have watched this review a few times. just love seeing the different cars. recently bought a used B64 to get into the Hobby to see if i'd actually like it and would race competitively. have been racing at the track for about 2 months, as im a noob and was sceptical about the B64 's durablity. i have cartwheeled that B64 30Meters far countless times. crashed into a lamp post almost flat out. i have only broken an already bent shocktower and bent a shock shaft. i am very surprised and quite impressed with the durability. was thinking og getting a brand new kit in the new year. super Excited of what Xray is doing with their part video series of launching the new XB4 21. cant wait to see that buggy. hopefully you'll get one and review it.. maybe compare it with the new B74.1 thats coming out now. My friend who i bought the B64 from is seriously regretting buying the B74. says that the car has a lot of issues especially when changing the stock setup.. dropping the height of the rear diff..but then touching the chassis. removing the 2 chassis screws when wanting to add a bit more flex in the standard setup stripping spur's because of it touching the chassis when hard cornering. hope they have fixed some of these issues with the new 74.1 of what i have heard is that the B74 drives a bit easier on high traction surfaces but that they all think that the B64 was a better car with less hassles and nonsense. i would take his word for it as he has been racing for about 10 years and has won 2 wheel and 4 wheel national titles here in South africa.
Always enjoy your 'shootouts', thorough and honest reviews (although I dont always agree with you, lol). I would like to see you outfit them all with the same electronics though, and then run them at the track and compare lap times (in addition to the pros and cons) - that to me is a true 'shootout'! Thanks for all the hard work you put into these 👍
Thanks for posting these videos! They've helped me narrow down what vehicles I will pick up. I currently run a B6.2d and T6.1 but am looking to add a 4wd 1/10 buggy to the stable. The TLR may be the one! Thanks again for the informative vids...keep up the good work!
What pinion gears should I get for the TLR 22x-4 as a starting point? As a. starting point. I would start with the 78t spur gear and I purchased a 13.5T motor and I am not much experience driver. I am based in the UK where temps are not very high and plan to start practicing on shorter tracks. If anyone could give some advice that would be great.
Damn I have been waiting for this video since forever haha. Haven't even watched it yet and already comenting. Wish I could have seen the xray xb4 in this video too though
I would think TLR, AE, Tekno, and XRay would be the 4 to talk about if it were a video about dirt... I haven't raced 4mod buggy, but the B64/74, Tekno, and Xray seemed to be the most common here last summer...
@@RazorRC why do you want air at all? It seems like any air would make the damping unpredictable. With bladder shocks you can remove the air completely.
I wish you had a chance to compare Tekno and/or X-Ray in this mix and see how they stack up. I'd like to pick up a 4WD buggy but because of my local track, I refuse to get another TRL product. I drive Associated 2WD but like to try out other brands.
I've driven the EB410.2 and it''s not bad, but overall I don't like the electronics layout very much and the forward weighted design on high-traction (carpet).
Why did you leave the b74 battery cables so long? I need to soldier this weekend and was going to cut mine in half. Should I leave them full length? I'm real new but I'm almost done!
Dang i want to get back into the hobby. Suprised to see the AE get 3rd place and losi get first. Driving both back in the day, im not suprised to find out how good the 22-4 was out of the box. Losi was always way more competetive out of the box than AE ever was. I dont know about within the last 10 years but Associated always took more work to get dialed out of the box compared to losi for sure
Have you ever considered picking up any X-Ray vehicles? I’m an AE guy, but have contemplated picking up either their 2wd or 4wd buggy when their ‘21 models come out this fall/winter.
rycam418418 what I’ve been told is that they usually don’t come out with a completely new model but once every two-three years. Typically you can just buy the updated parts and install them on the previous model. I think that was the case with the ‘18-‘19 models, but then in ‘20 they made major redesign changes which ended that possibility.
Ball differentials are actually the more modern stuff. The xx4 didn't have adjustable diff height but it was definitely way ahead of the competition for ove 2 decades.. ball differentials are more modern the gear diffs. Rc cars have gotten alot better, why got back to gear differentials and carpet tracks?
Why would you want a slipper on carpet? Classic layout on the AE buggy? Don’t you mean copied like everyone else? Durability is typically dependent on how much you crash. The less you crash the more durable it is.
This i have been waiting for you to do :) So which one did u sell ? I'm only familiar with the Schumacher and AE in this video. I use an Serpent SDX4 myself, but i really want an Yokomo YZ-4SF2
There are sooo many rip off version of the Original shaft drive transmission layout that restarted the buzz on Shaft when everyone was opting for Belt drive cars. The original to this design was non other than the English company called Tenth Technology. The car was called "Predator" and it was headed by the owner and designer (Richard Weatherly) who brought it along for the 1st time for some folks to see at the IFMAR Worlds 93 Basildon UK, for some of us who got to see it in the flesh for the very first time thought the design was radical to say the least but that's another conversation. Given the success of the transmission design of the Predator, it was inevitable to catch on with someone else's design. Along comes Team Durango in 2006 where they came out with their own unique design but pretty much copied the tranny design off the Predator... Then along came Team AE that looked similar than the previous two aforementioned cars. The rest as they say, is history. I think the latch onto the shaft design was coupled with the fact that the Battery (Nimh - LiPo) & Motor/ ESC Tech (BL) had made issues of race speeds beyond the 5 minute (Endurance) a thing of the past. Where milliseconds of kilojoules weren't so critical anymore. There is however, no denying - belt transmission is the most efficient transmission system. 4 Wheel buggies started with Tamiya which were Shaft driven, followed by Kyosho with chain drive and the car to really kick start fast racing was none other than Schumacher belt driven chassis CAT (Car All Terrain). The 80's I would say was a revolutionary era, so many cars using 3 different transmission systems (Shaft, Chain, Belt) and FYI, even Team AE had a 4wd Chain drive car of their own, thanks to Mr MIP who designed and manufactured the parts for the conversion on the gold tub chassis + rear mounted motor I might add. It would be awesome if another company were to incorporate the belt transmission again just so help juice up the interest again, far too many cars look alike, seems boring in a sense.
What constitutes as a truggy? I feel you can make almost any RC car into a truggy/buggy. Lower the suspension and add some specific truggy/buggy wheels done. I've got a cheap jlb cheetah and with it lowered and wheels added it's a completely different RC car. So do I own a truggy probably not in someones eyes but is it truggyfied YES!
@@RazorRC Across the board of rc cars this is the only thing you personally noticed or factual at least? If that's the case why spend so much on a dedicated so called buggy/truggy cars. Or is it purely race standard you must buy these vehicles?
@@mehimrc1314 these are all dedicated race buggies. there are specific rules (ROAR) that govern the length, width, wheelbase, etc. that the cars have to meet.
@@RazorRC I see,I see. I'm not Spanish just saying. So entering races ect you'd have to meet track condition such as motor sport ect. Could it be said though if your not a racer most if not all rc cars can be made to handle ish like these buggies. After all 1/14 1/12 1/10 is just a scale not in my opinion anything to do with the cars overall ability.
@@mehimrc1314 Yeah but most races are set for 1/10th and 1/8th scale cars. In the south we have pan handle cars and oval races where the scale is anywhere between 1/10th and 1/5th scale. You can clearly see why most main RC racing is in the 1/10th and larger as the bigger scale allows for more beefier parts and such ( I didn't want to say innovative as if you told them it was 1/16th I'm sure the engineers will come up with a good idea). If you really want to know about RC racing history watch this video ua-cam.com/video/WVlPqJ6XY7M/v-deo.html And watch this to see how the morden scene is like today in the USA ua-cam.com/video/rex2S_kQpiU/v-deo.html Or in Europe ua-cam.com/video/imoqEbsC6ds/v-deo.html Most of these are on out door dirt tracks.
track shutdown due to COVID, not sure when it was going to open again, so not enough time to test one thoroughly. I had a .1 that was sold and converted into a .2 and got to drive it, but never owned a .2
The Associated is a #1 for me you put a belt drive ahead of it? sad. You even said it yourself you don't have that much drive time on the Associated. Sad very sad
have watched this review a few times. just love seeing the different cars. recently bought a used B64 to get into the Hobby to see if i'd actually like it and would race competitively. have been racing at the track for about 2 months, as im a noob and was sceptical about the B64 's durablity. i have cartwheeled that B64 30Meters far countless times. crashed into a lamp post almost flat out. i have only broken an already bent shocktower and bent a shock shaft. i am very surprised and quite impressed with the durability. was thinking og getting a brand new kit in the new year. super Excited of what Xray is doing with their part video series of launching the new XB4 21. cant wait to see that buggy. hopefully you'll get one and review it.. maybe compare it with the new B74.1 thats coming out now. My friend who i bought the B64 from is seriously regretting buying the B74. says that the car has a lot of issues especially when changing the stock setup.. dropping the height of the rear diff..but then touching the chassis. removing the 2 chassis screws when wanting to add a bit more flex in the standard setup stripping spur's because of it touching the chassis when hard cornering. hope they have fixed some of these issues with the new 74.1 of what i have heard is that the B74 drives a bit easier on high traction surfaces but that they all think that the B64 was a better car with less hassles and nonsense. i would take his word for it as he has been racing for about 10 years and has won 2 wheel and 4 wheel national titles here in South africa.
Always enjoy your 'shootouts', thorough and honest reviews (although I dont always agree with you, lol). I would like to see you outfit them all with the same electronics though, and then run them at the track and compare lap times (in addition to the pros and cons) - that to me is a true 'shootout'! Thanks for all the hard work you put into these 👍
Good video. Curious where the yokomo yz4sf fits in here. Best wheeler I’ve ever had. The new one is coming (hopefully shipping next week)
I love all my yokomos. I agree. Best chassis I've ever tried
I had the yr4 touring car, it was fire. All carbon fiber and the highest quality aluminum alloys plus that belt drive.
Thanks for posting these videos! They've helped me narrow down what vehicles I will pick up. I currently run a B6.2d and T6.1 but am looking to add a 4wd 1/10 buggy to the stable. The TLR may be the one! Thanks again for the informative vids...keep up the good work!
Updated 2WD round up next?
Wonder how the new B74.1D does against the mighty 22-X4
Do you think the 74.1 improvements would bump the associated car up the pecking order in your opinion?
Will you get the team Corally 4wd buggy 1/10 to test at some point or no just curious because I see it all the time as an ad
What pinion gears should I get for the TLR 22x-4 as a starting point? As a. starting point. I would start with the 78t spur gear and I purchased a 13.5T motor and I am not much experience driver. I am based in the UK where temps are not very high and plan to start practicing on shorter tracks.
If anyone could give some advice that would be great.
Damn I have been waiting for this video since forever haha. Haven't even watched it yet and already comenting. Wish I could have seen the xray xb4 in this video too though
me too!
I would think TLR, AE, Tekno, and XRay would be the 4 to talk about if it were a video about dirt... I haven't raced 4mod buggy, but the B64/74, Tekno, and Xray seemed to be the most common here last summer...
Kyosho optima se mid was my last belt drive
What are the advantages of emulsion style shocks over ones with bladders?
Do RC you can tune the air:oil ratio more easily. They also leak less IMO.
@@RazorRC why do you want air at all? It seems like any air would make the damping unpredictable. With bladder shocks you can remove the air completely.
I wish you had a chance to compare Tekno and/or X-Ray in this mix and see how they stack up. I'd like to pick up a 4WD buggy but because of my local track, I refuse to get another TRL product.
I drive Associated 2WD but like to try out other brands.
I've driven the EB410.2 and it''s not bad, but overall I don't like the electronics layout very much and the forward weighted design on high-traction (carpet).
Great videos! Would you be able to do a 2wd buggy shootout?
which is best for on- road / light off road fun?
can u tell me which of the following is easier to drive?
Schumacher best ride IMO, belt drive with the flex chassis best for carpet/Astro
Why did you leave the b74 battery cables so long? I need to soldier this weekend and was going to cut mine in half. Should I leave them full length? I'm real new but I'm almost done!
I switch electronics out a lot to other cars, so I keep them longer to make life easier if I need a longer cable for another car.
Dang i want to get back into the hobby. Suprised to see the AE get 3rd place and losi get first. Driving both back in the day, im not suprised to find out how good the 22-4 was out of the box. Losi was always way more competetive out of the box than AE ever was. I dont know about within the last 10 years but Associated always took more work to get dialed out of the box compared to losi for sure
Have you ever considered picking up any X-Ray vehicles? I’m an AE guy, but have contemplated picking up either their 2wd or 4wd buggy when their ‘21 models come out this fall/winter.
strongly considering the '21. we'll see.
I run yokomo but considering X-ray. A bit annoying a new model comes out every year though
rycam418418 what I’ve been told is that they usually don’t come out with a completely new model but once every two-three years. Typically you can just buy the updated parts and install them on the previous model. I think that was the case with the ‘18-‘19 models, but then in ‘20 they made major redesign changes which ended that possibility.
Ball differentials are actually the more modern stuff. The xx4 didn't have adjustable diff height but it was definitely way ahead of the competition for ove 2 decades.. ball differentials are more modern the gear diffs. Rc cars have gotten alot better, why got back to gear differentials and carpet tracks?
Why would you want a slipper on carpet?
Classic layout on the AE buggy? Don’t you mean copied like everyone else?
Durability is typically dependent on how much you crash. The less you crash the more durable it is.
This i have been waiting for you to do :)
So which one did u sell ?
I'm only familiar with the Schumacher and AE in this video.
I use an Serpent SDX4 myself, but i really want an Yokomo YZ-4SF2
I've sold the D418 and B74
Can u do a shootout for 2wd?
maybe
What are you think about the Corally SBX 410?
I don't know anything about the buggy, they're a very small brand in the U.S.
@@RazorRC OK. Thx
Love your vids keep it up😀
no yokomo ?
No Yokomo, no Kyosho, no SWorkz, no Intech (former Durango?)
Still a nice shootout :)
maybe someday
Great buggies,cool video
There are sooo many rip off version of the Original shaft drive transmission layout that restarted the buzz on Shaft when everyone was opting for Belt drive cars. The original to this design was non other than the English company called Tenth Technology. The car was called "Predator" and it was headed by the owner and designer (Richard Weatherly) who brought it along for the 1st time for some folks to see at the IFMAR Worlds 93 Basildon UK, for some of us who got to see it in the flesh for the very first time thought the design was radical to say the least but that's another conversation. Given the success of the transmission design of the Predator, it was inevitable to catch on with someone else's design. Along comes Team Durango in 2006 where they came out with their own unique design but pretty much copied the tranny design off the Predator... Then along came Team AE that looked similar than the previous two aforementioned cars. The rest as they say, is history. I think the latch onto the shaft design was coupled with the fact that the Battery (Nimh - LiPo) & Motor/ ESC Tech (BL) had made issues of race speeds beyond the 5 minute (Endurance) a thing of the past. Where milliseconds of kilojoules weren't so critical anymore. There is however, no denying - belt transmission is the most efficient transmission system. 4 Wheel buggies started with Tamiya which were Shaft driven, followed by Kyosho with chain drive and the car to really kick start fast racing was none other than Schumacher belt driven chassis CAT (Car All Terrain). The 80's I would say was a revolutionary era, so many cars using 3 different transmission systems (Shaft, Chain, Belt) and FYI, even Team AE had a 4wd Chain drive car of their own, thanks to Mr MIP who designed and manufactured the parts for the conversion on the gold tub chassis + rear mounted motor I might add. It would be awesome if another company were to incorporate the belt transmission again just so help juice up the interest again, far too many cars look alike, seems boring in a sense.
What constitutes as a truggy? I feel you can make almost any RC car into a truggy/buggy. Lower the suspension and add some specific truggy/buggy wheels done. I've got a cheap jlb cheetah and with it lowered and wheels added it's a completely different RC car. So do I own a truggy probably not in someones eyes but is it truggyfied YES!
Truggies have longer arms, and truck tires, that's pretty much it for 1/10.
@@RazorRC Across the board of rc cars this is the only thing you personally noticed or factual at least? If that's the case why spend so much on a dedicated so called buggy/truggy cars. Or is it purely race standard you must buy these vehicles?
@@mehimrc1314 these are all dedicated race buggies. there are specific rules (ROAR) that govern the length, width, wheelbase, etc. that the cars have to meet.
@@RazorRC I see,I see. I'm not Spanish just saying. So entering races ect you'd have to meet track condition such as motor sport ect. Could it be said though if your not a racer most if not all rc cars can be made to handle ish like these buggies. After all 1/14 1/12 1/10 is just a scale not in my opinion anything to do with the cars overall ability.
@@mehimrc1314 Yeah but most races are set for 1/10th and 1/8th scale cars. In the south we have pan handle cars and oval races where the scale is anywhere between 1/10th and 1/5th scale.
You can clearly see why most main RC racing is in the 1/10th and larger as the bigger scale allows for more beefier parts and such ( I didn't want to say innovative as if you told them it was 1/16th I'm sure the engineers will come up with a good idea).
If you really want to know about RC racing history watch this video
ua-cam.com/video/WVlPqJ6XY7M/v-deo.html
And watch this to see how the morden scene is like today in the USA
ua-cam.com/video/rex2S_kQpiU/v-deo.html
Or in Europe
ua-cam.com/video/imoqEbsC6ds/v-deo.html
Most of these are on out door dirt tracks.
No tekno?!?
Why no Tekno eb410.2?
track shutdown due to COVID, not sure when it was going to open again, so not enough time to test one thoroughly. I had a .1 that was sold and converted into a .2 and got to drive it, but never owned a .2
I dont have to watch any videos to know that I want(need) the L1 in my life...
The sworkz is still a better more reliable and adjustable kit then any of these. Only shitty part on the sworkz is parts availableity
Don’t see a tekno 410.2
Yup!!! My favorite. But I've only driven. Associated b6.1 & .2d ..LTR..and tekno the eb410.2
Das beste Auto hast du vergessen. Der beste Buggy ist der Xb4 von xray
The Associated is a #1 for me you put a belt drive ahead of it? sad. You even said it yourself you don't have that much drive time on the Associated. Sad very sad