but this win should also be considered an achievement imo, maybe a generalized apoc achievement: "win without transforming", though bers would have it easy so idk
I mean most of the times dcing while on stand was just scummy since town pretty much gets another lynch, now if people start to hang dc players it won't happen anymore
I wonder if it's possible they could make it so that people who deliberately leave cannot rejoin the game (because why would they?) - only players who got disconnected due to connection hiccups or outages are able to reconnect? I got booted out of like two Jailor games because of those hiccups DX and it sucks for both me and town it happened like that
The easy solution to any and every "disconnected or left the game" problem" has always been that BMG should just eliminate the ability to see a players connection status while alive in the game... Save that info for anyone in dead chat that wants to know. I've always hated how there'd be 2 sus evils, one gets voted up, they leave the game, and then town gets to inno for a free second lynch on the other guy. If they just made it so disconnected players appear as AFK townies still in the game, it eliminates that disadvantage evils have. And now that you can reconnect before 30 seconds, players will leave while on the stand, get inno'd down, then re-join. Getting rid of their connection status to live players would also eliminate this problem...
as mentioned in another comment, this new feature actually helps in removing the "second lynch" meta due to town having to hang dcd players in case they reconnect and thus survive.
I was thinking about it, and I think there’s a way to fix Trickster. Go back to three uses of taunt Give Trickster basic defense against only the attack they trigger Have the Trickster counterattack with the same strength attack that the attacker would have had. This would make the Trickster able to kill CK that aren’t the coven leader without dying, but it also protects Shroud, defensive CL, and SK without Bloodlust. Also, the Trickster shouldn’t get any notification if they trick a player and they have defense against their own attack. That makes it so the Trickster can kill certain roles without dying, but others roles aren’t completely ruined by a random skilless trick.
I think it would be fine for a Trickster to know if the trick worked as it wouldn't be "confirmed" since trickster wouldn't die anymore. It would be like a vigi saying someone's immune, it's not always 100% trustable
There's no "right" way to do reconnecting mid-game. They could make it 2+ minutes and the potential for abuse would be the same. You either leave and rejoin during a day/night transition to abuse people thinking you're gone for the match, or you're "alive" until you die/rejoin one way or another.
@@superl8296 That is true. I mean as it is right now, disconnects are a tactic for the alive people. Someone leaves and then they get innoed and now someone else can get lynched. So leaving as an evil of a faction while being sussed just ruins your team's chances. If it is made to where people assume disconnects are still alive(since disconnected players can be targeted as well), then this won't matter as much. Just always assume a disconnect will reconnect.
imo you shouldn't get a notification when people leave during the day, but maybe that's just because I've lost to many games where the town thought was last evil left so they hanged me "just to be safe" when I shoulda won.
Te meta will shift with this, if you dc in stand you are admitting guilt, now that they could reconnect dcing is instant guilty, i can already see a jester tactic here
iirc the first game was literally game theory from what I‘ve heard. There is 3 people in town, 2 of them can kill and 1 is currently useless, the two most dangerous will eliminate each other. If soul collector turned it will be announced and pipe would've been lynched and drawn.
Kinda sad they didn't give the invincibility achievement a more goofy title like 'Uh, I can explain' since Death is pretty much screwed when that happens.
So new transitional meta, leave when you get voted up then reconnect. However if/when it becomes a thing people will learn to lynch the leaver regardless ruining that meta and fixing the problem of evils quitting hurting other evils.
Had the funniest SC game today. Was SC and was going to try as vet. Was gonna claim D3. Got witched N2 so I was like man the gig is up and just didn’t claim anything. Coven killed everyone with a final day of 3v1v1. Other town was goated and they lost the 50/50 cuz he didn’t say anything either. Ended up winning by not talking.
Eeeeyyyy. I was in this first game as nostraightanswer. I can't believe that it was Pipetron that had won the game in the end. Edit: Also, the reason why I had claimed TP (more specifically Trapper) to the Jailor was because I was jailed N1 and my mind was slightly distracted when they asked for role, so I just fell back to default and not what would've worked better for Wilding. XD
Ah, I see 2 was blackmailed into helping exe in that second game. Kinda sucks they couldn't convince exe that they'd get their coven to help them get their win without throwing their own game away, but it's not always that easy.
Pipe idk if you are reading this, but i think you should post coven book priority list on community post or smth(not discord). Lately i've been meeting noobs that doesn't know this, i've been suffering from these peoples
I had a game the other day where the shroud & the last living coven game threw. It's the last day of the game, The only people still alive are a TK[semi-confirmed], 1 Coven, 1 Shroud still trying to claim LO even though he's been outed cause he didn't understand the mechanics of the shroud, a Psychic[me] who was confirmed very early in the game & 1 soul collector turned death. A bit of chatting happens before voting starts & during that chat the player who is death gets outed. Psy votes the death, death votes the Psy[naturally], Shroud stupidly votes the confirmed Psy, Coven stupidly votes the confirmed Psy and I get upped. I try to tell them they are game throwing cause death had outed himself & cause I was confirmed & they all knew it but what does everyone do?? They chose to game throw & guilty. My final words. "GG death wins, you idiots legit game threw" & game ends with NA wining. "Wait how did we loose that?" says 1 of the 2 people who who game threw by voting the confirmed psy instead of voting the confirmed death. I just don't get how some people can be so stupid.
As far as achievement hunting goes you really did just dodge every soul collector achievement lmao
but this win should also be considered an achievement imo, maybe a generalized apoc achievement: "win without transforming", though bers would have it easy so idk
Being able to reconnect means you can leave on stand and hope people inno to get a different lynch and then reconnect
If I had to guess meta is going to shift to guilty these players, that or a change to the leaver buster for leaving while on stand.
A good fix is to not show they disconnected for thirty seconds
I mean most of the times dcing while on stand was just scummy since town pretty much gets another lynch, now if people start to hang dc players it won't happen anymore
@@superbeta1716I agree. I think this might help the game
I wonder if it's possible they could make it so that people who deliberately leave cannot rejoin the game (because why would they?) - only players who got disconnected due to connection hiccups or outages are able to reconnect?
I got booted out of like two Jailor games because of those hiccups DX and it sucks for both me and town it happened like that
Poetic that Death visited the town without actually killing anyone, they wiped themselves out.
true
The easy solution to any and every "disconnected or left the game" problem" has always been that BMG should just eliminate the ability to see a players connection status while alive in the game... Save that info for anyone in dead chat that wants to know.
I've always hated how there'd be 2 sus evils, one gets voted up, they leave the game, and then town gets to inno for a free second lynch on the other guy. If they just made it so disconnected players appear as AFK townies still in the game, it eliminates that disadvantage evils have.
And now that you can reconnect before 30 seconds, players will leave while on the stand, get inno'd down, then re-join. Getting rid of their connection status to live players would also eliminate this problem...
Only problem is then it’s really frustrating to waste your abilities on the dcd players
@@BBG07endlessthen shows the dcs during night time simple fix (wait nevermind day time abilities exist)
as mentioned in another comment, this new feature actually helps in removing the "second lynch" meta due to town having to hang dcd players in case they reconnect and thus survive.
I was thinking about it, and I think there’s a way to fix Trickster.
Go back to three uses of taunt
Give Trickster basic defense against only the attack they trigger
Have the Trickster counterattack with the same strength attack that the attacker would have had.
This would make the Trickster able to kill CK that aren’t the coven leader without dying, but it also protects Shroud, defensive CL, and SK without Bloodlust. Also, the Trickster shouldn’t get any notification if they trick a player and they have defense against their own attack. That makes it so the Trickster can kill certain roles without dying, but others roles aren’t completely ruined by a random skilless trick.
Actually good fix
I think it would be fine for a Trickster to know if the trick worked as it wouldn't be "confirmed" since trickster wouldn't die anymore. It would be like a vigi saying someone's immune, it's not always 100% trustable
Just make trickster redirect instead at this point
Recently picked up ToS 2, and while I may suck *tarnation pillion* at the game, it’s incredibly fun. Thank you, pipton.
It's a hard game but soooo fun!
To watch😅
As someone who played about of tos1, it’s one of those games you have to play a lot to learn the do’s and don’ts haha
I suggest opening up the wiki while you plau
on the second game, when it was 2v2. It was confirmed that tracker was fake, cuz doomsayer woulda kicked the bucket cuz they cant win
Doomsayer doesn’t doom themselves with 4 people alive including TIs I believe
@@Cosmic_endthis is true, they are just stuck there for a day
When everyone is a TP, no one will be
💀
Flashbacks to that game where Pipton decided to hang the 3 trapper claims, and they were all real.
@@TomasLeiteLeitetruly the pippering tonning of all time
I get randomly dc in half of my games. Never happend in tos 1 so now I can finally play the game
Dang, 4 nearly threw you under the bus there.
There's no "right" way to do reconnecting mid-game. They could make it 2+ minutes and the potential for abuse would be the same.
You either leave and rejoin during a day/night transition to abuse people thinking you're gone for the match, or you're "alive" until you die/rejoin one way or another.
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i don’t think the abuse will matter too much. you just gotta not take disconnects seriously until they actually die
@@superl8296 wastes a trial
@@superl8296 That is true. I mean as it is right now, disconnects are a tactic for the alive people. Someone leaves and then they get innoed and now someone else can get lynched. So leaving as an evil of a faction while being sussed just ruins your team's chances. If it is made to where people assume disconnects are still alive(since disconnected players can be targeted as well), then this won't matter as much. Just always assume a disconnect will reconnect.
imo you shouldn't get a notification when people leave during the day, but maybe that's just because I've lost to many games where the town thought was last evil left so they hanged me "just to be safe" when I shoulda won.
Hey Pipe, can you share a downloable excel of how you track your archievements? It would be so helpful!
Congrats on your win, tbh, I have no idea what Town Of Salem is 😂 but that’s alright, Soul Collecter sounds really good anyway!
Thank you pimpton for getting a super rare soul collector win.
when are we getting more executioner gameplay???
0:47 pretty sure pipe is talking about avoiding being hung
Te meta will shift with this, if you dc in stand you are admitting guilt, now that they could reconnect dcing is instant guilty, i can already see a jester tactic here
@@rubenfernandez4568 💀
*join game, be Soul Collector
*claim TP
*never transform
*refuse to elaborate
*win anyway.
The true town of salem sigmallionaire grind.
I used to crash like once every 10 games in the original tos, having a reconnect feature back then would have saved soo many game
The reaction to apoc winning the first game was kinda lackluster. I was expecting a bit more "Wait, apoc?" or something.
There was poisoner outed already I would have roleblocked the jailor and save the jinx. Also the conj had the book so coven still killed
Pretty good team for apoc because they are pretty hard to find considering only visiting and a spy would reveal you
I had a really cool baker win where I got 3 achievements. Baker and PB and my PB got lynched just as I became Famine
WOOOO YEAH BABY!
THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR!
THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT!
WOOOOOOOO!
Reconnecting is an awful idea.
-Obviously inno, vet voted up, leave
-"Inno he left"
-Come back and night
Once had a game as dep where 8/12 (including me) claimed TP
iirc the first game was literally game theory from what I‘ve heard.
There is 3 people in town, 2 of them can kill and 1 is currently useless, the two most dangerous will eliminate each other. If soul collector turned it will be announced and pipe would've been lynched and drawn.
Kinda sad they didn't give the invincibility achievement a more goofy title like 'Uh, I can explain' since Death is pretty much screwed when that happens.
So new transitional meta, leave when you get voted up then reconnect. However if/when it becomes a thing people will learn to lynch the leaver regardless ruining that meta and fixing the problem of evils quitting hurting other evils.
Thanks pipetron for the video, it really helps me out
I like being able to dc cuz my pc would disconnect from my wifi at the WORST times
Can you collect a soul from a jailed player? When 12 got called out to the jailor there I figure that was an easy enough soul to go from 4 to 6
He didn't know and actually late death saved him cus then he would have been hanged
Had the funniest SC game today. Was SC and was going to try as vet. Was gonna claim D3. Got witched N2 so I was like man the gig is up and just didn’t claim anything. Coven killed everyone with a final day of 3v1v1. Other town was goated and they lost the 50/50 cuz he didn’t say anything either. Ended up winning by not talking.
I was in the first game, I was #2. I didn’t even realize it
19:30 Eh... 1 coven leaves, 1 coven outting themselves, 1 coven claims cleric in jail in a poisoner game...
Town of salem experience summarized
last game i played i got nuked by conjurer as famine and proceeded to get lynched
Eeeeyyyy. I was in this first game as nostraightanswer. I can't believe that it was Pipetron that had won the game in the end.
Edit: Also, the reason why I had claimed TP (more specifically Trapper) to the Jailor was because I was jailed N1 and my mind was slightly distracted when they asked for role, so I just fell back to default and not what would've worked better for Wilding. XD
What's good Pipe. I always look forward to your videos. Your vids are the best part of my day.
That's an issue
@@bloxer9563 How is that an issue?
@@darksheikgaming I hope you are doing okay because your life seems dull
Ah, I see 2 was blackmailed into helping exe in that second game. Kinda sucks they couldn't convince exe that they'd get their coven to help them get their win without throwing their own game away, but it's not always that easy.
how was 2 blackmailed?
@@Aex793 They said right at the end that 1 threatened to expose them as Jinx if they didn't call 6 sus.
Thank you Pipe for ACHIVEMENT HUNTING as the SOUL COLLECTOR role...
Pipe idk if you are reading this, but i think you should post coven book priority list on community post or smth(not discord). Lately i've been meeting noobs that doesn't know this, i've been suffering from these peoples
the main give away of you in game Pipe is when you say "am (role)"
If anyone can solo win without becoming death, its Pipe.
OMG I WAS IN UR VIDEO I WAS "Sexy mans who said ROle Call
I think tos should hide if someone disconnects
Whyyyyyy did they still keep the poison jail achievement everyone hated that
GG Great video as always :)
Omg I was in this video, I was bob!
and when everyone's TP, no one will be 2:14
Death gaming, win with 6 souls without becoming death or killing anyone
Pipton upload!
SC gameplay babyy
can you do a tt video
I kept thinking Apple is Adagia is there a reason people keep naming themselves Apple?
I had a game the other day where the shroud & the last living coven game threw. It's the last day of the game, The only people still alive are a TK[semi-confirmed], 1 Coven, 1 Shroud still trying to claim LO even though he's been outed cause he didn't understand the mechanics of the shroud, a Psychic[me] who was confirmed very early in the game & 1 soul collector turned death. A bit of chatting happens before voting starts & during that chat the player who is death gets outed. Psy votes the death, death votes the Psy[naturally], Shroud stupidly votes the confirmed Psy, Coven stupidly votes the confirmed Psy and I get upped. I try to tell them they are game throwing cause death had outed himself & cause I was confirmed & they all knew it but what does everyone do?? They chose to game throw & guilty. My final words. "GG death wins, you idiots legit game threw" & game ends with NA wining. "Wait how did we loose that?" says 1 of the 2 people who who game threw by voting the confirmed psy instead of voting the confirmed death. I just don't get how some people can be so stupid.
so if rit guesses wrong do they not get exposed? i thought they get exposed if they guess wrong
they do! that happened in this video
@@superl8296 i didnt see it say 9 was rit during the day after they guessed, was under the assumption they found em by process of elimination
went back and looked, and yeah it does, missed that
nice
Pipton time
I was 7 the sherrif. How dare you accuse me pipton, how dare you. I was not sus at all.
hi pipton
I’ve seen you’ve achieved the best title, the spoiler title
Early bird gets the content
Pipeton
A billion TP claims in the first game, zero of them real. This is the clear meta, town need to start pushing TP claims a lot more.
wabam
Day 54 of asking Pipe to play Lovers mode in Tos 1 till he gets the rare Pestilence message.
it seems like veterans kinda useless than trickster im
baba is me
Early gang!
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Jesus Christ is real repent and follow him
17 seconds, ago I'm so early