@@cymraegpunk1420 umm no flood gates for immigration open. Bankrupt country, NHS and internal services collapse. Housing shortage. London centric, wars. Breaking up of our United Kingdom. Human rights laws The list goes on and on. We are living with blairs problems all these years down the line. The good Friday agreement was a John major and previous Conservative govt idea.
@@chucky2316 wtf are you on about, the good friday agreement was completely a new labour idea, there had been previous attempts at peace but certainly not on those grounds. The NHS (and most other services) where in far better shape than they are now. The wars where certainly unnecessary though and a tarnish on their legacy.
@@cymraegpunk1420 wrong the good Friday agreement was a John majors govt idea it was already on the table. In regards to the NHS it was on its knees in blairs time because of the abuse it suffered. Along with our welfare state. Ohh yea I forgot Tony also sold our gold reserves at Rock bottom prices and sold off peoples pension funds all of it funded the so called new Labour blair boom years. Worst pm in Britain's history. I was a young guy in those years I went from having a stable career to finding Johnny foreigner had been taken on. And I'm not alone I'm waiting for the guy to pop his clogs so I can dance and celebrate I will be celebrating with the iraqis Afghans and Serbs no doubt on that day
31:40 'The Sun would go down on him...' Hmmmm, I'm not sure that phrasing evoked the image the narrator was aiming for...at least for American audiences...Those words make us think the publisher of The Sun was getting ready to put a nice smile on the PM's face.
Fantastic documentary demonstrating both how ignorant Blair was of his own political movement and how he put a bomb under the British constitution with devolution. What’s more a man like Roy Jenkins who was far more intelligent than Blair couldn’t see through the shallowness of Blair . All very fascinating.
I don't know in what world devolution to Scotland fails to happen. It was indeed the 'settled will' of the Scottish people by the 1990s and it was clearly going to happen as soon as the Conservatives lost power. And it has been very administratively successful: even with an SNP government there have been no great feuds between the Scottish and UK governments over who has the right to do what.
@@DBIVUK I like you see no other outcome as of now. Indeed as a conservative (not a Conservative Party voter, never confuse those two) I’m in favour of having the thing settled before the next election one way or t’other. If not we could have a case where the SNP put labour into government (something I’m still convinced a majority of people in England don’t want) and then leaves the union. I’d slightly disagree as to it being the settled will of Scots back in the 90s. The notion of Scottish independence I’ve always felt is a consequence of the general decline of Britain as an economic, military and come to that social power. There wasn’t much talk of independence at the start of the 20th century when we were still the worlds largest economy and had the worlds largest navy. If Blair had properly re industrialised the old coal and steel manufacturing parts of the UK, instead of spaffing money away on foreign wars, an out of date health care system and flooding said health care system with hundreds of thousands of migrants a year, then all this could’ve been avoided. Alas we are where we are.
Blair getting the UK involved in the war in the Iraq is basically all he'll be remembered for. The improvement in the NHS, education, child poverty and public services has all but been forgotten. Even having a minimum wage was opposed by the Tories at the time. Increase in Police numbers and having tougher prison sentences.
Agreed. Phil Cool christened him Splatter me Hattersley! A very petty man it turns out with a significant inferiority complex. Enoch Powell used to flat foot him on a regular basis (both Midlands MPs when that area was starting to decline). For whatever reason I always regard Hattersley as a Labour version of Heseltine. Both of them not up to much & both totally wrong about Europe.
In 1964, he became Labour MP for Birmingham Sparkbrook. Then, it was 95% white. Today, it's 95% brown. No wonder voters hate, loathe and despise Labour; they are despicable and rotten to the core.
If the UK had not joined the Euro, it would have had a depression in 2008-2010. However, the high levels of Euro-denominated debt and the dependency on the EU would have avoided Brexit, and I think we all agree that Brexit was the worst mistake in British politics since the unprovoked attack on Germany in 1939.
Stephen Twigg ....mmmmmm - nice man at 0:52 .....I nearly ran him over once (haha 'accidentally' of course) when he crossed the road in front of me - head buried in a book.
I remember meeting him at one of the very first Progress events (or it may have been the Fabian Society now I think) at Waterstones in Islington Green in summer 1996. He had been selected but didn't look like he was remotely expecting to win Enfield Southgate. But you'll have to leave off him, as he's on our side of the church.
That night - 1/2 May 1997 - where Blair declared (on the back of a 43% vote for his party) that he was the leader of the "people's party" was as near to fascism as Britain ever got. Even Thatcher in her pomp never declared herself 'the people's choice' or her party 'the people's party'. She had a modicum of propriety but Tony Blair merrily declared himself Il Duce, elected by the people's will, on the back of 43% of the vote. And no-one pointed this out! No journalists or political commentators quibbled with any of this. Though Blair had been elected - popular vote - about as much as Major had in 1992. Difference is, Major in 1992 did not declare himself the messiah. Blair essentially did.
Frankly, that's a ludicrous objection. Blair was asserting Labour was the people's party from the time he was elected to lead it 1994, and the phrase is far earlier than that. Blair's actual message after the 1997 landslide was that Labour should remember to be accountable to the voters. Labour is the people's party because it was founded by the people. not the elites who aligned as Tory and Whig that developed into the other parties. What measures the success of a party is not the popular vote but the Parliamentary majority it gets: that's what allows it to govern.
New Labour did plenty of good for the UK.
Hmm no
@@chucky2316 the good friday agreement, devolution, sure start all very good for the country.
@@cymraegpunk1420 umm no flood gates for immigration open. Bankrupt country, NHS and internal services collapse. Housing shortage. London centric, wars. Breaking up of our United Kingdom. Human rights laws The list goes on and on. We are living with blairs problems all these years down the line. The good Friday agreement was a John major and previous Conservative govt idea.
@@chucky2316 wtf are you on about, the good friday agreement was completely a new labour idea, there had been previous attempts at peace but certainly not on those grounds. The NHS (and most other services) where in far better shape than they are now. The wars where certainly unnecessary though and a tarnish on their legacy.
@@cymraegpunk1420 wrong the good Friday agreement was a John majors govt idea it was already on the table. In regards to the NHS it was on its knees in blairs time because of the abuse it suffered. Along with our welfare state. Ohh yea I forgot Tony also sold our gold reserves at Rock bottom prices and sold off peoples pension funds all of it funded the so called new Labour blair boom years. Worst pm in Britain's history. I was a young guy in those years I went from having a stable career to finding Johnny foreigner had been taken on. And I'm not alone I'm waiting for the guy to pop his clogs so I can dance and celebrate I will be celebrating with the iraqis Afghans and Serbs no doubt on that day
how little did we know back then
Political movements always decay after time. That shouldn't be a surprise.
well until iraq blair was a good pm
Yes, Old Demon Eyes,...so, so true.
31:40 'The Sun would go down on him...'
Hmmmm, I'm not sure that phrasing evoked the image the narrator was aiming for...at least for American audiences...Those words make us think the publisher of The Sun was getting ready to put a nice smile on the PM's face.
Fantastic documentary demonstrating both how ignorant Blair was of his own political movement and how he put a bomb under the British constitution with devolution. What’s more a man like Roy Jenkins who was far more intelligent than Blair couldn’t see through the shallowness of Blair . All very fascinating.
I don't know in what world devolution to Scotland fails to happen. It was indeed the 'settled will' of the Scottish people by the 1990s and it was clearly going to happen as soon as the Conservatives lost power. And it has been very administratively successful: even with an SNP government there have been no great feuds between the Scottish and UK governments over who has the right to do what.
@@DBIVUK I like you see no other outcome as of now. Indeed as a conservative (not a Conservative Party voter, never confuse those two) I’m in favour of having the thing settled before the next election one way or t’other. If not we could have a case where the SNP put labour into government (something I’m still convinced a majority of people in England don’t want) and then leaves the union. I’d slightly disagree as to it being the settled will of Scots back in the 90s. The notion of Scottish independence I’ve always felt is a consequence of the general decline of Britain as an economic, military and come to that social power. There wasn’t much talk of independence at the start of the 20th century when we were still the worlds largest economy and had the worlds largest navy.
If Blair had properly re industrialised the old coal and steel manufacturing parts of the UK, instead of spaffing money away on foreign wars, an out of date health care system and flooding said health care system with hundreds of thousands of migrants a year, then all this could’ve been avoided. Alas we are where we are.
0:31 How did the producers obscured the BBC Logo
Easy, in editing.
Blair getting the UK involved in the war in the Iraq is basically all he'll be remembered for. The improvement in the NHS, education, child poverty and public services has all but been forgotten. Even having a minimum wage was opposed by the Tories at the time. Increase in Police numbers and having tougher prison sentences.
As if anyone can do good or bad, it's obviously a matter of opinion
Is it not extraordinary that a tv station produces such a biased programme? No hint of balance.
Channel 4 biased?
2:13 Family Feud theme? What’s going on there...
2024 will be 1997 all over again
Roy Hattersly what a prat! who now thinks not joining the Euro was a mistake? did he ever get anything right?
Agreed. Phil Cool christened him Splatter me Hattersley! A very petty man it turns out with a significant inferiority complex. Enoch Powell used to flat foot him on a regular basis (both Midlands MPs when that area was starting to decline). For whatever reason I always regard Hattersley as a Labour version of Heseltine. Both of them not up to much & both totally wrong about Europe.
@@roddyteague6246 Brilliant comment Roddy.
In 1964, he became Labour MP for Birmingham Sparkbrook.
Then, it was 95% white. Today, it's 95% brown.
No wonder voters hate, loathe and despise Labour;
they are despicable and rotten to the core.
@@lennylaa1686 Thank you Sir.
If the UK had not joined the Euro, it would have had a depression in 2008-2010. However, the high levels of Euro-denominated debt and the dependency on the EU would have avoided Brexit, and I think we all agree that Brexit was the worst mistake in British politics since the unprovoked attack on Germany in 1939.
The best MP on there was Robin Cook. RIP.
I met Robin at a meeting in Edinburgh Conference Centre many years ago,a clever man.
Lab 1 = Labour 1 = Labour One = Labour Won
Stephen Twigg ....mmmmmm - nice man at 0:52 .....I nearly ran him over once (haha 'accidentally' of course) when he crossed the road in front of me - head buried in a book.
I remember meeting him at one of the very first Progress events (or it may have been the Fabian Society now I think) at Waterstones in Islington Green in summer 1996. He had been selected but didn't look like he was remotely expecting to win Enfield Southgate. But you'll have to leave off him, as he's on our side of the church.
since 0:46, what's the music's name?
That night - 1/2 May 1997 - where Blair declared (on the back of a 43% vote for his party) that he was the leader of the "people's party" was as near to fascism as Britain ever got. Even Thatcher in her pomp never declared herself 'the people's choice' or her party 'the people's party'.
She had a modicum of propriety but Tony Blair merrily declared himself Il Duce, elected by the people's will, on the back of 43% of the vote.
And no-one pointed this out! No journalists or political commentators quibbled with any of this. Though Blair had been elected - popular vote - about as much as Major had in 1992. Difference is, Major in 1992 did not declare himself the messiah. Blair essentially did.
Frankly, that's a ludicrous objection. Blair was asserting Labour was the people's party from the time he was elected to lead it 1994, and the phrase is far earlier than that. Blair's actual message after the 1997 landslide was that Labour should remember to be accountable to the voters. Labour is the people's party because it was founded by the people. not the elites who aligned as Tory and Whig that developed into the other parties. What measures the success of a party is not the popular vote but the Parliamentary majority it gets: that's what allows it to govern.
Cringe