BizerkPixel It's very difficult to get your timing right when the notes are visually so close together, even if you are technically playing to the beat of the music. Pretty much EVERYONE plays with some degree of high speed these days.
BizerkPixel Yes and no, and perhaps I should have expanded on this on my first comment. For easier songs without too many notes it absolutely helps, for the reason you mentioned. With more difficult songs however (and the threshold may vary from one player to another), many notes falling down so closely together just becomes confusing and difficult to read (1:57 for instance). Another factor is precise timing. With hi-speed on, you can get a much better feel for whether you are hitting the notes too early or too late, as it helps you visually compensate your movement relative to where you see the notes falling. This is impossible without hi-speed because the notes usually fall too slow (unless the BPM hits 300 or so). Both of the reasons boil down to the goal of minimizing the amount of notes you see on screen, falling at the optimum speed you can respond to.
Lisu, the dude in this Tatsujin video that was featured on beatmaniaIIDX 6th style CS, is a skilled pianist. I forget his website URL, but he had some cool original compositions on there, and explained his name Lisu is derived from one of his favorite composers, Franz Liszt. He's pretty amazing, and one of the best one-handed IIDX players!
That video dates back to 2002 and never ceases to impress people. Simply amazing! And for those interested: beatmania is THE game that introduced the concept of rhythm-gaming as we know it.
Having been to Tokyo, the weirdest thing is that you can walk into ANY arcade, and there will be at least one Japanese guy playing Beatmania at such an insane level!
It becomes easier and easier with practise. When you have completely mastered something by practising day after day for months, or even years, you do in by instinct.
there's like a million different videos on youtube showcasing this exact clip. but i just love to watch mr. Lisu do his thing and read all the praising comments. Lisu is definately something special. it's a shame he quit. at least he stepped out of the light. i'm absolutly sure he still plays at least in the privacy of his own home.
Dude. It's so hard to actually be this good. I was in a regional championship one time mixing Second Heaven. I totally was owned. very great DJ, one of the best, and yes, GOD!
Lisu actually memorized some of these notecharts so he could do this V thing with the TV off, after him there's not many videos like that, it takes too long time to memorize so many notes. For example, DJ SILENT memorized some of Mei A14, although that's just for the FC with a low score (anmitsu) (so he's motivated to get the [first] FC, otherwise there's no motivation to memorize notes unless you're a little OCD-ish/similar), and there's a video in my account of 1 guy memorizing anmitsu in quasar A14 (watch?v=QOGsebwJwvQ)
"Turntablism as a modern art form and musical practice has its roots within hip hop and hip hop culture of the early 1970s. It stems from one of the culture's "four pillars" - DJing (see "four elements," Hip Hop Culture). Scratching was already widespread within hip hop by DJs and producers by the time turntablists started to appear."
I find it amusing that, for some reason, this was played on a beatstage II cabinet (aka non DX version). I would love to know the context to why this is the case.
What gameinformer meant is that people complain about the difficulty, and this makes anything Guitar Hero has look like mastering the potty. And with the buttons AND the turntable, it whoops Guitar Hero. Maybe not rock n roll, but it's a piano. A very, very insane piano.
@TPHSnowman I totally agree with you here : it's absolutely not a DJ simulator (I think it's closer to playing a really small synthetizer lol), and DJ hero is probably more realistic. But it doesn't have anything to do with the difficulty of the game. Also, if you're looking for an arcade DJ game, you might be interested in Crackin' DJ (2 turntables and a crossfader).
Antonio Vivaldi (1725) I did a report on him 'cause I loved this song so much, lol What's hiliarious... is that this is the "winter" song from his 4 seasons. I'm POSITIVE ya'll'll recognize the other seasons, especially the "spring" song.
though there are more one-handed players as good or even better than lisu now, i still applaud him for the fact that this video is freaking 6 years ago !!! SCARY !! He's amazing to do something 6 years ago that only recently players manage to match up with him. lisu ftw !
well at my arcade we have 1 beatmania machine, 1 guitar freaks, and 1 drum mania. but I don't really go to arcades too much. I might start now. Beatmania is pretty fun
@otacon1994 No, you can play beatmania at home too, most versions are released for the PS2. There are beatmania controllers that you hook up to the PLaystation 2. And DjHero isn't used more... at all.
My hands are tingly and in pain just WATCHING that one! No way in **** I could even BEGIN to do anything like that.....especially when it got to where he was using 2 hands on the buttons
@CallistoAshus You may be correct, but when you want a truly hardcore experience Guitar hero isn't where you turn to. 4 years of playing pop'n music taught me that.
I love the part where it goes into the piano solo, because then it finally makes sense for a little bit why lisu plays the way he does. @omgitskyle1234 Why is it every time someone sees someone displaying an amount of talent that they themselves don't have, some individual has to go attribute it to ridiculous generalizations that have absolutely no bearing on reality? You really think a person needs to practice every waking hour to play like that? Really?
![[IIDX] V (ANOTHER) - Full Combo.](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/6rDRv6766GQ/mqdefault.jpg)
![[IIDX] V (ANOTHER) - Full Combo.](/img/tr.png)
何度見ても神だわ。
かたても凄いけど、オプションが何もないのが一番凄い。
片手さばきに注目されがちだけど
ハイスピなしと当時光りにくいこの筐体でAA出してるのがヤバい
当時こんなんできる奴いんのかと思ってたのに、できるどころか片手でやっててあたおかなの？ってなった記憶が蘇る
1:38 ここのアレンジ好き
I'm more impressed that he's not using any hi-speed at all.
why is that? sorry beatmania noob here.
BizerkPixel
It's very difficult to get your timing right when the notes are visually so close together, even if you are technically playing to the beat of the music. Pretty much EVERYONE plays with some degree of high speed these days.
mwkmn interesting. I always thought slower speed allowed you to have more time to see notes coming.
BizerkPixel
Yes and no, and perhaps I should have expanded on this on my first comment. For easier songs without too many notes it absolutely helps, for the reason you mentioned. With more difficult songs however (and the threshold may vary from one player to another), many notes falling down so closely together just becomes confusing and difficult to read (1:57 for instance).
Another factor is precise timing. With hi-speed on, you can get a much better feel for whether you are hitting the notes too early or too late, as it helps you visually compensate your movement relative to where you see the notes falling. This is impossible without hi-speed because the notes usually fall too slow (unless the BPM hits 300 or so).
Both of the reasons boil down to the goal of minimizing the amount of notes you see on screen, falling at the optimum speed you can respond to.
mwkmn i see. thanks
Lisu, the dude in this Tatsujin video that was featured on beatmaniaIIDX 6th style CS, is a skilled pianist. I forget his website URL, but he had some cool original compositions on there, and explained his name Lisu is derived from one of his favorite composers, Franz Liszt.
He's pretty amazing, and one of the best one-handed IIDX players!
自分がIIDXを始めるキッカケになった動画。この人は今でも自分の中でレジェンドです
自分も
Lisu, the one-handed IIDX legend.
Indeed
Just wanted to ask:"That's not a normal BM play style is it?"
The 19th Fighter Yep, the normal one is you use two hands to press the buttons.
DJ EXIT is smiling
That video dates back to 2002 and never ceases to impress people. Simply amazing!
And for those interested: beatmania is THE game that introduced the concept of rhythm-gaming as we know it.
Damn 2010 was 12 years ago when this comment was written
This comment is almost as old as I am
ⅡDX黎明期の伝説だよな
😢😢
この人のおかげで両手プレイできなくなった
最後の方で両手使い始めるところが逆にかっこいい
出来なくなっちゃったんだ
達人ムービーはどれも衝撃的すぎて真似したくなる罠
i remember seeing this in the japanese version of beatmania and thought "man i will never be this good and i can say this with absolute certainty"
このcs6thの動画で弐寺が好きになったあの頃...
もう十年以上前なのか……
今見てもすごいわ・・・
いつの時代でもレジェンドはいるんだな…
2024 check-in ... still legend~
13年も前も昔でここまで精度取れていて...しかも片手っておかしいよ
弐寺 TOMATO AC中伝 CS皆伝 正確に言うと17年前だよ！
結構ズレてて草
ほぼサントラ
しかもノースピ…
しかも判定が厳しめの時のやつ
黎明期プレイヤーの自由な運指すき
One of the only videos that shows a simple Beatmania 2 cabinet.
i think you will find all the tatsujin videos in iidx 6th style were done on a beatmania ii cabinet
上回るスコアはたくさん出たとは言え、このプレーは今見ても人を唸らせる…
急におすすめに出てきたけどなんじゃこりゃあ...片手で捌けるものだったのか...
Having been to Tokyo, the weirdest thing is that you can walk into ANY arcade, and there will be at least one Japanese guy playing Beatmania at such an insane level!
異次元過ぎて逆に笑ってしまう。
この人、ホントに人間か？(汗
good times right here. Thank you for this video!
これみて弐寺初めました!!くっそ楽しい!!
小学生のころ、度々見る動画でした。
久しぶりに見たら過去が感じられる。
あの当時...LISUさんとAGOPさんは神でした。懐かしい。
韓国のKIN!って人もどうしてるのか気になります。
It becomes easier and easier with practise. When you have completely mastered something by practising day after day for months, or even years, you do in by instinct.
これとポップンのクラシック4のやつで音ゲーに憧れるきっかけになった
ノースピでやってる所も神ですな
目を開けなくてもできるってことかよ、、、
やべぇ、、
LISUさんの譜面暗記は、7th当時ハイスピ変更出来ないエキスパのMAX300混じったコースで、皆HS遅い中、HS3でランキング入りしてる時だけだと思います。
From dj.taka
Song: V
Also available for DDR Extreme
これを昔見て越えることが無理な高すぎる壁を感じたのが懐かしい
ピアノの経験ってやっぱり凄い
一介のピアニスト上りでこれなんだから、コンクール上位のピアニスト達はほんもんのばけもんなんでしょう
左手「しょうがないなぁ」
there's like a million different videos on youtube showcasing this exact clip. but i just love to watch mr. Lisu do his thing and read all the praising comments. Lisu is definately something special. it's a shame he quit. at least he stepped out of the light. i'm absolutly sure he still plays at least in the privacy of his own home.
手捌きが美しすぎる
1 handed? O_O
man the makers of beatmania making songs that are hard as hell but yet possible. The amazingness of japan
Dude. It's so hard to actually be this good.
I was in a regional championship one time mixing Second Heaven. I totally was owned.
very great DJ, one of the best, and yes, GOD!
今見てもすごいです。
Lisu actually memorized some of these notecharts so he could do this V thing with the TV off, after him there's not many videos like that, it takes too long time to memorize so many notes. For example, DJ SILENT memorized some of Mei A14, although that's just for the FC with a low score (anmitsu) (so he's motivated to get the [first] FC, otherwise there's no motivation to memorize notes unless you're a little OCD-ish/similar), and there's a video in my account of 1 guy memorizing anmitsu in quasar A14 (watch?v=QOGsebwJwvQ)
this is inhumane at this point. hes truly on a different level
最強の運指
CS版IIDX6th持ってたけど、やっぱりすごいプレイヤーですね
今でもこんなん出来るプレイヤーいないんじゃないのかってくらいヤバい
この神は今どうしてるんだろう…。
"Turntablism as a modern art form and musical practice has its roots within hip hop and hip hop culture of the early 1970s. It stems from one of the culture's "four pillars" - DJing (see "four elements," Hip Hop Culture). Scratching was already widespread within hip hop by DJs and producers by the time turntablists started to appear."
Flawless Victory.
昔でこの光り様はすごい...
これが理論値出てるのもすごいけどハイスピデフォのままでここまで出来るのヤバすぎる()
2005년도에 한국 랭킹 4위까지 찍고 군대갔는데...이 영상을 그 전에 봤으면 아예 안했을 것 같다. 난 재능이 없었거든😂
This is like the rhythm game community's version of the Daigo Parry at EVO.
Invoker...
UA-cam古参すぎる、、
this song is twice as hard compered to any gutair hero song this guy is the master of Beatmania
That is made of pure awesomage.
I find it amusing that, for some reason, this was played on a beatstage II cabinet (aka non DX version). I would love to know the context to why this is the case.
指の動きがホント綺麗
True man, so true. This game blows Dj Hero away.
What gameinformer meant is that people complain about the difficulty, and this makes anything Guitar Hero has look like mastering the potty. And with the buttons AND the turntable, it whoops Guitar Hero. Maybe not rock n roll, but it's a piano. A very, very insane piano.
와 저배속 리딩이되나..
거이 원핸드에 이게 13년전 플레이 ㄷㄷ
걍 미쳤네
딱 12년전에 본거같은데 2~3년에 한번씩 생각날때 보러옴요 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
이게 벌써 17년전에 올라온 거구나.. この存在は人間とは呼べません😂
@TPHSnowman I totally agree with you here : it's absolutely not a DJ simulator (I think it's closer to playing a really small synthetizer lol), and DJ hero is probably more realistic. But it doesn't have anything to do with the difficulty of the game.
Also, if you're looking for an arcade DJ game, you might be interested in Crackin' DJ (2 turntables and a crossfader).
この人半年くらい前にテレビに出てたよね
holy shit... those fingers got a mind of there own
Impressive for one handed. Keep it up
Inhuman skills. ALIENS ARE WITH US.
Antonio Vivaldi (1725) I did a report on him 'cause I loved this song so much, lol
What's hiliarious... is that this is the "winter" song from his 4 seasons. I'm POSITIVE ya'll'll recognize the other seasons, especially the "spring" song.
Legendary Legend!
ノースピと長キービームの相性は最悪！
バケモンでしょう
㊗️🎉プロリーグ発足🎉2019年12月現在、皆さんは今これを見てどう思いますか？
この動画かなり古いからこれよりもすごくなってるんだろーなーって思います
cs6thで弐寺始めて18年近く経つ。子供に邪魔されながりも続けているSP皆伝底辺DP十段だが、未だにDP運指の参考にしている。冥3900も凄いが、自分にとってはLISUさんが最高最強の伝説。
This guy is a monster!
though there are more one-handed players as good or even better than lisu now, i still applaud him for the fact that this video is freaking 6 years ago !!!
SCARY !! He's amazing to do something 6 years ago that only recently players manage to match up with him.
lisu ftw !
Vivaldi's Concerto No. 4 in F minor, Op. 8, RV 297, "L'inverno", Mvt. 1
well at my arcade we have 1 beatmania machine, 1 guitar freaks, and 1 drum mania. but I don't really go to arcades too much. I might start now. Beatmania is pretty fun
Beatsteage II筐体やんけ
@123heroe123 The entire song is based off Antonio Vivaldi's "Winter" from the Four Seasons.
両手使ってもAA出ないのにやば
So this is the man that will save the world....
急におすすめに出てきたんだが
@otacon1994
No, you can play beatmania at home too, most versions are released for the PS2. There are beatmania controllers that you hook up to the PLaystation 2. And DjHero isn't used more... at all.
day 9 got me here
that was epic.
My hands are tingly and in pain just WATCHING that one! No way in **** I could even BEGIN to do anything like that.....especially when it got to where he was using 2 hands on the buttons
Nah, Beatmania has it going on but Dj Hero is bring something new to the table.
i finally recognized this song after 1 min of listening XD
They already have a "Piano Hero".
It's called Keyboardmania.
the Nobar of IIDX: One handed
what amazes me is not the fact thats its one hand and hes comboing
what amazes me is that he's one handing and p-greating the shit out of it O_o
holy shit guitar hero 3 is nothing when i see this omfg u are amazing =O
You mean this guy will forever be my idol
So I'm here because of Day9 from The Tasteless Podcast... seems like this would be something a Starcraft gamer would like
Yes, the turntable should have more use. It's like they put it there for looks or something.
ITS MARVELOUS PLAY
@CallistoAshus You may be correct, but when you want a truly hardcore experience Guitar hero isn't where you turn to. 4 years of playing pop'n music taught me that.
I love the part where it goes into the piano solo, because then it finally makes sense for a little bit why lisu plays the way he does.
@omgitskyle1234 Why is it every time someone sees someone displaying an amount of talent that they themselves don't have, some individual has to go attribute it to ridiculous generalizations that have absolutely no bearing on reality? You really think a person needs to practice every waking hour to play like that? Really?
dam this loox fun
i'm a huge FlashFlashRevolution fan, it only uses 4 buttons tho, i'd love to try this game ^^
P.S. Day[9] made me do it xD
@Natemsucram the table the game is played on have both left and right hand sides.