USAF Security Forces EST buiding clearance and room clearing
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- Room to room clearing procedures with the TRF/Security Forces in Cheyenne, Wyoming. This was one of the first runs these guys did. They were used to doing the same thing over and over again so we changed a couple things up. The shoot house had to ability to re-arrange doors and walls so this was the first time they saw a new setup. Being uncomfortable and learning something new is a good thing. Slow is smooth and smooth is fast. I understand that this looks like a clusterfuck but how about the first time you tried anything new. I'm sure you weren't great at it. We do not fall to the level of our expectations. We fall to the level of our training.
I like the part where he ripped off his front grip.
A simple saying to remind you of CQB and to perfect room clearance.
"The 4 s's and the A plus the C equals CQB"
The 4 s's stand for speed, surprise, smoothness and security.
The A means accuracy and the C means communication.
These are the basics of CQB.
Only faults i could see are the sledge and the door ram. Good job boys. Nice work and good efficiency. Good teamwork, good POD, good cover.
Thanks man. Its easy to "arm chair Quarterback" these guys. People have no idea what it takes to really work as a team to clear out a building.
@ryanberger871 These guys were so bad because it was only Day 2 of training. I have videos of when they're actually fully trained and running at full speed but unfortunately my computer took a dump with all those vids. I'm going to look around see if I can find some others.
This was actually REALLY good. A lot of videos don’t show this level.
Read the description and actually for a first time and a video like this in general it’s one the better ones I’ve seen from Security Forces
Vertical foregrip? I don't need no stinkin' vertical foregrip!
Three things that could be argued and/or talked about all day long are Polilitics, Religion and Tactics. There is no "One way" to clear a building. As long as what you're doing makes sense, what are your gains and loses, and all of your points are effective and teachable by ALL of your operators. The more that everyone understands what you are trying to achieve, not just going through the motions, the smoother your operations will go.
I mean I agree. But there are some basic rules. Like not stopping in the funnel...
Great job. Don't pay any attention to these guys weak criticism. All these comments or "suggestions" are a bunch of hindsight,20/20 arm chair generals. We hear about that phrase all the time in guardmont, and here it is all over channel comments. I'd like to see these clowns go through your course.
There are almost no games that are close to reality, in reality there is no "you are hit, hide to restore health" things as well as the weapon recoil and all that things you need to think about when in real action. You need to handle stress, equipement, create your setup, memorize tons of things, practise your moves to be quiet.
If you are asking what games are really good - I remember three great games. Ghost Recon (first one - for nice gameplay with working supressive fire). Rainbow Six Rouge Spear (for scenarios, feel of a team and hard gameplay) and SWAT 3 (for best feel of police unit in action, it's more about saving lives and forcing enemy to surrender instead of just shooting him up). Maybe they are old, but they are really close to reality in their gameplay.
Cheers and thanks for nice upload, it's nice to see those guys tighting their skills.
+AirsoftAddicted Thanks man. Its all a learning experience.
AirsoftAddicted this is kind of late, but Arma 3 is pretty good if you have a decent pc
MCUser Yea, I love Arma 3. Thanks for info ;-) And it's not as that "PC hardcore" as you may think.
Regards, all best.
Thats because its nearly impossible to replicate.
Crawl, walk, run. This is what happens when you learn to crawl and try to run. Take the sims away from these guys and make them do dry runs until they get it right.
flooding rooms with guns is the key along with communication team building and getting that warm and fuzzy takes time , as a 1* you're always an uninvited guest so bring all the friends to the party you can lol
I'm surprised at how fun this actually looks.
I also appreciate everyone's comments. From the bad to the good ones. There was alot that these guys took away from their training and they watched the same videos that you guys are watching to find ways to correct themselves.
You fall to the level of your training not to the level of your expectations.
The military often trains with airsoft, as well as paintballs and once in awhile sim rounds. How do I know? Four years Army Infantry (2-162 Inf, 41st Brigade Combat Team). My unit has used air soft a number of times and paintballs once (a few weeks ago actually) since I've been in. It's the only safe way to do real force on force training.
Good training film/action. Doing this sort of clearing is the most difficult, especially as you become disorientated like being in a maze.
Other than the guy not being aware the door opened (what looked like; luckily not shot by the killer paint rounds), everything looked good to me. Most important part, to me, was the muzzle awareness, attention to detail and great team work. Nice job gents. ~USMC SSgt
flagging not clering corners....way to go
For everyone who is asking, these guys are using Simunitions with conversion kits on M-4s. And they're only using 9mm Simunitions not the full FX 5.56 metal jackets. If anyone has ever used the 5.56mm then you know that they will literally go through walls because they have so much velocity. Its the USAF so there's alot of safety involved.
Really cool video with good training. I miss the SF brotherhood. DF. ⚡️
just lingering in the fatal funnel
not on army standards but i give them credit. good job.
okay ya that is great Air Force working with the navy we also work with other countries, and i never said that they did strictly stuff with the sea. Also i am glad that they are learning from a seal their room clearing training is hard. He probably had a lot of wisdom to pass on to help make them better at what they will be doing.
Untrained as they are, this is the baddest ass thing I've seen in a while. I want to do this part of the course.
I'm fairly sure these aren't simunition, but rather rap4 paintball guns, you can see that the buffer tube is very large on some guns, which is where the 5oz co2 tank goes into, and the shells sound plasticky as they hit the ground, oh and the clear magazine. Also the lack of paint marks can be explained by the use of training rounds, which are basically mini-bouncy balls, probably for ease of cleaning.
COOL..................................... Thanks for the video.
When the first man in the stack just stops and leave everyone else stuck in a perfect fucking line for the bad guy to kill the shit out of them, you realize you're watching the extra special SF at work.
I'm not surprised you used the muzzle up holding method with a SEAL leading. That seems to be the typically preferred method for SEALs. whatever works I don't do that but it's a technique.
Yeah, they're using Simunitions. I think even FX Marking cartridges to be more exact.
M4 carbines, but the barrel and upper receiver are switched out with ones that are compatible with simunation rounds. (Essentially a paint round)
this is giving away intel, and training tactics.
Lol if anybody learned from this they aren't learning anything. Army Infantry all the way
I usually try not to comment too much on these military bids. dont want to sound like 90% of the viewers who comment acting like they know it all. but just my observation these guy look sloppy. seen way more smoother efficient drills. this doesn't look lethal or precise.
+touggie2000 Yeah, they were super sloppy but you gotta remember that these guys are all pretty much just normal base cops. Its tough to practice 24/7 and get the required training all the time. Plus, trying to hit that infamous 10,000 hour rule is basically impossible if this isn't your primary job.
+Creekd2000 lol OK cool hey thanks man! I not a expert but I knew something was wrong when I watch videos of seals, other special ops and some federal agencies then come across this. in was like oookkkk lol. like seals for example you rarely him the saying anything when you see them practice room clearing is like they just already know! or use telepathy lol. but I also understand most seal missions are clandestine and "quiet". wasn't to sure who or what these guys were here in this video. thanks for your response and clearing that up! peace!
for me its the 1hour or never rule
they look really bored
touggie2000 that's what training is for. It's so they can improve on these skills and be more smooth eventually
Spartan, it depends what majcom your assigned to, what base your assigned to and what they're willing to fund. Security forces does everything! From security, law enforcement, ground combat, etc. look into the 820th sec fo squadron. Those are some high speed dudes and get slotted for every school available! Good luck
Too and many chiefs not enough Indian's, but all in all good communication and team work!
The don't slice the hard corners. Chances are high to get shot in the back that way. Also, some stand in the way awkwardly.
I would love to see you train with them, maybe you could give them a few pointers that you learned while playing video games as that is the only video that you have posted. I,m sure that you have quite a bit of experience and skill.
The only downside was the poor camera angles. I suggest multi cam to show positioning/angles of different team members as they enter a room.
nice team work, comunication and surprise
we go muzzles up instead of "low ready" or "high ready" because you can't flag anyone with your weapon this way and if you happen to stumble and fall you'll fall with the weapon infront of you and you'll be "on-line". If you're running around at low-ready and you fall, you would literally fall on top of your gun.
I think the military should have equal size teams scrimmage against each other in shoot houses with objectives like hostage rescue or capture the flag with time scores.
Thoughts?
It's the military police component of the USAF, which performs the same duties as the RAF Regiment.
If I may, i would sugest you to learn left-hand weapon holding. Right hand holding is not good for front-right corner. When someone clears room I am in, in airsoft, he many times fails because i see his left shoulder before he can aim at me.
Awesome video 👍🏽
There also a Chance of getting "caught up" on the guy infront of you if you need to raise your weapon. Look at 1:10 and visualize if the guy was low ready and brought it up.
Training makes perfect. Ppl act like ooooo they suck. Even navy seals were beginners at one point
Looks badass!
nice video,i believe a good way to counter this room breach is to keep the entrance suppressed
Thank you for studying！
some of you dudes need to learn how to cut the pie and practice shooting lefty.... good teamwork and aggressive forward movement. 👍
5:13 Hooligan tool spike facing right in the back of the guys head.... Guess they're not friends LOL
Nice move getting rid of the foregrip at 0:43 without breaking contact or looking away. No point in fooling around with it, especially in that situation.
Hi everyone, i'm watching SWAT the TV series and i've seen that often when clearing a room they say "give me a two" and then all come screaming "two" behing the first guy clearing... Does anyone know what that means or if its a tactic to search it? Just curious because they do it often and i don't get it... Thanks!
How good as sim as a training tool!? I think the next step would be teaching some transition shooting, its awesome to see how sim lays waste to conventional drills. Good comms
that looks like really good training, room clearing is very tough and complicated.....split second decisions, coupled with a vast array of unknown layouts and etc....just nasty....one of those things where you just have to practice and practice to improve....even then there are no guarantees that shit will go smoothly
Pretty interesting way to do it but i like it. First two guys button hook and every guy after does a cross-over. No hating here. Semper.
I'm no expert, but I think the guy in front of the door endangered himself. I've heard of too many stories of men breaching, whether Marines, Army, or AFSF, and being mowed down by an AK instantly. It would be a godsend if they had riot shields, though I realize they aren't that simple to carry into a battlefield.
Im leaving for basic in december. with Security Forces as my AFSC. Lots of people tell me its a horrible job. Then ive talked to real Security forces members and say that there is alot of things you can do to make your time worth being in Security Forces. Ignoring all the negativity and going in with my chin up.
Hey guys, I appreciate all the comments on my videos. Good bad or indifferent. I currently have a job that doesnt allow me to post videos of our tactics so I was thinking of another way of reaching out to military and veterans. Thinking of posting some COD gameplays. Looking for all or any military/veteran gamers to post their gameplays on my channel. What do you all think? Military and Veteran gamers showing their gaming skills? If you have game that you want to post, let me know.
Try Insurgency, that game is great and requires a good deal of realistic tactics for indoor combat.
Ay, FrankDaTank1218 is right.
COD is terrible "military gameplay" (run and gun), just a terrible choice of game to show military tactics.
I just started playing Insurgency, bought it today as a matter of fact, and it is beyond excellent. Isn't no ARMA 3, but encourages teamwork to survive, and it has many reality factors that any Xbox "war game" doesn't have.
I have a military background and to be honest it's truly challenging. And there are military veterans and active duty that play the game.
Definitely look into Insurgency and ARMA 3
AKBAN1990 I prefer Arma 3 over insurgency, but Arma is complicated, has a steep learning curve, and takes awhile to learn. Insurgency is as realistic as a game can get while still being easy to pick up and play. Plus, a satisfying Arma 3 session usually takes about an hour at least. You can enjoy Insurgency for short 10-30 minute bursts since rounds don't last that long and aren't as enormous in scale..
ryeable No doubt, especially with the new Zeus real-time editor, co-op sessions are now 200% more amazing.
You guys looking for someone to post your gameplay? I can for sure upload on my channel.
Nice! Thanks for sharing. Nice tips to clearing a rooms
oh and not taking to much time in hallways and small rooms/ corridors, flow like water room to room. at the end of the day get everyone home safe including yourself.
Wow... The guy with the breacher will break his wrists hitting it from that side.
Way to many people in 1 room, need to keep stack 6 to have doorguard, backguard, and 4 entry(can devide into 2x2). There getting too bunched up from 6+ people in 1 room.
Other than that, nothing else I noticed except for a few guys are riding the sights(staying aimed looking down a hall, they could be at high ready to have a wider range of view.)
Good job guys, Great video, and thanks for your service.
i dont think they meant to have every one enter the room at once. it was the only way to get through to the next room and entry point.
That's not the biggest issue. Once you gain entry and shots are fired, you need to continue following. They stood there for WAY too long. If anything, the second team should have flowed right through and continued to clear once the initial room was clear. It all takes time and lots of practice. You'll eventually get to the point where you don't have to say anything and everything becomes automatic.
Scott B Its all down to communication. If you don't have the communication you're going to have hiccups like that. Communication is so important in CQB.
then again guys they are training, you learn from their mistakes.
3:36 "The Thing" was there!!!!!!!
Don't cross open door unless you have no choice and NEVER stand in front of a open door
sounds like simmunation. 9mm brass trimmed down, plastic projectile encasing detergent based die. But I dont see the pink or blue "hit marks" on their bodies. They must not haze err I mean practice by doing mag drills 3 yards away facing each other as us USMC grunts do. I would always hit a boot in his inner thigh or throat. Leave a nasty welt.
i like that i see the magpul thumb break method being used. and Holy shit that's a lot of guys clearing a room! The team I'm on does 4 man max, idk if I could handle that :p
Hit or miss bro. I spent 3 years in Vegas at Nellis AFB doing a boring job, then went to Germany and got to see the world. But then I ended up at Whiteman AFB in Missouri which is like the butthole of America. However, at Whiteman I deployed twice, once to Doha, Qatar and I even did a little stint in Camp Lemonier in Ethiopia. Just like any job in the world, its what you make it.
Being a Brit I always wonder why you funnel more than two guys into the room? The first officer into the room doesn't enter looking through /above his sighting system. We have been taught to try and do most of our fighting from outside the room... Any views.... I'm here to learn..
thats got to be fun
its important to have that hallway security but be aware of that funnel when that door is breached. the guy doing the hallway security would've been F'd if opfor were shooting through that doorway once it opened
that's room clearing, some complex rooms
*swish swish* *tick tick tack* I don't think he hears us guys xD
Marcus Luttrell was rescued by Army personnel (Rangers and Green Berets).
Just a thought but how affect do you think you would be if perhaps you did fall and your weapons in the air.... heres a thought if your going to fall you know your going to fall and if your going to fall normally you will go foward. heres something if its low ready and you fall foward you can do something call a combat roll to where ya weapon is sill close to your body and you can sill pop up on a knee or pop up and still be able to put that weapon down in front of you to lay down lead
very impressive guys
Also, the guy leading this training was a Navy SEAL. And its SEAL (Sea Air and Land). They're not Navy water animals (seals).
Security forces baby!!!! damn i miss room clearing
This is a pretty standard operational technique, almost all militaries use these room clearing techniques, some use more sophisticated techniques.
So awesome!
3:40-4:00 random hand on the walkway to the left
no they are real rifles they just change the bolt so they can use what we call shock rounds
1:06 to slow he would have been shot befor number 2 had a chance to back number 1 up
Are these guys 820th? I was 823 until Oct 2006 and for years there was always talk of us getting our own MOUT site at Moody so we didn't have to go all the way down to Camp Blanding.
+Khal Brogo No, TRF on FE Warren.
I am not in Security Forces but I've met several with unique assignments. There's TRF, EST, Investigations, and sometimes Army CID will pull you. I know a few who've trained with South American SOF for being a Cadre IAAFA. It might look gay initially, just persevere and don't do anything stupid (e.g. substance abuse, sexual harassment, etc.).
Sooo can't wait for this
Most bases that Have an EST or TRF have pretty tough try outs as far as tactics, marksmanship and physical fittness. Keep in mind not all bases have them.
" LET ME SEE YOUR HANDS !!! LET ME SEE YOUR HANDS!!"
was there today!!
It would be so cool to see the difference :)
Simunitions are a blast... Until of course one makes it up under the mask and you catch it with your face.
awesome
gotta say i'm liking the no stripper on point
wow i want to subscribe!
Hey, where can I get one of those caps with the visor at the back like they're wearing in this video. In the shops I can only find them with the visor at the front.
im SF and man tactics are not like this anymore...much better now...speed surprise and violence of action
How come these guys never shoot lefty when peeking the left side of a wall? Wouldn't that be a more efficient use of cover?
only when your efficient with shooting on both sides, but we'd rather expose a bit more to get a good shot instead of staying hidden popping off bad shots. being that our job is asset and personnel protection, every shot we take is accounted for.
0:23
Isn't the man in the corner kinda exposed to both the hallway and the room when the door is bashed open?
ryeable Hmm. That is...unfortunate.
I joined in vermont today! GO GREEN MOUNTAIN BOYS!
awesome can't wait to be here =D