It took me some two weeks to get through this interview but I think I learned something from every minute of it! Much respect to Matteo Messori for his wealth in both knowledge and performing talent, and Nikhil for arranging these interviews.
partimento is just a bass line, and you can harmonize it any way you want, of course traditionally it would be figured bass harmonization, definitely NOT root-inversion-based harmonization. the partimento bass line can be orchestrated into a rock band arrangement using figured bass, and it will sound interesting, as I have done in exercises. you can also do the opposite: take a lead sheet and reduce it to just a bass line, which becomes the partimento, which is then re-figured. the problem with jazz is that the genre is incredibly strict (even though jazzers claim it is so open and free), such that jazz requires playing specific styles of licks and cadences, the 'jazz vocabulary', which is at odds with figured bass, so if using these jazz 'words' in the musical story, the music would not end up as baroque style. that is my perspective so far. It would be great to have a thorough answer with score examples on this.
It would be great to see a video which attempts to argue in support of Rameau's theories. After years of digging, I can find nothing, absolutely nothing, to back it up. The only justification in Harmony class is a very cursory demonstration of the overtone series at the piano, which does not hold up either, at and beyond the 7th, and Helmholtz is never mentioned by any music department. It is important to argue both sides to arrive at the truth. It would be great to present each argument in favor of Rameau in true depth (i.e. including roman numeral analysis) and then debunk each and every argument one-by-one.
@@pjbpiano this week i found out that UCLA School of Music no longer requires 2 years of music theory study for Performing Music majors. To graduate with the degree the students only need 1 year of music theory. Because they realize it is useless to study it, so they just give up on studying any theory, rather than study a valid musicology. Graduating ever more illiterate musicians.
I will watch this a second time with a pen and notebook. Truly what a great show, much thanks to the both of you for the 4 hour episode!
This length has reached already THERAPEUTIC proportions 👏
Awsome compositions
This is next level!
A first class show, Nikhil, which I am enjoying in assaggi!
Just watched the next section. There is so much here - Messori covers so much ground. Great to have the transcript.
It took me some two weeks to get through this interview but I think I learned something from every minute of it! Much respect to Matteo Messori for his wealth in both knowledge and performing talent, and Nikhil for arranging these interviews.
Great and very very important interview
This is the length we want!!!!
Make every podcast JoeRogan-like. Just talk with no guide questions.
2:20:30 My mistake: Kittel not Kirnberger!!
2:51:00 the first note D is missing in the video editing with score!! In the link to my video the sequence is correct!
@1:45:03
Preach.
Audience Q&A from @GandhiMartinez
"How partimenti could be used in popular music (especially in jazz)?"
partimento is just a bass line, and you can harmonize it any way you want, of course traditionally it would be figured bass harmonization, definitely NOT root-inversion-based harmonization. the partimento bass line can be orchestrated into a rock band arrangement using figured bass, and it will sound interesting, as I have done in exercises. you can also do the opposite: take a lead sheet and reduce it to just a bass line, which becomes the partimento, which is then re-figured. the problem with jazz is that the genre is incredibly strict (even though jazzers claim it is so open and free), such that jazz requires playing specific styles of licks and cadences, the 'jazz vocabulary', which is at odds with figured bass, so if using these jazz 'words' in the musical story, the music would not end up as baroque style. that is my perspective so far. It would be great to have a thorough answer with score examples on this.
@@superblondeDotOrg I agree. This could be also my answer!
2:15:10 another mistake: the sister of Casanova was married with Peter August!!!
It would be great to see a video which attempts to argue in support of Rameau's theories. After years of digging, I can find nothing, absolutely nothing, to back it up. The only justification in Harmony class is a very cursory demonstration of the overtone series at the piano, which does not hold up either, at and beyond the 7th, and Helmholtz is never mentioned by any music department. It is important to argue both sides to arrive at the truth. It would be great to present each argument in favor of Rameau in true depth (i.e. including roman numeral analysis) and then debunk each and every argument one-by-one.
I think it is because it might be hard to actually support Rameau’s theories and prove it to be right.
@@pjbpiano this week i found out that UCLA School of Music no longer requires 2 years of music theory study for Performing Music majors. To graduate with the degree the students only need 1 year of music theory. Because they realize it is useless to study it, so they just give up on studying any theory, rather than study a valid musicology. Graduating ever more illiterate musicians.
What is the name of the text mentioned at 1:53:27? @matteomessori310 Panceron?
Auguste Panseron: Traité de l'Harmonie Pratique Et Des Modulations En 3 Parties