Top 10 Solo Games
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- Опубліковано 22 лип 2024
- Top 10 Solo Games
Update list of my Top Solo Games - • Top 20 Solo Games
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Intro and explanation of criteria (00:00);
Honorable mention (05:17);
Number 10 (06:23);
Number 9 (09:26);
Number 8 (13:06);
Number 7 (16:06);
Number 6 (20:12);
Number 5 (24:22);
Number 4 (28:36);
Number 3 (32:51);
Number 2 (40:06);
Number 1 (45:46);
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Joel, I really appreciate your reviews, and this top 10 was no exception. Great list! My tastes run in an entirely different direction, toward small, quick solo games such as Castles of Burgundy: The Dice Game, Mint Works, Tiny Epic Galaxies, Elevenses for One, Bowling Solitaire, Deep Space D-6,, Sprawlopolis, Palm Island, and Black Sonata. The one combat game I enjoy is Hoplomachus: Origins.
Yes! Love your #5!
I got it just last year and have enjoyed it both solo and co-op. So much so that I haven't had any urge to play Pandemic since 😊
I also agree with your thoughts on the 'vibe' it gives as a co-op.
The beauty is that because it's not fiddly, it's great fun to control a few characters when playing solo.
Great rundown of these games! I love playing solo tabletop games every now and then, and there are plenty here I havent even heards of. Rangers of Shadow Deep sounds like a must for me, its so unique and innovative! Sounds amazing :D
Nemo's War has quickly become my go-to solo game in the past year. Really love it.
I’ve enjoyed that one as well.
Thank you! it's fun to have a top ten with different choices than the BGG top 10 solo . I'll check out Rangers of Shadowdeep and Blackstone tower. Keep it up, always a pleasure to watch your videos.
totally agree with your concept there bro, the best stories seem to be the ones that evolve naturally in the game, especially when the game has thematic elements that make sense/lend to storytelling..some of my best stories, solo or multiplayer, have come from
arkham horror lcg
elder sign
the lost expedition
..i think my favorite solos have become the ones that play with multiple characters..because the interplay between the characters is amazing..and you never know who will be the last adventurer standing..
Love how you explained Marvel Champions. Too many videos out there comparing it to Arkham Horror LCG and it's campaign. You truly caught the essence of Marvel Champions and how it feels to fight against a villain.
I'm having a blast regardless if I win or lose. If I lose, I would see what I did wrong and try again.
Enjoyed your list. I have been having fun with wargames solo recently. D-Day at Tarawa and Wars of Marcus Aurelius have been hits for me. I agree about chit pull activation; I have a very chaotic chit pull game, At any cost: Metz 1870, on my table now. I even enjoy Combat Commander solo-not looking at newly drawn cards generates enough uncertainty for me.
I picked up Combat Commander: Europe on the GMT sale, intending to run it solo. Good to hear it can be fun do to the uncertainty!
Glad to see a top 10 that is different and includes miniature games rather than just containing the usual FFG type coop games.
Finally a fresh view on these games!! 101% agree with your choices
Nice list and a good amount of telling your thoughts for your picks. Entertaining and learning about some new games 😉
I recently got d-day dice 2ed. And i have to say that it works very well for a light solo filler game.
Also like for solo plays:
- Mage knight
- Eldritch horror (for the same reason you mention, more easygoing solo and fun to create the story in your head as you play)
- Trickerion (A.I. is very good and nobody wants to play it with me after they heard the rules explaination, because that is a lot to proces)
- Aeon's End (probably my favorite Deckbuilder)
Oh. Aeon's End is a good one. Been some time since I played it last.
Thank you for the video. I play Gaslands but now I'll check out Rangers of Shadow Deep.
Cheers!
Such a great channel.
Probably my favorite!
your diverse interest in board games spanning so many genres is as always a pleasure to watch and an inspiration to branch out more into the unknown.
Thank you! :)
Dungeon is a decent solo game. Remember playing the original version back in the early 80's. The new Doom board game isn't bad either. Great list. Gave me a few ideas since my friends and I started fooling around with Hero Quest,which I'm glad we got with the expansions when it came out since it's expensive now.
Thanks for the list Joel. As a mostly solo gamer, I loved hearing your thoughts about some of these games. I would say Shadows of Brimstone is my personal favorite, followed closely by Kingdom Death. I can't wait to give Rangers a try though once the deluxe book comes out.
Loved the solo version of Horrified - unique concept. Excellent graphics and materials. Challenging game as a solo
Blackstone Fortress! Finally seeing some love for it. Gloomhaven solo also is pretty great.
I have never played a minatures game before, always seemed really intimidating. I have a ton of board games with minatures however. So I decided to pick up Rangers of Shadowdeep and make it my introduction into minatures, figured I could take my time and learn and digest things with no pressure. I got a basic grid and markers and I'm currently reading the book, going to start next weekend. Thank you for all the wonderful recommendations especially Rangers!
Awesome. Hope you enjoy it!
HORRIFIED IS A GREAT GAME! I wish more people were talking about this game. My friend got it for me for Christmas and I've played it solo about 5 times and with friends about 4 times. One of my favorite games of last year. Rangers of Shadow Keep is really cool but I don't have the space for it at the moment. Hopefully when I move I can get into it. Mansions of Madness 2nd edition is high up on my solo board game list and Marvel Champions really has been awesome to go through.
Oh my god! I love solo gaming and have not played ANY of these. And now I really want to. especially Blackstone Fortress.
I played the intoductory set of linked scenarios in Rangers of Shadowdeep with 3 friends as a co-op game over a few weeks, and it worked brilliantly - lots af great tales of derring-do and hilarious failures (I'm looking at you Sven, the alchemist with no fingers). I've also played a few missions solo while learning the rules and will get back to running through the rest solo when I get the time - I cannot recommend this game enough.
Awesome!
'Darkest Night' is still one of my top solo favorites due to how relatively easy it is to break out and play, yet still has enough variety regarding facets such as varied player powers to keep the strategy interesting every time. So many other games I have to re-read a lot of the rules, but with this one it's easy to remember from the turn sequence summary even after a long hiatus.
Despite owning Blackstone Fortress for awhile, I still haven't tried it. Feels wrong breaking that out while my minis have only been primed but not painted. Gotta light a fire on my painting soon and get it going.
Rangers does work co-op, really good fun.
Surprised how many of these I have.
Great video. I like Rangers of Shadow Deep as well. With Joseph's permission, I converted into a Fantasy Grounds module (virtual tabletop) so people can play through the first couple of missions free.
Wow. That’s awesome!
I absolutely agree with Blackstone fortress, and even moreso with Rangers of Shadow Deep. Boardgames or wargames, when wanting to tell a coherent narrative, try as they might, fail. But when the story organically emerges - through mechanics AND through their version of enviromental storytelling, now that's a thing of beauty, and these two are excellent at it.
Thanks for sharing. I enjoy MC: LCG a lot too. And, it's a relatively new game. Hopefully it gets better and better with additional action packs, etc.
Q - Have you played Nemesis? I have no personal experience with it, but I've seen it in a lot of Top 10 Solo lists.
I have. I did not care for it, but never tried it solo.
You make such brilliant videos
Fantastic video... and great suggestions.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Excellent list with a great selection of thematic solo games!
Very interesting list. One game I love solo you didn’t mention is Too Many Bones.
I have both Too Many Bones and Cloudspire. I prefer Too Many Bones for solo, but they are both great games from Chip Theory Games.
Great list man! Eldritch is my favorite. Do you keep playing black stone fortress with the same characters after you finish the campaign or do you start new characters?
If playing with expansions, I keep the same group running as long as they can stay alive. But, if I ever get to restarting, I'll just start from scratch.
I think you would like Thunderbolt Apache Leader (or one of the other "leader" games which I believe are similar). Built as a solo game, as opposed to being a variant on a multiplayer game. It sees you command a squadron of aircraft and their pilots through a series of missions, keeping them as well repaired and stress free as possible.
Yep. Love those games. Phantom Leader was probably my favorite of that group, although Apache was fun too.
Not sure if you have had a chance to take a look, but Four Against Darkness and D100 Dungeon may be of interest. Agreed on Rangers of Shadow Deep... FYI there is a deluxe edition of the book coming out by Modiphius.
Yep. Pre-ordered it :)
D100 dungeon is fantastic fun.
Hi Joel! Off topic but just wanted to know what is the music that is played at the end of all your podcasts?
ua-cam.com/video/Pentde5LhDU/v-deo.html :)
I really enjoyed your list but I have a couple of questions. What do you think about Folklore The Affliction? I have been thinking about a D&D solo game for a while and have not been sure how to approach it. So it seems that Rangers of Shadow Deep is what I have been looking for. But what in your opinion puts this type of game above others that come with a complete system and all the props?
I need to try Folklore. The main thing for me that sets Rangers apart is the ability to build up your Ranger and warband from scratch, and to a large degree, build up the world as well. The dice mechanic is also wild and woolly like it can be in D&D. You've got a ton of skills etc... to choose from. You aren't just taking and archetype and running with it, but really building up a specific an individualized character.
Hi Joel! Renegade would be on my list (as one of those puzzles that vary a lot and yet pit you against challenges). I would also add Helionox - I was surprised to really dig into this one, but it is very quick to play (solo) and the possibilities end up feeling more varied than a number of games do for me, and the options are rather open. So end up liking it!
I assuming you are not going to be into the solo challenges of Founders of Gloomhaven, hearing your intro. Too bad because they are pretty interesting (and mind blowing, too ;).
I have also just resumed playing Imperial Assault with the app.
I now want to test your number 1... except I don't have a lot of minis for it (but I should have some!) Oh well, I need time for it first.
How do you feel about Heroes of the Aturi sector (for X-Wing)?
Not tried Heroes of the Aturi. Always wanted to, but I got rid of all my X-Wing stuff.
Hi,
I discovered your chanel a few months ago, and I really like it !
Your presentations and explainations are simple, clear and good.
I like your choices, they join mine for some part.
I also love playing Street Masters solo, did you try it ?
I love Runebound too.
Have a nice week ;-)
Sylvain (from France)
Not played Street Masters. Would like to try it. Did not care fore Runebound unfortunately.
Thanks for your answer !
You'd probably like Street Masters, easy to set UP and play, very thematic (in memory of Street Fighter, Double Dragon, Street of Rage, etc). The Sadler brothers did a great job !
Runebound is a great overlooked game. My #1 Adventure game.
Thanks for mentioning our #Horrified game, Joel! We are honored.
Prospero Hall Guys I REALLY want your game but I’m in the UK and there’s no sign of a release here at all. Is there any news you can give us about this?
@@stefc309 check Amazon UK it's in stock
Scott thank you! I’d given up checking having done so so many times over the last few months, must’ve only just become available!
@@stefc309 Yeah I kept checking too & just recently noticed. Enjoy!
I'd love to see a play example of rangers of shadowdeep being played on a smaller scale grid or dry erase.
Just at the beginning of the video... but first you say you don't really like soloing competitive games... and 10 and especially 9 are just that! :) I can't wait to see what's next ;)
Fair enough. I just don't really like the beat your high score/weird-random AI bot stuff... is what I was trying to say :)
@@DriveThruReview sure, I completely agree, I always had a problem with Agricola solo, the first time you play there is no win condition... Still after that intro I was surprised with the lack of 1player only games on your list. Doesn't change the fact that I enjoyed it a lot!
Thank you for not putting the typical top games. I learned about new games that I havent heard of. Very interesting stuff.
I was sitting on the fence for Blackstone Fortress but now I am definitely picking it up now and Rangers of Shadowdeep.
Awesome. Hope you enjoy it.
I'm on wave 2 for Tainted Grail...now I'm nervous!
Eldritch Horror was my first “modern game” when I came into the hobby. Don’t play it much now, but has a special place in my nerd heart.
Love your number 1 choice!!!!
Wow - there are some games in your Top 10 I never ever heard of :-) Ok I am from Germany and some games aren`t published here, but your Number 1 sounds great and has 8.8 on BGG. Thanks for new input ...
Mansions of madness and AH LCG are two I like solo. Also weirdly enough War of the Ring but I just love that game - not sure it’s great solo due to hidden info haha
My friend turned Rangers into a full fledged RPG.We have a blast playing that one.
Awesome. Any specific changes or just a custom set of scenarios?
@@DriveThruReview Mostly relaxed the item limit and created new scenarios. He's really big into terrain building.
Great list. Thank you! 🙌🏻
Great list! Looked into shadows of brimstone and blackstone fortress but their out of print so a little expensive💰💰💰. Might try and find a pdf though. Thanks again! 🥦🦖
Whoops, blackstone fortress is still in print, just expensive! 😂 Ordering now though from GW store. 🙂
@@CamoflagedTumbleweed Nice. Hope you enjoy it! Brimstone is still in print too!
The only board game that has scratched the narrative+game balance ("dnd in a box") is Dungeon Degenerates, along with the 4 "Guide To" region books. With the right music and the added books, this experience is like no other imo, and is my favorite solo game by far.
That one has bubbled up on my radar before. I’ll look into it more. Thanks!
I love Edritch Horror solo and only solo! I'll have to look into Blackstone Fortress and Rangers of Shadowdeep. Sounds awesome. 😎😎
Very very good and interesting top 10.
Dawn of The Zeds and Nemo's War are also tactical and give you that emergent story. Those two and EH are my current solo top 3.
Side note: favourite competitive game these days is Dune. I can't completely explain why but the whole experience is just amazing to me 😊
I like both Zeds and Nemo as well. They’d closely miss the Top 10 for me.
@@DriveThruReview how long does a typical game of Eldritch take while playing Solo?
@@petermobius 1-2 hours depending on how badly things are going :)
I've been enjoying Nemo's War. Also just got Xia with the Embers expansion which I'll probably end up mainly soloing.
Great review Joel! I just bought the game I had my first solo game and I loved it. Would you say that the first expansion is a must right away or should I wait a little bit more? Thanks!
Which game did you buy?
I’m sorry, forgot to tell which one. It’s eldritch horror
@@alejandrolozano1258 Gotcha. To me the first expansion is a must. But, the first expansion is small... it just adds a good amount of variety to the various decks.
@@DriveThruReview I just saw your review about mountains of madness and I totally like that the encounters make sense. With the base I use my imagination a lot but with that one I think that part of the game will shine more. So between the first one and the mountains which will you recommend to buy first?
@@alejandrolozano1258 First one. I don't always like to add all that extra stuff in personally, but that first one is an always include.
Blackstone Fortress, yeah! I see that this has influenced your choice of curtains as well :)
Lol? How’s that?
Nevermind I understand now lol :)
Have you played Nemesis solo? It was a super tense experience for me. Great atmosphere and very difficult. Don't expect to survive ;)
I've not. I did not care for it multiplayer, but should have tried it solo!
Look for the old Lone Wolf gamebooks by Joe Dever, which were unique in the sense that it formed a continuous campaign.
I've played a bunch of those. Really remembered enjoying them as a kid.
OUTSTANDING JOB !!!!!!!!!
Thank you. Appreciate it.
Check out Core Space! Also, you should play Five Parsecs from Home!
I’ve got the PDF and read it. Just need to get it to the table!
What do you thing about mixing 2 different games ? Like Caran and eldritch horror? like a "bug house" house hule variant chess
Not sure. Not heard of Caran before.
Great list! I’m very interested In the #1 Game. Now..... what about Mage Knight? That is a great Solo game.
It’s such a pain for me to play to be honest. I do enjoy it though.
Drive Thru Games - Yeah, I do get that for sure! Understandable.
Oh man, you are slowly but stadily talking me into Blackstone Fortress...
Let me help you with that:
ua-cam.com/video/vGwsTi01bpI/v-deo.html
I guess I should buy Blackstone Fortress... I skipped it because I'm more into AoS than 40k. I also love Rangers of Shadows Deep!!!
What do you think about Arkham Horror lcg? Would you rank it above or below Marvel Champions?
Below, but just slightly... and it wouldn't make the list for me because Champions kind of replaced it for me. The Arkham story arcs are cool, but I like the mix and match (plug and play) aspects of Champions more. I like the theme of Champions more, but really if I was being "objective" they are a tie. They both set out to accomplish different goals but with similar mechanisms. It comes down more of a plate thing for me.
I love shadows of brimestone. Own the base games, Fronter town, and one big box expanison. Can't play it anymore thought since my father in law died as we loved playing it together and he passed away last year. Would be my number one. Only downside is table space it takes up with the expansions....]
Very sorry to hear that. And, yes the game can just devour a room!
You should check out fallen land with the journey into darkness expansion, it’s one of the best narrative driven games I’ve ever played and it’s great solo!
Thanks Tom. Checking into it now :)
Joel, most everything you mention you love about Blackstone Fortress makes me think you would adore Core Space. It doesn’t have any of the weird side-quest puzzles. But it’s one of those games that springs alive when you play it, especially when played with one of the expansions or the automated crew module available on BGG.
I absolutely agree with your opinions about the narrative elements on board games. Those should emerge, naturally, from the game mechanics and/or players interactions. That's why I prefer The Lord of the Rings LCG over Arkham Horror LCG.
Hi Joel. That's why I think I'd enjoy Marvel Champions more than LotR LCG and AH LCG. Sadly I don't have it and probably never will :-/
Thank goodness they’re reprinting/reworking defenders of the realm. My favorite co-op ever!
are they? i though there was a superhero type version due next year missed the kick starter.. but looked very good
Where I can find Warlords of Erehwon?
Should be on online retailers but it’s published by Warlord Games.
Better "cuba libre" than "Andean Abyss"? I like the Andean theme better, but I don't know if it's good for solo.
It's really a toss-up for solo. I find the gameplay just a bit more refined in Cuba Libre, and it's much better at the two player count. But, I still own and enjoy playing Andean Abyss, solo or otherwise.
We have very similar tastes, even regarding Tainted Grail. I went all in and I really don't like it much. I didn't find it much fun at all, but more like work.
brewgeek1 I’ll buy it off you!
Wes Ferrer damn. Beat me to it!
@@skankinupastorm I'm going to give it another go with multiple characters. I'm currently playing with Beor as true solo, and there seems to be several story arcs that I'm missing b/c of his limitations.
You should look at Star Breach. It's a dice pull system and the rules are free (and not tied to any miniatures line).
Oh cool. I've seen that one get some buzz recently. I should pull the trigger. Thanks :)
I agree with you. The bleed over of 'rogue like' video games with constant resets creating a sense of "difficulty" into RPG-lite boardgames is not a welcome mechanic IMO.
I played eldritch horror for a week straight. It felt like I was getting kicked in the balls every time i played it. I just set my expectations to lose and just see how the game screw you each turn. Those mythos cards are just brutal. The only thing I hate about eldritch horror is when you win, nothing happens. You just stare at the board and say well its over, and pack up the game. But if you lose they give you an extra story bit to just drive in that you lost.
I usually play as the sailor, because he gets a extra turn if you go move on the sea routes.
I rather play Arkham horror 3rd edition. Because I love the main story and it feels more manageable to win. Eldritch feels like anything can happen, I mean anything. Which usually it's all bad. The game is basically an ouija board and knows what you are going to do next.
You have to give Battlespace: ultra modern a try. it's fully solo.
I'll take a look. Thanks!
Marvel Champions is incredible. I played this game over 100 times in 3 months time... Endless challenging, endless replayable, endless varaiability.
A TRUE Masterpiece design.
Have you played Arkham Horror lcg too? Which do you think is better?
I couldn't agree more about Eldritch Horror. You lose so much detail and atmosphere when you play with other people. Much prefer it solo.
How many characters do you typically play? I sometimes find all the items, spells, etc to be a bit unwieldy with too many characters.
I often go between 2 and 4. 4 can be a lot to keep track of. But the more you play, the more it all becomes second nature.
@@furleyx 3 investigators solo is my fave
Joel -- no Mage Knight in a top solo list. Sacrilege. :)
Sorry to see no love for Navajo Wars or Robinson Crusoe.
"Sorry to see no love for Navajo Wars or Robinson Crusoe."
Yeah if you haven't tried it already I would highly suggest these games! They're one of my favorites and they're even designed by a guy named Joel! 😀
A veteran watcher of DTR, I almost-always find Joel's tastes dovetail with my own. So when I queued this up, I assumed I would see a bunch of games I either loved already, or needed to get. Thank goodness for Cuba Libre, because otherwise, the recommendations here interest me... zero. Maybe the #1, although it being a mini game will probably preclude me from ever trying it.
Darkest Night 2nd ed. is an amazing game solo ... sadly, it's all but disappeared from public consciousness.
I agree. That's one I've enjoyed as well!
played 5 own 3 all great games fab its not just boardgames, I think marvel might go on the xmas list
Awesome. Hope you enjoy it if you get it :)
You have a Lot of Miniature Games on this list, When I think of Solo games I don't think miniatures, when I buy games I don't wanna have to shell out a bunch of $ for accessories (miniatures) two you missed I like Are Terra-forming Mars and Outer Rim!!!
That's part of the fun on soloing them (as I mentioned at the end), is constructing the world. It allows one to invest even further. I did mention at the beginning that I don't particularly gravitate toward competitive games with solo modes (with some exceptions).
Defenders of the realm is my favorite co-op. It needs to be expanded and revisited.
it will. there will be a KS for May for a 2nd edition.
@@AndreWDYounitedRevolution Really? That's an interesting news.
@@kwulfe yes it already has a page on bgg announcing it and I put some research into it and sources say May..
@@AndreWDYounitedRevolution - I heard scuttlebutt that the new edition plays differently.
Auto buy for me then when it comes to retail. Let my cousin borrow it now he refuses to give it back.
Nemo's war have a really good solo adventure game
For sure. I reviewed the original edition a long long time ago. Definitely reccommended.
No Gloomhaven or Mage Knight?
Mage Knight is more headache for me. I do enjoy it and did enjoy it solo especially. Gloomhaven is similar, but I just don't want to be locked into that long of a campaign. I would readily recommend both games to the right folks though.
Seems like Rangers of shadow deep and other miniatures solo have would totally bank if they just released a core box with minis or standees and terrain
You can get some minis if you order through North Star Figures. They do bundles for a few games of this type, Rangers and Frostgrave included.
I thought I was going to see Arkham Horror LCG because of the tentacles Joel uses in his intro. Oh well I guess Eldritch Horror got the honors. Vert interesting list. Thanks!
What about D100 Dungeon?
You know I watched some videos on it a while back and it did not seem fun. But, you aren't the first one to suggest. Maybe I should give it another look.
I started Blackstone Fortress solo, but then decided that I'm going to have to paint it up and play it with my friends instead. It's really fun so far though, and really atmospheric.
Speaking of painting, I want to start Rangers of Shadow Deep but I feel like the experience will be lessened if I don't have some nice minis and terrain for it. It will still be waiting for me when I level up a bit as a miniatures gamer though! I wonder if someone has created a video or article with ideas on miniatures makes and models for this one, hmm.
I know there is a list on BGG about what models you will want to get started for your first campaign. I don't recall if it mentions manufacturers. But, I know I've seen such a list either there or on the Rangers of Shadow Deep Facebook group as well (which is a fantastic resource).
@@DriveThruReview Thanks! I never remember that Facebook is used that way, and I'll check out the Boardgamegeek forums too.
I heard there was an expansion for Frostgrave which includes some solo support. I wonder if it's at all comparable to Rangers. Frostgrave's focus on mage-led groups, and a wide variety of magical schools and spells, is more enticing to me.
@@NefariousKoel It's "ok". It's more of a toolbox really for creating your own stuff.
@@DriveThruReview - Thanks! Does that Frostgrave expansion, and others, add enough loot, monsters, etc to make campaigning viable or is it mostly one-shot oriented?
I own the core book but don't know much about the expansions.
Blackstone Fortress Curtains!
24:28 He said De-Fight. LOL
I noticed DVG games like Phantom Leader fell off your list, but a couple of years ago they seemed to be very highly regarded. Is that because you have played them so much or just no longer really your cup of tea? Or some other reason you can comment briefly on?
I wouldn't say those games have "dropped" or been "replaced". I just played the heck out of Phantom Leader to be honest. It's just tough to pick only 10 sometimes.
Drive Thru Games Great to hear! I first found your channel that way. Did you see Phantom Leader has an expansion coming via Kickstarter? Fast turnaround too, Sept-ish delivery
@@mrsamtheman80 I did see that. Looks pretty cool.
Rangers of Shadow Deep is downloadable for free as a pdf file ...
Is it? I don't think the PDF is free. A quick scan, and I don't see it free. Seems to be about 15$ on the various outlets.
Well done Joe McCullough! Modiphius are releasing the Collectors Edition of Rangers of Shadow Deep in retail this month or grab it from www.modiphius.net/collections/rangers-of-shadow-deep or you can get it from DriveThruRPG :-)
The Deluxe Rangers book is gorgeous. And I TOTALLY use D&D minis and play on a grid.
You don't need any terrain? At all?
I was expecting something from DVG - maybe Phantom Leader, but I prefer Thunderbolt Apache Leader.
Love the Leader series. Nuklear 68 kind of killed those off for me.
Just got a Geekmail about that actually.
cheers for this