Infinite Incursions - Which Server Is The Best? | Tracking wins & losses in Star Trek Fleet Command
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- Опубліковано 13 лип 2024
- Before @everyone gets all worked up, YES, I understand Infinite Incursions is not liked by the entire playerbase AND there are glaring flaws. (Like how a singular player can throw the match for an entire server). that said, with well over 100 servers in the game and hundreds of thousands of players it's interesting to see which ones are doing the best. Who has the most wins? who is the best in 2024? Let's take a look!
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2. Going over the servers with the best records since Incursions started vs 2024 records
3. Discussing some of the pitfalls to incursions
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I think the best way to help incursions is to include a lot more activities in the scoring metric and dramatically increase rewards for participating. I think having other events count towards the server score would be smart. Also could make things like PVE kills counts for something, make PVP kills count for a lot more than they do, heck, even put in points for mining. This would all help less the effect of 1 big raid deciding the whole thing as it often does. The rewards are still very small relative to the amount of preparation and time and effort it takes to win. We should be seeing 10-20x what we currently get for it to be worth it for more people to want to join in and even enjoy the event. I enjoy incursions pretty well, but I also have a lot more power than the average player. Giving a way to punch up on scoring like the war room could help as well.
Thank you for calling out those individuals that throw the match for everyone ...we have one guy on 93 called Krill at level 65 that will give the other side 7T in score whenever we get in the lead. Something MUST be done about these people or incursions is dead. The server should be able to vote to ban people from the incursion or its only for people in alliances of 50+ players to participate.
Thanks for the shoutout to s16!! We come together and work hard for incursions - as you've seen. Nice to see the stats/numbers though, for sure. /cheers
s16 🤟🏻
Must be nice.
Feedback for incursions is easy,
Make PVP score more than raiding in specific systems. (similar to the war room scoring.) it scores 1 point per point of hull damage everywhere to warships. but in specific systems, it scores 30000 per point of hull damage.
Make miners score 0 points, but docking with mats(crystal gas ore), scores 30k per unit of whatever you just docked.
Change the SMS so all brackets score when defeating or losing to any specific ship. (As a G3 player I kill G4 ships and get 0 SMS points. But they get SMS points for killing my ships?)
Bring back rewards for the losing server.
Add more rewards to the incursion store like FC Janeway Shards, FC Sloan Skill points and shards, Dolomide, Prime Orbit Medallions (Limit 50 for the prime particles maybe?)
@@thesugarfatman Imho system specific pvp is the worst. It's either dead or sieged by big dudes.
Owch. Server 143 here.. I knew we were bad, I didn't realise we were THAT bad >.
Server 13 here. We know we are that bad. 😂
We do our best on server 143
Server 163 💪 we always put our difference's aside for Incursions.
164 had a genius, woke up one day deciding he'd quit the game and that it would be fun to make both servers fight over his 70T RSS.
Naturally people werent happy about that and one managed to get through to him and talk him out of it .. seemingly.
He then decided to silently open his base to the opposing server and move whenever he was discovered and defended.
He gave away around 30T RSS before he shielded and went to bed and most of us gave up on the incursion, but some managed to crack and raid a 50T base of the other server it seems and turned the tide. 164 player than came on and gave a speech that if we can win if we all work together.
Even 159 disliked him and what he did.
That was a player that didnt get treated bad by anyone and expressed his honor to have been in his former alliance.
Appearently he has announced to return next incurion and do it again.
159 disliked him but still raided him and tried to win, just couldn’t beat the might of 164
@@85azmo can't blame 159 for it
@@derpizzadieb no of course but shouldn’t say they were not happy about it when the 64+ were raiding it. If they weren’t happy don’t raid it or at least let the players who prob need it more than them fight over it.
Love seeing the overall win/losses since it came out
The fact that one or two players on a server determine the outcome is part of the problem. An unshielded whale, or someone intentionally throwing the event is all it takes. 90min into the last incursion, S13 was losing by over 100Trillion. No point in trying, especially for the paltry rewards. As others have stated, increase bonuses for docking resources, use an approach like the war room where you get fewer points for punching down, and change the scoring metric where instead of a point for raided base rss, make it a point for every 1000, or 10,000 in the case of parsteel.
Next step is increase all the rewards by a factor of 100. The rewards are not worth the effort... at all.
It wont completely fix incursions, but it will dilute some of the main problems and make playing a little more worthwhile to everyone that isnt 100% PvP driven.
Server 102 here. We've had 3-5 whales and a ton of other players consistently just throw it. Posting their coordinated in GC, sit unshielded in a group of enemy players with hundreds of billions and just afk. It's been absolutly terrible having solid leads and just watching it go down the drain. Some alliances are permanantly KOS server-wide because of how their members throw it every time despite repeated communication and plans. I really wish Scopely would do something about these people.
702 was originally matched with 703, two relatively recent servers that had never had incursions before. Both ascended at the end of May at the same time and both were close in general strength. But a week before Incursions, Scopely changed the pairing, matching 701 with 702 and 700 with 703. 700 and 701 both had at least 3 incursions under their belt. As a result, 702 and 703 were simply gang-violated. The fun was virtually non-existent, players were profoundly angry, some players rage quit the game and some, such as me, have decided not to give Scopely any more money. This was a singularly disgusting experience for me and some of my alliance mates, so I'm betting that the sentiment was echoed throughout both (702 & 703) servers.
My server largely ignores incursions with a lot of players just taking the day off.
The only good thing about incursions is the loot bonus exocomp.
If they added that exo into normal play and another way to get subspace relays then incursions would go from very few to almost nobody online.
The event rewards aren't worth the effort.
There needs to be points for base defense. If you can take huge hits and survive without shielding you should score for that. Also they need to de-emphasize raiding a base. I would like to make it mandatory you participate. Ok to sit it out but you should get zero alliance rewards. Ok to sit out. Just get nothing. Let’s the bigs get credit for their damage, I can already hear the cries but they paid a shit ton to have these ships, it should matter.
Feel free to implement all of that right after you tighten the PvP ops brackets, otherwise it's just whales slaughtering everyone else which will lead to mass drop off of players, and then whales complaining about fighting each other and how it isn't fun anymore.
You get points for the SLBs for doing that, it counts as damage delt.
Oh yea. i absolutely hate that defending your base doesn't count. its total BS.
As if I didn't feel bad enough about my server's performance in Incursions, now it's posted for all to see. Thx Rev
Which server?
There's not a real good way to prevent throwing. Because ACTIVE players throw it. And they're doing it intentionally, which means it can't be prevented. Even if we pre-raid them, etc.
Yep, there are several on 26 that do their best to cause a loss. This is the main reason I check out on these days. Better to ignore it than to bust my hump trying to win for a couple of guys to lose trillions in resources on purpose and guarantee a loss then once it is over they throw enough money to buy a new RV into resource packs to replace it.
Well I can say this this last incursion I ranked 1st in damage and 2nd in pvp server 34 had fun
@@jozzy6188 unrelated to the original thread topic.
My server designates people traitors if they intentionally let the other server raid them, even if it doesn't throw the incursion.
Being marked a traitor is worse than being marked a rogue, rogues have a way to rehab and be allowed to join the decent alliances again, traitors don't.
If someone were to throw the incursion by accident, everyone would be POed at them and they may be kicked from their alliance, but they wouldn't get marked a traitor.
@@jennicatcross9673 Believe me, I'm a faithful
Others have mentioned it but changing from RSS/Materials stolen to RSS/Materials docked would be a HUGE improvement in the metrics. They could also add isogen, raw Latinum and other types of materials.
I would also like to see Scopely abandon the “invading/defending” server concept for the events. It serves no purpose and only encourages cooperative play between “enemy” servers. Just have both servers count for the SMS/SLBs.
I've said it before and I'll say it 100 times again, in relation to incursions each individual player should have a pool of points, and those points deplete each time an incursion action is taken against them, and once those points are gone they can no longer affect the outcome of the result. Sure they can still be raided but those resources no longer count towards to overall result. That way no one player can "throw" the result and ruin it for everyone else.
I'd like the 'biggest loser' to get a frame and avatar automatically changed to a 'mark of shame' for a mandatory time frame of say 6 weeks? (Long enough to be active during the next incursion) and this frame+avatar combo cannot be selected in the future.
There will be some active players trying to earn it and throw the contest, but at least there should be someone on the other server doing the same.
Bonus effect, scopely could put a nerf on the 'mark of shame' account where they have negative multipliers for a week such as officer stats, pvp damage, build times, slower mining speed. This could force players to quit though, so I'd not be too hasty with account debuffs.
Its fing boring thats what it truly is boils down to which servers whale forget to shield wins
100% accurate
Yep... We pre raid bases the day before, pre-sweep all systems of miners 2 hours before, we have a server wide excursions only discord account for open enemy base's locations. But it only takes one whale forgetting to shield to ruin your whole day.
incursions sux
@@jongault7527 then you'll enjoy 199, a lot of bases for you to hit
Agree, but that goes for the entire game. Every new "content" is just recycled. Scopely is the biggest disgrace to the star trek universe and IP
We can pretty much forget about there being any more changes to incursions. They promised iterative changes to improve incursions based on feedback when they brought it back from its hiatus and that lasted all of 2 months! The only change theres been since is changing the officers in the events to ones even more useless than what used to be there
The easiest way to improve server performance is to avoid basing in territory entirely. The only big advantage to basing in territory is that it's harder for raiders to find and quickly drain a base. That encourages players to get lax with shields, which opens them up for incursions.
I am from 201. The youngest server until recently. Something that you might have missed Rev Deuce is that 201 was a capped server for most of the time that incursions has been running. In the beginning we were capped at Ops 39 and going up against servers with no such limitation. Yet we still won. Why did we still win? I could say we were tactically smarter...maybe, but I think that its probably because of 201 having a bigger percentage of avid PVP players...which is just luck of the draw. There is probably more involved but I am honestly not sure what that would be. What I DO know is that since our Ops cap has been removed, the points gap between us and our opponents has widened dramatically since we can now match them for power. Make what you like of that.
Could we match up to servers that are much older from the USA or Euro....I dont know that either. Guess we may never know.
By the way...love your show and still watch it all the time. Keep up the good work mate. Cheers from Australia.
Y'all have fought every incursion! Server 27 is the best!
Thx Rev.
@rev ... is there a way for you to account for PVP points in your calculations? s16 here, so obviously pleased with the ranking, but I think there is more to incursions than just wins vs losses, and raiding.
Rev I know this probably not the place to post but if u read this could u possibly ask to put a marker in game as to where missions are 😊
201 is still #1 🙂 Not sure bout easy, but in the end we can only beat whats in front of us and still takes the effort and consistency to do that and not drop one... so unless they can put in some sort of cross zone superleague APAC v US/EU match ups (which given how they struggle with lag and issues at the best of times I know is a no go) not much more we can do
As for some of the reasons why, I think we've been good at making sure whatever other internal wars/squabbles/issues that are going on (and theres been more than a few!) are put aside for the day to work in the one direction and keep the focus on the other server... still been the odd moment but for the most part managed to keep the focus and not have anyone want to sabotage or cause issues
I'd be interested in seeing how the total amounts scored in each category per server per incursion. For example for server 125 has the resources raided gone up, stayed consistent or dropped. It feels like that would be a good metric to track and possibly show if incursions is getting more or less popular. Personally it feels like more and more players are just shielding and sitting it out
Representing S61 yea buddy!! We could of done better if 6 of the top 10 alliances were not At War.
More milestone events would make incursions more interesting. At present incursions means sendibng ships to be destroyed, collect incursion credits?n, shield up and head to the pub
I'm active for 20+ hrs I like incursions and am very active in it
You could add to a players profile how much they have lost in incursions. That way, players can keep an eye on them. Secondly, could ships destroyed as opposed to rss just an idea.
Shoutout to 93 perfect record!!! No one can self-sabotage better than us!
It's not even self sabotage, do people mess up? Sure, but there are many we could have won if not for you know who
we do a pruge event 2 hrs before incursions start, no survey ships left out for the other server to come hit. esp in token space. And that is how i get most of my points when i jump to the other server is getting those in token systems.
Is there any way to access the graphs in the video at all?
Looks like we are doing great in server 142 💪
Id like to see a chart on money spent per server😁
My server is broken...2 alliances with god complexes have demoralized the server to not participating or throwing it on purpose to spite those alliances
server 142 - top 5 - wow
thanks rev - good to know
115 is not at the bottom? Well that's shocking but then I suppose they did win some pre-merge with 116
Shout out to Server 9... 4w 14 L...... we are one of the best servers giving out material
I wish we could kick H8 and the others out of the server, send them to one of the new ones
Were merges taken into account?
My original server was defeated only once and we were merged unto the server that beat us. That server had been defeated 4 times, 2 of those times by my og server. I would argue that the incursions fought in the past between 2 servers that were later merged shouldn't count, because they are now one server.
Either that, or look at the server that was merged into the other one and take into account their combined win/ lose rank when going back to the beginning of incursions.
Like people mention below, issue is if one big player does not shield and all is lost, and for me 2nd issue is very slow raiding. B'Etor is helping, but it would not be bad to have one or two more raiding crew members on Amalgam. After hour of just going back and forth I feel exhausted and Incursion then become too big choir. Lastly, above lvl 40 is not fun to raid at all. Rarely you find base, and evenly matched players make huge investment into breaking base only to see player being active in 10-15min and shield up again.
to be honest i HATED incursions at first but its growing on me. im mainly using it to get more tritanium now but until they fix the 1 whale unshielded screws the whole server(which makes ALOT of internal server fights) i WILL not get behind this feature.
Im on 188 in APAC and i do agree to an extent that the US could be harder. We wont know until we are able to have cross region incursions.
Suggestion would be to have all bases essentially cloak (or are hidden somehow) at the beginning of incursions and when you log in your base appears. So if you dont log in then your base wont get raided.
S36. We usually do pretty well, mostly due to 5 or 6 alliances, (shout out to mine, [NEAT]), who are absolute raiding beasts, and a lot of players on during the day. More on overnight, who are just as vicious, if not moreso. Cheers, guys!
201 here. We as a server have a process leading up to incursions and while they are on. We also put aside our personal wars most of the time
However we would like to fight some other servers. in the last year and a half only 2 servers have put up good fights and one of those servers on the 2nd incursions it was like night and day, They used to work together and counter raid and fight protecting each other. the 2nd time they didn't do any of that and the chat was a lot more quiet or filled with petty in fighting.
It seems one of the big advantages we have is just sheer activity we frequently are just simply more active than those we face with some servers feeling almost dead with little response to our attacks.
That wouldn't happen to be s193 would it?
Its hard to win when half your server is at war with the other half. The only way to prevent whales from throwing an incursion is to limit the amount of rss that can be raided. Ie 10% an hr. Or, prevent the top10 rss lost from the last incursion from participating in the next. I do agree that less emphases on raiding is needed.
i still love them, i am just not happy one cracked whale can determine who will win, as it is in our last three (we lost 2, won 1). one 60's guy unshielded and inc is done. i can crack 100 players of my lvl and it doesn't matter. i am ops48.
Server 72. 💪 most of us don’t really care for each other but we manage to pull incursions off.
Server 37 in the house!!! 4 and 13. Woohoo!!
S37 member here as well. We are just the worst at Incursions. LLAP
Where are the PVP gun-ho in incursions? They are here in regular days. 😂
Server 101 won their last incursion, but I don't see that reflected on the spreadsheet that you were using. We have one win, finally, lol.
It felt good to finally get a win
We need a list for most rss lost
Something along the lines of a maximum amount of points per station per hour so that someone cannot throw the incurssion for the whole server and makes it so that you need to hit more people rather than focusing on one individual. maybe with an increasing amount as you ops up etc
S40 loves it , wish we had a merger, but incursions keeps the game fun . We got a pretty good record.
Server 9 has a guy that throws incursions every month (calling you out H8), and he’s a huge spender, so it’s not like we can just raid him before hand to prevent him allowing trillions to be taken, because he’ll just spend to replenish what we took. The only way that can be fixed is if $copely gave servers the ability to kick toxic players out, which I know is never going to happen. Maybe if incursions went back to being during the week, it might help; if the problem players didn’t have time to throw it like they do on the weekend. Server 9’s only win in the last 12 months came during the one month when it was held on a Wednesday
201 are good because we know how to hit hard and work together, no matter what alliance you're in. We've been up against an EU server and beat them, and to say we're just APAC makes no difference. We're one of the youngest servers in STFC, and we've been cryin out to be put up against either EU or even US servers, just to have a change of scenery, and a challenge
When scopely starts to care about the pvp bands, I'll start caring about one person throwing an incursion. And that's coming from someone on s16.
Heh, I thought our mess at 167 was worse, more wins that i thought we had lol
you should show who has come in first the most on solo leader boards. Damage dealt, bases raided , defense , offense first place winners.
Well done 15!
s16 for life!!
My server 130 love to share resources each month. I can’t remember when we won an incursions. Its sooooo simple move to a protected system and shield but know my alliance is so frustrated by this behaviour it’s loosening interest
This was my first incursion and I must say despite my server (702) getting absolutely dumpstered in the main event, I really enjoyed the incursion as a whole, and I don't really have much interest in PVP in general.
703 got asshamered as well. IIRC they had about 300billion at the end, we had just shy of 3 Trillion.
Server 167 here. Won once (the chart says 4 wins but I only have one victory token and been active in all of them) and lost every other time. The last one we had already lost 10 minutes after it started. I know it's pixels but man, it is embarrassing as heck.
I'm also on 167. It sucks so many forget to sheild
We have, I think 3 wins and not embarrassed at all, useless event and the winning server prizes are ridiculous. Prizes overall are poor, its my life and I won't let a game and "server pride" lol, tell me how to waste my time.
You missed a few for sure, I have 2 triumph tokens and we won a few times before those were introduced also (tho that might have been before the merge with 168)
As a server 16 player I'd like to request NEW people to play against. This was our 3rd fight with 17. Fun fight but it's getting old.
I think they really need to reduce the scoring for raiding. While raiding is fun, the scoring was last balanced before 60+ was added. Now, a lazy level 60+ whale can lose the whole event within 10 minutes, simply because of their massive resources and the way the amalgam ability works. Once your server is behind by 150T within an hour, engagement plummets and few try to close the gap.
As an alternative, they could add some additional events (SMS/AMS, even IMS), where the participation scoring is high. These events could be timed to happen more than once throughout the 24 hours, which would keep engagement up throughout, and the event wouldn't be over immediately, so folks in different time zones could still contribute.
We got a few that intentionally unshield for the opposite server, but their impact after doing that muktiple times has become to low to matter. Due to being emptied they grew slower and had less rss to share during another event, even if they are small spenders. But that's also because we got a large group of players that like incursions. Personally I find it boring so I only let my smaller ships get blown up at the designated event system and use the rest of the time abusing the loot exo. That last one is really inportant to reduce grindtime and since we on average win most Incursions you can't use them after it ends unless you want to drop that sweet research boosting exo that you get from winning Incursions.
I wish there just was an auto raiding ship. I don't mind keeping an eye out if it wohld auto raid until interupted, but pressing attack station hundreds of time is a snoozefest.
Zdravím všechny, možná přidat SMS eventy k SLB a vyplácet stejné odměny v SMS jako V SLB.
1) Zničit nepřátele určitého množství a lvl.
2) Natěžit nějaký materiál (Ore,Crystal,Gas,ISO,).
3) Zabít konkrétní nepřátele v konkrétní v soustavě.
A to buď na nepřátelském serveru nebo domácím, nebo na obou.
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MY ISSUE IS THE LVL LOCK ON VOYAGER WARP PARTS AT TIER 6. WHEN RESLEASED IS WAS NO LVL LOCKS TO UPGRADE THE SHIP. NOW I HAVE 100 THOUSANDS OF SHIP PARTS TO UPGRADE AND NEED 5 MORE LVLS TO USE WHEN FACTION SHIPS ARE AVAILABLE AT 50 AND ARE 4* EPICS FIX THIS SCOPELY
Better rewards for starters. As well as doing the incursions, buildup directly, followed by incursions, not three days later.
need more rewards to encourage participation open up other resources that can be raided off of base smashing.
Server 90 now merged with 91...wins keep coming
I love incursions!!! Eldarmoon server 045
201 baby 🎉! We the best
Regards from 163
Yeahbwe have a core group of people on server 43 that throw the match reliably.
S45 Rocks 😈🏴☠️
US v Eur servers. Bring it on
I love server 89. Server 84 appears stronger - and as expected 86 is the weaker of the three. The 86 and 87 merge was a mess and took 35 percent of the fun go away (merge was like a year ago). Merges rarely make things better.
It would be a nice metric to see how many players actually participate on each server. On server 13 we have pretty much abandoned Incursions and we hardly have 50 players who turn up. Most of the long term players have got fed up with the game and quit. Their bases were dead and stacked with resources for anyone to raid. Most remaining players just shield and turn off the game for the day.
Server 16 here
Give raiding less of an emphasis point wise, maybe give more points for cracking a base, that way it’s harder for a small handful of whales to throw it, if a server losses badly, then it’s because the whole server messed up.
S45🎉🎉🎉 Shaat here
thx for pointing out 20 v 26. Here in S26, this was the worst beatdown we've had. They spanked us overnight when our server was sleeping. No way to come back from that. What is even crazier, that is only the 5th incursion they've won? I don't understand...
The shield discipline on s26 was definitely lacking 😂
Truthfully it's happening a bit too often. It would be easier to get more excited for it if they happened farther apart. It's a chore? If it only happened only 4 times a year, I could get excited, tell my family to give me time to play.
Remember that time An I alliance did the Boot and Loot, got over zealous too early and multiple players threw Incursions because of it? Yeah, sometimes you have to accept that your server just isn't that concerned.
Didn't see my server (93) on the graphic. Guess we can't have a win % without any wins.
you're 0-6!
Here is a link to the full post:
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GvsNgHzlvZbXfIi-cWRLkh7tfViPqnXfzJwYDaOhpOk/edit?usp=sharing
Go go!!! Server 91 💯💯
I like incursion I wish they would add more events or a better variety sometimes of I guess you would say decathlon style events during incursion maybe. Other than that I really wish they would improve the rewards for incursion.
For any players who have not been active a week before incursion, their base should be locked so they cannot be raided by anyone from either server
Server 45 here, the biggest thing that helps us is even though there are several strong personalities on the server that absolutely do not like each other and constant war, we come together as one group for incursions. And for a lot of us, it is the only reason we still play the game.
I`m in server 155 and we have had high level players who deliberately left themselves open with vast resources to sabotage our results, just because something may have happened that they didn`t like.
The ones that winning records have deep pockets
I would love to play server 201 I wish they could play US servers. I look forward to playing Server 20 but I have no idea how the matchups are determined. Server 40 is just waiting for you to enter the match. Live Long and Plunder.
201 wishes to challenge non APAC servers. Make it like a World Series of Incursions.
Server 45 🎉🎉🎉
most people on my server put up a day shield and ignore it, and let the whales kill each other
Server 40 14-3!!!! I promised @lvl40 I was a big help lol
Server 16 reppin! F 201 we want a rematch.
Got 1st in raiding server 92
I'm on server 140 didn't expect to see it on the list tho lol
Same, wasn't expecting to see but it looks like we're doing well
@@Peregrine84 your on server 140 ?
@@Rob-el8ti Yes i'm on S140, CaptainTurok
@@Peregrine84 check galaxy chat lol
Euro server or US server
Make it that it's more pvp based rather than materials raided. Set it up where you only get 1 point per material raided regardless of what it is. Score it 10 points per hull damage. ZERO points for hitting miners. Have modifiers for hitting above & below your ops level. For example, there is no penalty for hitting someone 3 levels above or below you. Every 3 levels after that you get a positive or negative multiplier on the damage you do. This is to encourage punching up and also to discourage whales & high level players picking on players 10+ levels below them. Man up & fight in your weight class. That's my 2 cents