Hoffman is a legend. I won't ever use any of this, I just appreciate what people do in the demoscene, and I enjoy hearing about it. Thanks for the interesting talk.
Thanks to Hoffman for great seminar and organizers for recording and uploading it! Makes me want to buy Amiga and start Protrackering again! :) -Kure/RNO
I have boxes full of cassettes with Madtracker & Fasttracker tracks :D Seeing this makes me think about getting them out of the rubbishroom and my old cassettedeck, and spend some days listening to them ;)
Fake sidechain ducking is a lot easier in XM modules, because you can do it with the instrument volume envelope. I have a feeling that FT2/XM was never really explored like ProTracker. Maybe it's because the internal model is much more complex than ProTracker's, and musicians had enough toys to play with even if they just stuck to the "proper" usage of everything.
Everything made sense to me except the part about calculating frequency: - take period table from protracker - find the required period for destination note - Sample Rate = 7093789.2 / (period * 2) What is this period table? When does this process need to be done?
Why did you not use fullscreen 800x600 with Milky? Those are the most usable screen settings imo. Any settings higher than that and the window is too large and the UI is unreasonably small just like in this video...
How could there be "C64 trackers" if The Ultimate Soundtracker was made in 1987 for the Amiga? Actual C64 trackers were made AFTER the Amiga/DOS trackers. He probably meant to say that SID music was programmed on a C64, not on a "C64 Tracker."
Soundmonitor by Chris Hülsbeck (published in the legendary German Commodore user mag "64'er" in 1986) is usually considered to be _the_ original tracker.
It's too bad that the next iteration of the Amiga (Hombre chipset) never came to fruition, as its sound chip was 16 bit and 8 voices, among other things (4, 16 color playfields, 32 bit chunky gfx with 8 bit alpha, etc). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_Hombre_chipset JW3HH
Acorn did it with their RISC PC range : 16 bit linear, 8 channels (still compatable with the Archie)... Archie had 8 bit log, 8 channels ... and still Amiga fanboys pretend their machines were the best for sound, what a joke. A base Archie at 8 Mhz is even able to play S3M files under the desktop. ARM is power. Mixing is not an issue. Acorn is truely innovative technology. Amiga is ... hype, lame, and faking, unless you had a 68040 30 Mhz+ very expensive accelerator board. Acorn RISC PC also did it for the graphics (24 bits + alpha), it even had slots for V RAM. Funny to see Amiga people bought the wrong machines, in reality, when everything they ever wanted was in fact produced by Acorn, from 1987 onwards. (chunky modes, 256 colours, ultra fast processor, great sound, 60 kHz playback of 4 ch MODs, 41 kHz for 8 ch. And with 7 possible stereo positions per channel, not 3 like poor Paula). Oh yes it was a bit more expensive than C= crap, but it was worth it. Definitively. Acorn even had the Phoebe ready, fully working (and not just schematics of chipset like C=), when they decided to stop manufacturing computers and focus on other businesses (Btw : Acorn never went bankrupt, contrary to the idiots at C=, who screwed their suppliers).
The Amiga's limit of 4 channels was it's biggest audio flaw. I mean, it was ok for those doing purely music, but for game development you really had to compromise if you wanted sound effects as well. The hard panning was also something I never understood. It wouldn't be so bad if you could change it, or have a 3-point pan system of L/C/R, but drums coming from hard left or right always made me cringe (I listen to MODS in mono). It really needed 6-8 channels with panning - especially the A600 and A1200 which were released seven years after the first Amiga.
@@nebularain3338 According to the guy that designed the Amiga's Paula audio chip, Glenn Keller, he had planned on having 8 voices but didn't have time or space on the chip to add the additional complexity. But even if this is true I never understood why later versions of the Amiga didn't improve on the chip in any meaningful way: No additional voices, no higher fidelity (offering 12 or 16 bit), etc. Not sure why this was the case but it's a shame. I agree about the panning issue.
... and it comes with an entire lightshow, at least whenever it plays on the main stage at the event. (All of our content is primarily produced for the people at the event. We only upload it to UA-cam for the convenience of seeing it again, or for people who couldn't attend.)
Clearly by virtue of the fact you have to date 8,901 views of this video its reach is far beyond however many people attended the seminar. This is a good thing by anyone's standards. In either case, you REALLY don't need a 44 second intro.
Hoffman is a legend. I won't ever use any of this, I just appreciate what people do in the demoscene, and I enjoy hearing about it. Thanks for the interesting talk.
after all these years of severe usage, i never imagined that FT2 was actually a demo-maker software ;)
really entertaining and informative watch!
0:00 intro and info
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3:42 sample switching - number hacking
5:47 volume control
7:01 sample offset - timestretch
8:50 adding more samples
11:42 offset & volume control
12:50 sidechain
16:43 pattern stunts
21:55 extra channels (mod 2 samp)
25:07 sample conversion
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26:19 fasttracker 2
30:22 Q&A
Thanks, timestamp man! I just needed to check on some of h0ff's Kung Fu and you made me jump to the right place :D
Never used an Amiga tracker but used PC ones. Learned cool tricks in this video. Best 30 minutes spent online today :)
Thanks to Hoffman for great seminar and organizers for recording and uploading it! Makes me want to buy Amiga and start Protrackering again! :) -Kure/RNO
Well. Most of the stuff works with Renoise. too :)
You sold your Amiga!!
Tut-Tut!!
;-)
just step in the protracker 2.3D on Windows ;)
@@ballOOnheadSound or OpenMPT
@@AVINIDE Or OpenMPT yes. Very compatible but cannot play 100% of the effects like they were programmed. I tested it myself with some of my mods :)
I have boxes full of cassettes with Madtracker & Fasttracker tracks :D
Seeing this makes me think about getting them out of the rubbishroom and my old cassettedeck, and spend some days listening to them ;)
This is just brilliant :D
the strobe milkytracker animations were insane
I used MED, but I appreciate the upload.
Very informative.
Thanks ...
I used them all: Soundtracker, NoiseTracker, Protracker, MED, OctaMED, etc. Why limit yourself? 😉
Awesome! :) Brings back some cool memories. Thanks.
Fake sidechain ducking is a lot easier in XM modules, because you can do it with the instrument volume envelope. I have a feeling that FT2/XM was never really explored like ProTracker. Maybe it's because the internal model is much more complex than ProTracker's, and musicians had enough toys to play with even if they just stuck to the "proper" usage of everything.
Man, I remember the black queen, it was a total mindfuck back in the day, I'm 43 :) Nostalgia....
Everything made sense to me except the part about calculating frequency:
- take period table from protracker
- find the required period for destination note
- Sample Rate = 7093789.2 / (period * 2)
What is this period table?
When does this process need to be done?
This is a good Time to learn from Amiga to PC. (Tribute to Skaven) (my English is not the best... sorry)
Thanks for sharing this one. Had fun with it :)
Some fab info there. Had no idea, thanks Ian!
Why did you not use fullscreen 800x600 with Milky? Those are the most usable screen settings imo. Any settings higher than that and the window is too large and the UI is unreasonably small just like in this video...
Because the video is about Protracker, not Milkytracker. It's not a hard concept to grasp.
27:51 Actually there are 255 patterns available, because it goes from 00 to FE in hexadecimal
Is "I ran out of patterns" xm available for download anywhere?
You can get it here: www.modules.pl/?id=module&mod=6487
- Steltek
Where can we downloads the mods. I would love to play on my Amgia
i'm still stuck on where to find samples
milkytracker.titandemo.org/downloads/
Scroll down to where it says samples.
Ur welcome.
;-)
the st-xx samples are alright, but i'd rather stick to sampling
How could there be "C64 trackers" if The Ultimate Soundtracker was made in 1987 for the Amiga? Actual C64 trackers were made AFTER the Amiga/DOS trackers. He probably meant to say that SID music was programmed on a C64, not on a "C64 Tracker."
Soundmonitor by Chris Hülsbeck (published in the legendary German Commodore user mag "64'er" in 1986) is usually considered to be _the_ original tracker.
@@thamessinclair2010 I see. It's more like The Ultimate Soundtracker modernized the format.
Start of the seminar: 0:46
Hi, Nice job you're doing. So much year without making mod... Where wan I get all those mod in this video please? There's some killer track.
Tricks?? Whats with code e93 for example ??
PT2.3d all the way.
It's too bad that the next iteration of the Amiga (Hombre chipset) never came to fruition, as its sound chip was 16 bit and 8 voices, among other things (4, 16 color playfields, 32 bit chunky gfx with 8 bit alpha, etc). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_Hombre_chipset
JW3HH
Acorn did it with their RISC PC range : 16 bit linear, 8 channels (still compatable with the Archie)...
Archie had 8 bit log, 8 channels ... and still Amiga fanboys pretend their machines were the best for sound, what a joke.
A base Archie at 8 Mhz is even able to play S3M files under the desktop.
ARM is power. Mixing is not an issue.
Acorn is truely innovative technology.
Amiga is ... hype, lame, and faking, unless you had a 68040 30 Mhz+ very expensive accelerator board.
Acorn RISC PC also did it for the graphics (24 bits + alpha), it even had slots for V RAM.
Funny to see Amiga people bought the wrong machines, in reality, when everything they ever wanted was in fact produced by Acorn, from 1987 onwards. (chunky modes, 256 colours, ultra fast processor, great sound, 60 kHz playback of 4 ch MODs, 41 kHz for 8 ch. And with 7 possible stereo positions per channel, not 3 like poor Paula).
Oh yes it was a bit more expensive than C= crap, but it was worth it. Definitively.
Acorn even had the Phoebe ready, fully working (and not just schematics of chipset like C=), when they decided to stop manufacturing computers and focus on other businesses (Btw : Acorn never went bankrupt, contrary to the idiots at C=, who screwed their suppliers).
The Amiga's limit of 4 channels was it's biggest audio flaw. I mean, it was ok for those doing purely music, but for game development you really had to compromise if you wanted sound effects as well. The hard panning was also something I never understood. It wouldn't be so bad if you could change it, or have a 3-point pan system of L/C/R, but drums coming from hard left or right always made me cringe (I listen to MODS in mono). It really needed 6-8 channels with panning - especially the A600 and A1200 which were released seven years after the first Amiga.
@@nebularain3338 According to the guy that designed the Amiga's Paula audio chip, Glenn Keller, he had planned on having 8 voices but didn't have time or space on the chip to add the additional complexity. But even if this is true I never understood why later versions of the Amiga didn't improve on the chip in any meaningful way: No additional voices, no higher fidelity (offering 12 or 16 bit), etc. Not sure why this was the case but it's a shame. I agree about the panning issue.
@7:55 Fucking YES!
Концовка феерична.
27:50+ daaamn
''Modern garbage''
Dude
Milkytracker bruh
Well of course there are probably a lot of bad trackers nowadays.
Arcane Toaster I think he meant OctaMED etc...
abstractT Ah I see :P
Modern garbage.
he meant Protracker 3 ;)
... or fasttracker and derivatives including Renoise
Your intro is 44 seconds long!!! wtf
... and it comes with an entire lightshow, at least whenever it plays on the main stage at the event. (All of our content is primarily produced for the people at the event. We only upload it to UA-cam for the convenience of seeing it again, or for people who couldn't attend.)
Clearly by virtue of the fact you have to date 8,901 views of this video its reach is far beyond however many people attended the seminar. This is a good thing by anyone's standards.
In either case, you REALLY don't need a 44 second intro.
If only there was a way to skip it. Wait, THERE IS!