they gave me a 90 day suspended sentence ontop of 1 year of probation. my dumbass took it, 2 months in i said fuck it and started smoking weed again, went in for my drug tests, told them im not gonna stop. and boom i got the court date in my mail. taking the probation was a mistake. always take the time. its way easier too do it and get out , without any strings attached. fuck the system do the time. its not that bad.
Depends on the amount of time. I was looking at 45days in or 18mo of probation, I took the time. Other time I was looking at 15mo in or 24 probation, I took the probation, another time I was looking at 13mo or 5yrs probation, I took the 13. I think it just depends on the circumstance.
@@mr.tamales clearly, but that wasn't the point of the video. Also, I have. After I got out from my 13mo I haven't been arrested for any real crime since. I have been arrested a good 3-4 times but they were traffic related and all dismissed, they were careful calculations that actually helped. For instance, I got my license back, but then DMV revoked it because of needing an evaluation(which they didn't tell me and shouldn't have given my license) so I got a DWLR, while getting the eval done they wouldn't continue my case to give me time and had I been convicted they'd have revoked me for another year, so I skipped court, took the FTA, which gave me the 6-8 weeks I needed to get everything done and get my license back, then at court, since they saw my license they dismissed everything. I've changed, I'm no longer involved in trafficking, no longer robbing and stealing, no longer on drugs, in fact im married, have kids, heavily involved in church as well as their sports, completely sober, volunteer with kids and help feed homeless, own my own business, etc... I am proud to say I've gone from being the worst of the worst criminal to an average hard working husband, father, and citizen.
@griffisjm Well shit, I gotta give props where props are due. Good job man 👏 I mean that in all sincerity. I'm glad to hear that things are going well and have turned around. I guess I spoke too soon. 😅
@@mr.tamales I think your comment was right on point, I could have done a lot better at elaborating. I appreciate the kind words. It definitely wasn't easy, and though rare, I still struggle sometimes with thinking about heroin or benzos but its down to once or twice a year. My record(especially the felon thing)has followed me around and made things hard but at the end of the day, im living proof that while far from perfect, we still live in one of the greatest counties on the planet, and if someone is willing to put in the work, change is possible. Have a good one.
I took probation because I didn't want to jump bail. On my first day I was late and the po called me. Asked me if I was coming to see him . I said nope. You're gonna have to work for your money. Long story short. I got away for 11 years. Ended up doing a year in jail when they did catch me.
I got arrested 3 years ago for DUI and possession had a breathalyzer and had to go to probation for a year and a half Just got my breathlizer removed and got my charges dropped
Ya but the prosecutor's discretion and the judges' sentencing guidelines usually determine what you get. In his case what he told his attorney if the prosecutor or judge heard that they'd likely still recommend and give him probation....
Counselor, is it really an "either-or" proposition? Since I've not been convicted, beyond an idiotic "disturbing the peace" charge when I was young, I wouldn't necessarily know how management of minor criminals is being handled. A term, "prison-industrial complex" comes to mind. Is it possible that many minor miscreants, who, in effect, could be given the equivalent of a "spanking" and/or a "timeout", are being sucked into the "system", by being given probation conditions INTENDED for them to fail?
Absolutely. The system is built on recidivism and is designed from the outset to guarantee failure for most people. I was on felony probation for four years for a non-violent petty narcotics offense, and even I struggled to maintain compliance even though I had no issues staying clean. I never dropped a single dirty drug screen and I hardly ever drink to begin with, and unlike most people in such a position I'm not a cannabis user either so that was never an issue from me. The PO I had for the first 2 or so years was this absolutely horrendously miserable bitch who hated her job and hated her clients even more, and to top it off she was married to a cop lol. She was always so venomous every time I came in and was constantly threatening me with revocation for literally nothing. She even put me on a 8pm curfew about 5 months in because my parent's dog bit someone on our property (I was living with them at the time) and the cops were called, and I was referenced in the police report because the officer was merely introduced to me when he came to take the report and talk to my dad. I wasn't even home when the person was bit by the way, and again it's not even my dog. When they say "no police contact" in the supervision requirements, they mean NONE whatsoever. I even got in trouble once for filing a witness statement after witnessing a crime that took place in my pressence that I had absolutely nothing to do with otherwise. I thought I was doing the right thing, but it turns out that almost got me arrested and placed on a 72 hour hold. People have absolutely no idea how fucking broken and twisted the system truly is, or how there's little to no oversight regarding probation agents and the power they hold over people's lives. They can tack on additional charges, issue a warrant for your arrest, or revoke you for literally anything at any time. Hell, they can revoke you if they're simply in a bad mood and you happen to say something they don't like or if they just don't like your friggin' haircut. It doesn't matter. I have a friend who got revoked for no reason other than his PO was on a power trip and was absolutely convinced he had used cannabis even though he absolutely did not. He came in for his scheduled appointment and was made to take a random drug screen because for some reason his PO was absolutely sure that he was high, so when he dropped clean she was pissed and made him wait around for another 45 minutes to take another drug test after doing a full patdown search on him (this isn't the norm either mind you). Naturally he came up clean again, but she still didn't believe it. He offered to go have a blood test drawn to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was clean - even if it meant he had to pay for it himself - but she wasn't hearing any of it. She had a bug so deeply and firmly planted up her ass about it that there was no way anyone was going to convince her otherwise with any form of logic, reason, or evidence. She ended up just revoking his ass then and there and he was arrested on the spot. The bottomline is that she had been looking for an excuse to revoke him because she simply did not like him for whatever reason, and she had the power to do it without any repercussions. Granted he still had to go through a revocation hearing and everything, but more often than not those proceedings are just a formality and the circumstances rarely matter because the court tends to take the prosecution's recommendation regardless which is based on the PO's word and records, so unless you have a really good/fair judge you're probably gonna end up nailed to the wall. This is what ended up happening with my friend as he did end up actually getting revoked. Honestly he likely would have faired better with a proper defense attorney who could have built a strong appeal on his behalf, but he was stuck with a shitty public defender since he couldn't afford a private attorney and they basically just left him to the mercy of the court. PO's constantly have their finger hovering over the proverbial button that can utterly ruin someone's life, and there's almost nothing that can be done when they decide to press it. Fortunately for me around half way through my sentence my intial PO quit, so I was absorbed into the client pool of another agent. I was super worried at first because I knew that there were some truly awful people working at that office, including the vile dictator who revoked my buddy for nothing because she just decided that he was high one day (she is really quite notorious and actually holds some form of middle management position at that office, and I shit you not her license plate literally says "REVOKEM"). So as bad as my first PO was I was so terrified of getting stuck with someone exponentially worse. However fortune and the good Lord saw fit to bless me with a reprieve, and instead I was assigned to a wonderful younger woman who was actually supposed to have been my PO to begin with, however I was reassigned at the last minute due to her client pool limit being reached (that whole thing almost got me in trouble intially due to their own scheduling/clerical errors, but that's a story for another time so I digress). She was an absolute angel, a true Godsend and I couldn't have gotten more lucky. She was sweet, kind, empathetic, and caring... I could tell she actually gave a damn and genuinely cared about me as a person and she wasn't just constantly looking for a reason to screw me. She was considerate regarding my particular circumstances and situation, and she was always trying to offer help and support rather than simply serve as yet another cudgel of the system. Furthermore and probably most notably, she didn't make me complete those stupid-ass friggin' worksheets and workbooks that they make you take home either! Ugh, they were so unbelievably tedious, Iaughably childish and pointless... I can't believe they actually hand those damned things out to grown adults and expect them to take them seriously. My first PO would always assign me sections of the workbooks to complete for "homework" like I was a kid in fourth grade again, and she wouldn't even check to see if I did it half the time let alone bother to read any of my answers or dicsuss them with me during our meetings, but it's not like I could just take the risk and scribble down some BS at the last minute because of course the one time I did would be the one time she actually checks my work with some integrity only to claim I'm not taking it seriously and then proceed to hold that against me and use it as justification to further curtail my liberty and infringe upon my life. There were a couple occasions where I'd come in and she'd demand to check to see if I completed a workbook section when she didn't even tell me to do it during our last meeting, so then I'd get in trouble and get threatened and yelled at for her incompetence. One time she even told me that I should have just had it done anyway because I should have known that she would ask to see it since she "always" assigned workbook homework at every maeeting and I should have shown some responsibility by having it done ahead of time. However A) she most definitely did *NOT* assign homework at every meeting - not by a long shot - and it was totally random when she would, and B) she skipped around back and forth in the workbook sections she would assign and it was never in any sort of particular order. She'd have me skip entire portions that we'd never go back to and she'd reprimand me for "not following instructions" if I ever did the wrong one 😅😂 even if I had also completed the sections she had assigned. Ultimately there was just no consistency in her logic and no pleasing that c*nt regardless, and there was certainly no telling her she was ever wrong or mistaken, God fckin forbid lol. I'd always imagine her assigning those sophomoric workbooks to some hardened criminal out on parole or something and I would wonder how in the hell that would end up playing out... Anyway that all became a thing of the past with the second PO, and I no longer found myself dreading my appointments. I could actually get some sleep the night before I had to go in. With my first PO, it wasn't uncommon for me to get maybe an hour or two of sleep if I was lucky due to all of the anxiety I'd have the night before because I'd be so scared of what kind of mood she might be in and if she'd find some excuse to place further restrictions on me, put me on a five day lockup, or revoke me for some ridiculous reason. Oftentimes I wouldn't sleep at all I'd be so anxious and agitated, it was all quite unhealthy really.
Around the last year or so worth of my probation took place during the height of the pandemic when the government was implementing mandated social distancing and quarantine protocols, so I completed the remainder of my supervision remotely via scheduled phone calls with my PO. Part of my requirements dictated that I participate in regular mental health treatment with a therapist even though I honestly didn't need it, and I had already long since completed all of my court ordered AODA treatment programming and then some with flying colors; however it allowed me to continue sending in random drug screens a bit longer since I requested to have them performed by my treatment provider and I wasn't getting any from my PO. This only lasted a few months though because it wasn't long before my treatment provider began cancelling all in-person visits as a result of the quarantine, but I did remain clean throughout the rest of my time on supervision and throughout the pandemic and have remained so since. Definitely not my first rodeo in that regard and I know what to do to make it work, I just have to stick with it and remain vigilant in order to avoid becoming complacent and slipping back into old unhealthy habits and ways of thinking while avoiding toxic people.
The only authority they have is that they're the government and they have the guns. America really isn't that free of a country and that's why my goal is to move somewhere else before I'm 30.
they gave me a 90 day suspended sentence ontop of 1 year of probation. my dumbass took it, 2 months in i said fuck it and started smoking weed again, went in for my drug tests, told them im not gonna stop. and boom i got the court date in my mail. taking the probation was a mistake. always take the time. its way easier too do it and get out , without any strings attached. fuck the system do the time. its not that bad.
Depends on the amount of time. I was looking at 45days in or 18mo of probation, I took the time. Other time I was looking at 15mo in or 24 probation, I took the probation, another time I was looking at 13mo or 5yrs probation, I took the 13. I think it just depends on the circumstance.
@@griffisjm Or, you know, just stop committing crimes. 🤣🤣🤣
@@mr.tamales clearly, but that wasn't the point of the video. Also, I have. After I got out from my 13mo I haven't been arrested for any real crime since. I have been arrested a good 3-4 times but they were traffic related and all dismissed, they were careful calculations that actually helped. For instance, I got my license back, but then DMV revoked it because of needing an evaluation(which they didn't tell me and shouldn't have given my license) so I got a DWLR, while getting the eval done they wouldn't continue my case to give me time and had I been convicted they'd have revoked me for another year, so I skipped court, took the FTA, which gave me the 6-8 weeks I needed to get everything done and get my license back, then at court, since they saw my license they dismissed everything. I've changed, I'm no longer involved in trafficking, no longer robbing and stealing, no longer on drugs, in fact im married, have kids, heavily involved in church as well as their sports, completely sober, volunteer with kids and help feed homeless, own my own business, etc... I am proud to say I've gone from being the worst of the worst criminal to an average hard working husband, father, and citizen.
@griffisjm Well shit, I gotta give props where props are due. Good job man 👏 I mean that in all sincerity. I'm glad to hear that things are going well and have turned around. I guess I spoke too soon. 😅
@@mr.tamales I think your comment was right on point, I could have done a lot better at elaborating. I appreciate the kind words. It definitely wasn't easy, and though rare, I still struggle sometimes with thinking about heroin or benzos but its down to once or twice a year. My record(especially the felon thing)has followed me around and made things hard but at the end of the day, im living proof that while far from perfect, we still live in one of the greatest counties on the planet, and if someone is willing to put in the work, change is possible. Have a good one.
I took probation because I didn't want to jump bail. On my first day I was late and the po called me. Asked me if I was coming to see him . I said nope. You're gonna have to work for your money. Long story short. I got away for 11 years. Ended up doing a year in jail when they did catch me.
Lmao
My poor friend Kyle had 2 years of probation with no drinking or weed he almost went mad.....
I got arrested 3 years ago for DUI and possession had a breathalyzer and had to go to probation for a year and a half
Just got my breathlizer removed and got my charges dropped
Ya but the prosecutor's discretion and the judges' sentencing guidelines usually determine what you get. In his case what he told his attorney if the prosecutor or judge heard that they'd likely still recommend and give him probation....
Counselor, is it really an "either-or" proposition? Since I've not been convicted, beyond an idiotic "disturbing the peace" charge when I was young, I wouldn't necessarily know how management of minor criminals is being handled. A term, "prison-industrial complex" comes to mind. Is it possible that many minor miscreants, who, in effect, could be given the equivalent of a "spanking" and/or a "timeout", are being sucked into the "system", by being given probation conditions INTENDED for them to fail?
A disturbing the peace charge should be time served....even if you bond out in within 24 hours
Absolutely. The system is built on recidivism and is designed from the outset to guarantee failure for most people. I was on felony probation for four years for a non-violent petty narcotics offense, and even I struggled to maintain compliance even though I had no issues staying clean. I never dropped a single dirty drug screen and I hardly ever drink to begin with, and unlike most people in such a position I'm not a cannabis user either so that was never an issue from me. The PO I had for the first 2 or so years was this absolutely horrendously miserable bitch who hated her job and hated her clients even more, and to top it off she was married to a cop lol. She was always so venomous every time I came in and was constantly threatening me with revocation for literally nothing. She even put me on a 8pm curfew about 5 months in because my parent's dog bit someone on our property (I was living with them at the time) and the cops were called, and I was referenced in the police report because the officer was merely introduced to me when he came to take the report and talk to my dad. I wasn't even home when the person was bit by the way, and again it's not even my dog. When they say "no police contact" in the supervision requirements, they mean NONE whatsoever. I even got in trouble once for filing a witness statement after witnessing a crime that took place in my pressence that I had absolutely nothing to do with otherwise. I thought I was doing the right thing, but it turns out that almost got me arrested and placed on a 72 hour hold. People have absolutely no idea how fucking broken and twisted the system truly is, or how there's little to no oversight regarding probation agents and the power they hold over people's lives. They can tack on additional charges, issue a warrant for your arrest, or revoke you for literally anything at any time. Hell, they can revoke you if they're simply in a bad mood and you happen to say something they don't like or if they just don't like your friggin' haircut. It doesn't matter. I have a friend who got revoked for no reason other than his PO was on a power trip and was absolutely convinced he had used cannabis even though he absolutely did not. He came in for his scheduled appointment and was made to take a random drug screen because for some reason his PO was absolutely sure that he was high, so when he dropped clean she was pissed and made him wait around for another 45 minutes to take another drug test after doing a full patdown search on him (this isn't the norm either mind you). Naturally he came up clean again, but she still didn't believe it. He offered to go have a blood test drawn to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was clean - even if it meant he had to pay for it himself - but she wasn't hearing any of it. She had a bug so deeply and firmly planted up her ass about it that there was no way anyone was going to convince her otherwise with any form of logic, reason, or evidence. She ended up just revoking his ass then and there and he was arrested on the spot. The bottomline is that she had been looking for an excuse to revoke him because she simply did not like him for whatever reason, and she had the power to do it without any repercussions. Granted he still had to go through a revocation hearing and everything, but more often than not those proceedings are just a formality and the circumstances rarely matter because the court tends to take the prosecution's recommendation regardless which is based on the PO's word and records, so unless you have a really good/fair judge you're probably gonna end up nailed to the wall. This is what ended up happening with my friend as he did end up actually getting revoked. Honestly he likely would have faired better with a proper defense attorney who could have built a strong appeal on his behalf, but he was stuck with a shitty public defender since he couldn't afford a private attorney and they basically just left him to the mercy of the court.
PO's constantly have their finger hovering over the proverbial button that can utterly ruin someone's life, and there's almost nothing that can be done when they decide to press it.
Fortunately for me around half way through my sentence my intial PO quit, so I was absorbed into the client pool of another agent. I was super worried at first because I knew that there were some truly awful people working at that office, including the vile dictator who revoked my buddy for nothing because she just decided that he was high one day (she is really quite notorious and actually holds some form of middle management position at that office, and I shit you not her license plate literally says "REVOKEM"). So as bad as my first PO was I was so terrified of getting stuck with someone exponentially worse. However fortune and the good Lord saw fit to bless me with a reprieve, and instead I was assigned to a wonderful younger woman who was actually supposed to have been my PO to begin with, however I was reassigned at the last minute due to her client pool limit being reached (that whole thing almost got me in trouble intially due to their own scheduling/clerical errors, but that's a story for another time so I digress). She was an absolute angel, a true Godsend and I couldn't have gotten more lucky. She was sweet, kind, empathetic, and caring... I could tell she actually gave a damn and genuinely cared about me as a person and she wasn't just constantly looking for a reason to screw me. She was considerate regarding my particular circumstances and situation, and she was always trying to offer help and support rather than simply serve as yet another cudgel of the system. Furthermore and probably most notably, she didn't make me complete those stupid-ass friggin' worksheets and workbooks that they make you take home either! Ugh, they were so unbelievably tedious, Iaughably childish and pointless... I can't believe they actually hand those damned things out to grown adults and expect them to take them seriously. My first PO would always assign me sections of the workbooks to complete for "homework" like I was a kid in fourth grade again, and she wouldn't even check to see if I did it half the time let alone bother to read any of my answers or dicsuss them with me during our meetings, but it's not like I could just take the risk and scribble down some BS at the last minute because of course the one time I did would be the one time she actually checks my work with some integrity only to claim I'm not taking it seriously and then proceed to hold that against me and use it as justification to further curtail my liberty and infringe upon my life. There were a couple occasions where I'd come in and she'd demand to check to see if I completed a workbook section when she didn't even tell me to do it during our last meeting, so then I'd get in trouble and get threatened and yelled at for her incompetence. One time she even told me that I should have just had it done anyway because I should have known that she would ask to see it since she "always" assigned workbook homework at every maeeting and I should have shown some responsibility by having it done ahead of time. However A) she most definitely did *NOT* assign homework at every meeting - not by a long shot - and it was totally random when she would, and B) she skipped around back and forth in the workbook sections she would assign and it was never in any sort of particular order. She'd have me skip entire portions that we'd never go back to and she'd reprimand me for "not following instructions" if I ever did the wrong one 😅😂 even if I had also completed the sections she had assigned. Ultimately there was just no consistency in her logic and no pleasing that c*nt regardless, and there was certainly no telling her she was ever wrong or mistaken, God fckin forbid lol. I'd always imagine her assigning those sophomoric workbooks to some hardened criminal out on parole or something and I would wonder how in the hell that would end up playing out... Anyway that all became a thing of the past with the second PO, and I no longer found myself dreading my appointments. I could actually get some sleep the night before I had to go in. With my first PO, it wasn't uncommon for me to get maybe an hour or two of sleep if I was lucky due to all of the anxiety I'd have the night before because I'd be so scared of what kind of mood she might be in and if she'd find some excuse to place further restrictions on me, put me on a five day lockup, or revoke me for some ridiculous reason. Oftentimes I wouldn't sleep at all I'd be so anxious and agitated, it was all quite unhealthy really.
Around the last year or so worth of my probation took place during the height of the pandemic when the government was implementing mandated social distancing and quarantine protocols, so I completed the remainder of my supervision remotely via scheduled phone calls with my PO. Part of my requirements dictated that I participate in regular mental health treatment with a therapist even though I honestly didn't need it, and I had already long since completed all of my court ordered AODA treatment programming and then some with flying colors; however it allowed me to continue sending in random drug screens a bit longer since I requested to have them performed by my treatment provider and I wasn't getting any from my PO. This only lasted a few months though because it wasn't long before my treatment provider began cancelling all in-person visits as a result of the quarantine, but I did remain clean throughout the rest of my time on supervision and throughout the pandemic and have remained so since. Definitely not my first rodeo in that regard and I know what to do to make it work, I just have to stick with it and remain vigilant in order to avoid becoming complacent and slipping back into old unhealthy habits and ways of thinking while avoiding toxic people.
Under what authority do any of these domestic terrorist institutions have to detain you? Without the republic I am guaranteed, I will not comply.
The only authority they have is that they're the government and they have the guns. America really isn't that free of a country and that's why my goal is to move somewhere else before I'm 30.
@@jacksonwhittier3646 where