Why Working With Numbers and People Is Loving (Andrew Heard)

Numbers! Is it really unloving to count and measure ministry? Andrew Heard has a new book out challenging us to think about how we should think about Growth and Change. Here is the second of four conversations about some of the things that didn't make it to the book.
⁠⁠Growth and Change⁠⁠ is available from Matthias Media.

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