True legend !!! Others stuck to the army and got easily killed, you saw it coming and vanished in the bush . Today you telling the story . You deserve my salute . A man deserves a chieftainship status .True hero !!
I am from South Africa I've never been in Zimbabwe but I've been watching dis videos and what's interest me most is that you are speaking Zulu,,I hope one day we will have political leaders who will take care of our peaple and deal with poverty that many of us are facing
They are Ndebele people, who share the same Nguni ancestry and language with Zulu and AmaXhosa. Our foreforefathers from some generations ago were the same.
@@katastrophe7022 which is why they should claim dual citizenship in SA. 🇬🇧 Citizens in Africa all have dual citizenship in 🇬🇧... If you don't the make a claim on SA other races like will lain claim chinese... If not for yourselves do it for future generations
I am not Ndebele I am shona and Zimbabwean bantu bakithi ngizwe ubuhlungu kakhulu obaba eyibeka ca indaba. Kubuhlungu sibili kuyephulinhliziyo. Kufanele indaba le inkhulunywe futhi ilungiswe kahle abantu bazeba xole emoyeni. Kufanele kudingisiswe iqiniso likhulunywe eish am ashamed totally ashamed of ubukhokheli that presided over this cruel war on people
Best interview to date and from the heart. Wenza umsebenzi omuhle kakhulu Zenzele Ndebele okusilethela umlando lapho abanumzama bemizi no mama nabantwana abasalela emaguswini endleleni azange baphinda babuya emakhaya. Owami ubaba waphelela khona eZambia empini. Zipra noMkhonto wesizwe
The Nation owes these selfless people who stayed in the bush, starved, abondoned families and were killed for this Zimbabwe. The Word Dissident was very unfortunate to have been used and labeled by those who did not believe in Nkomos great Ideologues May these heroes be remembered and ackowledged whilst they are still alife.
True, but the way the dissidents showed their disapproval of what was happening in the new government was wrong, they let their egos get the best of them and worse they attacked white people because they knew there was an agreement by the government to protect the whites, so that was meant to break that agreement and get the government in trouble with the British, basically undermining the progress of what everyone fought for. I think they were probably wishing all whites had to be driven out as Nkomo had wished, so it was all a mess shame. Mugabe also forgot that they had promised the people that if they sacrificed their kids they would get the land so the dissatisfied had a right to be angry, then 10 years later the whites were not prepared to sell the land and blacks had waited enough to have it. Then Mugabe says he had noticed that they were inheriting a structure that could not survive had all whites left, which is true, so I don't know. We have no choice but to heal. It's the only way out. We have learnt what conflict brings
These people were given $50000 at one point some would hire busses without anyone inside wasting money. They could have started good business and bought houses cash, that other people work 25 years for. They got farms they never used
What a pity that most of the people (from out of Matabeleland and therefore not conversant with the Ndebele language) who would most benefit from this piece of history can not follow your piece. Subtitles would have been helpful-and I suggest you do add them! Thanks all the same
"You train ,enroll new soldiers yet had an army with one mandate "What for ? Zanla had hate for real and its still there under zanu..another tribe has been 2nd class ever since..Till to date no apology and having a gesture to to show remorse..kaliqunye that will be a payback simpuri! They say forgive and forget!Did you apologize ¿????¿generations after so called unit accord 🤝 🙄, we see this devide is still there and another tribe doesn't want to recognize another tribes irrespective of contributions for freeing the nation..Kaliqunywe ..Moyo Mqondisi is 100% correct
Hi Zenzele, been following your work and I'm impressed by your findings and the content you're posting. For videos like these you could help by providing subtitles for some of the members in your audience who might not understand but as for me, I'm happy and ready to hear more from you!! Keep up the great work!
I have found it interesting that there is deep similarities between some Acholi and Nguni cultural facets, which could explain your understanding of some of the words. Look at the Acholi dance and isitshikitsha and Hosana/wosana of the Kalanga and Tswana Nations, Masai Dance, not jump and Xhosa or Tswana. Acholi women dance and Shangaan/Tsonga Xibelani. Africa is one
If we had a working system , such people's will be having lessons in our Mthwakazi schools , enlightening our children's and at the same time , job creation to some of our honest elders. Moyo baba bayethe !!
Hi Zenzele can you please provide subtitles for videos like these, we follow the channel and would want to understand what is being discussed. I have followed and I believe you are doing a great thing but should also be able to capture all your audience. Thanks
Where are the die hard shona zanu supporters ? Are you still pretending to be in love with the zanu cabal to death or you're ready to repent? Now you see what has been hard for you to accept and acknowledge all these years that putting zanu in power was the worst mistake of your lives? How do you feel now it has finally dawned zanu has been using you from the start to date for their own personal gain?when others were crying you thought you were safe look look now...your zanu ancestors are showing you flames and its your turn to cry... You zanu supporters its time to fix your mess you put in power and help yourselves
Not fair but I like it because someone wants to be superior, Gordon was branded out of hate and his view on power sharing....in other words he is the so called "dissident " kodwa kithi yingqwele yeqhawe..
Weldone Zenzele but please add narrative to your work so that you have wider coverage. It's unfortunate we have ignorant society ...another thing akulanto okuthiwa yi dissertation ' dizidenti" ,okukhona yokuthi akuvunyelwananga ngoba some wanted to bully others and they didn't agree on that
Can somebody summarize in a nutshell what he is saying. Seems like a real good person telling it like it was with no bullshit so please somebody summarize what he said. Thank u
I understand the infrastrarion of my comrades of cos we were treated unfairly. We were victims from both . The wisdom was guys wee supposed to take the rebellious action to mashonaland ppl could hv nt killings like tht
There is no where in the world were you will get justice for Gukurahundi, we will talk about in this generation & 10 more after without getting not a single answer
It’s good to hear the views of these guys but would have liked an in-depth conversation with high profile ex dissidents like Gayigusu or Ndevu need to get to the core of their stories as closure is critical.
Gayigusu will never speak to a journalist because he was an is a CIO spy. Go to Esigodini ko Nsingo or even e Mawabeni you will see him drinking beer. Up to now he is a CIO spy. Gayigusu as you heard of him in the press was a lie. He was Mark Dube, then Mat South Gorveonor.s cousin too. Mnangagwa knows it. Gauyugusu was always with the Fifth Brigade.
Same with interviews of mgabe ,mnangagwa, fifth brigade soldiers and intelligence operatives and zanu govt officials who participated in the genocide in that closure angithi
As well as mgabe and zanu , if its total closure we seek unless its the usual games of commission after commission after commission perusing victims instead of the zanu aggressors
@@stevenleya1220 madoda, zimbindaba, i hear Gasela never spoke about the past but showed he was looking to the future instead, bathi wayethambe over engesona leslwane aziwa eyisona ezindabeni
ZANU PF is a pest in this country. We have a decent population of hard-working people but all their efforts are drowned by this incompetent government of thugs. From the word go, they set out to undo all the good work of the people, all for their selfish reasons
Remember we're colonized..umsuzwane sesiwazi kuthiwa yizumbani,isitshwala nxa ifika erestuarant kuthiwa sadza ..thus total bullshit..Gordon is not tribalist but a down to earth someone
@@thizaman1972 Its an important subject for Zimbabwean history as such I thought more good would be done if subtitles are include so that the message is broadly shared.
I think Zimbabwe should make Ndebele and Shona compulsory in schools, from grade 1 to O Level, and avoid relying on foreign languages to communicate on our own
@@greenpeace7380 true they should get rid of uselessness language like french bring regional languages as well better Swahili afrikaans or Portuguese than french
You people you always say Ndebeles are from KZN ,they are lot of tribes under that Ndebele ,which are original people of Zimbabwe , eg Tonga , Khalanga , Nambia , etc and I understand in Shona is the same but people who caused this are not original Zimbabwe in Shonas it's people who migrated from Mozambique also who are a problem , there also lot of tribes hiden under Shonas , which there some who are original Zimbabwe and on my understanding Shonas are not responsible for gukurahundi it's certain individuals who influence Shonas bad for their on benefits , look now those people they have turned against Shonas and start killing them , we just hate each other because of stupid people who used British thing of divide and rule and they played a major but in this thing , they make us divide and fight each ,now they are laughing at us
@@ishmaeldube5733 me is pure Ndebele with so called royal blood but that's besides the point, and the Matabeleland people as of many other peoples of the world have mixed people in their oneness which is accepted and is common sense, the marginalisation and impoverishment coz of being separated coz of our tribes has been the reason life has been hard for Matabeleland people, being specially and specifically separated from under zim umbrella for genocide and abuse has been the greatest betrayal by our shona comrades after fighting for independence together, so we can fight together to dislodge white colonialism but when its time to enjoy the fruits of independence you put yokes on us and put us under shona colonialism is that proper? As we all know Zipra had shona fighters showing openly that zim had come to maturity and could face the world as grown ups so the zanu propaganda that Ndebeles and shonas hate each other sown into zim people by mgabe and zanu even today is a lie and its evil, zim people are educated and know the truth but have allowed zanu to destabilise the country for their political selfishness for power at all costs, destroying Nkomo and Ndebeles coz of fear of competition wanting to turn Zim into a Zanu Shona exclusive club, its about time zim people united as they did to dislodge white oppression and do the same to this evil called zanu so there is peace and prosperity once more, zim is for all that are in it Ndebeles and Shonas so Ndebeles also have a right to be allowed to enjoy the fruits of independence they also fought for without harassment and political persecution, they also belong to zim as well, if the question be asked where Shonas come from since they always enjoy telling Ndebeles to return to SA do the same Shonas know where they originated from? And dont say Zim coz when the shona arrived in Zim they found the San there who are the original inhabitants so calling Ndebeles immigrants in their country also calls for the same title for Shonas as they are also immigrants in that light and Zim is not their as they wish to make themselves believe, otherwise they must return to the far east or wherever it is they came from, otherwise Ndebeles have a closer claim to Zim as they are just but a stones throw away from SA, So you see this stupidity its my country not yours doesn't make sense and can only be propagated by your so called divide and rule tactic of those who mistakenly have found themselves in power , Ndebeles and Shonas are one and should live in Zim in peace together, spilling of blood and hating each other whilst the country descends into greater decay doesn't help anyone, it is what has caused the ongoing judgement in Zim, look now how many die hard shona zanu supporters have run away from Zim same way they chased many Ndebele people even flooding the same SA they always say Ndebeles must return to showing that something is amiss upstairs, i think Shonas must wake up now and smell the coffee,40years going on like this has there been any success and progress for Zim seeing the aftereffects which is political hardship,unemployment, record inflation and corruption levels that even when diamonds were added to the mineral wealth of Zim the same diamonds no one seems to know were they are going and they failed to help stabilise the economy, our neighbours Botswana must be shocked and laughing at us, with all the mineral wealth and rich land Zim is now one of the poorest countries in the world yet we claim to be the most educated country in Africa, we are lying to ourselves, when mgabe came off his beloved post we celebrated only to find his replacement as more of the same meaning its not an individual troubling Zim people its the whole zanu bunch policy and political shallow mindedness that must be removed to end Zims dilemma and for rejuvenation to start, wasting time fighting whilst the country is sinking doesn't make sense coz at the end of the day both Shonas and Ndebeles will continue to suffer the economic decline, the only people making a killing in Zims condition is the zanu party and their connected friends and families the rest are singing the blues,Zim people cant allow this hostage crisis to continue its 40 years now getting old without any hope from zanu but fake promises and lies whilst they enjoy making our hearts sick, we need to exhibit the maturity that we have and take charge of the situation coz at the end of the day politicians are employees given a position of trust as custodians of which since they have over underperformed its time Zim people fired them there's too many able replacements.
@@ishmaeldube5733 Ndebeles comprise of the Nguni people including Xhosas, Sothos,Vendas etc and your other list we accept them we don't mind a bigger house coz from our forefathers time we see maturity in acceptance of growth and increase we are now so united its hard to separate us, you remind me when we were young some Shona friends would be offended being called Shona saying they also were Ndebeles coz of their mum and they spoke the language fluently, we were kids playing and never had the sense to think anything major out of the situation it was just humorous and childs play,but when we grew up we realised some of the elders were children with how they have failed Zim by bad leadership skills and lack of ability to govern such a beautiful country, tears in my eyes, even you Shonas wozani we know you wouldn't want to be connected with this bunch of lunatics called zanu,feel free
Will Ndlovu You made me laugh 😂😂😂😂 . Why don’t you go back to school and learn history than to be a pathological liar. Where are you from originally be honest dude. Did Mzilikazi runaway from the Rozvi emperor ? Or was he running away from the Zulu. There is no point trying to score chip points like zanu pf. I suggest you read properly before you vomit here
@@Blain89 I dont think it was a way of destroying the Ndebele, this man surrendered and he is safe, the government was fighting people who were distabilising the independence, dissidents however had gone to war to fight for land our independence did not come with land so they had a right to be dissatisfied. However going to attack white people was a statement to the government, that its war again. Remember the Lancaster agreement said white people were to be protected and the dissidents captured foreigners and killed them, foreigners not even local whites. Kunguwe u president what would u have done? If you do that you become the enemy of the state and all enemies of the state are destroyed. Why fid the dissidents hide amongst the masses if they were men enough to break away. They are the ones that caused the killing. And they should apologize to their own people
If you do not understand the issue of gukuraundi genocide and dissidents: Thabo Mbeki and other ANC leaders put pressure on Mugabe for help to allow safe passage of MK soldiers to South Africa, but Mugabe refused because the ANC was sponsored by Russia the country that sponsored Zapu and Zipra. Mugabe closed down the Russian embassy in Harare in the early 1980s. Mugabe was fed up by being bothered by ANC leaders and he resorted to arresting them. Thabo Mbeki was arrested on false charges on his way to a meeting with Mugabe, he was kept at Kami prison during Gukurahundi, many ANC cadres were accused of sponsoring dissents or of being dissidents themselves. Many MK cdes were killed around Bulawayo by the Mugabe government, many were deported to Botswana and South Africa. The ANC was very angry at Mugabe to an extent that Mandela had to say that Mugabe didn't want him released from jail. Kenneth Kaunda sort Mugabe's help in resolving the South African conflict, he wanted negotiations to take place between ANC and apartheid government, Mugabe had good relations with South Africa at the time but Mugabe refused to entertain such an idea. Kenneth Kaunda had to go it alone, it became better when D W De Klerk took over on South Africa as he was willing to negotiate, he agreed to meet Kaunda for negotiations and they had a meeting in Livingston where they mapped the way forwarded, De Klerk went back and had a meeting with Mandela while he was in jail, he was transported to pretoria during the night to meet de klerk. After agreements were made and Mandela was released from jail Mugabe wanted to get involved, he traveled to South Africa but Mandela told him in face that he was not needed and he should go back, he was embarrassed and left. Mugabe's government through Mnangagwa relayed information about on ANC cadres staying in Zimbabwe, even during the liberation struggle in Zimbabwe there were ANC cdes who were staying in the country but they never experienced bombings like what happened after Mugabe became the prime minister of Zimbabwe. The frontline states never trusted Mugabe and Zanu, Oliver Tambo once labelled Mugabe imperialist agent. It should be known that Mugabe's release from jail in 1974 was negotiated by the National Party of South Africa through John Vorster, this raised a lot of questions but it seems the take of Zanu leadership was already planned, even the Rhodishian special branch arranged to assassinate him at his house I'm Mozambique South Africa tipped him, he survived and they found his house deserted.
After researching the whole issue, I wonder whether Mugabe and Mnangagwa had beforehand knowledge of the imminent assassination of Joe Gqabi in 1981? It is said that Mnangagwa was responsible for intelligence and security and many of his staff (the leaders of the Zimbabwean intelligence services) were white Rhodesians who secretly worked with the Apartheid Regime...
One thing which Gorden got lost was basic understanding. Intergration was a good idea and be ttrained again. There was nothing wrong to understand the new training which appears despised. Basic education and understanding lacked.
good idea if done sincerely, not as a means of indoctrination which is the reason many Zipra fighters found it hard to continue under such a dark minded gvt, if the truth be told , they treated their Zipra comrades in arms like children and after they saw their embarassing programme had not worked they still continued trying to force it on the fighters which provoked resentment and hostilities and mistrust btw those that should have ended up as best friends after dislodging colonial rule together, the propaganda against Zipra is shocking and misplaced and those who accept that zanu trash have themselves to blame, Zipra was probably the best platform Zim could have used for a better outcome unlike the zanu gvt that has presided over economical and political downward spiral that is forcing even die hard shonas who used to love zanu with all their souls to flee their beloved country coz of poverty,hardships and unemployment. Zipra had shona fighters who even were highly esteemed by J Nkomo and they also highly esteemed Father Zimbabwe (AKA) , Nkomo himself had many shona supporters but as usual zanu downplayed all that beautiful foundation for what should have been essential for greater camaraderiship in events after independence, zanu thick poisoned skulls and their politics of darkness have destroyed zimbabwe. Zanu has separated Zim people for lack of vision and understanding of how to be good leaders and all they have now is lies and excuses which cant feed the populations wallowing in poverty all over Zim.
@@greenpeace7380 I didn't miss any isindebele ngiyasazi phansi naphezulu bafo maybe you lack understanding. My question is not even supporting any neither am I tribalistic. My question still remains who started firing and the reasons provided are not comprehensive enough
Zipra leaders knew dissidents where in operation long time as far as Murehwa We captured their guns etc mistrust with the government was there within Zapu but that didn't give the right for the security forces to shoot civilians.Nkomo is to blame for the uprising
Shoot civilians?what of the whole truth? Young girls and wonen were raped and tortured and gave birth to shona army rape kids, innocent citizens gunned down by the zanu army in the thousands and thrown in pits and disused mines, many were forced into houses and then set alight, pregnant women were bayoneted and foetuses rippes out were those normal people? Why are shonas so tribalistic and why commit genocide when you should have sought out the 100 or so disgruntled former fighters coz of their said grievances against the zanu leadership who were mistreating them in integration and forcing them out of the army? Shonas are so greedy and selfish, after combining forces with Ndebele army and fighting off colonial abuse and winning, when it was now time to share in the independence they quickly turned on Ndebeles, how pathetic, to date they are failing to run the country coz of gross mortgage incompetence and gross mismanaged, zapu properties were forcefully taken away and stripped of all value and to date the shonas are refusing to return them, how greedy are these people? You here shonas saying Ndebeles must return to SA yet they themselves have flooded SA in 100s of thousands running away from their leadership they voted into power uthi ababhedi pho? They must stay in that country and enjoy, these days they've turned on each other and they are killing each other esishoneni banjani abantu laba? What is this story we're hearing from some shona people that mgabe hates Ndebeles coz his dad was killed after being caught committing adultery with a Ndebele man's wife, is that any reason people should die, sasikhona thina lapho, why didn't he get his own wife?
@@Blain89 Hey bro im Shona on my moms side and Moza from fathers side born and raised in Mutare. I have no issues with Ndebele or any group of people, my reason for writing this is to find/figure out if you'd have an issue with me based on my ancestry. I ask sincerely as im trying to understand whether us the people of Zimbabwe (Ndebele, Shona especially) just purely hate each other or its a case of the poison of politics. And vele i hope to be able to kuluma one day
If you do not understand the issue of gukuraundi genocide and dissidents: Thabo Mbeki and other ANC leaders put pressure on Mugabe for help to allow safe passage of MK soldiers to South Africa, but Mugabe refused because the ANC was sponsored by Russia the country that sponsored Zapu and Zipra. Mugabe closed down the Russian embassy in Harare in the early 1980s. Mugabe was fed up by being bothered by ANC leaders and he resorted to arresting them. Thabo Mbeki was arrested on false charges on his way to a meeting with Mugabe, he was kept at Kami prison during Gukurahundi, many ANC cadres were accused of sponsoring dissents or of being dissidents themselves. Many MK cdes were killed around Bulawayo by the Mugabe government, many were deported to Botswana and South Africa. The ANC was very angry at Mugabe to an extent that Mandela had to say that Mugabe didn't want him released from jail. Kenneth Kaunda sort Mugabe's help in resolving the South African conflict, he wanted negotiations to take place between ANC and apartheid government, Mugabe had good relations with South Africa at the time but Mugabe refused to entertain such an idea. Kenneth Kaunda had to go it alone, it became better when D W De Klerk took over on South Africa as he was willing to negotiate, he agreed to meet Kaunda for negotiations and they had a meeting in Livingston where they mapped the way forwarded, De Klerk went back and had a meeting with Mandela while he was in jail, he was transported to pretoria during the night to meet de klerk. After agreements were made and Mandela was released from jail Mugabe wanted to get involved, he traveled to South Africa but Mandela told him in face that he was not needed and he should go back, he was embarrassed and left. Mugabe's government through Mnangagwa relayed information about on ANC cadres staying in Zimbabwe, even during the liberation struggle in Zimbabwe there were ANC cdes who were staying in the country but they never experienced bombings like what happened after Mugabe became the prime minister of Zimbabwe. The frontline states never trusted Mugabe and Zanu, Oliver Tambo once labelled Mugabe imperialist agent. It should be known that Mugabe's release from jail in 1974 was negotiated by the National Party of South Africa through John Vorster, this raised a lot of questions but it seems the take of Zanu leadership was already planned, even the Rhodishian special branch arranged to assassinate him at his house I'm Mozambique South Africa tipped him, he survived and they found his house deserted.
True legend !!! Others stuck to the army and got easily killed, you saw it coming and vanished in the bush . Today you telling the story . You deserve my salute . A man deserves a chieftainship status .True hero !!
I am from South Africa I've never been in Zimbabwe but I've been watching dis videos and what's interest me most is that you are speaking Zulu,,I hope one day we will have political leaders who will take care of our peaple and deal with poverty that many of us are facing
They are Ndebele people, who share the same Nguni ancestry and language with Zulu and AmaXhosa. Our foreforefathers from some generations ago were the same.
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sibanengi kakhulu bafo,sisafika lase Vreyhed kwimgubho yakwethu
@@katastrophe7022 which is why they should claim dual citizenship in SA. 🇬🇧 Citizens in Africa all have dual citizenship in 🇬🇧... If you don't the make a claim on SA other races like will lain claim chinese... If not for yourselves do it for future generations
@@busaniqedicalandiweni4378 seek SA dual citizenship before its too late if not for yourselves do it for your future generations
I am not Ndebele I am shona and Zimbabwean bantu bakithi ngizwe ubuhlungu kakhulu obaba eyibeka ca indaba. Kubuhlungu sibili kuyephulinhliziyo. Kufanele indaba le inkhulunywe futhi ilungiswe kahle abantu bazeba xole emoyeni. Kufanele kudingisiswe iqiniso likhulunywe eish am ashamed totally ashamed of ubukhokheli that presided over this cruel war on people
Becky so sad. We were class mates during those difficult years. Usakhumbula na?
I'm glad that you feel ashamed of this, most of people from your side still speak ill of Ndebele.
What a priceless masterpiece for the archives.. "Sasibhala phansi sithi lingasilandeli" kkkkkk
Best interview to date and from the heart. Wenza umsebenzi omuhle kakhulu Zenzele Ndebele okusilethela umlando lapho abanumzama bemizi no mama nabantwana abasalela emaguswini endleleni azange baphinda babuya emakhaya. Owami ubaba waphelela khona eZambia empini. Zipra noMkhonto wesizwe
keep it up my brother wish to visit dis places one day Mbare, Tsholotsho,Bulawayo the list is endless God bless Africa
The Nation owes these selfless people who stayed in the bush, starved, abondoned families and were killed for this Zimbabwe.
The Word Dissident was very unfortunate to have been used and labeled by those who did not believe in Nkomos great Ideologues
May these heroes be remembered and ackowledged whilst they are still alife.
True, but the way the dissidents showed their disapproval of what was happening in the new government was wrong, they let their egos get the best of them and worse they attacked white people because they knew there was an agreement by the government to protect the whites, so that was meant to break that agreement and get the government in trouble with the British, basically undermining the progress of what everyone fought for. I think they were probably wishing all whites had to be driven out as Nkomo had wished, so it was all a mess shame. Mugabe also forgot that they had promised the people that if they sacrificed their kids they would get the land so the dissatisfied had a right to be angry, then 10 years later the whites were not prepared to sell the land and blacks had waited enough to have it. Then Mugabe says he had noticed that they were inheriting a structure that could not survive had all whites left, which is true, so I don't know. We have no choice but to heal. It's the only way out. We have learnt what conflict brings
These people were given $50000 at one point some would hire busses without anyone inside wasting money. They could have started good business and bought houses cash, that other people work 25 years for. They got farms they never used
What a pity that most of the people (from out of Matabeleland and therefore not conversant with the Ndebele language) who would most benefit from this piece of history can not follow your piece. Subtitles would have been helpful-and I suggest you do add them! Thanks all the same
"You train ,enroll new soldiers yet had an army with one mandate "What for ? Zanla had hate for real and its still there under zanu..another tribe has been 2nd class ever since..Till to date no apology and having a gesture to to show remorse..kaliqunye that will be a payback simpuri! They say forgive and forget!Did you apologize ¿????¿generations after so called unit accord 🤝 🙄, we see this devide is still there and another tribe doesn't want to recognize another tribes irrespective of contributions for freeing the nation..Kaliqunywe ..Moyo Mqondisi is 100% correct
A true Qhawe. So humble, forgiving, determined and positive. I wish I could donate a tractor to your farm.
Hi Zenzele, been following your work and I'm impressed by your findings and the content you're posting. For videos like these you could help by providing subtitles for some of the members in your audience who might not understand but as for me, I'm happy and ready to hear more from you!! Keep up the great work!
Spot on Dube.....
I m proud of u guys nisebenzile I m not scared of comment 🤜
O bhudi,abafana,ama Supra,abantwana benhlabathi ,ababengekho ,odilika dibha yithi laba uyab ufunani..
Am a Ugandans from central Uganda and am surprised by the similarities in words truly that's Bantu !
Wich laungage do yu speak bro
I have found it interesting that there is deep similarities between some Acholi and Nguni cultural facets, which could explain your understanding of some of the words. Look at the Acholi dance and isitshikitsha and Hosana/wosana of the Kalanga and Tswana Nations, Masai Dance, not jump and Xhosa or Tswana. Acholi women dance and Shangaan/Tsonga Xibelani. Africa is one
If you speak Luganda then it's more closely related to Shona language
I zipra forces yayitshaya yayingadlali umdala Gorden tells the truth
Keep it up Zenzele Ndebele- syabonga umsebenzi wakho.
"Amaganu abantu bewahloniphe,umuntu angawagamula abotshwe"
If we had a working system , such people's will be having lessons in our Mthwakazi schools , enlightening our children's and at the same time , job creation to some of our honest elders. Moyo baba bayethe !!
National Hero! iQhawe lamaQhawe.
Thanks for conservation of our history now I see my country with another eye different before I got this history
Valuable information
This very pain fully government should take care of former dissidents fighters and protect them & their farm , equipment.
but they caused people to die
Hi Zenzele can you please provide subtitles for videos like these, we follow the channel and would want to understand what is being discussed. I have followed and I believe you are doing a great thing but should also be able to capture all your audience. Thanks
Varwi verusununguko. Thank you for looking for these unsung heroes. Keep it. I also suggest subtitles for such people like myself.
A true zimbo has to know both ndebele and shona. Do the honourable and learn ndebele
@@redpiller169 it's not the shona people's fault it's gvt policy.... Teaching useless languages like french instead of ndebele
You must learn the language if u're serious abt hearing what is said
Interesting man, good interview
Wish I could speak isindebele😭. The passion he speaks with makes his a good exposition.
Where are the die hard shona zanu supporters ? Are you still pretending to be in love with the zanu cabal to death or you're ready to repent? Now you see what has been hard for you to accept and acknowledge all these years that putting zanu in power was the worst mistake of your lives? How do you feel now it has finally dawned zanu has been using you from the start to date for their own personal gain?when others were crying you thought you were safe look look now...your zanu ancestors are showing you flames and its your turn to cry... You zanu supporters its time to fix your mess you put in power and help yourselves
Hie is it fair to brand this guy a dissident not a freedom fighter
Not fair but I like it because someone wants to be superior, Gordon was branded out of hate and his view on power sharing....in other words he is the so called "dissident " kodwa kithi yingqwele yeqhawe..
Not fair,he is a freedom fighter
Siyabonga Moyo ihistory ebesizwela empulanga ingan yibo bodwa abalwayo kanti bebebulala amaqhawe angempela
Sad that after all his troubles the guy is still suffering like this. I am ashamed of his fellow comrades in Borrowdale mansions
Eish kkk
Not forgetting those in Kumalo bulawayo too...
I wish I was there. Problem ngaphuza ukuzalwa
Lameck Nicodemus Mawela Nkomo 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Kwakumele sikhalise ibhazuka ka Nkomo
Very interested history well baba
Zanu-PF and apartheid South Africa made dissidents.
There's no translation.
Weldone Zenzele but please add narrative to your work so that you have wider coverage. It's unfortunate we have ignorant society ...another thing akulanto okuthiwa yi dissertation ' dizidenti" ,okukhona yokuthi akuvunyelwananga ngoba some wanted to bully others and they didn't agree on that
🇿🇼🇿🇼 isitori yiso Jj kuphela kubuhlungu ngoba lakhululelwa abanye ilizwe not sonke
I need to learn ndebele, I'm missing out on these interviews. Subtitles would help
Black pple we are the enemies of.ourselves,kodwa ngelinye ilanga kuzalunga
Into efunakalayo is devolution there's no way government can spread it's tentacles across the countryside
We want total independence of Mthwakazi
Sad story 😩😩😩😩
Can somebody summarize in a nutshell what he is saying. Seems like a real good person telling it like it was with no bullshit so please somebody summarize what he said. Thank u
Impilo esasiyiphila ngalesiya sikhathi yayibuhlungu. Sakhulula ilizwe sibuye silifele
its so sad
Wamuka tjini Zenzele. Ndoliziba damu. Ilo laka sibantu banye/leku kariba. Ndake ndin'wisa ko nditji mbisana. Ndoti kuhunde kwalo kuna laka nkonkoni. Ku village 30
Eeeh kogwadza tjose koga ke takafanila Wha nekwazo zwinhu izwezwi...... Toboka n'hingo uwo Zenzele ndila mbeli Sungwaha ndokutulila Whutshe ipapo
Thank you thank you Baba Ndebele. Siyabonga, ngoba indaba lezi kufanele sizitshelwe ngabantu ababekhona. Umsebenzi wakho uqakathekile kakhulu. 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
Bakhanda izipunu ngamajet eish ngicabanga kufanele ugezise legazi udle ngaso. Basihluphekela lababantu inkinga nje umsebenzi wabo usujike waba yize ngenxa yababusi
Kunzima shem mina ngikhulele khona kukithi lapho
Can you translate the interview to English
Kayikapheli impi isaqhubeka as long idlambeba lisabusa kusazo hluphekwa
I understand the infrastrarion of my comrades of cos we were treated unfairly. We were victims from both . The wisdom was guys wee supposed to take the rebellious action to mashonaland ppl could hv nt killings like tht
U Khulu wami watshona ngale Problem
There is no where in the world were you will get justice for Gukurahundi, we will talk about in this generation & 10 more after without getting not a single answer
True Hero
"iganu kumele ubotshwe"😂😂😂😂😂
It’s good to hear the views of these guys but would have liked an in-depth conversation with high profile ex dissidents like Gayigusu or Ndevu need to get to the core of their stories as closure is critical.
Gayigusu will never speak to a journalist because he was an is a CIO spy. Go to Esigodini ko Nsingo or even e Mawabeni you will see him drinking beer. Up to now he is a CIO spy. Gayigusu as you heard of him in the press was a lie. He was Mark Dube, then Mat South Gorveonor.s cousin too. Mnangagwa knows it. Gauyugusu was always with the Fifth Brigade.
Same with interviews of mgabe ,mnangagwa, fifth brigade soldiers and intelligence operatives and zanu govt officials who participated in the genocide in that closure angithi
As well as mgabe and zanu , if its total closure we seek unless its the usual games of commission after commission after commission perusing victims instead of the zanu aggressors
@@stevenleya1220 madoda, zimbindaba, i hear Gasela never spoke about the past but showed he was looking to the future instead, bathi wayethambe over engesona leslwane aziwa eyisona ezindabeni
ZANU PF is a pest in this country. We have a decent population of hard-working people but all their efforts are drowned by this incompetent government of thugs. From the word go, they set out to undo all the good work of the people, all for their selfish reasons
Sasitambura !!!... IsiNdebele salobaba siyaphela aphinde asidibanise leShona !!. .. iNdege !!
Remember we're colonized..umsuzwane sesiwazi kuthiwa yizumbani,isitshwala nxa ifika erestuarant kuthiwa sadza ..thus total bullshit..Gordon is not tribalist but a down to earth someone
nxa eliKalanga ke??
Sorry kubuhlungu
Haibo bro no subtitles 🤦♂️
The worst but the worst be free fair and fair 😂😂😂😂
Umkumbi 😂😂...sasokola isizwe sakithi madoda 🤔🤔🤔
Will Ndlovu. Abantu abahloniphe amaganu. Ingiqedile
Shame ooh may GOD judge now it's too bad
Kubuhlungu
jha nhe makhohlakele abantu
Subtitle will do us good.
Ungcono wena nanoma ulitshona ukhuluma kahle.
desmond zvinamano I wonder the amount of subtitles would be needed for the vast amounts of Shona interviews?
@@thizaman1972 Its an important subject for Zimbabwean history as such I thought more good would be done if subtitles are include so that the message is broadly shared.
desmond zvinamano you see arrogance in the Ndebele people , can’t say anything without offending them . Go back to SA
@@benedictlubi7620 ludaba lwamaNdebele nina mgodoy nimenywe nguba, nithanda izinto
Zenzele please also consider subtitles.
You consider learning the language
@@ndikxxndimande5542 I am trying to learn Ndebele but I'd still say it if his documentary was in Tonga or Portuguese.
I think Zimbabwe should make Ndebele and Shona compulsory in schools, from grade 1 to O Level, and avoid relying on foreign languages to communicate on our own
@@greenpeace7380 true they should get rid of uselessness language like french bring regional languages as well better Swahili afrikaans or Portuguese than french
siyabonga Ndebele ,,,imihlaba esiphila kuyo ikatshana lokhu kusisondeza ekhaya
Kkkk o Morali o tayipedza kkk amabizo akhona
Kodwa umona lababantu 34:
Abadala abaskhulisayo basfundisa ngempilo istory yiso
Ngale zathola kuryt kkkk khulu liyangichaza
Aiii lobaba yitasa aiii mxxxxxm
Sad reality
Lalikhanda izpunu ngendege topi😂😂😂
🤣😂
Will Ndlovu ingiqedile leyo. Leyamaganu
Qawe lakithi
Lol
It was bad yooo
Kuhle ukuzwa abakithi besibekela hayi ukulokhe sifunzwa angani abekho abakithi
You people you always say Ndebeles are from KZN ,they are lot of tribes under that Ndebele ,which are original people of Zimbabwe , eg Tonga , Khalanga , Nambia , etc and I understand in Shona is the same but people who caused this are not original Zimbabwe in Shonas it's people who migrated from Mozambique also who are a problem , there also lot of tribes hiden under Shonas , which there some who are original Zimbabwe and on my understanding Shonas are not responsible for gukurahundi it's certain individuals who influence Shonas bad for their on benefits , look now those people they have turned against Shonas and start killing them , we just hate each other because of stupid people who used British thing of divide and rule and they played a major but in this thing , they make us divide and fight each ,now they are laughing at us
@@ishmaeldube5733 me is pure Ndebele with so called royal blood but that's besides the point, and the Matabeleland people as of many other peoples of the world have mixed people in their oneness which is accepted and is common sense, the marginalisation and impoverishment coz of being separated coz of our tribes has been the reason life has been hard for Matabeleland people, being specially and specifically separated from under zim umbrella for genocide and abuse has been the greatest betrayal by our shona comrades after fighting for independence together, so we can fight together to dislodge white colonialism but when its time to enjoy the fruits of independence you put yokes on us and put us under shona colonialism is that proper? As we all know Zipra had shona fighters showing openly that zim had come to maturity and could face the world as grown ups so the zanu propaganda that Ndebeles and shonas hate each other sown into zim people by mgabe and zanu even today is a lie and its evil, zim people are educated and know the truth but have allowed zanu to destabilise the country for their political selfishness for power at all costs, destroying Nkomo and Ndebeles coz of fear of competition wanting to turn Zim into a Zanu Shona exclusive club, its about time zim people united as they did to dislodge white oppression and do the same to this evil called zanu so there is peace and prosperity once more, zim is for all that are in it Ndebeles and Shonas so Ndebeles also have a right to be allowed to enjoy the fruits of independence they also fought for without harassment and political persecution, they also belong to zim as well, if the question be asked where Shonas come from since they always enjoy telling Ndebeles to return to SA do the same Shonas know where they originated from? And dont say Zim coz when the shona arrived in Zim they found the San there who are the original inhabitants so calling Ndebeles immigrants in their country also calls for the same title for Shonas as they are also immigrants in that light and Zim is not their as they wish to make themselves believe, otherwise they must return to the far east or wherever it is they came from, otherwise Ndebeles have a closer claim to Zim as they are just but a stones throw away from SA,
So you see this stupidity its my country not yours doesn't make sense and can only be propagated by your so called divide and rule tactic of those who mistakenly have found themselves in power ,
Ndebeles and Shonas are one and should live in Zim in peace together, spilling of blood and hating each other whilst the country descends into greater decay doesn't help anyone, it is what has caused the ongoing judgement in Zim, look now how many die hard shona zanu supporters have run away from Zim same way they chased many Ndebele people even flooding the same SA they always say Ndebeles must return to showing that something is amiss upstairs, i think Shonas must wake up now and smell the coffee,40years going on like this has there been any success and progress for Zim seeing the aftereffects which is political hardship,unemployment, record inflation and corruption levels that even when diamonds were added to the mineral wealth of Zim the same diamonds no one seems to know were they are going and they failed to help stabilise the economy, our neighbours Botswana must be shocked and laughing at us, with all the mineral wealth and rich land Zim is now one of the poorest countries in the world yet we claim to be the most educated country in Africa, we are lying to ourselves, when mgabe came off his beloved post we celebrated only to find his replacement as more of the same meaning its not an individual troubling Zim people its the whole zanu bunch policy and political shallow mindedness that must be removed to end Zims dilemma and for rejuvenation to start, wasting time fighting whilst the country is sinking doesn't make sense coz at the end of the day both Shonas and Ndebeles will continue to suffer the economic decline, the only people making a killing in Zims condition is the zanu party and their connected friends and families the rest are singing the blues,Zim people cant allow this hostage crisis to continue its 40 years now getting old without any hope from zanu but fake promises and lies whilst they enjoy making our hearts sick, we need to exhibit the maturity that we have and take charge of the situation coz at the end of the day politicians are employees given a position of trust as custodians of which since they have over underperformed its time Zim people fired them there's too many able replacements.
@@ishmaeldube5733 Ndebeles comprise of the Nguni people including Xhosas, Sothos,Vendas etc and your other list we accept them we don't mind a bigger house coz from our forefathers time we see maturity in acceptance of growth and increase we are now so united its hard to separate us, you remind me when we were young some Shona friends would be offended being called Shona saying they also were Ndebeles coz of their mum and they spoke the language fluently, we were kids playing and never had the sense to think anything major out of the situation it was just humorous and childs play,but when we grew up we realised some of the elders were children with how they have failed Zim by bad leadership skills and lack of ability to govern such a beautiful country, tears in my eyes, even you Shonas wozani we know you wouldn't want to be connected with this bunch of lunatics called zanu,feel free
Will Ndlovu
You made me laugh 😂😂😂😂 . Why don’t you go back to school and learn history than to be a pathological liar. Where are you from originally be honest dude. Did Mzilikazi runaway from the Rozvi emperor ? Or was he running away from the Zulu. There is no point trying to score chip points like zanu pf. I suggest you read properly before you vomit here
@@Blain89 I dont think it was a way of destroying the Ndebele, this man surrendered and he is safe, the government was fighting people who were distabilising the independence, dissidents however had gone to war to fight for land our independence did not come with land so they had a right to be dissatisfied. However going to attack white people was a statement to the government, that its war again. Remember the Lancaster agreement said white people were to be protected and the dissidents captured foreigners and killed them, foreigners not even local whites. Kunguwe u president what would u have done? If you do that you become the enemy of the state and all enemies of the state are destroyed. Why fid the dissidents hide amongst the masses if they were men enough to break away. They are the ones that caused the killing. And they should apologize to their own people
Going to war its a waist of time and its a waist of life.
True, going to war is fighting for the elite few prosper even more.
Izitha lizodibana laso ekhaya
If you do not understand the issue of gukuraundi genocide and dissidents:
Thabo Mbeki and other ANC leaders put pressure on Mugabe for help to allow safe passage of MK soldiers to South Africa, but Mugabe refused because the ANC was sponsored by Russia the country that sponsored Zapu and Zipra. Mugabe closed down the Russian embassy in Harare in the early 1980s.
Mugabe was fed up by being bothered by ANC leaders and he resorted to arresting them. Thabo Mbeki was arrested on false charges on his way to a meeting with Mugabe, he was kept at Kami prison during Gukurahundi, many ANC cadres were accused of sponsoring dissents or of being dissidents themselves.
Many MK cdes were killed around Bulawayo by the Mugabe government, many were deported to Botswana and South Africa. The ANC was very angry at Mugabe to an extent that Mandela had to say that Mugabe didn't want him released from jail.
Kenneth Kaunda sort Mugabe's help in resolving the South African conflict, he wanted negotiations to take place between ANC and apartheid government, Mugabe had good relations with South Africa at the time but Mugabe refused to entertain such an idea.
Kenneth Kaunda had to go it alone, it became better when D W De Klerk took over on South Africa as he was willing to negotiate, he agreed to meet Kaunda for negotiations and they had a meeting in Livingston where they mapped the way forwarded, De Klerk went back and had a meeting with Mandela while he was in jail, he was transported to pretoria during the night to meet de klerk. After agreements were made and Mandela was released from jail Mugabe wanted to get involved, he traveled to South Africa but Mandela told him in face that he was not needed and he should go back, he was embarrassed and left.
Mugabe's government through Mnangagwa relayed information about on ANC cadres staying in Zimbabwe, even during the liberation struggle in Zimbabwe there were ANC cdes who were staying in the country but they never experienced bombings like what happened after Mugabe became the prime minister of Zimbabwe.
The frontline states never trusted Mugabe and Zanu, Oliver Tambo once labelled Mugabe imperialist agent.
It should be known that Mugabe's release from jail in 1974 was negotiated by the National Party of South Africa through John Vorster, this raised a lot of questions but it seems the take of Zanu leadership was already planned, even the Rhodishian special branch arranged to assassinate him at his house I'm Mozambique South Africa tipped him, he survived and they found his house deserted.
After researching the whole issue, I wonder whether Mugabe and Mnangagwa had beforehand knowledge of the imminent assassination of Joe Gqabi in 1981? It is said that Mnangagwa was responsible for intelligence and security and many of his staff (the leaders of the Zimbabwean intelligence services) were white Rhodesians who secretly worked with the Apartheid Regime...
Not a married man
One thing which Gorden got lost was basic understanding. Intergration was a good idea and be ttrained again. There was nothing wrong to understand the new training which appears despised. Basic education and understanding lacked.
good idea if done sincerely, not as a means of indoctrination which is the reason many Zipra fighters found it hard to continue under such a dark minded gvt, if the truth be told , they treated their Zipra comrades in arms like children and after they saw their embarassing programme had not worked they still continued trying to force it on the fighters which provoked resentment and hostilities and mistrust btw those that should have ended up as best friends after dislodging colonial rule together, the propaganda against Zipra is shocking and misplaced and those who accept that zanu trash have themselves to blame, Zipra was probably the best platform Zim could have used for a better outcome unlike the zanu gvt that has presided over economical and political downward spiral that is forcing even die hard shonas who used to love zanu with all their souls to flee their beloved country coz of poverty,hardships and unemployment.
Zipra had shona fighters who even were highly esteemed by J Nkomo and they also highly esteemed Father Zimbabwe (AKA) , Nkomo himself had many shona supporters but as usual zanu downplayed all that beautiful foundation for what should have been essential for greater camaraderiship in events after independence, zanu thick poisoned skulls and their politics of darkness have destroyed zimbabwe. Zanu has separated Zim people for lack of vision and understanding of how to be good leaders and all they have now is lies and excuses which cant feed the populations wallowing in poverty all over Zim.
Kkkkkk umdala uthi kwakungazwanwanwa
Yes basic understanding, they were to be trained to survive as soldiers of the state and relearn to live a normal life
You are stupid
Cela ukubuza ukuthi amadisinted ayeshayelani abantu
Babetshaya wonke umuntu oliShona kumbe osapota uhulumende ibandla le zanu pf
Bonke laba bantu abasuke empini bebengafuni ukuthi kuyenzwe into abangayifuniyo. Bonke bebengababulali
Ayetshaya abathengisi,abesidla namaShona
Uuuuum this man is confessing that there were dissidents. Who started the genocide
I doubt you understood anything. So sad
@@greenpeace7380 I didn't miss any isindebele ngiyasazi phansi naphezulu bafo maybe you lack understanding. My question is not even supporting any neither am I tribalistic. My question still remains who started firing and the reasons provided are not comprehensive enough
they got innocent people killed
impilo inzima bakithi
Lobaba naye uchaza okwentombi eshelwayo ayiiii
zashaya indiza eziyi 32 amanga kaMoyo kodwa madoda.
Usho kanjani ukuthi ngamanga ngoba wawungekho! Prove it bro.
@@fireandiceaircon1250 hawu kambe bakithi usungangitshela ukuthi inkomo izele inja ngoba kuthiwa bengingekho kusenzeka sekumele ngivume hayi ngeke ngiyakutshela straight ukuthi unamanga.
@@mhlangamlungisi5108 Cha bengingakuphikisi bafo kodwa bengithi ukhuluma iqiniso ngoba nguye owayesempini, kodwa uma etshela abantu hayi akulunganga akwenzayo.
Lies lies 😂😂the
Why does he call it iNdege
I ndege is equally correct for we have no vernacular name for that
YisiShona angithi sihlala labo
Zipra leaders knew dissidents where in operation long time as far as Murehwa
We captured their guns etc mistrust with the government was there within Zapu but that didn't give the right for the security forces to shoot civilians.Nkomo is to blame for the uprising
Shoot civilians?what of the whole truth? Young girls and wonen were raped and tortured and gave birth to shona army rape kids, innocent citizens gunned down by the zanu army in the thousands and thrown in pits and disused mines, many were forced into houses and then set alight, pregnant women were bayoneted and foetuses rippes out were those normal people? Why are shonas so tribalistic and why commit genocide when you should have sought out the 100 or so disgruntled former fighters coz of their said grievances against the zanu leadership who were mistreating them in integration and forcing them out of the army?
Shonas are so greedy and selfish, after combining forces with Ndebele army and fighting off colonial abuse and winning, when it was now time to share in the independence they quickly turned on Ndebeles, how pathetic, to date they are failing to run the country coz of gross mortgage incompetence and gross mismanaged, zapu properties were forcefully taken away and stripped of all value and to date the shonas are refusing to return them, how greedy are these people?
You here shonas saying Ndebeles must return to SA yet they themselves have flooded SA in 100s of thousands running away from their leadership they voted into power uthi ababhedi pho? They must stay in that country and enjoy, these days they've turned on each other and they are killing each other esishoneni banjani abantu laba?
What is this story we're hearing from some shona people that mgabe hates Ndebeles coz his dad was killed after being caught committing adultery with a Ndebele man's wife, is that any reason people should die, sasikhona thina lapho, why didn't he get his own wife?
@@Blain89 Hey bro im Shona on my moms side and Moza from fathers side born and raised in Mutare. I have no issues with Ndebele or any group of people, my reason for writing this is to find/figure out if you'd have an issue with me based on my ancestry. I ask sincerely as im trying to understand whether us the people of Zimbabwe (Ndebele, Shona especially) just purely hate each other or its a case of the poison of politics. And vele i hope to be able to kuluma one day
@@johnkup7796 pho ubekwa yini endabeni ezingaqondananga nawe we mjida,bheke zakho uzihluphelani
Luhlelo lwamaNdebele lolu wethu khuza izkim zakho ngoba sesibona thutshu begxamukela endabeni zethu bengamenywanga ,ziningi inhlelo ezingezabo kodwa samane sathola olwethu olulodwa sebevela okhandakhulu ingani baloyiwe
Musani ukusminya bopasi
Why do you take sides ask olso shona people like me we tell you how it started you're lying
Mashona lile ZBC will tell your fake war stories like Mujuru shot a plane
Wena Roby hamba ufuna la. This platform is not for people like you.
They only want what is best for them yet they come from KZN
@@catherinematava5318 sende likayihlo wena didi
@@benedictlubi7620 ungazosijwayela kabi wena mntwanesifebe
Vele yiko owayeli dissident akula ndebele elako moyo li shona yi dothi lokhu
If you do not understand the issue of gukuraundi genocide and dissidents:
Thabo Mbeki and other ANC leaders put pressure on Mugabe for help to allow safe passage of MK soldiers to South Africa, but Mugabe refused because the ANC was sponsored by Russia the country that sponsored Zapu and Zipra. Mugabe closed down the Russian embassy in Harare in the early 1980s.
Mugabe was fed up by being bothered by ANC leaders and he resorted to arresting them. Thabo Mbeki was arrested on false charges on his way to a meeting with Mugabe, he was kept at Kami prison during Gukurahundi, many ANC cadres were accused of sponsoring dissents or of being dissidents themselves.
Many MK cdes were killed around Bulawayo by the Mugabe government, many were deported to Botswana and South Africa. The ANC was very angry at Mugabe to an extent that Mandela had to say that Mugabe didn't want him released from jail.
Kenneth Kaunda sort Mugabe's help in resolving the South African conflict, he wanted negotiations to take place between ANC and apartheid government, Mugabe had good relations with South Africa at the time but Mugabe refused to entertain such an idea.
Kenneth Kaunda had to go it alone, it became better when D W De Klerk took over on South Africa as he was willing to negotiate, he agreed to meet Kaunda for negotiations and they had a meeting in Livingston where they mapped the way forwarded, De Klerk went back and had a meeting with Mandela while he was in jail, he was transported to pretoria during the night to meet de klerk. After agreements were made and Mandela was released from jail Mugabe wanted to get involved, he traveled to South Africa but Mandela told him in face that he was not needed and he should go back, he was embarrassed and left.
Mugabe's government through Mnangagwa relayed information about on ANC cadres staying in Zimbabwe, even during the liberation struggle in Zimbabwe there were ANC cdes who were staying in the country but they never experienced bombings like what happened after Mugabe became the prime minister of Zimbabwe.
The frontline states never trusted Mugabe and Zanu, Oliver Tambo once labelled Mugabe imperialist agent.
It should be known that Mugabe's release from jail in 1974 was negotiated by the National Party of South Africa through John Vorster, this raised a lot of questions but it seems the take of Zanu leadership was already planned, even the Rhodishian special branch arranged to assassinate him at his house I'm Mozambique South Africa tipped him, he survived and they found his house deserted.