Finally - a tuner that knows what they're talking about! GREAT info regarding the DAM dropping in these new cars. Totally different compared to EJ cars. Wish people would get that through their heads!
It's not that different than EJ's really, the system works really well in them as well if you use it correctly. Unfortunately, early on many tuners didn't understand this so it became the norm to say it was bad.
In this video really the most important feature is people saying that the charge pipe picks up a ton of power but as you can see it really doesn't. I'd venture to guess the factory one is actually better because it's not going to transfer heat. I think ETS is sending us one to test on our car so I'll do it on the dyno back-to-back comparison. Have a bunch of Perrin parts coming too
The discussion on DAM was great. I was essentially told the same by my tuner regarding the old EJs as far as what it is and is not, in that it's the car learning and protecting itself as it was designed.
I made 352whp 358wtq, with the ets intake and cobb top mount, stock exhuast and jpipe.. tuned on Dyno with Anthony at Felix's... it's a good recipe for a little extra power it's perfect for a daily.
Yeah every dyno is different. Definately more hp than ive seen with those mods but tq is normal. Most ive seen hp wise on stock j pipe is 332 on my dyno on the 92oct we get here.
Pretty good, i got my car protune cobb stage 2 package and its making 300whp and 280wtq he recommends getting jpipe and catback to get better airflow on the exhaust for more whp. Btw my car is tuned by all aspects motorsports
Thank you! I know a famous UA-cam tuner that does relax the knock sensitivity settings and he tends to blow up so many cars for other UA-camrs. Now I have to worry about a special UA-camr building an amazing 6 cylinder sti that’s about to be tuned that it also doesn’t blow up again 😢
I did the math on all of the current available intercoolers on the market and put it into an excel spreadsheet. The Perrin TMIC is hands down the best bang for the buck, and from an engineering perspective, seems to have the best design as well. Strangely, the Perrin also leads the FMIC bracket on cost per cubic inch of intercooler. based off of what I have investigated so far, I feel like an ETS or RAE intake with a Perrin TMIC is the most efficient and effective modifications to purchase.
I'm actually about to test a few Perrin products on our 2023. Historically I haven't been the biggest fan of their stuff for a variety of reasons so we'll see.
Funny you say that. I just got the Perrin TMIC in last night with Perrin charge pipe. Already have ETS intake with DMann OTS. Gonna throw in Radium dual catch can kit as well. E-tune this weekend and CANNOT WAIT to see the gains. To say the least this comment boosted my moral immensely based off my purchase decisions😂
@@WT4T I am actually on the same page with you about Perrin parts. Just about the only thing I found myself liking was their license plate bracket. My data is purely a metric of cubic inches vs price, but that being said, when you see their TMIC, you will know why I believe it will be the best performer of the TMIC options available today. They redid the inlet area to bypass the OEM fitting making for a more direct and less restrictive intercooler interface. I still wouldn't get much else from them, but I am 100% convinced you will be sold on their TMIC when you run it. Looking forward to that video.
@@WT4T I disagree, I think most people with an FMIC have ZERO use for one. They are not tuned for enough power and do not drive hard enough to actually justify the part over others. there is only a small percent of modified cars hitting tracks, they have justification. People who drive like tickets are rewards and live in hot climates may have some justification...anyone else is wasting their money...well, not wasting, there is a performance increase for an FMIC over TMIC like you said...but it is a scale of diminishing returns when you factor comparative cost to performance metrics, and the vast majority of FMIC owners would have been better off saving half that investment and putting into other things. In the reality of how these cars are being used, the primary driving factor for an FMIC is ego, not performance. A want...not a need.
My dam will stay at 1 and then once it drops below once the knocks start coming. Is there any chance it mistakenly drops, and then starts creating knocks because it’s pulling timing? It’ll be fine 90% of the time but all it takes is that one time on the highway I’ll give it gas to pas ina high gear and it’s all downhill from there. Also I feel like I can barely cruise in 6th gear 85+ even without it starting to knock. I usually just stay in 5th and I have no issues.
I agree that DAM drops are not the end of the world. However, the sensors are FAR too sensitive and on the stock and OTS tunes it pulls way too much timing. With some sensitivity tuning, you can minimize ghost knock.
Wow....your ots tune is awfully close to the custom tune in terms of power and torque. Whats the benefit in going custom? Smoother curves? Safer? Slightly more area under the curve (even though peak tq dropped)?
@@WT4T on their website it shows that with 93 octane on their stage 2 package at 5,500 rpm you can reach 327 HP. But I’m assuming that’s crank. When you did your test and got 273 max power with the Cobb tune is that WHP on 93 Octane with the stage 2 tune?
I'll be quickly expanding this selection of OTS maps. www.preracing.com/products/preracing-ots-stage-1-tune-fits-2022-2023-subaru-wrx?_pos=1&_sid=912d09324&_ss=r For etuning contact info@preracing.com
FFS is shifting without lifting your foot off the accelerator pedal in order to keep the turbo from dropping out of boost. Some vehicles have the ability to activate a secondary rev limiter and reduce timing while you're doing this to reduce stress on the drivetrain.
I should had been more specific on my comment. I mean when companies sell different stage packages. Not your tuning stages. Tuning stages makes a lot more sense when you're offering OTS tunes based off of mods. Those are specific to what you're tuning for. But companies selling stage packages is specific to them and not universal to everyone.
Finally - a tuner that knows what they're talking about! GREAT info regarding the DAM dropping in these new cars. Totally different compared to EJ cars. Wish people would get that through their heads!
It's not that different than EJ's really, the system works really well in them as well if you use it correctly. Unfortunately, early on many tuners didn't understand this so it became the norm to say it was bad.
Really appreciate these videos! There are so many unverified repeated statements in any car community, thanks for showing some facts!
In this video really the most important feature is people saying that the charge pipe picks up a ton of power but as you can see it really doesn't. I'd venture to guess the factory one is actually better because it's not going to transfer heat. I think ETS is sending us one to test on our car so I'll do it on the dyno back-to-back comparison. Have a bunch of Perrin parts coming too
@@WT4T Im in a VA wrx, but will still tune in for all your VB testing!
I did some similar testing when the VA's came out but I didn't have the channel going
The discussion on DAM was great. I was essentially told the same by my tuner regarding the old EJs as far as what it is and is not, in that it's the car learning and protecting itself as it was designed.
These are some great videos! Love the comparison data pulled up!
I have another intake to do on our car then it's onto jpipe and header then going crazy
I made 352whp 358wtq, with the ets intake and cobb top mount, stock exhuast and jpipe.. tuned on Dyno with Anthony at Felix's... it's a good recipe for a little extra power it's perfect for a daily.
Yeah every dyno is different. Definately more hp than ive seen with those mods but tq is normal. Most ive seen hp wise on stock j pipe is 332 on my dyno on the 92oct we get here.
Pretty good, i got my car protune cobb stage 2 package and its making 300whp and 280wtq he recommends getting jpipe and catback to get better airflow on the exhaust for more whp. Btw my car is tuned by all aspects motorsports
That torque number is very low, cvt car?
@WT4T ops sorry i meant 380wtq 😅
Yeah, that's better. 280 might make sense on cvt trying to keep the trans happy but on a MT that would be hard to keep it that low.
Love the info have a 21 wrx base installed a rear 3rd brake light, IAG AoS, next some badges about 46k miles
Not a lot is similar between the 21 and the 22. Kind of shocking the difference honestly.
Great info! Wow, that torque is very nice.
And that's holding back considerably on torque
Thank you! I know a famous UA-cam tuner that does relax the knock sensitivity settings and he tends to blow up so many cars for other UA-camrs. Now I have to worry about a special UA-camr building an amazing 6 cylinder sti that’s about to be tuned that it also doesn’t blow up again 😢
Blowing things up is the secret recipe to a lucrative UA-cam following, well, that and running from the cops.
I did the math on all of the current available intercoolers on the market and put it into an excel spreadsheet. The Perrin TMIC is hands down the best bang for the buck, and from an engineering perspective, seems to have the best design as well. Strangely, the Perrin also leads the FMIC bracket on cost per cubic inch of intercooler. based off of what I have investigated so far, I feel like an ETS or RAE intake with a Perrin TMIC is the most efficient and effective modifications to purchase.
I'm actually about to test a few Perrin products on our 2023. Historically I haven't been the biggest fan of their stuff for a variety of reasons so we'll see.
Funny you say that. I just got the Perrin TMIC in last night with Perrin charge pipe. Already have ETS intake with DMann OTS. Gonna throw in Radium dual catch can kit as well. E-tune this weekend and CANNOT WAIT to see the gains. To say the least this comment boosted my moral immensely based off my purchase decisions😂
@@WT4T I am actually on the same page with you about Perrin parts. Just about the only thing I found myself liking was their license plate bracket. My data is purely a metric of cubic inches vs price, but that being said, when you see their TMIC, you will know why I believe it will be the best performer of the TMIC options available today. They redid the inlet area to bypass the OEM fitting making for a more direct and less restrictive intercooler interface. I still wouldn't get much else from them, but I am 100% convinced you will be sold on their TMIC when you run it. Looking forward to that video.
Im not sold on any tmic. Literally zero reason to run one on these cars. Fmic will be far superior in every way. 🤷♂️
@@WT4T I disagree, I think most people with an FMIC have ZERO use for one. They are not tuned for enough power and do not drive hard enough to actually justify the part over others. there is only a small percent of modified cars hitting tracks, they have justification. People who drive like tickets are rewards and live in hot climates may have some justification...anyone else is wasting their money...well, not wasting, there is a performance increase for an FMIC over TMIC like you said...but it is a scale of diminishing returns when you factor comparative cost to performance metrics, and the vast majority of FMIC owners would have been better off saving half that investment and putting into other things. In the reality of how these cars are being used, the primary driving factor for an FMIC is ego, not performance. A want...not a need.
Great work and info! On your next vb vidio could you compare the cobb and ets car graphs.
Actually, I'm working on a blog post and I certainly can do it there
@@WT4Tgreat where will that be posted?
It'll be on www.PREracing.com
Hi what front lip splitter is on this WRX?
That's a great question, sadly I have no idea
@@WT4T Lol no worries thanks for getting back to me I appreciate it, also awesome video.
I'll see if I can get a hold of the customer and find out
@@WT4T Awesome thanks a lot I really appreciate it.
These cars make crazy power
So far we've made just shy of 500whp on a stock engine. I know some others have made more. It'll be interesting to see how long they last.
@@WT4T I’m no expert but I was reading somewhere that the FA24 is a beefed up FA20 so if it can hold 400+ whp reliably I’d say that’s pretty good
Considering fa20 love to go floppy rod at sub 300 it's been a little nervous pushing these deep into the 400's but time will tell.
My dam will stay at 1 and then once it drops below once the knocks start coming. Is there any chance it mistakenly drops, and then starts creating knocks because it’s pulling timing? It’ll be fine 90% of the time but all it takes is that one time on the highway I’ll give it gas to pas ina high gear and it’s all downhill from there. Also I feel like I can barely cruise in 6th gear 85+ even without it starting to knock. I usually just stay in 5th and I have no issues.
What year/model and what tune?
@@WT4T 2016 wrx base manual , maperformance stage 1 93 octane
Feel free to send a datalog and mod list to willtunefortacos@gmail.com apart from data there's too many variables
Thank you
I agree that DAM drops are not the end of the world. However, the sensors are FAR too sensitive and on the stock and OTS tunes it pulls way too much timing. With some sensitivity tuning, you can minimize ghost knock.
Absolutely, I didn't say not to modify sensativity, just be careful that the reason your the doesn't see knock is because its eyes are closed.
Can you compare the ETS intake vs the Cobb intake??
Sure, send one over!
Wow....your ots tune is awfully close to the custom tune in terms of power and torque. Whats the benefit in going custom? Smoother curves? Safer? Slightly more area under the curve (even though peak tq dropped)?
Every car is different and with different parts you will likely want a full custom tune.
How does the Cobb stage two intake pipe compare to the ETS intake or similar inho ?
The ets is still a bit better but considering the cobb is keeping the charcoal filter its no surprise
I dont understand this video does cobb make 327 hp max they claim or not
There is a very large difference between wheel and crank horsepower. I'm not sure where they advertise 327hp but I'm guessing that's crank.
@@WT4T on their website it shows that with 93 octane on their stage 2 package at 5,500 rpm you can reach 327 HP. But I’m assuming that’s crank.
When you did your test and got 273 max power with the Cobb tune is that WHP on 93 Octane with the stage 2 tune?
So this engine like torque unlike the former FA engine?
They are torque monsters but torque does break things, axles, clutch, Trans, diff, I try and keep them below 380ftlb unless by request.
Where do I go to get a E-tune from you?
I'll be quickly expanding this selection of OTS maps. www.preracing.com/products/preracing-ots-stage-1-tune-fits-2022-2023-subaru-wrx?_pos=1&_sid=912d09324&_ss=r
For etuning contact info@preracing.com
whats flat foot shifting?
FFS is shifting without lifting your foot off the accelerator pedal in order to keep the turbo from dropping out of boost. Some vehicles have the ability to activate a secondary rev limiter and reduce timing while you're doing this to reduce stress on the drivetrain.
@@WT4T thank you! Thats good to know
Is this 93 pump gas?
We only have 92 here
Your tuning style seems reasonable to me. Now how do we solve the issue of you being 3/4 of the way across the country from me?😒
We offer OTS tunes and custom etunes for these cars. Contact us at willtunefortacos@gmail.com for more info
Did you end up going with their tune? If so how do you Ike it?
@ninjafang2 Hopefully they chime in. I have no way to cross reference people's youtube names with tune orders.
Hi there,
I want to talk to you about your UA-cam channel..
Yes?
I always dislike hearing stage 1, stage 2, and so forth. Meanlingless gibberish.
Just categorizing modification groups. I make them more inclusive than most.
Are you a tuner? No. So what do you know…
I'm a tuner 🤷♂️
@@WT4T I was referring to that guy, lol. You’ll probably be my tuner when I mod my 23 wrx. 🫡
I should had been more specific on my comment. I mean when companies sell different stage packages. Not your tuning stages. Tuning stages makes a lot more sense when you're offering OTS tunes based off of mods. Those are specific to what you're tuning for. But companies selling stage packages is specific to them and not universal to everyone.