The Rise & Fall of the Russian Empire with Michael Malice
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Michael Malice is an anarchist, author, and podcaster. In this interview, we discuss his latest book, The White Pill: A Tale of Good and Evil. It charts the rise and fall of Russia, its insidious evilness, how western intellectuals supported and justified the communist state from afar, and why it is impossible for those in the west to comprehend how pervasive a totalitarian regime can be.
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00:40:05 Western intellectual support for USSR
00:54:32 Costs of communism; Lenin and Stalin
01:10:42 North Korea; Yeltsin’s realisation
01:17:05 Modern Russia; Ukraine war
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“Many of these organisations that were carrying the water for this nightmare regime are still in place today…the New York Times, which did everything in its power to obscure Stalin’s starvation of millions of Ukrainians, is still the paper of record. It’s the Atlantic, it’s the New Republic; this isn’t metaphors or analogies, it’s literally the same organisations.”
- Michael Malice
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Ask anyone to name the evilest empires in history and it is highly unlikely that the Soviet Union will be anyone’s first suggestion. And yet, the regime is estimated to have killed 61 million people during the 20th century, most of them by Stalin. It is called democide, the mass murder of citizens by their own government, and the Soviets are history’s worst.
The killings of people throughout the Soviet empire took various forms but included executions, famine, forced labour, starvation, mass deportations and massacres. Human life was cheap, and nobody was immune from the wicked regime. And, in addition to the violence, the state employed an all-encompassing oppression of its citizens, involving surveillance, censorship, and fear.
The reality of the Russian Communist State was maintained well beyond the moment it should have ceased functioning, chiefly because everyone had been brainwashed, from workers to the leaders. That this fairytale was a sham couldn’t be hidden forever, and once the facade started to give it didn’t take long for the whole edifice to crumble away to dust.
So why has the evilness of the Soviet Union been downplayed in the west? There are many reasons, but an intellectual affinity for communist ideals is the root cause. Western intellectuals were often in favour of the Soviet Union and its goals of creating a socialist utopia, and many supported the idea of the state as a progressive force. This attitude was rife in the 1930s, but, it still has centres of support today.
That a massive country can rapidly change its governance structure, inflicting violence and fear on millions and millions of people, and maintain its position for decades despite corruption, abuses and stagnation, is a salient tale for us all. Notably, as many of the cultural elites defended the regime from afar, and, that this story has been largely forgotten.
The story I heard about Yeltsin in Houston was that he saw all the food in the supermarket, and, because he was Russian, he thought the Americans were doing what the Russians would do in that situation, namely that the supermarket was essentially a Potemkin village. So his first reaction to the supermarket was suspicion. He thought he was being fooled, because thats what Russia would do. So then he requests to stop at the next supermarket he sees. And its the same as the first. All told, he stops at tons of different supermarkets. And the realization finally dawns on him.
MiG pilot, Viktor Belenko, who defected to the US in 1976, said much the same thing. After visiting several supermarkets and stores, he was forced to change his views.
Thanks for the additional detail!
Has the realization dawned on you that this is some Middle School level dumb boomer myth. Smh
Must be one helluva trip, to see your world view crumble in a short while.
These guys had never been to a European supermarket either? Hard to believe.
It's so great to see Michael getting his voice out there.
yea, biden is an authoritarian who ALREADY has improned political opponents for walking around taking pictures. he would be sta*n if he could, thats the point you clown.
good job malice talikng about carrying water while yourself carrying water for the illegitimate, unelected regime.
Imagine a meaner version of Michael Malice after some drinks. Watch the hell out!
😂 Let’s go get him juiced
Ya, his fake personality would disappear and the real Micheal would come out. On another podcast he said the thing he hates most is "cynicism", then he started talking about his white pill BS. He just actually says the WEF Davos crowd won't get what they want because they're too stupid. He wants us to believe the richest most powerful people in the world are dumb so we shouldn't worry or even try to resist because everything will be fine. It's like the "sit back and trust the plan" Qanon BS, meant to keep people docile and not doing anything to change their situation in life. Michel's job is to lie to the public and tell them, "yes the WEF is evil and plans on controlling every aspect of your life but don't worry it won't happen so just don't think about it". He's so fake it's almost unbelievable.
I think he got pretty drunk on that one arduous march video where they tried all the weird alcohols
Inshallah
I remember reading about the first USSR Hockey Player to come and play in the USA (Slava Fetisov?) who played for the Redwings. The other player's wives took Fetislov's wife out to show her the town, and when they got to the butcher section of the grocery store she ran back got another cart and began shuffling the meat into it. When they asked what she was doing, she said she had to store up. It took them a bit to reassure her that the meat - and the rest of the food in the store - would be there every day.
I never forget this. We have no idea.
Also look up The Fallen of World War II - on YT. It will give you perspective on how many died in WWII.
I was born in the USSR in vladikavkaz and moved to the US when I was 7. I remember faintly my first breadline with my 5 year old brother.
Store shelves were empty, diapers or toilet paper didn’t exist. My mom had surgery with no anesthesia (cutting your body with no anesthesia). When I have a tooth infection and cavities I went to the doctor at 6 or so and they drilled my cavities out without anesthesia.
It’ was a dark time and Putin is taking Russians right back to that era. It makes me sad.
@@LogicSpeaks
Putin is not taking Russians "back to that era" dont be ridiculous.
@@LogicSpeaks Don't forget, that those drills were nowhere near as good as the modern ones. They were slower, with bigger teeth. Your whole damn head rattled a bit if the dentist was sadistic or didn't care, and just pressed down hard when drilling. And most people didn't care about doing a good job, since their salary or employment for that matter didn't depend on doing a good job. But that's not as bad as being stitched up by a drunk and angry surgeon, happened to me.
And here I was, just thinking I could not respect Malice and more than I already do.
That talk about cigarettes, pressing and encouraging a grown man to attempt again to help his 70-something year-old stubborn father to stop smoking was so encouraging and real.
Malice is the hero we never asked for nor deserved.
First time i watched. Came for Michael Malice. Stayed for intelligent conversations. Learning stuff!
I was unaware of this channel previously but this was a great discussion.
Michael Malice on THIS show?? Ok, definitely gonna watch this.
I went to the Food Lion near Houston knowing the story. While checking out the store I went up to some older employees smoking cigs on a break. I asked them about it and they looked at me like I was speaking Chinese. They had no idea they worked in the historical store that helped bring down the wall, as the story goes.
⏱Timestamps for this video!
0:03 - Whole Foods' Zero Calorie Cola causes leukemia
0:45 - British politics lacks meaningful change
1:44 - The problem with governments is their insurance companies
12:06 - Experiencing heart attacks
12:45 - Visiting the hospital during a heart attack
20:59 - Addressing the severity of smoking addiction
23:31 - Political beliefs
26:31 - New York's decline
29:34 - Current state of New York
31:55 - Sense of hopelessness in New York
34:02 - The Decline of New York City
35:28 - The Rise of Austin and Nashville
37:47 - The White Pill and the History of Russia
46:04 - The Soviet Union's "vision" of society
46:29 - The argument for government control
54:48 - Successes and failures of the Soviet Union
1:02:20 - Stalin and Hitler
1:04:08 - The Cold War and the Forgotten Atrocities
1:05:16 - Loss of Individual Identity
1:08:28 - Lack of Understanding in the West
1:11:34 - Traveling to North Korea
1:14:46 - Boris Yeltsin and the Randall's Supermarket
1:16:11 - Russian Approval Ratings
1:23:04 - The Pride of North Korea
1:23:45 - The North Korean Book
1:24:03 - Twitter
1:25:06 - Fracture in Corporate Journalism
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Two of my fav podcasters together again. Looking forward to this!
really glad he talked to him about his dad's addiction. i'm currently dealing with that with a sibling and its hard to even get started to talk about it
Great episode, Peter!
Just found this - great interview.
According to Stephen kotkin one of the foremost historians on Stalin, Stalin was completely devoted to and a firm believer in communist doctrine
Kotkin is fantastic.
The problem with NYC is it is full of New Yorkers
This guy knows things, I would buy his book
Anyone who talks about the NHS without discussing the way it's been purposefully run into the ground with the express purpose of privatising it is someone whose opinion you should completely ignore. They're a hack and probably being payed by big business. Nice they can both afford £50 for a doctors visit tho, fucking upper classes man, such bullshit.
I've bought a few. All good.
You won't regret buying it if you do.
he's written books on north korea, maga movement, stalin's communist ussr, & currated a collection on anarchism - next he should write books on mussolini's fascist italy, & modern day woke bureaucratic/technocratic authoritarianism
this micheals anonymous account
Fantastic episode.
Hey Mikey, make sure you replace your glutathione since you drink a lot of artificial sweetener. N-Acetyl cystine and tudca bile salts will clean that liver up and replace glutathione. FDA has always reported weakly in regards to aspartame etc because of big corp as you well know.
Wow so glad I found this, I love Michael!
I was born in 1964. When I was 20 I spent a couple of weeks in West Berlin and went in and out of east Germany. I was 25 when the wall fell while sitting on a beach in Southeast Asia. It was a big deal. However, the reason it’s long forgotten is because Those who were complicit with the Soviet union here in the west were too shocked and dumbfounded by it and then realized oh my God we won? We were supposed to lose. And that’s why they want us to forget it it’s on with your next subversion project. Starting at Rio at 92
Can i please get your perspective on the politics behind it? Or can you recommend me someone who does an accurate take on it?
@@vrillionaire88 the same oligarchical families and institutions, both academic and philanthropic and military/intelligence related, supported both sides of every conflict since at least the enlightenment.
I'm 62 and remember it like it were yesterday. The west sort of calmed down because there was no internet. We didn't realize it. Regan opened up Glasnos which via satellite we could speak live via TV.
Great podcast, lovely video quality. As an audio engineer, I’d like to comment that the low end is way too hyped. Had to turn the bass on my playback device all the way down, and it’s still distracting.
enjoyed that, thanks boys
On UA-cam, there is audio of Bertrand Russell's account of his interview with Lenin following the Bolshevik seizure of power. I highly recommend it. It will give you the chills - not the good kind.
Great content
Best show you've ever done, congratulations
Great Interview....as usual. I would love to know where you got the Flintstone Vitamin Pins. Will you share where we can get them please?
My granddad was over 100 (they reckon, they didn't have birth certificates back then) and smoked cigars since his 20s. His lung collapsed and since he was so old all the realtives were called over for his expected death. But within 2 weeks he was out of hospital and quit smoking cold turkey and wasn't even bothered
Cigar smoke usually isn't inhaled, as opposed to cigarette smoke. That would explain how he was able to quit so easily.
@@Bonez0rthis is spot on
Ty. I enjoy when your conversations cover items other than Bitcoin.
Not a critism here, but when one was born in the 50s and 60s, maybe 70s, the total nature of the Cold War was inescapable therefore when the wall came down ot was stunning. The Berlin Airlift was a major focus of High School history.
stunning. read gulag archipelago and it absolutely broke me half, intensely painful. also read viktor frankl's book about the holocaust Mans Search for Meaning, MUCH shorter but VERY powerful as well... I discovered that at a certain point the extreme left and the extreme right end up in the same place. it's like a circle. and the point where they meet is best described as complete hell.
There is no extreme right. The more "right" you go the more you just want to be left alone,.by definition
@@LibertarianRF yeah, it's a misunderstanding or disagreement over definitions.
Some people (me and you included) think left and right wing are opposites in terms of authoritarianism vs libertarianism. Others for some reason think extreme left and right are both authoritarians struggling for absolute power and it's the political middle that is the most liberty minded position and that they want to leave people alone, as long as they just peacefully vote for their leaders
@@LibertarianRF don't think you know what "by definition" means
@@LibertarianRF I have an extreme desire to be left alone by the government. I'm fine being defined as extreme right.
yea, biden is an authoritarian who ALREADY has improned political opponents for walking around taking pictures. He would be sta*n if he could, thats the point you clown.
good job malice talikng about carrying water while yourself carrying water for the illegitimate, unelected regime.
Two worlds that I didn’t expect to collide, very excited for this!
Malice has been on WBD before
@@nickbergstrom89 and the worlds are hardly far apart…
Malice's genius is something else. He's an anarchist, and it shows in most everything he says. And he says it in a way that can not easily be disagreed with. I agree on most everything with him, yet when I speak my views, most nobody can agree with me.,
he is articulate but also
would the people you talk to take in your media?
Third wave cafes are the best travel hack, usually in the coolest areas.
Very entertaining even without serious bitcoin talks. This has become my fav podcast.
The "you're all alcoholics" line about the UK and the silent nodding agreement was both hilarious and sad at the same time.
23:01 I used to sit in non smoking, and go to the back to smoke, either empty seat, or looking out of the window behind the back seats. Never had a problem. Never told to move or even got any looks off of the hostesses. Best of both worlds.
I used to have a can or two of zero soda, I just quit 5 days ago and only drink water , I feel so much better.
YES!
Story with Yeltsin in the supermarket reminds me of an interview with Kiev mayor Vitali Klitschko, who when sent into the USA as a boxer when he was young first went into a store and was confused there were "types" of cheese?? Because all he had his entire life was just some generic stale cheese.
These guys had never been to a European supermarket either? Hard to believe.
@@apollocreed1000 You gonna keep repeating this question over and over, you stupid fucking shill? Why the fuck would someone in Russia be gallivanting all the way to France or the UK in the 1970's? Try to use your smooth little brain before you press enter next time.
@@apollocreed1000, not the 1st time you've M's this banal comment. No, Klitchko lived in Ukraine and had never heard west. I'm sorry you can't comprehend that people don't do things you imagine in your head. Jesus.
24:20 being from one of those wierd little towns, I can confirm this to be true, near Manchester too, but north, not south of.
Malice is a hero.
Good to see Jeremy Remmer back on his feet 💛
23:30 interesting exchange. i wish we saw more of that caring, compassionate and emphatic version of malice on twitter.
i think he should realize that just like alcohol, SoMe sometimes also makes him mean(er).
SNUS has kept me off of smokes for the last 12 yrs. I smoked pack n a half/day for 30+ yrs , will recommend
I'd recommend the film "Mr. Jones" It's a great film about the refusal to listen to those who witnessed the famine in Ukraine.
Michael Malice is my spirit animal.
Your spirit animal has really small hands. Baby hands.
Was not expecting the intro 🤣
I was in Oslo at the Human Rights Freedom Forum….the flash card for freedom project distributed 200 flash cards to N.Korea which they got tons of donation; it was a great scheme to fund the HRF’s bitcoin wallet.
Great movie by Tengiz Abuladze- Repentance
I would love to hear more about the idea that cities are an outdated mechanism of social organization.Moho is talking about this?
That is one big ASS television in the background.
"It's true that it's hard to teach people about living under a totalitarian government. I tried my best to make people feel what that's like writing The White Pill." That's paraphrased, but man... Michael... did you ever.
My thoughts exactly
While this may be true, excuse me if I’m skeptical over Ayn Randian thought
I lived in Russia for years. Everyone goes around just not talking about it.(the old atrocities) ..almost like a rape victim who never goes to the police or talks about the great evil. It's really strange. Some will talk but they'd rather not.
For many years it was the same way with H-caust survivors. Many of them even felt ashamed about what had been done to them, if you can imagine that. It took an active effort to convince them to start speaking up so people would learn and remember and hopefully avoid the same mistakes. I hope the Russians become convinced as well.
Michael is a hero.
I disagree with their assessment of NYC as Gotham City but Mike is right about the "only in NY spots" that didn't survive covid. It's heartbreaking.
I seriously hope Malice writes his proposed book about how almost all war mongering happens on the left
I was looking forward to listening to a podcast about the rise and fall of the Russian Empire, but there was almost no conversation on the Russian Empire. Pretty much only talked about the Soviet Union, which is ok but the title of the video is a bit misleading
Nothing is more aggravating to a smoker than nonsmokers telling us that theres no upside.
This simply cannot be true, it IS doing something, it may and may not be worth the downside, but thats not YOUR place to tell ME
without caffeine and nicotine i would need medication that messes with my neurochemistry with far worse side effects than chopping 25 years off my life
I don't smoke for my health, I smoke for everybody else's health.
Bro just don’t use those SSRI cigarettes and use something natural idk you’ll probably be fine
This is an excellent interview. I’m inspired to read the “White Pilled” because my best friend growing up his mother defected to Germans(his father, forced to serve in Nazi Army) China is very much like this.
The act of smoking itself has been tied to humanity for years ritualistically its honestly a staple in many cultures. I think thats part of the appeal and presistence.
What's weird is how people intimately understand that Nazism and the Holocaust were crimes committed by the German people and state. In contrast, very few people have any knowledge of the Jewish links to the Communists in Russia and the crimes they committed against humanity, also known as the Holodomor.
What was that gum called they mentioned? Zin or something?
Michael is so right when he says the USSR's sympathizers in the West engaged in a massive cover-up of what was happening in the USSR, a cover-up that lasted from the beginning virtually until the USSR fell. It's high time the institutions and persons that carried it out were exposed and held accountable.
LOL, that that was an ad by Michael at first.
I love that my name was used as the example the "enemy of the people."
Enjoyed listening to this.
come to upstate NY, good food no traffic fun people
I figured Malice would talk about Ivan the Terrible, Peter the Great, and the Romanovs. The fall of the Russian Empire would be the execution of Czar Nicholas and his family.
They actually talked about the rise and the fall of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. That was not the Russian Empire.
Well said
Altered Images! Yes!
WTF is "optionality"?
1880, in Scotsman magazine: “How much optionality there may be in an option which is allowed to opt only in one direction may yet be a question for the learned.”
I stopped drinking in 2009 and never looked back…
Wow! Malice is strong! 202/20 vision or better! 👏
some gotta win, some gotta lose
good time charlie's got the blues
Michael Malice brought me here.
Cancer care in America is pretty terrible, oncevyou compensate for " lead time bias " aka we find tumors smaller on average today , but when tumors are the exact same size , USA has made no progress on cancer at all since 1972
Michael Malice digs alright.👍
1:03:15 They also only made it to the bunker cause we let them. Not to mention we gave them over half their food and o, a third of their tanks and ALL their logistics.
I do not understand why people like cities.
Tobacco isnt all downside
It helps people keep weight off
Smokers get less parkinson's and Alzheimer's
Its 7-8 years off the end of your life , nevermind American cigarettes are particularly unhealthy, whereas Japanese cigarettes arent all that bad
I can't believe it. I've been asking for this podcast for forever! Awesome guys. Awesome. BITCOIN and Mr Malice are the perfect match.
Michael is right, but in Nordic context snus is just different.
The nicotine content is so high compared to US brands, "hardened" us marines will wobble around like drunks in 5 minutes flat coming to a Norwegian base.
So high it is Iligal in most EU countries.
I use about the equal to the nicotine content of a carton of cigarettes daily, and some days that is more than to much.
16:15 Malice always harps on about people that are pessimistic yet here he is...
SVT club, nice!!!
😂😂😂 Malice just outdid Nietzsche with that…
…’New York is dead and they’re raping the corps’, is the 2020’s version of ‘God is dead, and we killed him, and there’ll never be enough water to wash away the blood’
most of the healthcare costs go to caring for the elderly
IMO Most goes on the bureaucracy.
London is great, but you need to know where you're going food wise etc. There amazing stuff is there but you need to know where it is.
Michael “I don’t know you that well” then proceeds to lecture the guy about his 74 year old father smoking cigarettes lol
BOOM!
Who is John Galt?
Who is Satoshi?
Ayn Rand writer, John Galt character in Atlas Shrugged
Sergei Kourdakov story almost sounds true after listening to this podcast
I would never pick up USB drive from the street and just plug it in to see what happens even in N.Korea
I can’t trust anyone who drinks 193 gallons of soda a year
Michael malice please have Chris Hedges on your show.
Much love Peter but if you think the middle class who are getting absolutely destroyed by inflation and rising interest rates should also pay to see a doctor whilst those on benefits wouldn’t pay or presumably have any limitations on there visits to the GP then you’re mad.
I work for the public sector, I can never get a GP appointment so I agree things are broken. But the working class paying twice in both taxes and upfront isn’t the answer.
Keep up the podcasts they’re awesome and it’s great that you do it in 4K!
Totally agree, here in Aus the middle classes are paying high taxes and private health and private schooling on top. I suspect the middle class in the west will soon have to pay for private security as well. Its a joke and surely isnt sustainable.
That said here in Aus we are fortunately a few years behind the UK, so you are further ahead in the decline!
As someone who's English these guys make podcasts for Americans. They spout so much shit any Englishman would just call them out but Americans don't know any better.
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Malice was in NKorea with a tourist guide for 6 days and this is suppose to be a journalistic reference for him to be an expert on the Soviet….let’s stop for 1 minute to critically think that statement through
Why the wall was built was taught in 80's history classes. You guys didn't pay attention.
The sign above the door in the Oracles kitchen "Temet Nosce" meaning "Know Thyself".... one day at a time.
Danny's > Spoonboy
SVT can cause stroke if left untreated.