As a US Army soldier, during the Cold War in the late 1970s, we received many briefings about the Russian soldiers and their tactics. I remember the instructor stating " 'Ivan' is a might warrior, but they're not giants." 😉
Giants exist only in fairy tales, but the Russians managed the impossible - they buried the invincible Wehrmacht. And this is an indisputable fact,....
not without billions in US aid they didn't, they would've been annihilated...not to mention weather, Hitler's ideology expressed through officer corps down to line soldier, that reversed initial gushing Russian peasant support of Wehrmacht as liberators, and bad planning/unforeseen outcomes. @@captderichelieu2280
Id say the only thing that has changed is the fact that destroying an enemy city block by block is the way to go. If that's not an option, laying siege while destroying food, power, and water infrastructure for a few weeks will go a long way to soften up the defenses.
@@user-mx2sv1xq2ithat simply isn't true. Zhukov and Rokossovsky are famous for being very much concerned with strategic and tactical planning and the minimalization of casualties.
Like him or not but the individual Soviet Soldier was tuff. He had to be to survive Stalin's Purges and then the Winter War against Finland, the Polish War and then the German onslaught in 1941. Soviet sources admitted that 22 Million Soviets died in WW2. The real number was more like 35 Million......
Loving these comments. You can always tell those who have absolutely zero, or extremely shallow, knowledge of history. To be clear, and this is from a non-American, Russia was slapped all the way to Moscow in both wars. By the same country both times. Their entire country broke the first time, and the USA absolutely saved them the second time. The only people that dispute this are those with no idea of how much the USA sent Russia during Lend Lease.
Sorry to remind you that America inflicted less than 8% of all German casualties which falls into irrelevance when compared to the 80% inflicted by the USSR! Germans never entered Moscow neither in WW1 when they were nowhere near the city at any point, nor in WW2 when they were defeated dozens of kms away from Moscow after which they focused on another city which, although easier target than Moscow, ultimately brought Germans their biggest defeat in WW2!
Throw bodies at enemy pillboxes in open field outside the city and only after make use of tanks inside the city where they are sitting ducks waiting to be picked off from surrounding buildings. Fortunately, the enemy is equally stupid and reserves the use of mortar inside the city where is less effective. Are these the same tactics that have made the invasion of Ukraine such a success for the Russian army?
YES. And, These are also the same tactics (along with Stalin purging most of his Best Generals) that resulted in "The Great Patriotic War" being the Mother of ALL Pyrrhic victories for the Soviet Union. It Also didn't help, that THEN, just like Today, the USSR pissed of the Baltic states-namely by taking them over, and Ukraine; by starving millions of their farmers for resisting Collectivization. On the First day of Barbarossa, they had their troops Too far forward-with little in the way of fallback positions, so they were outflanked. Their air assets (which were mostly Obsolete) were destroyed by the Nazi Werhmacht on the ground. And, they left several million troops guarding Siberia against Japan. After being roundly schooled by Zukhov several years earlier, the Japanese were unlikely to mess with the Russians. One GOOD thing the Czar did, back in the Late 19th Century, was to build the Trans-Siberian railroad. This allowed Soviet Industrial assets to be quickly moved to the East, out of reach of the Enemy.
@@drpoundsign По поводу почему в начале войны,, Красная Армия,, так отступала до Москвы написал Суворов в книге,, Ледовый,,. Рекомендую вам понравится.
"The Soviet soldiers lack refined assets of war so they are taught to directly engage the enemy"?? What do they lack and what should they do? Should they intentionally target civilians, murder the enemy's loved ones with atomic bomb in order to subdue the enemy that way instead of clashing him in an "army vs army" manner?
@@thalastianjorus You have zero arguments to put forward against the facts I stated and the truth doesn't suit you? I dare you to contradict any of my points!
@@matovicmmilan You... did not make any points. You did not state any facts. You asked two rhetorical questions followed by an obvious, and misguided, statement about the Americans. What, exactly, was there to dispute?
As it is, fortifying freshly occupied territory against a counter attack is paying off big time for Russia in Ukraine. Ukrainian counter offensive is moving slow and the land that's being retaken is just barely enough to bury tge casualties they're taking every single day.
Рік тому+4
We should be carefull in comparing the Soviet Army (very large and with a lot of ressources) with the current Russian Army (greatly scaled down after successive reforms and with much less ressources). It seems in South Ukraine the Russians have put most of their available units to man the main fortifications, with not enough to do a full "defense in depth". This is some Gerasimov doctrine of holding at the first line, even counterattack when possible, in opposition to Surovikin (which was responsible for the now infamous Surovikin Line fortifications). They want to avoid a repeat of the rout on the Kharkov front last year, which happenned under Surovikin. So, if the Ukrainians manage to break those first lines, the Russians might be in a world of hurt. Those very few kilometers might be actually much more decisive than we think. This is something to watch carefully.
Рік тому+2
@@freiherrdinkelacker We've heard that tune from the pro-Russians for quite a while now, while Ukraine is becoming the new Russia's Afganistan War (or Russia's Vietnam). Once again the USSR/Russian though they'd invade easily a neighbor and they got themselves into a tarpit when the population didn't just put down the weapons.
Рік тому
@@freiherrdinkelacker Some of the Russian millitary, such as General Surovikin, were already there during the Afghanistan War, and they are now at risk of having a new tarpit of the kind in Ukraine. And just in case anybody had a doubt, invading another country, that's what creates a war.
apart from a handful of unproved blanket statements by the narrator, where's all these outdated or stupid tactics all the comments are going on about? i don't see them. i see tactics that are incredibly similar to nato ones for a frontline conflict, if they're calling this mass charges then so is the us army's concept of "speed, surprise and violence of action" Sure, the film is showing a near-perfectly executed victory, but so would any american film, you're trying to teach people how to win, of course soldiers in the field will never work under perfect contidions! To be clear, this isn't a comment in support of russia, they're the imperialist aggresssor in this conflict, and they are losing, but they aren't complete morons and they aren't losing very quickly. underestimating an enemy is a serious issue, as is how easily people seem to have been so thoroughly propagandized against anything russian. I just feel bad for the average russian conscript getting bombed in a foreign ditch because putin decided he wanted to reform the russian empire instead of making lives better for russians
Don't you worry, 300.000 of your so called "conscripts" with prior military service underwent additional year-long training and were accompanied by extra 300.000 ordinary Russians who volunteered to take part in the SMO to accomplish the 3 announced tasks: 1.) Demilitarisation of Ukraine; 2.) Denacification of Ukraine; 3.) Liberation of Donetsk and Lugansk;
@@matovicmmilan LMAO- Uh huh. Go back under your bridge little Ivan Troll. Nobody wants to hear your drivel. Go to the front if you're so sure Russia will win- don't you want to take part in the parade through Kiyv?
This is HILARIOUS- nothing of what the Soviets are saying (presumably the narration is translating and paraphrasing) is true. It's how things SHOULD be done- except for the running into minefields thing- but not how the Soviets did or probably would do them. All you have to do is look at the facts about Soviet attacks in WWII- 80% losses, replenishment, 80% losses... rinse and repeat. Fire ALL the artillery at a general area, and then send your men forward to get chopped up. RUSSIAN memoirs don't even hide this, let alone German descriptions. This isn't a training film, it's propaganda. To make officers? feel like things would be done well- but it's an ideal that's pure fantasy, as we see today in Ukraine. They're STILL doing the same stuff! Even the Ukrainians, before good Western training, were doing a lot of it; one US vet who joined the International Legion mentioned that he expected sand tables and proper assignments, but nope, they just drove to the operational area and everyone (Ukrainians) expected to get a basic 'go here' order once they got there. No plan, not coordination- nothing. Luckily, they've learned well since then.
The western-trained Ukrainian soldiers and commanding officers have been saying for 4 months (since they started the counter-offensive) that if they were to act according to what NATO taught them, they would've all died! "The instructors trained us as if the enemy wouldn't return fire" as one Ukrainian soldier said! That's how the surviving ones describe western training 🤣 Besides, unbelievable Ukrainian successes further speak for the "good western training" 👏
Keby si tu nevypisoval smaé hlúposti že Sovieti 80% straty akurát že Sovieti zabili 70% nemeckej armády a zničili 80% ich techniky, keby im mali čeliť Američania a Briti tak by si proti takej sile nemcov ani neprdli, preto Sovieti mali také straty, lebo bojovali proti kvalitne vycvičenej armáde, doslova prvej progesionálnej na svete. Kým Sovieti sa učili počas bojov, kopa z nich nevedela vtedy v WWII ani písať ani čítať, Nemci mali plne vycvičenú armádu. Tak nečudo že akí straty mali Sovieti, druhá vec Sovieti útočili a nemci bránili od hranic Moskvy až po Berlín a útočník má vždy min. 2x vyššie straty ako obranca. Nevieš nič len táraš nezmysly a západnú propagandu.
@@dungeon_masster. LOL That's exactly the response I'd expect from a Russian. Territory is worth any cost in human lives. And if you can enslave the people there, so much the better. And it's insulting that you call yourself dungeon_master- AD&D is a game for decent people, not Russians. Probably just a troll farm auto-chosen name though.
As a US Army soldier, during the Cold War in the late 1970s, we received many briefings about the Russian soldiers and their tactics. I remember the instructor stating " 'Ivan' is a might warrior, but they're not giants." 😉
Giants exist only in fairy tales, but the Russians managed the impossible - they buried the invincible Wehrmacht. And this is an indisputable fact,....
not without billions in US aid they didn't, they would've been annihilated...not to mention weather, Hitler's ideology expressed through officer corps down to line soldier, that reversed initial gushing Russian peasant support of Wehrmacht as liberators, and bad planning/unforeseen outcomes. @@captderichelieu2280
Вермахт и Гитлер был побеждён огромной ценой жизнями простого солдата.
,, Красная Армия,, это армия мясников. Ничего не меняется.
@captderichelieu2280 you send enough meat at a position and eventually the defenders drown in blood.
70s USA tip of the spear!
Congratulations periscope your channel is growing.
What's the original name of these soviet training films? And, are there more of them?
There are probably hundreds of them. Soviets were compulsive archivists.
Id say the only thing that has changed is the fact that destroying an enemy city block by block is the way to go. If that's not an option, laying siege while destroying food, power, and water infrastructure for a few weeks will go a long way to soften up the defenses.
They did that then, too.
That’s the oldest play in the book buddy
They seem to be using the same handbook today.
Surprising, eh? Or is it? Russia is centuries behind the rest of Europe, and has been for- centuries. Progression isn't their thing...
Ничего не меняется в России. Людей там никто и никогда не жалел. Гнали волнами на врага несмотря ни на что. Мясники...
@@user-mx2sv1xq2ithat simply isn't true. Zhukov and Rokossovsky are famous for being very much concerned with strategic and tactical planning and the minimalization of casualties.
@@user-mx2sv1xq2i za to Amerike záleží na ľuďoch preto za ich invázií po svete od Vietnamu zahynulo vyše 12 000 000 civilistov ty špina jedna.
Like him or not but the individual Soviet Soldier was tuff. He had to be to survive Stalin's Purges and then the Winter War against Finland, the Polish War and then the German onslaught in 1941. Soviet sources admitted that 22 Million Soviets died in WW2. The real number was more like 35 Million......
"ARMY INTELLIGENCE" Still a contradiction in terms.
Loving these comments. You can always tell those who have absolutely zero, or extremely shallow, knowledge of history. To be clear, and this is from a non-American, Russia was slapped all the way to Moscow in both wars. By the same country both times. Their entire country broke the first time, and the USA absolutely saved them the second time. The only people that dispute this are those with no idea of how much the USA sent Russia during Lend Lease.
Sorry to remind you that America inflicted less than 8% of all German casualties which falls into irrelevance when compared to the 80% inflicted by the USSR!
Germans never entered Moscow neither in WW1 when they were nowhere near the city at any point, nor in WW2 when they were defeated dozens of kms away from Moscow after which they focused on another city which, although easier target than Moscow, ultimately brought Germans their biggest defeat in WW2!
@@matovicmmilanAh yes, casualties. Because counting casualties is how you determine victory. Worked SO WELL in Vietnam there, didn't it. 😏
Well there's a lot of people/countries that will slap Germans down again if they try again.
@@jimechols4347 imagine thinking Germany is the cause of today's world problems. XD
@@matovicmmilan He's talking about Lend-Lease- without the supplies from the US and British Commonwealth, Russia would have lost to Germany.
Zap Branigan tactics
Send wave after wave of their own men until the Killbots reached their internal kill limit and shut down... works every time LOL
In the section starting at 13:20, the fascist gangsters are shown firing a heroic soviet 5cm mortar
Это миномёт был трофей. На войне как на войне... 😂😂😂
Throw bodies at enemy pillboxes in open field outside the city and only after make use of tanks inside the city where they are sitting ducks waiting to be picked off from surrounding buildings. Fortunately, the enemy is equally stupid and reserves the use of mortar inside the city where is less effective. Are these the same tactics that have made the invasion of Ukraine such a success for the Russian army?
YES. And, These are also the same tactics (along with Stalin purging most of his Best Generals) that resulted in "The Great Patriotic War" being the Mother of ALL Pyrrhic victories for the Soviet Union.
It Also didn't help, that THEN, just like Today, the USSR pissed of the Baltic states-namely by taking them over, and Ukraine; by starving millions of their farmers for resisting Collectivization.
On the First day of Barbarossa, they had their troops Too far forward-with little in the way of fallback positions, so they were outflanked. Their air assets (which were mostly Obsolete) were destroyed by the Nazi Werhmacht on the ground. And, they left several million troops guarding Siberia against Japan. After being roundly schooled by Zukhov several years earlier, the Japanese were unlikely to mess with the Russians.
One GOOD thing the Czar did, back in the Late 19th Century, was to build the Trans-Siberian railroad. This allowed Soviet Industrial assets to be quickly moved to the East, out of reach of the Enemy.
Exactamundo.
@@drpoundsign soviets got really lucky having some great generals, zhukov isn't well known outside of the slavic region/
@@drpoundsign По поводу почему в начале войны,, Красная Армия,, так отступала до Москвы написал Суворов в книге,, Ледовый,,. Рекомендую вам понравится.
Wow, there was some real strong propaganda here....
"The Soviet soldiers lack refined assets of war so they are taught to directly engage the enemy"??
What do they lack and what should they do? Should they intentionally target civilians, murder the enemy's loved ones with atomic bomb in order to subdue the enemy that way instead of clashing him in an "army vs army" manner?
FREEDUMB!!!!!
Tell me that you've very little understanding of history without telling me...
@@thalastianjorus
You have zero arguments to put forward against the facts I stated and the truth doesn't suit you? I dare you to contradict any of my points!
@@matovicmmilan You... did not make any points. You did not state any facts. You asked two rhetorical questions followed by an obvious, and misguided, statement about the Americans. What, exactly, was there to dispute?
@@thalastianjorus
Did the Americans drop atomic bomb on civilians or not? Was that the worst case of war crime ever committed or not?
Compare to today
As it is, fortifying freshly occupied territory against a counter attack is paying off big time for Russia in Ukraine. Ukrainian counter offensive is moving slow and the land that's being retaken is just barely enough to bury tge casualties they're taking every single day.
We should be carefull in comparing the Soviet Army (very large and with a lot of ressources) with the current Russian Army (greatly scaled down after successive reforms and with much less ressources).
It seems in South Ukraine the Russians have put most of their available units to man the main fortifications, with not enough to do a full "defense in depth". This is some Gerasimov doctrine of holding at the first line, even counterattack when possible, in opposition to Surovikin (which was responsible for the now infamous Surovikin Line fortifications). They want to avoid a repeat of the rout on the Kharkov front last year, which happenned under Surovikin.
So, if the Ukrainians manage to break those first lines, the Russians might be in a world of hurt. Those very few kilometers might be actually much more decisive than we think. This is something to watch carefully.
@@freiherrdinkelacker We've heard that tune from the pro-Russians for quite a while now, while Ukraine is becoming the new Russia's Afganistan War (or Russia's Vietnam). Once again the USSR/Russian though they'd invade easily a neighbor and they got themselves into a tarpit when the population didn't just put down the weapons.
@@freiherrdinkelacker Some of the Russian millitary, such as General Surovikin, were already there during the Afghanistan War, and they are now at risk of having a new tarpit of the kind in Ukraine.
And just in case anybody had a doubt, invading another country, that's what creates a war.
You mean the Russian casualties? The 350,000 that have died and failed in taking Kiev?
LoL
@@freiherrdinkelackerSilence, bot.
When Russia was part of the world’s second most powerful war machine. Now Russia is the second most powerful war machine in Ukraine.
Not really 😂
To máš odkiaľ zo západnej propagandy? Ukrajina už prakticky nemá poriadne ani armádu Rusi majú na Ukrajine asi 10% svojej armády
War is a necessary terrible fact of life 😔
He, he, he, not much has changed. Meat atacks are still very popular.
only by Ukraine.
@@legbreaker2762fr
Myslíš ako vylodenie v Normandií? he he he
apart from a handful of unproved blanket statements by the narrator, where's all these outdated or stupid tactics all the comments are going on about? i don't see them. i see tactics that are incredibly similar to nato ones for a frontline conflict, if they're calling this mass charges then so is the us army's concept of "speed, surprise and violence of action"
Sure, the film is showing a near-perfectly executed victory, but so would any american film, you're trying to teach people how to win, of course soldiers in the field will never work under perfect contidions!
To be clear, this isn't a comment in support of russia, they're the imperialist aggresssor in this conflict, and they are losing, but they aren't complete morons and they aren't losing very quickly. underestimating an enemy is a serious issue, as is how easily people seem to have been so thoroughly propagandized against anything russian. I just feel bad for the average russian conscript getting bombed in a foreign ditch because putin decided he wanted to reform the russian empire instead of making lives better for russians
YANKEE GO HOME.
(And stay there!).
Nobody wants you, needs you or likes you, take the hint!
Don't you worry, 300.000 of your so called "conscripts" with prior military service underwent additional year-long training and were accompanied by extra 300.000 ordinary Russians who volunteered to take part in the SMO to accomplish the 3 announced tasks:
1.) Demilitarisation of Ukraine;
2.) Denacification of Ukraine;
3.) Liberation of Donetsk and Lugansk;
It's that this is all theory- they claim it's how they would do things but we know it's not how it actually happened.
@@matovicmmilan LMAO- Uh huh. Go back under your bridge little Ivan Troll. Nobody wants to hear your drivel. Go to the front if you're so sure Russia will win- don't you want to take part in the parade through Kiyv?
@@mattl3729and how do you know? UA-cam videos feeding you lies by the state department?
in search of food or washing machines and toilets.
This is HILARIOUS- nothing of what the Soviets are saying (presumably the narration is translating and paraphrasing) is true. It's how things SHOULD be done- except for the running into minefields thing- but not how the Soviets did or probably would do them. All you have to do is look at the facts about Soviet attacks in WWII- 80% losses, replenishment, 80% losses... rinse and repeat. Fire ALL the artillery at a general area, and then send your men forward to get chopped up. RUSSIAN memoirs don't even hide this, let alone German descriptions. This isn't a training film, it's propaganda. To make officers? feel like things would be done well- but it's an ideal that's pure fantasy, as we see today in Ukraine. They're STILL doing the same stuff! Even the Ukrainians, before good Western training, were doing a lot of it; one US vet who joined the International Legion mentioned that he expected sand tables and proper assignments, but nope, they just drove to the operational area and everyone (Ukrainians) expected to get a basic 'go here' order once they got there. No plan, not coordination- nothing. Luckily, they've learned well since then.
The western-trained Ukrainian soldiers and commanding officers have been saying for 4 months (since they started the counter-offensive) that if they were to act according to what NATO taught them, they would've all died! "The instructors trained us as if the enemy wouldn't return fire" as one Ukrainian soldier said! That's how the surviving ones describe western training 🤣
Besides, unbelievable Ukrainian successes further speak for the "good western training" 👏
Keby si tu nevypisoval smaé hlúposti že Sovieti 80% straty akurát že Sovieti zabili 70% nemeckej armády a zničili 80% ich techniky, keby im mali čeliť Američania a Briti tak by si proti takej sile nemcov ani neprdli, preto Sovieti mali také straty, lebo bojovali proti kvalitne vycvičenej armáde, doslova prvej progesionálnej na svete. Kým Sovieti sa učili počas bojov, kopa z nich nevedela vtedy v WWII ani písať ani čítať, Nemci mali plne vycvičenú armádu. Tak nečudo že akí straty mali Sovieti, druhá vec Sovieti útočili a nemci bránili od hranic Moskvy až po Berlín a útočník má vždy min. 2x vyššie straty ako obranca. Nevieš nič len táraš nezmysly a západnú propagandu.
We need out of Ukraine.
Yes, Russia needs to get out of Ukraine. Pronto.
@@mattl3729 даже не мечтай, мы не уйдем
@@dungeon_masster. Yeah at least 300,000 of you won't- and the sunflowers thank you for the fertilizer :D
@@mattl3729 нам то за что спасибо если эти территории всеравно будут нашими? а 500000 украинцев да, спасибо
@@dungeon_masster. LOL That's exactly the response I'd expect from a Russian. Territory is worth any cost in human lives. And if you can enslave the people there, so much the better. And it's insulting that you call yourself dungeon_master- AD&D is a game for decent people, not Russians. Probably just a troll farm auto-chosen name though.