Can this horse really do both?
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- This sort of cross training is great for their mind.
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What a beautiful mover! 15 years of dressage drills so he's bored but also assumes it's what you want from him. Great job helping him create some new thinking.
Hey Tim enjoy your videos, an unrelated horse question 😊just wondering how big your arena is?
Hi Crystal 🙂 👋
It is 60 feet × 80 feet, as far as I remember Tim saying one time preciously 😁
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thanks for the reply Melinda 🙂
@CrystalKay356 Your welcome 🙂 👌
Boy! He lights up when he moves the cows!! So many good things your working on with him! Thank you!
Interesting to watch this horse learning a different approach to how to think. It should really help him...dressage training leaves out a lot. The owner was smart to bring the horse to you. No reason at all that this handsome horse can not learn to be more down and thinking; and waiting to be asked to do something. Then be able to come back up for dressage! His brain is taking in a lot!!
The difference in the demeanor of this horse is dramatic. He is like a sponge and it looks to me like when you are done he is just warmed up ha ha ha. Nice to see the owner attempting to help him in a way that is beneficial for him.
Hi Tim....Que Cera is a beautiful horse with a lot of dressage training and has learned a lot of resistance tricks to get his own way & no one corrected him. By the end of your ride today he was standing quietly with no bit chomping (another resistance tactic). I don't know how
his owner found out about you, but, this horse will be much happier for your training! I knew a Dutch Warmblood also had only received dressage training and her owner found out she loved herding cows by accident. Anyway, looking forward to watching his progress! Thanks for sharing this training video & thanks to Malinda for putting out such great videos. God bless....😊
What a great idea to “teach an ole dressage horse new tricks” Gorgeous animal!
Loving watching you give this horse a fresh outlook. He’s a really nice horse and his owner is very wise about what the horse needs to get and stay happy.
Opening and closing gates is a great training exercise. It really test the horse’s patience and a good measure of how much control you have over the individual body parts of the horse.
Oh wow, Tim how do you manage steering with one hand, roping w the other, leg work going on AND keeping your balance 🤯 i struggle with half that going on
Does him chomping the bit all the time bother you????
I was about to ask the same. It's constant.
I'd rather he didn't but not something I would focus on.
Most horses stop doing that after a while. His chomping is a frustration outlet I think. It’s not bad and actually keeps saliva going and you want a moist mouth. So basically you just ignore it.
Well done, Tim, Malinda, horse and owner. I’ve always been a believer in a mix of Western and English, is beneficial to horse and rider, to reach an optimal level.
Great interpretation of the needs of the horse!
Thank you for sharing all.💕
Dressage horse becoming a cow horse. He likes having a job can see that. How long will he be in training?
Finally home in North Carolina from 2 months in Europe. I did keep up with most of your videos while I was there.
Great job working with this horse he really needs you the thing that drives me nuts is his chomping on the bit
We all need a change of pace. And, we all need a job to do.
I know of an on-track European trotter who was given dressage training during his off season, by his groom. This was something completely different for him and helped keep him fresh & successful. This is what I'm talking about. 😊
Busy, busy boy in every direction 😊
lucky horse. You are doing everything his mind needs. I generally feel sorry for horses that only do dressage - no trail riding, no jumping, nothing fun.
He lives on a twenty acre pasture with hills and forests and other horses to play with. He's just been on vacation for way too long while I've been dealing with knee replacements and kidney stones and all the other things old trainers go through. He just doesn't like that his vacation has ended and he has to listen to what he's told.
@@BevTwitchell Please don't listen to people who do not know the whole story. No owner should need to justify why their horse needs a bit of extra help. People who send Tim their horses are doing the right thing for the right reasons. They pay for the training because they CARE and want to do right by their equine partner. That is all anyone needs to know, and it's implied by them being with Tim.
I ride weekly, learning dressage. It's the foundation to the rest! If you can move with your horse seamlessly, anything is possible.
I hope your recovery goes well and you can get back to the fun parts of life.
Been there Bev! He’s a gorgeous guy and you are spot on and so fortunate to have Tim. When I was training and had to recover from cancer there was no one to help me get my horses back in shape. But I did it, hope you are healing up and will be back in the saddle soon.
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Well said, Jackie 🙂 👌
You sound interesting and knowledgeable 😊
He is such a beautiful horse, when he decides to do what he is asked to do. 💖
... And so petulant when he doesn't want to 😂😶
It's not really that he doesn't want to. It's more like he wants to do 5 things when I'm asking for 1.
Great video.
Boredom can lead to stress, and stress lead to physical ailments. Boredom is, I think, more common than we like to believe in horses, whatever their discipline.
That's the main reason I've always broken my rehab ponies to drive - it's something different, it takes their mind away from their previous activities of mischief and mayhem, and _requires_ them to cooperate with me.
And the nice thing about driving a horse with this much movement is he gets exercise, discipline and he hasn't worn out his rider. I may have to teach him to drive:)
@ BevTwitchell The modern Hanoverian (and other European warmbloods) are somewhat different animals, physically, to those pre WW2 and earlier, BUT not very different mentally - they were bred as good-looking, hard-working, reliable, highly-trainable multi-purpose horses which could turn their hand (or rather hoof!) to many tasks - enough 'breeding' to be a good riding horse but sufficiently bulky to be useful in the fields at harvest time and other times of 'rush' in a largely-agricultural society, and for a range of military purposes in the many European wars of the 18th & 19th C.
If you look on youtube at Barry Hook's channel, he has a great video of 4 Gelderlanders - warmbloods from the Netherlands - which he broke to harness. Search under 'Horse Drawn Promotions'.
Not just different than they were pre WW2 horses are different than they were 20 years ago. All horse show industries, english and western, are what drives the constant changes as they improve and become better show horses. In order to keep up with the changes a trainer must be at the source of where the changes are coming from. Trainers like myself and the owner of this horse who show and compete on a world level on these cutting edge horse are the ones training the horses that everyone else will be riding in 20 years. The horses that most people ride now are the grand get of the horses we were showing 20 years ago and the horses most people will be riding in 20 years will be the grand get of the horses we are riding now. Driving is good, I drive everything that I am starting but that technique is not what this horse needs right now.
He's a nice horse! He is very different from many high level dressage horses. Has a real active mind, and I think you are doing a great job with him. Did they originally use the breed for war horses?
The high level dressage horses are difficult for mainstream riders, and often for the high level riders as well, because they are very alert and react to everything. It's interesting to see how hard it is for this horse to start engaging his brain in the work, he's used to the rider controlling his body and thus keeping him from reacting too much. Here his body isn't controlled in the same manner because that would not lead to a new result, but he hasn't really discovered his mind is part of his responsability yet, so he uses the "time off" to focus on other things 🙂.
The frequent changes of direction are totally new for a dressage horse. They do very long stretches at the same gait, and repeat the same patterns almost endlessly, compared to this.
Sounds like he's really chewing on the bit.
He reminds me of my oldest son between the ages of 12-15. When he decided to do something, he did it perfectly, beautifully. But when he was bored or didn’t respect someone - horrible. He grew out of it, learned self-discipline and is now very successful. I am sure this beautiful horse will do the same thing.
Same thing with my youngest son.
Is that him chomping at the bit?? Have you thought about using a bit with a roller or cricket?
What a treat to ride.
Need a chest harness and gimbal for the walking to the pasture part.
You have such patience
Tim just wanted to reiterate that in the Dressage ring you can't ask the judges to wait until my horse is focused. You need distractions when practising at home. Another great training resource ❤
Is this Que Cera? So glad this horse gets to learn something new. I took lessons on a Hanoverian and he was so comfortable to ride. Very easy to sit his trot & canter. He was a school horse so was more of whoa than go but a great lesson horse. Big too 17 hands.
Yes
His body is incredibly educated - his hind leg action alone shows that! - but he’s definitely rocking the catch-22 of many a talented horse, where his brain is a few grades behind, he turns into a toddler the moment he’s asked to just. do. nothing. !! You don’t pull a horse this nice out of the stall and just sit on it, you put him to capital-W Work, and that’s what he’s used to. Talented horses are just like talented people; they’re used to going to WORK, but just like people, they benefit hugely from learning how do nothing. Can’t teach a horse how to meditate, but if he learns to stand quietly while you rope off him… much the same lesson. ;)
Aw...really wanted to see Tim remount. I have the same problem with a 16.2 TB.
Hmm...I'm seeing a horse that tries its best to learn a new language. As a trainer myself mainly in classical dressage the cues are a little different. And even among dressage trainers there are slight differences, however, the riders position is different, the way a back up is asked and the halt is different. Also the horse is supposed to push somewhat on the bit.
Tim: at approximately 9:30 you say ‘fuss at him’ . What are you doing that’s fussing at him?
I used to take my jumpers to do team penning. We all had a blast.
A bit of a brat!
Absolutely. While I've been back and forth to the hospital for a variety of stuff I've had to hire others to ride him. The last four ended up crying. That is why I sent him to Tim. I'd get on him and he would do the work, then the others would get on and let Que Sera push them around. That is not good for a horse.
@@BevTwitchell Hope you are feeing better. He is a beautiful horse, I love his movement......glad he has Tim for his tune up! Hope you get to ride soon!
@@BevTwitchell I hope you are on the mend and will soon have those health problems behind you. Smart to think outside of the box and send him to Tim. Most dyed in the wool English riders would not think of that because Tim rides with a western saddle. I really appreciate Tim’s big picture looking at things looking for the cause and not just at the symptoms.
@@elinorb100 I've pulled his mother out of retirement and am starting to get my riding legs back. She's not too happy about that ether but it is good for her too.
He seems to be very resistant today. That banging on the bit is just a way to try to distract himself from what he is being asked to do. Is it just resentment about being asked for something in which he lacks confidence?
Very interesting video. Hard to keep this horses mind on the job. He also carries this into his being led. You can see him start to walk past Tim on the off side as he got closer to the barn which is why I think Tim turned and went the other way. You can tell he is a smart horse. Nice that he is cozy. But can you see riding that trot all day out on the range?
Definitely not a trot for working on a ranch. Lol.
Posting helps.❤️
I do not know much about confirmation, so this is a question to learn, not criticize anyone. I notice he arches his neck as he moves. I can tell Tim is not pulling on the reins to force that (nor would he!). I've learned here that the head/neck position comes from how a horse caries their body. Is this neck arch just a product of this horse's confirmation, a product of prior training, or both?
It looks like having props to teach skills no only makes it more fun, but may also help a horse understand the why. They don't necessarily think in those terms, but understanding the process has to help them understand that standing quietly is part of it.
It's fascinating to watch training in action. Malinda's camera skills are fantastic. She does an amazing job.
It’s his dressage training. They seek a face “ on the vertical “. The position goes with engaging the body into correct collection in preparation for maneuvers. Reining horses are taught similarly because a finished horse is said to be “ in the bridle” and therefore ready to move in any direction. It’s a big part of setting a horse up for successful engagement of the rear end and whole body to work properly.
In his case, it is also an 'escape mechanism' ahead of or behind the bit when he does not want to cooperate fully.
@@livesoutdoors1708 Thanks!
@@marilynbridges8697 Thank you!
Pretty boy.
Isn't part of the problem that you are trying to rope off of a horse that doesn't understand neck reining?
Just a bit.
He is smart. I think he is a quick learner to that, though.
If catching was the goal yes, but that is not the goal.
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I wonder how much he cost? I have cutting bread horses my hole life. I really like this horse!
I turned down $65000 for him because it was a horse jockey wanting to send him to Canada for an Olympic horse where he would have gone from one over ambitious trainer to the next with no home and no relationship with his owner. This horse doesn't have that kind of mind. He bonds very close to his human and he needs a partnership. Tim is doing very well telling him he is not the boss and he needs to listen. Not through abuse but with great patience and knowing what he wants to accomplish.
@@BevTwitchell With abuse, all you teach the subject is how to avoid more abuse. Tim does the opposite. He has a conversation with the horse and explains what he wants, listens to their concerns, and guides them to success. I learn so much watching and the horse comes out confident, not terrified.
@@BevTwitchellyou must be “Mom”. Ignore the trolls they don’t get it you have literally sent him to camp and he is loving it. I am sure when he gets home he will be so happy. My old top level western pleasure horse loved to push cows on his day off. It gives their brain something new and keeps their bodies going well. I hope you keep us updated he is really a lovely and SMART horse.
@@BevTwitchell So neat to see the owner in these comments. Thanks for telling us more about this gorgeous, clever horse. Hope you get to feeling better.