The thermosiphon concept is what the IceGiant with Prosiphon Elite released 3 or 4 years back. The benefit of Noctua's is that the heatsink isn't blocking the top half of the motherboard. The benefit of IceGiant's is that you don't have hoses (which I imagine the coolant could leak from). The vapor is entirely locked into the metal pipes attached to the heatsink. I have the IceGiant, and it performs extremely well with my 5950X. I can peg my CPU at 100% with video encoding as it hovers between 4.5-4.6GHz and see temps stay in high 70s/low 80s.
I don't think the coolant is any more likely to leak from a Noctua thermosiphon vs the IceGiant. The Thermosiphon is a sealed system, and with good quality control and design, followed by TESTING after manufacturing I think the odds that a leak would occur would be incredibly LOW... and glad you like your IceGiant (it is pretty neat concept), but it gets about 2degC higher temperatures vs the Noctua NH-D15 SE so it's pretty much in line with the $33 (USD) cooler like the Thermalright Peerless Assassin SE.
@@photonboy999 , "The Thermosiphon is a sealed system, and with good quality control and design, followed by TESTING after manufacturing I think the odds that a leak would occur would be incredibly LOW" Cool! Thanks for the clarification on that. That definitely makes the Noctua solution more compelling to me. In regards to performance compared to Noctua NH-D15, you're correct for most consumer uses (including my own). Where there is a slight benefit to the IceGiant is over extended periods. Due to its huge heatsink design, its heat-soaking allows it better sustained heat dissipation and higher boost clocks on a prolonged, single run at high temps. So, if it encoded a video for many hours, the Noctua would gradually fall behind, though it would start out winning for a while. Most benchmarks don't account for this. Noctua's fans are definitely quieter. Admittedly, the IceGiant's performance isn't good enough for the price. Thankfully, I was an early adopter and preordered it at a much lower price than it can be bought now (
@@photonboy999 IceGiant, even in its current iteration, has a product which pulls way ahead under high wattage loads. I'm sure the D15 is better on a 65W processor. Put it on Threadripper and it's not even close. That means that IceGiant has some work to do, and the current design they are working on looks very similar to what Noctua has here. Noctua is literally trying to push a new competitor out of the market before they get too strong with a disruptive idea.
Nah noctua all the way, way quieter and the best customer support/experience I've ever had. They've sent me multiple free kits for new CPU sockets, zero questions asked.
@5:15 so that's basically how fridges work. Sounds like a liquid/gas with a low boiling point. But you said it was reliant on gravity to work? Hmm, so that would limit it to always mounting above the CPU/motherboard. Fridges have a compressor for a reason but maybe when it's this small, it can work.
Was wanting to build a new PC next year but looks like I might be waiting a little longer for the G2 Chromax Ah, according to a Noctua rep on Reddit it looks like Q1/Q2 2025 for the cooler
We need to see a Noctua Auto edition, where they design airflow for automobile manufactures to optimize airflow and cooling efficiency where we nee dit most in every day use in Texas summer heat!
Noctua should find a wood grain that matches the color of their brown perfectly. Then they can keep with the trend, maybe get on some peoples radar they wouldnt otherwise, but stay true to Noctua lol.
This is why I stay subscribed to bitwit. No shock “journalism”. No need to drum up drama for views. Just talks about tech and gadgets in an easy to understand format. Stay classy Kyle! Also, that’s not an HTPC. It’s an A/V receiver. But I guess the net result is the same 👍
Following Noctua development for a while now.. I would have never imagined how complicated it is to design a fan. Simply though the fan-blades are some simple injection-moulded peaces of basic plastic. But if you try to minimize the gap to the frame for pressure/noise-optimization ... need to consider this fan must still work in temperature ranges from -10° to maybe 90° without starting to touch the frame... has centrifugal forces affecting it for years... you get a glimpse of the challenges the engineers had to overcome and why they need so much time... and why high-end fans cost 5x as much, as cheap no-names.
First, Noctua case fans. Second, Noctua CPU coolers. Third, Noctua Edition GPUs. Fourth, Noctua Edition PSUs. Finally, Noctua case, to put all the other parts in - dare we dream?
150 sound alot and well surely for many is but when you consider that you most certainly can use that cooler 10 or maybe even 20 years and maybe have to get only a new fan or a mounting bracket, its value skyrockets. and even if there are some coolers that can deliver a few degrees better performance, do you really need it for a normal gaming rig? honestly you dont as long as the cooler is within a certain spectrum of cooling and noise. i have a nhd 15 and i am glad to not really have to think about it anymore. i dont care if my cpu reaches 60 or 63 while gaming. i only care about reliability. and no aio or custom water cooling can give me that peace of mind
WOW !!!! I really like the old, dry fades colours, just picked it out of the garbage look Noctua is going for. before the colours were as ugly as a 1960s hippy couch but now they have this dry coating of jiz on them! Truly brave noctua i commend you for making something to intentionally push away your customers and somehow youre not bankrupt LMAO
😂 Killed the AIO? Somehow I see a lot of birthing person boards with solder breaks with that much weight cantilevered off the CPU area. Sometimes, when something hasn't been done before, it's not because nobody thought of it before; sometimes, there are valid reasons.
HAHAHAHA you think this kills the AIO ... ya no thank you. It's impossible to make an air cool fan as quite as a radiator fan. That's just physics. I'll take the more stable, consistent, and almost always better performing AIO. Been using AIO's in a dozen home servers for well over a decade. Never had a leak, never lost a motor, never lost performance. If it happens, it happens rare enough that I'm not concerned. AIO's are better in every possible way IMO
It's a heat pump, like an airconditioner. Uses evaporation/phase change to cool. I would still call it an AIO because it's all in one, but i understand why they want to deferentiate, since in PC cooling AIO or CLC refers to something specific.
Awesome that a company is finally looking into some stand alone fan solutions. I too am in a similar boat with my htpc demanding more cooling...I have already got 2x120mm fans mounted at the bottom of my cabinet with a grill up top but without some extra push, the heat doesn't escape quickly enough. So looking forward to that video of how you are going to implement them on you're setup.
I cut 4x 140mm holes in the back of my entertainment cabinet and mounted Noctua fans with grills. The intake fans are towards the bottom and have a magnetic filter. The exhaust fans are up towards the top and just have grills. Since I don't have to worry about dust, I am using a test bench frame to hold the computer. This setup keeps my HTPC nice and cool.
to this new kind of cooler> there is no such thing like "hey, this is a new product and maybe next year...". If Noctua shows this now for the first time, your children might buy it once.
I love thermosiphon cooling. I have the IceGiant on my 5900X and never see it get above 80. Beast of a cooler. Nice to see some competition in the space.
The modular desk fan system would be great for adding a filter, so that it could be placed on a bench to direct soldering smoke away from you while soldering medium-to-large boards or handwired circuits. I kludged together something for this using a desktop gooseneck mic stand and a 120mm fan, and this desktop stand would have been SO much better.
Some of those extra accessories look like they could easily be sold as 3D Print files. Imagine being able to just buy the files and 3D print your own adapters. That'd be cool.
considering its only a prototype... NO they did not kill the AIO.... YET.... I hope it becomes a product because I can't stand AIOs and Watercooling... too much maintenance for me to care to deal with them. I will be upgrading to their new 140 air cooler when I go to the AM5 platform!
+mitchtalmadge, writes _That new AIO is basically how an air conditioner works."_ Or a fridge. @@kylekermgard, writes _"It's unpowered though."_ Which makes it much less efficient.
im thinking its just an air cooler in a aio chassis. its pretty much the same principle. im sure it has a different liquid but its similar enough in my mind...
Noctua and Seasonic working together on Seasonic's PRIME PSU's is just sheer perfection. There are no better power supplies than Seasonic PRIME PSU's, I am currently using a PRIME PX-1000 (2021) and 4x Noctua Industrial iPPC fans on my radiator, both are absolutely stellar in build quality and performance.
Wouldn't there still be the issue of leaking seeing as there is liquid inside. Plus wouldnt the gas leech out over time making it less efficient to the point where it no longer works?
it has solid metal tubing. no evaporation or leaks. this is the same type of design used in industrial applications that lasts 50 yrs+ without service. PC use pioneered by IceGiant, not noctua.
Noctua CPU cooler thermal past with stick to your CPU and rip it out of its socket. Bent my 3700x CPU up and it has not run as good since. Thanks, Noctua for not coving it. Will never buy Noctua stuff again.
I still feel the high-end Tower cooler market is too niche. Too much weight on the M/B IMO, along with the TR Towers. I want to see high pressure AIOs next!
While these large air coolers do a fantastic job there is no getting around the fact the main reason many don't want to use them...they are freakin huge and cover up most of the motherboard.
The concavity of LGA 1700 isn't by design of the chip, it is how the same old cpu retainer that they designed in the 90s deforms the thinner IHS on the modern Itel CPUs. We chould switch to a cooler mounted CPU retainer that the CPU/cooler then slots into the motherboard. This has a lot of theoretical benefits (the CPU can be sealed away from exposure to air humidity, allowing sub zero work, as well as integrated heaters, and structurally locking the CPU to the thing that is sharing thermal stress).
I believe it's also due to the LGA1700 CPUs being slightly thicker but they didn't make the mounting bracket higher, so it gets extra bent in the middle. Adding washers under the mounting bracket to raise it slightly is reported to give a better heatsink contact.
AIO killed the AIO, terrible build quality for the vast majority and needlessly complicated and expensive for something you never needed in the first place.
I prefer air-cooling my CPU but unfortunately I had to go for liquid AIO when the Noctua NH-D15 struggled cooling my CPU. That new AIO looking Noctua CPU cooler sounds really interesting though. If it can show results that can compete with top liquid AIOs... I would definitely consider getting one instead.
My fellow Kyle, I am thrilled to see regular uploads from you again - missed you my dude. Your particular flavour of technertainment is the best of YT.
So... what's more preferable? Buying a new cooler every time you upgrade your CPU or lapping you CPU? :3 These new SKUs yes will offer better performance, but you will basically need a new cooler for every COU upgrade, or at best your upgrade path will be extremely limited... Is Noctua the only company trying to address certain issues? Yes... But there will be customers that will use the wron SKU for the wrong CPU and temps will be higher than just using a completely flat cooler... I feel that lapping is the only way to go now... Everything else is an expensive fix...
when do we get a noctua air conditioner that can confuse an HVAC technician when he turns it on and it doesn't make any sounds before dispensing a melted austrian chocolate bar as a meter of quality assurance when the unit is working & it informs him to restock an unmelted chocolate bar.
A liquid going through many vapor-liquid-vapor phases will also cause the liquid to evaporate outside of the locked loop and degrade with many cycles, i dunno how this is more efficient than AIO maybe the only upside is no need for pump.
Please go outside and touch grass. Get some sun, lift heavy weights. Spend time with the guys , upskill. Change your career. Talk to a real live human woman. Click off this video without finishing it and go be an adult somewhere in the real world.
Finally, I always want Noctua making laptop and router cooler and PSU. I like CM's design but I am never a fan of their.. fans. Now one more thing I want them to make is PC cases.
I've always used Noctua products as they are the gold standard and everyone else is just an alternative. They are cheaper options out there but some of us don't like minimum wage junk in our PCs. Talking to you crappy Corsair.
So basically they made a heat pump'ish type of design for a pc. But just using ambient moisture in the air. What happens if you live in extremely dry areas?
Nice contribution, but never in life does the development at noctua take only one year when something is in prototype status. This new AiO concept will certainly take a good while until it is perfect among all the points that noctua sets itself and the product.
I'd much rather have a portable and not mounted desk fan which also has a rechargeable battery. That's the only kind I use for anything since I can take it with me and it helps alot if the power goes out in the Summer.
"Mount it under your desk." Noctua made a crotch cooler. These are the advancements I want to hear about.
friggin' genius i say.
HOLY SHIT, @Bitwit, pls pin this genius idea
*instructions unclear meme*
As a Florida guy, that's not a bad idea 😂. Noctua might be onto something here.
Swamp ass cooler
A seasonic noctua collaboration?!? *insert rainbow drool*
The thermosiphon concept is what the IceGiant with Prosiphon Elite released 3 or 4 years back. The benefit of Noctua's is that the heatsink isn't blocking the top half of the motherboard. The benefit of IceGiant's is that you don't have hoses (which I imagine the coolant could leak from). The vapor is entirely locked into the metal pipes attached to the heatsink.
I have the IceGiant, and it performs extremely well with my 5950X. I can peg my CPU at 100% with video encoding as it hovers between 4.5-4.6GHz and see temps stay in high 70s/low 80s.
I don't think the coolant is any more likely to leak from a Noctua thermosiphon vs the IceGiant. The Thermosiphon is a sealed system, and with good quality control and design, followed by TESTING after manufacturing I think the odds that a leak would occur would be incredibly LOW... and glad you like your IceGiant (it is pretty neat concept), but it gets about 2degC higher temperatures vs the Noctua NH-D15 SE so it's pretty much in line with the $33 (USD) cooler like the Thermalright Peerless Assassin SE.
@@photonboy999 ,
"The Thermosiphon is a sealed system, and with good quality control and design, followed by TESTING after manufacturing I think the odds that a leak would occur would be incredibly LOW"
Cool! Thanks for the clarification on that. That definitely makes the Noctua solution more compelling to me.
In regards to performance compared to Noctua NH-D15, you're correct for most consumer uses (including my own). Where there is a slight benefit to the IceGiant is over extended periods. Due to its huge heatsink design, its heat-soaking allows it better sustained heat dissipation and higher boost clocks on a prolonged, single run at high temps. So, if it encoded a video for many hours, the Noctua would gradually fall behind, though it would start out winning for a while. Most benchmarks don't account for this.
Noctua's fans are definitely quieter. Admittedly, the IceGiant's performance isn't good enough for the price. Thankfully, I was an early adopter and preordered it at a much lower price than it can be bought now (
@@photonboy999 IceGiant, even in its current iteration, has a product which pulls way ahead under high wattage loads. I'm sure the D15 is better on a 65W processor. Put it on Threadripper and it's not even close. That means that IceGiant has some work to do, and the current design they are working on looks very similar to what Noctua has here. Noctua is literally trying to push a new competitor out of the market before they get too strong with a disruptive idea.
Something tells me the "competitive" $150 NH-D15 G2 is still not going to look well at the side of the $35 Thermalright Peerless Assasin...
Yep, this was my first thought.
More like their $40 Phantom Spirit Evo, which is even further ahead of the Peerless Assassin in terms of performance.
I’m sure it will win the noise normalized tests, which is the market Noctua is going after.
Nah noctua all the way, way quieter and the best customer support/experience I've ever had. They've sent me multiple free kits for new CPU sockets, zero questions asked.
@CianMcsweeney Full vouch, they replied really quickly and sent me some extra mounting parts no questions asked. Noctua ride or die for life
Lga1856 will come with a ILM shim to do the same effect as the washers.
8:00 my dad used to make these all the time from scraps lmao!
Very nice. Intersting that the fans are now being used in a more consumer oriented way.
Amazing stuff. Wondering what's going on with the upcoming Ryzen 9 - would they have similar weird plate and would the CCDs bi similarly positioned?!
@5:15 so that's basically how fridges work. Sounds like a liquid/gas with a low boiling point. But you said it was reliant on gravity to work? Hmm, so that would limit it to always mounting above the CPU/motherboard. Fridges have a compressor for a reason but maybe when it's this small, it can work.
Great having you back ser, one love.
very cool. that non aio cooler is brilliant
Was wanting to build a new PC next year but looks like I might be waiting a little longer for the G2 Chromax
Ah, according to a Noctua rep on Reddit it looks like Q1/Q2 2025 for the cooler
Is there a noctua stand fan and ceiling fan?
Dude! I love that BMW M3 you are riding in at the beginning of the video!
We need to see a Noctua Auto edition, where they design airflow for automobile manufactures to optimize airflow and cooling efficiency where we nee dit most in every day use in Texas summer heat!
so noctua is making gentle typhoons now?
Kyle at Computex is always the best.
Isn't that chart just describing exactly how heatpipes already work though?
i always choose noctua its hard to change to another brand...for air cooler... the heatsinks are top notch
Noctua should find a wood grain that matches the color of their brown perfectly. Then they can keep with the trend, maybe get on some peoples radar they wouldnt otherwise, but stay true to Noctua lol.
I was thinking the same. Put 2 of those fans under my laptop. I have a 13950HX and the laptop is very loud
Looking forward to it
This is why I stay subscribed to bitwit. No shock “journalism”. No need to drum up drama for views. Just talks about tech and gadgets in an easy to understand format. Stay classy Kyle!
Also, that’s not an HTPC. It’s an A/V receiver. But I guess the net result is the same 👍
Color me EXTREMELY interested. If it lives to the hype. It's a BUY for me!
Noctua is such a neat company
Why is there a discord noise at 5:19
Following Noctua development for a while now.. I would have never imagined how complicated it is to design a fan. Simply though the fan-blades are some simple injection-moulded peaces of basic plastic.
But if you try to minimize the gap to the frame for pressure/noise-optimization ... need to consider this fan must still work in temperature ranges from -10° to maybe 90° without starting to touch the frame... has centrifugal forces affecting it for years... you get a glimpse of the challenges the engineers had to overcome and why they need so much time... and why high-end fans cost 5x as much, as cheap no-names.
thermalright laughing to this 😬
So it is a phase change AIO. AIO only stands for all in one.
First, Noctua case fans.
Second, Noctua CPU coolers.
Third, Noctua Edition GPUs.
Fourth, Noctua Edition PSUs.
Finally, Noctua case, to put all the other parts in - dare we dream?
i hawk tuah on that Noctua
No, Its not from Sardinia
ah yes poop brown and army tan my favorite colors..
Cool gadgets
W NOCTUA!!!
Noctua can't kill the AIO if they don't have any current plans to release that pump less thing
This doesn't mean they killed aios. Air cooling will never kill water cooling that's just stupid.
AIO = All In One.
How is that Phase Changing cooler not All In One?
branding!
Yeah but AIO is almost synonymous with water cooling these days.
150 sound alot and well surely for many is but when you consider that you most certainly can use that cooler 10 or maybe even 20 years and maybe have to get only a new fan or a mounting bracket, its value skyrockets. and even if there are some coolers that can deliver a few degrees better performance, do you really need it for a normal gaming rig? honestly you dont as long as the cooler is within a certain spectrum of cooling and noise. i have a nhd 15 and i am glad to not really have to think about it anymore. i dont care if my cpu reaches 60 or 63 while gaming. i only care about reliability. and no aio or custom water cooling can give me that peace of mind
WOW !!!! I really like the old, dry fades colours, just picked it out of the garbage look Noctua is going for. before the colours were as ugly as a 1960s hippy couch but now they have this dry coating of jiz on them! Truly brave noctua i commend you for making something to intentionally push away your customers and somehow youre not bankrupt LMAO
Noctua………….just too damn expensive…………and Noctua is NOT the champion of air coolers. The $50.00 Thermalright “Frost Spirit”outperforms it.
So it is an AIO😂
Why brown ?
😂 Killed the AIO? Somehow I see a lot of birthing person boards with solder breaks with that much weight cantilevered off the CPU area.
Sometimes, when something hasn't been done before, it's not because nobody thought of it before; sometimes, there are valid reasons.
This is so non-sense (and ofc this is all an ad). Don't buy that, just a good cpu cooler from other brands and thats it.
Cool fan but the classic poop color has never been great
HAHAHAHA you think this kills the AIO ... ya no thank you. It's impossible to make an air cool fan as quite as a radiator fan. That's just physics. I'll take the more stable, consistent, and almost always better performing AIO. Been using AIO's in a dozen home servers for well over a decade. Never had a leak, never lost a motor, never lost performance. If it happens, it happens rare enough that I'm not concerned. AIO's are better in every possible way IMO
5:18 "thermophison" lol
It's German, clearly😂
@@RyTrapp0 Bernhard Kümel build it first... maybe?
i knowww :(
thermo siphon, not phison. In theory It's just an air cooler with flexible heatpipes. I'm kinda surprised nobody thought of that sooner
@@goatman86 we know it's siphon. Kyle said phison in the video lol.
How is it not an All In One (AIO) or Closed loop Cooler (CLC), just because it does not have a pump?
It's a heat pump, like an airconditioner. Uses evaporation/phase change to cool. I would still call it an AIO because it's all in one, but i understand why they want to deferentiate, since in PC cooling AIO or CLC refers to something specific.
@@Rok_Satanas Also probably not as effective as if it it had a Pump. But still interesting since it can be good enough with less noise perhaps.
@@laggmonstret Sure, but noctua is known for Good enough silent performance, so i understand why they didn't put one in
@@Rok_Satanas Certainly :D
Definitely a CLC, but not an AIO
Did Lyle come along?
Awesome that a company is finally looking into some stand alone fan solutions. I too am in a similar boat with my htpc demanding more cooling...I have already got 2x120mm fans mounted at the bottom of my cabinet with a grill up top but without some extra push, the heat doesn't escape quickly enough. So looking forward to that video of how you are going to implement them on you're setup.
Love the coverage dude, always glad to see you uploading!
I cut 4x 140mm holes in the back of my entertainment cabinet and mounted Noctua fans with grills. The intake fans are towards the bottom and have a magnetic filter. The exhaust fans are up towards the top and just have grills. Since I don't have to worry about dust, I am using a test bench frame to hold the computer. This setup keeps my HTPC nice and cool.
to this new kind of cooler> there is no such thing like "hey, this is a new product and maybe next year...". If Noctua shows this now for the first time, your children might buy it once.
The Psu and desk fan are awesome.
I love thermosiphon cooling. I have the IceGiant on my 5900X and never see it get above 80. Beast of a cooler. Nice to see some competition in the space.
Noctua is well qualified to represent the LBC 😂
The first thing that came to mind for me too 😆
i wonder how can 150$ air cooler kill 70$ liquid freezer III 280 ...
Icegiant already released the Titan 360 that does the exact same thing.
Stop worshipping Noctua. They did nothing new here.
I think the thermalrite is king atm as its $35 which has better performance than this vooler thats 3x as nuch...
Snoop Dogg would choose the LBC cooler.
The modular desk fan system would be great for adding a filter, so that it could be placed on a bench to direct soldering smoke away from you while soldering medium-to-large boards or handwired circuits. I kludged together something for this using a desktop gooseneck mic stand and a 120mm fan, and this desktop stand would have been SO much better.
For some reason your voice sounds like Jayztwocents in this. Totally thought I was watching a J2C video there for a sec lol
Now I can't unhear it hahaha
Some of those extra accessories look like they could easily be sold as 3D Print files. Imagine being able to just buy the files and 3D print your own adapters. That'd be cool.
Some actually are on Noctua's Printables profile, right there for you to print at no cost :)
@@BobDrenth Indeed. Great move by Noctua.
@@BobDrenththat's why I still buy their fans, they care about their customers.
Pump failing in AiO… thats why I use artic aio. 100 bucks for a 360mm and 6 years of warrenty😉
Lovely company that is definitely focused on the customer. I hope they stay like that
Love the video man.
I forgot how much I loved these kinds of videos
considering its only a prototype... NO they did not kill the AIO.... YET.... I hope it becomes a product because I can't stand AIOs and Watercooling... too much maintenance for me to care to deal with them. I will be upgrading to their new 140 air cooler when I go to the AM5 platform!
check out IceGiant
acrtic ftw
So basically an AIO without a pump? so one less possible point of failure, and no pump noise. Nice!
Thank You Kyle!
That new AIO is basically how an air conditioner works. Probably has some refrigerant in it.
It's unpowered though.
+mitchtalmadge, writes _That new AIO is basically how an air conditioner works."_
Or a fridge.
@@kylekermgard, writes _"It's unpowered though."_
Which makes it much less efficient.
im thinking its just an air cooler in a aio chassis. its pretty much the same principle. im sure it has a different liquid but its similar enough in my mind...
yes, its a refrigeration cycle, its going to need some sort of refrigerant. idk how this works tho without a compressor and expansion valve
I think it’s more like they replaced the “heat pipes” of an air cooler with something else
Noctua and Seasonic working together on Seasonic's PRIME PSU's is just sheer perfection. There are no better power supplies than Seasonic PRIME PSU's, I am currently using a PRIME PX-1000 (2021) and 4x Noctua Industrial iPPC fans on my radiator, both are absolutely stellar in build quality and performance.
Fan-See stuff there.
Wouldn't there still be the issue of leaking seeing as there is liquid inside. Plus wouldnt the gas leech out over time making it less efficient to the point where it no longer works?
it has solid metal tubing. no evaporation or leaks. this is the same type of design used in industrial applications that lasts 50 yrs+ without service. PC use pioneered by IceGiant, not noctua.
Noctua CPU cooler thermal past with stick to your CPU and rip it out of its socket. Bent my 3700x CPU up and it has not run as good since. Thanks, Noctua for not coving it. Will never buy Noctua stuff again.
I still feel the high-end Tower cooler market is too niche. Too much weight on the M/B IMO, along with the TR Towers.
I want to see high pressure AIOs next!
While these large air coolers do a fantastic job there is no getting around the fact the main reason many don't want to use them...they are freakin huge and cover up most of the motherboard.
That desk fan would be good for us sim racers / flyers!
Naaah, new d15...it's too big, can not install ram cooling with it...
I love Noctua products buts 150 dollars for an Air cooler is taking the piss.
Noctua fanboys are so dramatic.
They have competition. They haven't killed anything.
The concavity of LGA 1700 isn't by design of the chip, it is how the same old cpu retainer that they designed in the 90s deforms the thinner IHS on the modern Itel CPUs. We chould switch to a cooler mounted CPU retainer that the CPU/cooler then slots into the motherboard. This has a lot of theoretical benefits (the CPU can be sealed away from exposure to air humidity, allowing sub zero work, as well as integrated heaters, and structurally locking the CPU to the thing that is sharing thermal stress).
I believe it's also due to the LGA1700 CPUs being slightly thicker but they didn't make the mounting bracket higher, so it gets extra bent in the middle. Adding washers under the mounting bracket to raise it slightly is reported to give a better heatsink contact.
AIO killed the AIO, terrible build quality for the vast majority and needlessly complicated and expensive for something you never needed in the first place.
I prefer air-cooling my CPU but unfortunately I had to go for liquid AIO when the Noctua NH-D15 struggled cooling my CPU. That new AIO looking Noctua CPU cooler sounds really interesting though. If it can show results that can compete with top liquid AIOs... I would definitely consider getting one instead.
My fellow Kyle, I am thrilled to see regular uploads from you again - missed you my dude. Your particular flavour of technertainment is the best of YT.
I concur
So... what's more preferable? Buying a new cooler every time you upgrade your CPU or lapping you CPU? :3 These new SKUs yes will offer better performance, but you will basically need a new cooler for every COU upgrade, or at best your upgrade path will be extremely limited...
Is Noctua the only company trying to address certain issues? Yes... But there will be customers that will use the wron SKU for the wrong CPU and temps will be higher than just using a completely flat cooler... I feel that lapping is the only way to go now... Everything else is an expensive fix...
Yeahhh Noctua entering the destillary market 🤣🤣🤣
when do we get a noctua air conditioner that can confuse an HVAC technician when he turns it on and it doesn't make any sounds before dispensing a melted austrian chocolate bar as a meter of quality assurance when the unit is working & it informs him to restock an unmelted chocolate bar.
A liquid going through many vapor-liquid-vapor phases will also cause the liquid to evaporate outside of the locked loop and degrade with many cycles, i dunno how this is more efficient than AIO maybe the only upside is no need for pump.
That "AIO" has all the upside of a typical cooler without the downside. What's a price tag ya'll thinking? About $400?
Please go outside and touch grass. Get some sun, lift heavy weights. Spend time with the guys , upskill. Change your career. Talk to a real live human woman. Click off this video without finishing it and go be an adult somewhere in the real world.
Finally, I always want Noctua making laptop and router cooler and PSU. I like CM's design but I am never a fan of their.. fans. Now one more thing I want them to make is PC cases.
You must know that ASUS is screwing their customers. Most reviewers have abandoned ASUS. Do you not know this?
Perhaps the CPU manufacturers should take some care to manufacture flatter ihs...
I've always used Noctua products as they are the gold standard and everyone else is just an alternative. They are cheaper options out there but some of us don't like minimum wage junk in our PCs. Talking to you crappy Corsair.
So basically they made a heat pump'ish type of design for a pc. But just using ambient moisture in the air. What happens if you live in extremely dry areas?
One problem with Thermosiphon coolers is that they can't work if your MB/case is inverted.
Nice contribution, but never in life does the development at noctua take only one year when something is in prototype status.
This new AiO concept will certainly take a good while until it is perfect among all the points that noctua sets itself and the product.
I'd much rather have a portable and not mounted desk fan which also has a rechargeable battery. That's the only kind I use for anything since I can take it with me and it helps alot if the power goes out in the Summer.
To bad the Noctua NH-D15 G2 is available for the AM4 platform with the offset bracket.