i have to think that they may have graded them 1st in a group and then slabbed them incorrectly. that 1928 was definitely damaged. no offense. still great coins one and all
A fun and very enlightening video, my friend! I enjoy seeing your reaction as you view and reveal the grade. Grades were seemingly a bit all over the place. Interns at PCGS getting a crack at assigning grades?🤔😂 Thanks for this. The 32S is still nice in the holder
Yeah, that was my first video and I didn't have a clue. LOL. But it sure was fun. Learning new things seems to be my greatest pleasure now a days. This hobby is so "deep" It looks like I'll be enjoying it for a long time. :) I realize now that I could have done a video on each one of those coins. Hahah. Thanks for the comment my friend.
The 1932 quarter is some of the most weird valuated coins of them all. The MS66 is $800 but the MS67 is worth a whole $10,000 to $15,000. An almost twenty-folded value increase from 66 to 67. Unheard of, as far as I'm concerned
And this is the pinnacle, the upper echelon of grading companies... lol how sad. So much HYPE. Thats what I see with PCGS and the coin community and Heritage Auctions mostly is to blaim for it..
Haha, thanks. I have fun doing them. I do these mostly for myself. One day I'll look back at them and remember what I was doing when I was younger. LOL It's just an added bonus to me if other people enjoy them as well. Thanks for the comment.
Damn, the counterfeiters are getting better and better with the fake coins! Does the 1862 weigh what it’s supposed to? Thanks for sharing your submission results, it is so informative, and your presentation is well done!
Thanks a lot my friend. The gold coins are within the correct weight. I guess the counterfeiters thought the numismatic value was worth the effort, although I can't really see the point. I appreciate the comment.
Your 1928 MS63 with metal missing at the top looks to me like a strike through error. Maybe a resubmit would be wise for that designation. Due to the current interest in errors it might prove very lucrative for you to get some other opinions. Nice haul 😊
Just found your channel and subscribed. Great video. Love the unveilings. I am new to collecting and never knew of gold Indian quarters. They are amazingly beautiful. Thanks for sharing.
1928 ms63 it looks like its been struck through grease struck on top right its a expensive mint error and you might have specify and pay more to get it graded that way
Your 1928 2.5 dollar ms63 you got a lucky grade for that one that's great, I've had went to a coin dealer in 2000 or 2001 I bought a 1911-p Indian gold coin and cherry picked 1952-s Wheatie they sat for 20yrs I had them in a sleeve so going through my coins I found them I forgot all about them so I sent them out I was highly surprised when I got them back the 1952's wheat penny came back ms66 and my 1911 p' two-and-a-half-dollar Indian gold coin came back ms63 I was really surprised I got that grade for that, and now gold is up the year is 2020 right now, so to make a long story short I'm a happy camper. Nice video, remember you win some you lose some, but I guess in the end it all works out.
Ouch. I saw the color was too consistent color being an alloy metallic coin. 1902 is a really good fake knowing there's a little discoloration because of the copper content. Geez at least they weren't pre 34 gold eagles. Must be easier to dump fractional which will make me even more diligent on small gold coins
Yeah, you definitely need to check out the gold. I had no clue on the 1902, which led me to certify the other gold coins I had. So many counterfeits now.
Nice show and tell Dr. G. I have never graded gold before. Just can't afford such. But I must say your video system setup shows details pretty well. I managed to grade the majority accurately. Yes, the dings you see are most likely from bagging. But long scratches tend to be caused by handling. Also look at the edges of the coins, which can tell a lot about the condition. I noticed your extreme disappointment at the scratched coins. I am wondering why you purchased them, unless you got them through the internet. Many people will position a coin so that the lighting will wash out some imperfections. Best thing to do if you are at all in doubt is to ask the seller to send you an enhanced photo. If they refuse, then something is amiss. Good luck with your collecting.
Too much. LOL. The prices vary with the value of the coin. But on average $30 bucks, plus shipping, handling, and membership fees. You have to be careful to grade only coins that have the possibility of being valuable enough to justify the grading expense. It's a gamble in other words. 😊
Love your stuff and unboxing from the grading services. That Indian Coin 2-1/2 looked like a big chunk was out, WOW I with you on that one I never expected it was a mint error or defect, you might want to re submit?
Yeah, pretty strange. They gave it a 63 though, if I resubmit they might find something wrong and downgrade. But if someone were to ever purchase that coin, I imagine the defect would be a concern. Thanks for watching, and commenting Dave.
c17360 yeah you have to understand there is a lot of leeway with these grades. I don’t take them too seriously anymore. They’re a great “starting point”. Do your own research and “discover “ what YOU like, not what the graders like. They don’t have to be the same thing. 😊
I think the MS63 wasn't properly graded, the upper right part got a scratch that look like part of it has been removed.... I would ask them for a redoing....
You can use acetone and hydrochloric acid on silver and gold coins. Just don't rub them at all ever. If you coins are pure silver or gold you can heat some dirt off them. Do not do it if they are alloy though or it will mess them up. Lastly if you use acetone and or hydrochloric acid you may have uneven toning because the removal of the dirt will leave a less toned spot. To remedy this you can place coin, silver, in a container with aluminum and pour hot water mixed with baking soda and the sulfur that makes tarnish will be drawn out of the coin and into the aluminum. It is a chemical reaction that does not effect the silver. Everything mentioned, except the heating, is safe on silver coins containing copper.
I have practiced these methods on low valued coins and if you are going to try I suggest you do the same. I researched what acids have no effect on gold, silver, and copper. This is science and can be researched by anyone. The heating method was discovered when I was trying to get "milk" spots off of ASE bullion coin and it worked amazingly well. I placed ASE on burner and turned it on high. Poof, the spots turned into little puffs of smoke. I tried it on a silver coin alloyed with copper and it screwed it up. I assume because copper and silver expand at different rates so when heated it effected the coin.
I bet you one day of that 1932 quarter’s A mechanic had it and possibly spilled a little bit of battery acid on to it and that battery acid had a chance to eat away part of the wing
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Sometimes a scratch gives the coin a good story. If the coin is from the late 1800s and then in the 1920s there were a lot of fake coins people might have scratched it to see if it's real, that would give the coin more nostalgic rarity. Very few intelligent collectors look for Marks & Scratches.
Any news on the Indian head five dollars. Also just found, and bought a quarter Indian dated 1912 with cords under chin. something very interesting going on here.
You got another one? Wow. A quarter eagle this time...I'm up in Canada for a few weeks gold mining and have limited internet service. I'll do research on your Indians when I get back to Los Angeles. If you can find someone with a smart phone you can have them take a photo of both coins and email them to me. Congratulations on another great find.
Great to hear from you. The coin is one hundred per cent genuine with carbon type dirt. As said again not able to take pictures, but will try and get stephen or another friend to send to you. It does seem to me that the mint has picked up dies, that should not have been used. Belle Lyon pratt did have his first dies tampered with by another engraver, which caused an argument, and this does seem as what has happened. You lucky thing, always wanted to have a go at gold mining, but alas no gold in the uk, only a little in Scotland.
Attn: Dr G Love watching your videos over and over we are close to same age and have the same thing in common we are in to Coins and study of. Also getting them graded;}> to keep out the fakes and cleaning:}> out of our collections and hoping to get the highest grades of the Coins, just want to say respect and you would make an excellent speaker you speak very well great job. :-)
Pretty typical grades and I nailed most of them. Considering the cost of of grading and the upper and lower end of the the values. I would not have submitted any of those coins to PCGS (Pretty cloudy Grading Service) for grading. Actually, they are spot on with most of their grades. The MS63 graded coin was a higher grade surprise. Thanks for the video Dude..
You're welcome. The grading services are extremely helpful to me. I pay them both for the authentication service, as well as a professional opinion of the condition. I'm an amateur and still learning. One of the first things I learned was not to trust the opinion of coin shop dealers. Horrible conflict of interest. The $15-20 bucks a coin for grading is well worth it to me. Thanks for the comment.
Hey Dr - new to your channel and had a question.. with the little knowledge I have on coins - does getting the coins graded really raise the value enough to warrant the cost of getting it done?
On higher value coins grading definitely is beneficial. People are much more willing to pay a high price for a coin that has been certified genuine. And as a matter of fact many people these days are paying "only" for the grade. They don't really care what the coin looks like as long as they can put it in what's called a registry set, where collectors compete and get credit for the highest graded coins. But on lower value coins, grading, "or slabbing" is not going raise the sales price enough to cover the cost. It's a gamble for sure. Thanks for the comment.
D Reese: the answer in a word is : YES. I won a Red Cent 1904. The club bought it for $120. It was marked MS65 on the flip. I had it graded and it came back MS66+RD and is listed on PCGS as $2400.
Is it just my tired eyes or does it look like the pinwheel field frosting was recarved (somewhat) meticulously into the die by hand on the counterfeits? Either that, fake bag marks, or a late die stage...though, frankly, I'm not fond of gold coins so I wouldn't know what a 2 1/2$ looks like in person.
You strike MS63 from PCGS on 1928 Indian head AU. Your queries on the Liberty anomaly appears to look like a STRUCK THROUGH GREASE which is a minting error. Congratulations nevertheless!!
People knowingly purchased these fakes because at the time, Americans were prohibited to own gold except for certain collectible coins (the ban on private gold ownership lasted from 1933 until 1974). Those people who wanted to own gold had limited options and were less concerned about authenticity than they were about gold content. Often these days the kids inherit the coins and think they have the real deal until they send them in for grading. Hope yours are gold!
The quarter at the end is only worth it’s weight in silver. Why does it make sense to send off ? Honestly kinda confused Isn’t it expensive getting coins graded
The 1932s Washington quarter is the second highest value date of the entire Washington Quarter series, next to the '32D. It's a high value coin if it's straight graded, and even with a details grade in AU it's still worth much more that melt. I actually like this coin even with the "junk" on the reverse. LOL
Between the 1913 and 1914, I think they switched the gradings...ridiculous. The 58 had scratches and the 55 was beautiful like you said. Depending on who grades it, that's what you get. No verification amongst them in most cases? Then the next scratched 1915 was back to a 58 again?!? BTW, why would you pay to have the obviously scratched ones graded as "scratched" when you can see that yourself? I'm not into gold coins really but the Indian one is nice with that headress- I'd like to hold one.
Hi Memory, I sent these gold coins in for authentication more that for grading. I had some counterfeits and wanted to make sure there were no more in my collection. Even the scratched coins needed to be authenticated. Thanks for all the comments. :)
Dr. G You're welcome- thanks for your response. Are you a Dr.? I heard you speak of mining in the Yukon...In the early 80's my family moved to AZ and we panned for gold (using a dredger) in the creeks around Prescott. Dad got a piece he had melted down around the size of a thick nickel which was stamped. Don't know what happened to it. I liked looking into the cases at banks of the natural gold pieces they had on display. Acts 2:38 Acts 22:16 Mark 16:16 fyi
Good lord ,I love the incuses...cannot WAIT till i can afford one. Probably going to just get some silver rounds with that incuse design to help to stave off the need for abit.
@@Dr.G yeah, in slacking on mt bullion anyway. Lol. Just likewith the palladium eagles. I will get there...and alot sooner for a piece that isnt in wonderfull condition. Im not doing to baddly for being so new and my financial situation...just got my first morgan , pcgs ms 64 1893-0 half with rainbow toned obverse and bright with reverse. Not a rarety, but its super nice for me. Just saw a pcgs ms66+ 1883 O with a toned reverse and abit of toning on the rim of the obverse for $3000 off of a suggested link for coins they say i need in my registery.
@@Dr.G its...eclectic...and small. Lol. I have it listed for the world anyway between pcgs and ncg registry sets so i dont mind giving the basic rundown . Pcgs ms64 1883-o morgan with the toning.a pcgs ms69 2000 1/4 platinum eagle, a pcgs sp69 2013-W burnished eagle with undocumented as of now rim error...both anacs and ngc ms 70 2017 saes the ngc has a straw yellow toning just starting to form... ,a pf 70 ultra cameo 2017-W sae with fdoi & early releases marked label..which is odd to me . Ngc bu 2007 p and d andrew jackson fdoi set and a bu 2008 d john adams fdoi. Ngc bu 09 presidency cent, which i need to mark in the notations as the reason plain bu coins can now be registered (bu fdoi and other specialty labels were ok already) A bu 2010 fdoi First year ceramony shield cent. A few half dollars , dimes and quarters all ngc or pcgs ms/pf 69 or 70 except a 57d fbl franklin half. At ms 64 . a type 2 penny blank in anacs holder, and some attributed but ungraded stuff. 1940 s over s mercury dime, 1939 1-0-V-cw error quarter...i dont remeber what the code means. Lol. And a 1964 b reverse. The rest is just raw waiting for attribution and /grading. If deamed worthy.
Yeah I just got back my 1911 quarter eagle and it came back pcgs ms63 now PCGS coin value says 600 but USA coin book says 1.123:00 so how do you find the true value?
Great stuff again Doctor ! I paused video at 3:25 to write this. I’m gonna guess the 1862-S is fake where it’s far more scarce/rare firstly Secondly if you could try to show us the cartwheel luster that would really help (me anyway). The design features on the 1862-S look flatter or not as sharp . It’s pretty close and a damn good fake though. Are they identical weights and identical circumstances and thickness ? Scary stuff my friend Hahah...4:00 just saw the result ... that was great ! Next time ‘maybe try and show the luster if you could ? I know that’s a lot to ask, so if it’s too difficult obviously it’s no big deal Just a suggestion
I see two problems with buying slabbed coins. The first is counterfeit slabs. I am hearing about the growing problem of cheap or counterfeit coins being sold in counterfeit slabs. If you know how to tell an authentic slab from a fake then it's less of a problem, but I'm just getting started. Second is an authentic slab that has been carefully opened, the graded coin removed, and replaced with a similar coin of much lower value. They are re-sealed so well it's almost impossible to tell and the plastic, printing, label, etc. is all legit so no clues there. Are there any solutions for these problems?
Good points. In my opinion, the counterfeit slab problem will probably grow, although I think it is, at present, a very small percentage. Also, I have "opened" many slabs, and from my experience it is impossible to remove a coin from a slab and not destroy the plastic in such a way that the repair is not easily detected. These slabs, if correctly assembled, are effectively one piece of plastic. The plastic is going to have to be broken, or cut. I guess anything is possible, but I'n my limited experience haven't seen it. I guess it's also possible for an insider, or an employee of the injection molding company that supplies the slab parts to obtain the slab halves, and weld a counterfeit coin of lesser quality inside with an original information card. I probably shouldn't give anyone any ideas, but since you're bringing it up.... The best way to guarantee authenticity I guess is to photograph every coin graded and put that information up on a data base for potential buyers to verify. Many of the higher end coins are in fact photographed by PCGS using their Gold Shield service and can be checked. Thanks for the comment.
The interesting thing is that there are two separate graders for each coin. Followed by one more to triple check before it's released. I don't know enough about these coins to really say too much. Thanks for the comment.
Yes, they require a membership, and they have different levels, based on how many coins you will be sending in. Coin grading is "not cheap". Thanks for watching and commenting.
You said you cleaned the quarter. What exactly did you do and how? You may have already answered the question, but I couldn't find it reading down through the comments. Sorry if this is a repeat.
Bill, I used a little diluted potassium hydroxide mixed with some soap as a surfactant. You can use either potassium or sodium hydroxide. Thanks for watching.
Thanks. I am pretty new to collecting and have been learning about the "cleaning" debate. Was surprised that you said you had cleaned it and that it didn't come back as "cleaned". I have heard the the grading companies "clean" "properly" ...whatever that is. So, if they can "clean" "properly", why can't I? And have heard of dipping, though I've never done it. I've messed with hot water and on aluminum foil with a pinch of washing soda on coins the of low value anyway. Was amazed at the difference, though wouldn't do it on anything worth much. Just wondering what graders would call "cleaned". I've gotten some mixed feedback from dealers. Seems the scream "never clean!" because they realize / fear there are many who don't understand how to do it safely and properly. I'm just trying to get to the bottom of it and into the details of what professional graders do and don't do. Obviously anything abrasive is horrible / stupid. But I hot water and some dilute chemical accepted? And I also realize that copper or nickel would be different than silver. Also have an in law with a bunch of indian pennies the got moist against plastic album cover and turned green. Need to find out what to do about that. Thanks for the video and the response.
Yeah, I don't want to do much to anything of any value. I recently submitted 5 coins for restoration to PCGS and they chose not to touch any of them. "rejected them". It still cost me $10 per coin for them to simply "evaluate them". Copper is the worst. The copper oxide is tough to manage without doing some major alteration to the surface. PVC is pretty easy to remove with acetone, but the metal is often already damaged, so removing the PVC just stops additional harm. I have never done any "dipping", I guess that can be harsh if repeated. So many coins have been damaged in the past by people trying to clean them, I guess it is best to just leave any cleaning of valuable coins to the experts. Thanks for the comment.
Hi, lovely video. Just wondered why each of the gold coins have $2.50 on the top right? That can't be the value, or sale price...so why does it say $2.50?
I just keep them with a notation that they are fake. They are made of real gold but I would never melt them down. Part of numismatic history. Thanks for the comment.
All the AU coins were AU; there was obvious light wear on them. The scratches are unfortunate; is that common with gold coins? I might even say most were cleaned but PCGS might have felt sorry for you and cut you some breaks! Especially on the MS coins...!! LOL
I hate when comes back as details. I sent a 1876 $5 CC that was cleaned for sure and it came back vf30 so you never know. It looked like it was cleaned a long time ago so maybe they let it slide.
A lot of coins in a bag will injure each other when a mint employee handles the bag. In the old days they used to throw large burlap bags of new coins in a stack. All the marks they leave on each other we call bag marks. Just coins hitting coins. Thanks for the comment.
I wish my collection was as nice as yours lol one of your coins is worth more than my whole group ,but I'm still building it up ,saving them for my son who will be here Jan 31st ,first kid , he will have a lot of different collections I collect old bottles (I'm from Massachusetts so lots of old glass bottle dumps ) and have a very large collection of native American artifacts ,around 500 arrowheads ,stone axes ,hammerstones ,pottery etc ,that's my main collection but I've always loved coins since I was a kid and my father found a 1909svdb in a register at his work ,he got it graded au58 ,but I'm not that lucky ,I do have some ok stuff but all lower grades g4-vg12 but my beat would be a 1867 shield nickel vf20 ,and 1847o seated liberty half dollar g6 and a nice 1847 braided hair vf20 ,but I do have a lot of random proofs ,Rosies ,Jefferson's, and Lincolns, but nothing like yours
Hahahah, you should see some of the Eagles the U.S. mint produced in the really early years. :) Horrible. In comparison this one is pretty good actually. I guess it's not easy to engrave/design an eagle. The reverse of the 'Walking Liberty' half dollar has my favorite eagle; a beautiful example.
The other point I wanted to mention, is I thought your 1928 Indian head quarter eagle would grade ms 62 or ms63 and not scratched is because from what I see of the picture of your coin, its not a scratch but a flaw. They never mention flaws digs or edge nicks which is joke god knows why not, as its all part of grading. I have an Indian 1908 eagle with a dig under neck obverse, but they still say its ms63 a bit silly.
I'm with you Philip. The grading companies totally leave things like that out. It's a good opportunity for someone to cherry pick. This "sight unseen grading" is a joke. Who would buy a coin without looking at it? Thanks for the comments.
Sin I’m a collector bud. Collectors don’t sell. It’s the principle of the thing. I leave that part of it to the criminal dealers who are looking to buy your deceased family members collection for pennies on the dollar. Lol
@@MrSinobi52 They don't have to be rare at all. They may have only sentimental value, but whatever the value, you have to consider the expense of grading before choosing to do so. It's not cheap. LOL
$2 1/2 Indians are my specialty. The MS63 looks like an error coin, you may want to resubmit under the error category. Let me know if it is for sale ;)
i appreciate the way you present your coins in a way that lets the novice try to learn what to look for as far as guessing grading.
i have to think that they may have graded them 1st in a group and then slabbed them incorrectly. that 1928 was definitely damaged. no offense. still great coins one and all
Thanks Icon2012. I'm glad you enjoyed it.
A fun and very enlightening video, my friend! I enjoy seeing your reaction as you view and reveal the grade. Grades were seemingly a bit all over the place. Interns at PCGS getting a crack at assigning grades?🤔😂 Thanks for this. The 32S is still nice in the holder
Yeah, that was my first video and I didn't have a clue. LOL. But it sure was fun. Learning new things seems to be my greatest pleasure now a days. This hobby is so "deep" It looks like I'll be enjoying it for a long time. :) I realize now that I could have done a video on each one of those coins. Hahah. Thanks for the comment my friend.
Nice video. Appreciated the way you went about revealing each slab.
Thanks my friend. Glad you liked it.
MAKE A VIDEO ABOUT HOW TO FILL OUT THE FORM TO SUBMIT COINS TO PCGS FOR THE ONES OF US HOW ARE BEGINNERS
Yes!!
I'm waiting on my papers now from NGC. I would love to see that.
Ima gonna work on getting mine graded soon
WHY ARE YOU YELLING
You got the grader who had a liquid lunch before grading with that MS63. Good for you, usually it goes the other way.
The 1932 quarter is some of the most weird valuated coins of them all. The MS66 is $800 but the MS67 is worth a whole $10,000 to $15,000. An almost twenty-folded value increase from 66 to 67. Unheard of, as far as I'm concerned
In 1968 I collected coins I had a 32D quarter for lunch knowing it's aga, I spent it,that lunch cost me $$$$$ totally stupid
10:57 "I'm not very good". Spot on.
They had a blind person grading most of this stuff
Hahah, looks like it sometimes. Check out the cameo vid. :)
And this is the pinnacle, the upper echelon of grading companies... lol how sad. So much HYPE. Thats what I see with PCGS and the coin community and Heritage Auctions mostly is to blaim for it..
Excellent video! The MS63 probably was a lamination error and hence legit. Now I am off to watching all your other videos. Subbed.
Yea, pretty strange. Thanks for watching. Subbed as well.
Lmao @ Ms 63 , chewed up 😂😂😂
Love watching you videos Dr. I'm shocked to see how little subscribers you have. I love watching and living vicariously through you, haha!
Haha, thanks. I have fun doing them. I do these mostly for myself. One day I'll look back at them and remember what I was doing when I was younger. LOL It's just an added bonus to me if other people enjoy them as well. Thanks for the comment.
I know right... lol
I work 7 days a week and don't have the time or money to do what he does. .... but I damn sure am addicted to watching it.
Coin grading is subjective!
I get a vicarious thrill out of looking at these coins. A lot of these I can't afford.
Damn, the counterfeiters are getting better and better with the fake coins! Does the 1862 weigh what it’s supposed to?
Thanks for sharing your submission results, it is so informative, and your presentation is well done!
Thanks a lot my friend. The gold coins are within the correct weight. I guess the counterfeiters thought the numismatic value was worth the effort, although I can't really see the point. I appreciate the comment.
Your 1928 MS63 with metal missing at the top looks to me like a strike through error. Maybe a resubmit would be wise for that designation. Due to the current interest in errors it might prove very lucrative for you to get some other opinions. Nice haul 😊
I’ll have a closer look. Thanks 👍
Just found your channel and subscribed. Great video. Love the unveilings. I am new to collecting and never knew of gold Indian quarters. They are amazingly beautiful. Thanks for sharing.
Get your collection together and make some videos. LOL I'd love to see it. 👍😊
1928 ms63 it looks like its been struck through grease struck on top right its a expensive mint error and you might have specify and pay more to get it graded that way
Any plans to add new videos? Would really look forward to seeing them.
Yeah the plans and material are there but the time needs to be arranged lol. Hopefully I can get going again. Thanks for the check up 👍
Dr G, where have you been pal. In the Yukon panning I’d guess. Anyway we need some more videos buddy.
you have a beautiful group of classic coins there.I am contemplating a few purchases of $10 indian half eagles.
Thanks for watching Mikey. I appreciate it. :)
Your 1928 2.5 dollar ms63 you got a lucky grade for that one that's great, I've had went to a coin dealer in 2000 or 2001 I bought a 1911-p Indian gold coin and cherry picked 1952-s Wheatie they sat for 20yrs I had them in a sleeve so going through my coins I found them I forgot all about them so I sent them out I was highly surprised when I got them back the 1952's wheat penny came back ms66 and my 1911 p' two-and-a-half-dollar Indian gold coin came back ms63 I was really surprised I got that grade for that, and now gold is up the year is 2020 right now, so to make a long story short I'm a happy camper. Nice video, remember you win some you lose some, but I guess in the end it all works out.
John Starr what a great story John. I love hear that. You had a good eye back then and didn’t realize it. Very cool. 👍👍
Ouch. I saw the color was too consistent color being an alloy metallic coin. 1902 is a really good fake knowing there's a little discoloration because of the copper content. Geez at least they weren't pre 34 gold eagles. Must be easier to dump fractional which will make me even more diligent on small gold coins
Yeah, you definitely need to check out the gold. I had no clue on the 1902, which led me to certify the other gold coins I had. So many counterfeits now.
Very Nice collection wanting to send a couple in myself.
Thanks Bruce. It's a lot of fun seeing what they grade out at. Share them with us when you get them back.
Nice show and tell Dr. G. I have never graded gold before. Just can't afford such. But I must say your video system setup shows details pretty well. I managed to grade the majority accurately. Yes, the dings you see are most likely from bagging. But long scratches tend to be caused by handling. Also look at the edges of the coins, which can tell a lot about the condition.
I noticed your extreme disappointment at the scratched coins. I am wondering why you purchased them, unless you got them through the internet. Many people will position a coin so that the lighting will wash out some imperfections. Best thing to do if you are at all in doubt is to ask the seller to send you an enhanced photo. If they refuse, then something is amiss.
Good luck with your collecting.
Thanks a lot for the comment Caley. You're a better grader than I am, for sure. It's fun to try anyway, :)
the edge is the third surface of the coin
I have yet to buy any gold, so you're pretty lucky with a great collection. Nice video and keep them coming.
Need more DR G in my life.
Good videos
The luster on that 1926 that was MS-63 I thought. MS-64. Beautiful coin.
Thanks for the comments Jerald 👍
@@Dr.G I ve wanted to send in my 1911 D 2.50 Gild Eagle in for grading. How did you know how much to insure those coins of gold for ?
Just estimated Jerald. Since I didn't know the grade before hand, I didn't know how much it's worth. Tough call.
I've go a 1933 St. Gaudens double eagle, I think it's fake but I can't be sure?
Hey DocG
What do they charge per coin to grade?
Too much. LOL. The prices vary with the value of the coin. But on average $30 bucks, plus shipping, handling, and membership fees. You have to be careful to grade only coins that have the possibility of being valuable enough to justify the grading expense. It's a gamble in other words. 😊
Love your stuff and unboxing from the grading services. That Indian Coin 2-1/2 looked like a big chunk was out, WOW I with you on that one I never expected it was a mint error or defect, you might want to re submit?
Yeah, pretty strange. They gave it a 63 though, if I resubmit they might find something wrong and downgrade. But if someone were to ever purchase that coin, I imagine the defect would be a concern. Thanks for watching, and commenting Dave.
nice vid, i dont know how you got a 63 on that one
Jimmygunz81 yea, I thought it was a counterfeit LOL.
And you trust PCGS now???
I’ve learned that PCGS is not very consistent! Your video prove it.
c17360 yeah you have to understand there is a lot of leeway with these grades. I don’t take them too seriously anymore. They’re a great “starting point”. Do your own research and “discover “ what YOU like, not what the graders like. They don’t have to be the same thing. 😊
I think the MS63 wasn't properly graded, the upper right part got a scratch that look like part of it has been removed.... I would ask them for a redoing....
Good Show 👍
Thanks my friend.
You must have some fabulous collection!
Thanks my friend. 😀
"One is real one is fake, they're both fake!" Well thanks dude
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@@Dr.G lol
You can use acetone and hydrochloric acid on silver and gold coins. Just don't rub them at all ever. If you coins are pure silver or gold you can heat some dirt off them. Do not do it if they are alloy though or it will mess them up. Lastly if you use acetone and or hydrochloric acid you may have uneven toning because the removal of the dirt will leave a less toned spot. To remedy this you can place coin, silver, in a container with aluminum and pour hot water mixed with baking soda and the sulfur that makes tarnish will be drawn out of the coin and into the aluminum. It is a chemical reaction that does not effect the silver. Everything mentioned, except the heating, is safe on silver coins containing copper.
I have practiced these methods on low valued coins and if you are going to try I suggest you do the same. I researched what acids have no effect on gold, silver, and copper. This is science and can be researched by anyone. The heating method was discovered when I was trying to get "milk" spots off of ASE bullion coin and it worked amazingly well. I placed ASE on burner and turned it on high. Poof, the spots turned into little puffs of smoke. I tried it on a silver coin alloyed with copper and it screwed it up. I assume because copper and silver expand at different rates so when heated it effected the coin.
I bet you one day of that 1932 quarter’s A mechanic had it and possibly spilled a little bit of battery acid on to it and that battery acid had a chance to eat away part of the wing
Could be Aaron. You never know. :)
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Hey thanks a lot AMC Wagoneer. Those Injun's, lol. I love Flying Eagles... Great Idea bud. That Wagoneer would come in handy in the Yukon. 😊
Sometimes a scratch gives the coin a good story. If the coin is from the late 1800s and then in the 1920s there were a lot of fake coins people might have scratched it to see if it's real, that would give the coin more nostalgic rarity. Very few intelligent collectors look for Marks & Scratches.
Any news on the Indian head five dollars. Also just found, and bought a quarter Indian dated 1912 with cords under chin. something very interesting going on here.
You got another one? Wow. A quarter eagle this time...I'm up in Canada for a few weeks gold mining and have limited internet service. I'll do research on your Indians when I get back to Los Angeles. If you can find someone with a smart phone you can have them take a photo of both coins and email them to me. Congratulations on another great find.
Great to hear from you. The coin is one hundred per cent genuine with carbon type dirt. As said again not able to take pictures, but will try and get stephen or another friend to send to you. It does seem to me that the mint has picked up dies, that should not have been used. Belle Lyon pratt did have his first dies tampered with by another engraver, which caused an argument, and this does seem as what has happened. You lucky thing, always wanted to have a go at gold mining, but alas no gold in the uk, only a little in Scotland.
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Attn: Dr G Love watching your videos over and over we are close to same age and have the same thing in common we are in to Coins and study of.
Also getting them graded;}> to keep out the fakes and cleaning:}> out of our collections and hoping to get the highest grades of the Coins, just want to say respect and you would make an excellent speaker you speak very well great job. :-)
Thanks a lot Dave. Sounds like you're enjoying the coins as much as I am. Appreciate it.
Very nice 32s quarter,wow
Thanks, that rust is a bit odd though. 👍
@@Dr.G it gives it character,lol. I've sold some rough 32s for good money,that is a great looking coin imo
Thanks bud. :)
Super cool video! I was so excited to see what the grades would be.. congrats!
Thanks, glad you liked it. 😊
100%!
Pretty typical grades and I nailed most of them. Considering the cost of of grading and the upper and lower end of the the values. I would not have submitted any of those coins to PCGS (Pretty cloudy Grading Service) for grading. Actually, they are spot on with most of their grades. The MS63 graded coin was a higher grade surprise. Thanks for the video Dude..
You're welcome. The grading services are extremely helpful to me. I pay them both for the authentication service, as well as a professional opinion of the condition. I'm an amateur and still learning. One of the first things I learned was not to trust the opinion of coin shop dealers. Horrible conflict of interest. The $15-20 bucks a coin for grading is well worth it to me.
Thanks for the comment.
The weight of the fakes are very close to what they should be so they're probably mostly gold, but I haven't done a specific gravity test on them.
Hey Dr - new to your channel and had a question.. with the little knowledge I have on coins - does getting the coins graded really raise the value enough to warrant the cost of getting it done?
On higher value coins grading definitely is beneficial. People are much more willing to pay a high price for a coin that has been certified genuine. And as a matter of fact many people these days are paying "only" for the grade. They don't really care what the coin looks like as long as they can put it in what's called a registry set, where collectors compete and get credit for the highest graded coins. But on lower value coins, grading, "or slabbing" is not going raise the sales price enough to cover the cost. It's a gamble for sure. Thanks for the comment.
D Reese: the answer in a word is : YES.
I won a Red Cent 1904. The club bought it for $120. It was marked MS65 on the flip. I had it graded and it came back MS66+RD and is listed on PCGS as $2400.
Is it just my tired eyes or does it look like the pinwheel field frosting was recarved (somewhat) meticulously into the die by hand on the counterfeits? Either that, fake bag marks, or a late die stage...though, frankly, I'm not fond of gold coins so I wouldn't know what a 2 1/2$ looks like in person.
Not sure Dusty, your guess would be as good as mine. :)
You strike MS63 from PCGS on 1928 Indian head AU. Your queries on the Liberty anomaly appears to look like a STRUCK THROUGH GREASE which is a minting error. Congratulations nevertheless!!
Hey, that would be interesting. :) Thanks for the observation, and comment.
People knowingly purchased these fakes because at the time, Americans were prohibited to own gold except for certain collectible coins (the ban on private gold ownership lasted from 1933 until 1974). Those people who wanted to own gold had limited options and were less concerned about authenticity than they were about gold content. Often these days the kids inherit the coins and think they have the real deal until they send them in for grading. Hope yours are gold!
Did you ever make a video on how you enhance make some of your coins look better.
No Ken, I'm not crazy about anyone cleaning coins. Too many coins have been really damaged by good intentions. Best to just leave them alone. 😊
@@Dr.G I know what ya mean , But.
Hahahah
The quarter at the end is only worth it’s weight in silver. Why does it make sense to send off ? Honestly kinda confused
Isn’t it expensive getting coins graded
The 1932s Washington quarter is the second highest value date of the entire Washington Quarter series, next to the '32D. It's a high value coin if it's straight graded, and even with a details grade in AU it's still worth much more that melt. I actually like this coin even with the "junk" on the reverse. LOL
Between the 1913 and 1914, I think they switched the gradings...ridiculous. The 58 had scratches and the 55 was beautiful like you said. Depending on who grades it, that's what you get. No verification amongst them in most cases?
Then the next scratched 1915 was back to a 58 again?!?
BTW, why would you pay to have the obviously scratched ones graded as "scratched" when you can see that yourself?
I'm not into gold coins really but the Indian one is nice with that headress- I'd like to hold one.
Hi Memory, I sent these gold coins in for authentication more that for grading. I had some counterfeits and wanted to make sure there were no more in my collection. Even the scratched coins needed to be authenticated.
Thanks for all the comments. :)
Dr. G You're welcome- thanks for your response. Are you a Dr.?
I heard you speak of mining in the Yukon...In the early 80's my family moved to AZ and we panned for gold (using a dredger) in the creeks around Prescott. Dad got a piece he had melted down around the size of a thick nickel which was stamped. Don't know what happened to it. I liked looking into the cases at banks of the natural gold pieces they had on display. Acts 2:38 Acts 22:16 Mark 16:16 fyi
That ms63 has a error is why it looks funny no material was removed looks like a die clash or strike threw
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This was fun, great video for gradig training. Subbed.
Thanks, as you can see, I have a lot to learn. LOL At least no more counterfeits
If you were to resell the good coins what would they go for??
Not sure. I'm a collector and I don't plan on ever selling. The value is just a curiosity. 😊
Just discovered you today and,I subscribed!
Thanks for watching Faith.
I recently discovered this cool channel too!
$2.50 ? They're worth more in melt value aren't they?
Absolutely my friend 👍
are the counterfeits real gold at least?
Good lord ,I love the incuses...cannot WAIT till i can afford one. Probably going to just get some silver rounds with that incuse design to help to stave off the need for abit.
corey merrill. There you go Corey. :)
@@Dr.G yeah, in slacking on mt bullion anyway. Lol. Just likewith the palladium eagles. I will get there...and alot sooner for a piece that isnt in wonderfull condition.
Im not doing to baddly for being so new and my financial situation...just got my first morgan , pcgs ms 64 1893-0 half with rainbow toned obverse and bright with reverse. Not a rarety, but its super nice for me. Just saw a pcgs ms66+ 1883 O with a toned reverse and abit of toning on the rim of the obverse for $3000 off of a suggested link for coins they say i need in my registery.
corey merrill wow expensive registry coins for sure. Sounds like you have a nice collection. 👍
@@Dr.G its...eclectic...and small. Lol. I have it listed for the world anyway between pcgs and ncg registry sets so i dont mind giving the basic rundown . Pcgs ms64 1883-o morgan with the toning.a pcgs ms69 2000 1/4 platinum eagle, a pcgs sp69 2013-W burnished eagle with undocumented as of now rim error...both anacs and ngc ms 70 2017 saes the ngc has a straw yellow toning just starting to form... ,a pf 70 ultra cameo 2017-W sae with fdoi & early releases marked label..which is odd to me .
Ngc bu 2007 p and d andrew jackson fdoi set and a bu 2008 d john adams fdoi. Ngc bu 09 presidency cent, which i need to mark in the notations as the reason plain bu coins can now be registered (bu fdoi and other specialty labels were ok already)
A bu 2010 fdoi First year ceramony shield cent. A few half dollars , dimes and quarters all ngc or pcgs ms/pf 69 or 70 except a 57d fbl franklin half. At ms 64 . a type 2 penny blank in anacs holder, and some attributed but ungraded stuff. 1940 s over s mercury dime, 1939 1-0-V-cw error quarter...i dont remeber what the code means. Lol. And a 1964 b reverse. The rest is just raw waiting for attribution and /grading. If deamed worthy.
Congrats nice vid, I will be sure to do the ping and magnetic test on every coin I purchase from now on.
Wise move. You can't be too careful.
Yeah I just got back my 1911 quarter eagle and it came back pcgs ms63 now PCGS coin value says 600 but USA coin book says 1.123:00 so how do you find the true value?
Send it to Heritage Auction and find out haha you will be the defining factor of your question.
@@mainegus9984 I'll just keep it
Ever try to use PCGS restoration service? Many times it can increase the grade.
I have used them, with mixed results. Some coins they helped, some they couldn't do anything with.
Great stuff again Doctor !
I paused video at 3:25 to write this. I’m gonna guess the 1862-S is fake where it’s far more scarce/rare firstly
Secondly if you could try to show us the cartwheel luster that would really help (me anyway). The design features on the 1862-S look flatter or not as sharp . It’s pretty close and a damn good fake though.
Are they identical weights and identical circumstances and thickness ?
Scary stuff my friend
Hahah...4:00 just saw the result ... that was great !
Next time ‘maybe try and show the luster if you could ?
I know that’s a lot to ask, so if it’s too difficult obviously it’s no big deal
Just a suggestion
Hahahahah, Love it. Yeah, I do my best to show the coins. 👍
Really enjoyed this.
Thanks Steven. :)
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I see two problems with buying slabbed coins. The first is counterfeit slabs. I am hearing about the growing problem of cheap or counterfeit coins being sold in counterfeit slabs. If you know how to tell an authentic slab from a fake then it's less of a problem, but I'm just getting started. Second is an authentic slab that has been carefully opened, the graded coin removed, and replaced with a similar coin of much lower value. They are re-sealed so well it's almost impossible to tell and the plastic, printing, label, etc. is all legit so no clues there. Are there any solutions for these problems?
Good points. In my opinion, the counterfeit slab problem will probably grow, although I think it is, at present, a very small percentage.
Also, I have "opened" many slabs, and from my experience it is impossible to remove a coin from a slab and not destroy the plastic in such a way that the repair is not easily detected. These slabs, if correctly assembled, are effectively one piece of plastic. The plastic is going to have to be broken, or cut. I guess anything is possible, but I'n my limited experience haven't seen it.
I guess it's also possible for an insider, or an employee of the injection molding company that supplies the slab parts to obtain the slab halves, and weld a counterfeit coin of lesser quality inside with an original information card. I probably shouldn't give anyone any ideas, but since you're bringing it up....
The best way to guarantee authenticity I guess is to photograph every coin graded and put that information up on a data base for potential buyers to verify. Many of the higher end coins are in fact photographed by PCGS using their Gold Shield service and can be checked. Thanks for the comment.
This just shows me that getting coins graded by the one that did those coins is a waste of money...
The interesting thing is that there are two separate graders for each coin. Followed by one more to triple check before it's released. I don't know enough about these coins to really say too much. Thanks for the comment.
If they are real gold aren't they still worth something?
Yes Chris. Not a total loss. 👍
do you have to have a membership in order to send in coins to be graded?
Yes, they require a membership, and they have different levels, based on how many coins you will be sending in. Coin grading is "not cheap". Thanks for watching and commenting.
You said you cleaned the quarter. What exactly did you do and how? You may have already answered the question, but I couldn't find it reading down through the comments. Sorry if this is a repeat.
Bill, I used a little diluted potassium hydroxide mixed with some soap as a surfactant. You can use either potassium or sodium hydroxide. Thanks for watching.
Thanks. I am pretty new to collecting and have been learning about the "cleaning" debate. Was surprised that you said you had cleaned it and that it didn't come back as "cleaned". I have heard the the grading companies "clean" "properly" ...whatever that is. So, if they can "clean" "properly", why can't I? And have heard of dipping, though I've never done it. I've messed with hot water and on aluminum foil with a pinch of washing soda on coins the of low value anyway. Was amazed at the difference, though wouldn't do it on anything worth much. Just wondering what graders would call "cleaned". I've gotten some mixed feedback from dealers. Seems the scream "never clean!" because they realize / fear there are many who don't understand how to do it safely and properly. I'm just trying to get to the bottom of it and into the details of what professional graders do and don't do. Obviously anything abrasive is horrible / stupid. But I hot water and some dilute chemical accepted? And I also realize that copper or nickel would be different than silver. Also have an in law with a bunch of indian pennies the got moist against plastic album cover and turned green. Need to find out what to do about that. Thanks for the video and the response.
Yeah, I don't want to do much to anything of any value. I recently submitted 5 coins for restoration to PCGS and they chose not to touch any of them. "rejected them". It still cost me $10 per coin for them to simply
"evaluate them". Copper is the worst. The copper oxide is tough to manage without doing some major alteration to the surface. PVC is pretty easy to remove with acetone, but the metal is often already damaged, so removing the PVC just stops additional harm. I have never done any "dipping", I guess that can be harsh if repeated. So many coins have been damaged in the past by people trying to clean them, I guess it is best to just leave any cleaning of valuable coins to the experts. Thanks for the comment.
Hi, lovely video. Just wondered why each of the gold coins have $2.50 on the top right? That can't be the value, or sale price...so why does it say $2.50?
2.50 is the dollar value of the coin. They made 1.00, 2.50, 3.00, 5.00, 10.00, and 20.00 gold coins. Thanks for the comment.
Thank you :-)
Dr. G they also made a $4 known as a “Stella”
wow those old gold look really good, scary good for being fake. are they still gold?
Yes, Marty. Gold, but fake. 😢
What do you do with fake coins after you find out is fake ?
I just keep them with a notation that they are fake. They are made of real gold but I would never melt them down. Part of numismatic history. Thanks for the comment.
Good Information, thanks for posting.
You're welcome, thanks for watching.
Good info like your videos man. What kind of camera do you use?
I use an apple iPhone SE. The trick is the lighting and positioning. Glad you like the vids, thanks.
All the AU coins were AU; there was obvious light wear on them. The scratches are unfortunate; is that common with gold coins? I might even say most were cleaned but PCGS might have felt sorry for you and cut you some breaks! Especially on the MS coins...!! LOL
Yeah, it's tough to tell what has happened to these coins over the years. I guess you just do the best you can. Thanks for the comment.
I hate when comes back as details.
I sent a 1876 $5 CC that was cleaned for sure and it came back vf30 so you never know. It looked like it was cleaned a long time ago so maybe they let it slide.
Yeah, you never know Tyler. You really have to take a look for yourself and not rely on the grade. Thanks for the comment.
So did you take the counterfeits back where you bought them?
Ha, They were part of an inheritance I received from a wealthy relative. He probably didn't know they were fake.
Dr. G. ...your ace novice here!!! What are bag marks? I hear you use this term & I'm clueless!
A lot of coins in a bag will injure each other when a mint employee handles the bag. In the old days they used to throw large burlap bags of new coins in a stack. All the marks they leave on each other we call bag marks. Just coins hitting coins. Thanks for the comment.
Where did you get the fakes from ??????
Gary H part of a larger collection.
Thank you for sharing. I was glued to my phone.
Dennis Mendoza
Haha thanks Dennis, I appreciate the comment.
Where did you get the fake ones from
Part of an old collection. Before third party grading was common. Thanks for the comment
Are the counterfeit coins actually made of real gold? They don't look plated to me.
I'm not sure doc. I need to do a specific gravity test on them to find out. When I have more time I'll give it a go. Thanks for watching.
What do you do with the counterfeit pieces ? I'd actually like to get one just to learn from ,to see if I could spot a fake from a real
I'm going to keep them all. The weight is close to what it should be so they're probably real gold.
Plus great learning tool, I was wondering if there real gold or not , another threat video
Great
Ha, thanks brother. The 1862 quarter eagle was obviously made before third party grading. No one will buy a 30k coin raw nowadays.
I wish my collection was as nice as yours lol one of your coins is worth more than my whole group ,but I'm still building it up ,saving them for my son who will be here Jan 31st ,first kid , he will have a lot of different collections I collect old bottles (I'm from Massachusetts so lots of old glass bottle dumps ) and have a very large collection of native American artifacts ,around 500 arrowheads ,stone axes ,hammerstones ,pottery etc ,that's my main collection but I've always loved coins since I was a kid and my father found a 1909svdb in a register at his work ,he got it graded au58 ,but I'm not that lucky ,I do have some ok stuff but all lower grades g4-vg12 but my beat would be a 1867 shield nickel vf20 ,and 1847o seated liberty half dollar g6 and a nice 1847 braided hair vf20 ,but I do have a lot of random proofs ,Rosies ,Jefferson's, and Lincolns, but nothing like yours
How do you know they were not switched
I guess you never know for sure John. 😊
Damn the eagle on the fake coins looks like a kfc chicken or something mutated haha
Hahahah, you should see some of the Eagles the U.S. mint produced in the really early years. :) Horrible. In comparison this one is pretty good actually. I guess it's not easy to engrave/design an eagle. The reverse of the 'Walking Liberty' half dollar has my favorite eagle; a beautiful example.
Great video!
Thanks.
I have a 1912 2.5 dollar gold Indian and a 1834 bust half dollar I wanna send to NGC. The bust has a rim ding though I imagine they won't slab it huh?
They probably will slab it with a details grade as damaged. At least you will know if it's real or not. Thanks for the comment my friend.
They probably will slab it with a details grade as damaged. At least you will know if it's real or not. Thanks for the comment my friend.
It's really nice! Only bad spot is the little rim ding. It's toned amazing to. It's a very nice coin. Just hate that spot on it. Thanks for replying.
If you ever want to sell the counterfeit gold coins please let me know I'd be a buyer
Will do. :)
Who sold these to you?
These were part of a larger collection from an estate.
I don’t mean to insult anyone out there But can the cases be opened up and switch out the coins
You have to break the plastic to get the coin out of these holders. They are sonically welded. Thanks for the comment. 👍
Dr. G Thanks I’m kind of new at this
The other point I wanted to mention, is I thought your 1928 Indian head quarter eagle would grade ms 62 or ms63 and not scratched is because from what I see of the picture of your coin, its not a scratch but a flaw. They never mention flaws digs or edge nicks which is joke god knows why not, as its all part of grading. I have an Indian 1908 eagle with a dig under neck obverse, but they still say its ms63 a bit silly.
I'm with you Philip. The grading companies totally leave things like that out. It's a good opportunity for someone to cherry pick. This "sight unseen grading" is a joke. Who would buy a coin without looking at it? Thanks for the comments.
Where do you sell your coins?
Sin I’m a collector bud. Collectors don’t sell. It’s the principle of the thing. I leave that part of it to the criminal dealers who are looking to buy your deceased family members collection for pennies on the dollar. Lol
@@Dr.G Might be a stupid question and I should do my research before but you only send in rare coins to get it graded correct?
@@MrSinobi52 They don't have to be rare at all. They may have only sentimental value, but whatever the value, you have to consider the expense of grading before choosing to do so. It's not cheap. LOL
Where did you purchase the fake coins? Online? Local coin dealer? Private? Thanks
The fake coins came from an old collection I inherited. Luckily those are the only fakes I have found so far. Thanks for the comment.
Thank you.
$2 1/2 Indians are my specialty. The MS63 looks like an error coin, you may want to resubmit under the error category. Let me know if it is for sale ;)
Hey cool. Thanks for the info, I'll have a closer look and maybe do that John. :)
Nice gold Dr.
You never know, lol