. Philadelphia USA
Your changing voices to address different character is something I really enjoy! This adds to my enjoyment of the stories you tell as a whole!
Thank you very much for your kind feedback Donna, much appreciated :)
Poor baby girl! 😔 life is so unpredictable
How could her family not even claim her body after her death??? Disgusting! The art piece of the children? playing in the underside of the wave is amazing!
What a heart breaking story. She was born in the wrong time. Her father seemed to be the only one there for her. Just sad.
Thank you for another fantastic job Oddie!!
So interesting...and so moving. This beautiful little film will serve as a launch of further research for me. As a female artist who has suffered with severe depression most of my life as well as having been born into an unloving family, this is especially touching for me. Thank you for your work. 💙
So glad you enjoyed the presentation - very much appreciated 😊
Good morning kind sir. Was so happy to see a notification from your channel. Keep them coming! I ALWAYS recommend your channel to others on facebook and to my friends.😊
Get off FB!
What a heart wrenching story. I wonder how many other strong women suffered this tragic fate. Thank you for these wonderful videos. I am using these for educational purposes for my 10 year old who sometimes feels under appreciated.
Thanks for your very kind feedback - very much appreciated :)
One can't help but wonder if her brother wasn't jealous of her success or was it simply she was having an affair causing scandal. Such a waste of talent either way. Thanks for another masterpiece.
+According to Wikipedia he himself had a very long affair with a married woman. She eventually left him for another man and he then married someone else. I doubt that it was jealousy - but that is my own conclusion after reading about him.
Such a sad and tragic story. Her family obviously had no love for her. At least she had it from her dad.
One of the reasons that a woman could be committed to an asylum was disagreeing with her husband. In those days, the law didn’t require any proof of mental illness. It was accepted that if a husband decided to commit his wife to a mental asylum, he could do so. Camille was seen by a doctor posing as a salesman, and he agreed that she was insane.
in the 1800s, there were more than 120 asylums, housing around 100,000 people. Most of these places were described as “a place of confinement and a loss of hope,” and visits from outside doubted that any cures were possible in them.
Anyone who complained that they were being committed for reasons other than mental illness had their remarks noted as just another clarification that they were, in fact, “deluded”.
Some people were committed for reasons such as“chronic mania”, being “deluded”, “causing domestic trouble,”, “religious excitement”, and “overwork." There is a whole list more I'd like to send you, it's too long to list here.
(Information and list from Mental Health: Ways to be committed.)
www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/true-stories/outrageous-ways-to-be-admitted-to-an-insane-asylum-in-the-19th-century/news-story/e590c54e3469606d1b2330a52c3d8f6b
Thank you, Oddie... This... and all of your stories so far, especially this one, so incredibly sad.
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Indeed this is so. Sadly, my own Grandfather had my Grandmother incarcerated for apparent disobedience.
Glad i wasnt born in that time
Thanx for the info. Explains why multiple family members got a bad rap.
I'm sure the "doctors" who committed inconvenient people were well paid by the families. Just saying...
Such a sad story and a sad fate for a woman with such talent. I love these videos I learn about people and places that I might never have learned if not for you. Thank you so much for enriching my life through your videos.
Been a rough day. Brightened by seeing a video from Oddie!! This story was so sad. I feel her family betrayed her. Thank you for brightening my day.
Thank you for acknowledging Claudel, an almost-forgotten genius. I first learned about her around 19 years ago, fell in love with her work, and agree that her work is superior to that of Rodin. I found an excellent biography of her, one if the treasures of my studio library, kept next to my copy of the autobiography of the great Cecelia Beaux, and the story of her life is heartbreaking. But her genius lives still, however quietly it does so. We remember you, Madamoiselle Claudel. All of us who know you and love the beautiful always will. Be at peace, brilliant woman. We know who you were...and still are.
Lovely words....well said.