Amadlozi Lesson 2: The Mndawe/Ndau Spirit [Online Spiritual School via Instagram Live]
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- Ibrahim Khoza joins us on IG Live to unpack the Mndawe/Ndau ancestral spirit.
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Thokoza Gogo. Thank you. About people disappering in the water , growing up in Zimbabwe we would hear stories of mermaids that stayed in certain waters that would abduct someone and make them thwasa under the water. If someone was abducted they would go through certain tests and then come back as a healer. The family was not supposed to cry instead they would offer traditional beer and the child would return after some days. If they cried or if the child shunned the teachings they would turn up dead on the waters. So there are specific dams, underground pools etc where these spirits stay and these places are supposed to be kept sacred. They are believed to be foreign spirits that came into contact through trade. They accompany the blood ancestors. I hope it helps a bit in understanding the water disappearances
Thokoza Gogo, I've also read about this. One of the tests is the Nzuza spirit giving you mud or insects to eat to determine how serious you are about your calling. It's quiet fascinating and put a lot of things into perspective for me about my own life and calling.
Bhotani badala!!I am Xhosa, we have the same belief as well, in my village we have a dam under the rocks that takes people for ukuthwasa, we were warned by adults when we were kids, we not allowed to swim there in case you get taken. Sometimes you can dream of that dam sitting inside that water. It's such a mystery because we had a drought in 1986, water was scarce and that dam was the only one with water, we had to make a ritual to beg the water spirits to give us water and allow the animals to drink as well.
How are we related to the Israelites? I noticed that they also use animal totems.. e.g, tribe of judah's totem is lion/tau/mdau as well. So its possible we might be from Israel.. bible says at around 3 or 2000 bc, all Israelites were kicked out of Israel and replaced by foreigners (arabs/Indians).
anyway what is the meaning of dlamini?
Apologies, this is not a pretext for discord, we are merely sharing our thoughts. Seen from Busi's perspective the framework of Ukutwasa seems to take on negative connotations. Terms such as "abducted" and "dead" used in conjunction with Ukutwasa really distort the meaning of Ukutwasa, which, means "the light of the new moon" or ku mu twasisa "to lead to the light". By "light", we do not believe that it is inferred the light which emanates from the plane wherein the mermaid spirits reside where it is said itwasa is taken. This is the lesser light corresponding to the lesser plane. The ritual choreography of Ukutwasa today opens the psychic body to this plane and it is wrong. There are indeed individuals who have been abducted, fed material from that plane and consequently regain consciousness underwater. Sometimes people venture into the water through an outer body experience sometimes they enter with their physical bodies and persist for years, months or days, time is relative in this context, the ability of the physical body to survive down there is based on the transmutation of mans elements, your basic building components of the physical body. WHAT WE ARE ESSENTIALLY SAYING HERE IS THAT THE ACTIVITIES WHICH ARE TRANSPIRING WITHIN THE WATER ARE NOT GOOD AND WE CAN PROVE IT.
@@katlegoseanmahaye3309 you sound like a troll.
I am Ndau from Chipinge, Border Mozambique and Zimbabwe. Quite insightful. Thokoza. I loved this...
Hi
This guy is a treasure. Absolutely loved this and resonated with most of what he says. Appreciate it lots, from the East (Kenya)
This is one person who is so knowledge and explains every matter in detail . I will never forget session he had about Abalozi which was so enlightening. I can listen to him for days . He is. True teacher , Siyabonga 🙏🏾
this was very profound and informative. I can't wait to hear more about the Inzunza spirit.
My grandfather is from Swaziland and moved to Zimbabwe and married ndau from chipinge. They are Hlatswayos
Thank you for mixing with English 🙏🏾
Thokozani eMakhosi 🙏🏿
Pre-initiation story
One day I felt tired of life and Joburg and I just moved to Venda resigned from my job telephonically which was a total shoch to everyone. I had no blood relatives, knew no one and for a person who's never lived outside Gauteng before I loved every single thing about it and felt at home (I still do) though I didn't understand what the cause that was but thanks to Afrosavy I understand why.
The Dlozi that has protected me all my life is from the Dlamini which is my grandmothers surname and because my dad was born in Kwazulu Natal but a Swaziland descendent I didn't understand why I am dominated and led by the Ndau spirit.
Everything happens for a reason🙏🏿
Thank you for your great work.
Thokoza Gogo...This is what I have been seeking all my life. Thank you for such a clear explanation. Ndauwe!
Thokozani...This is my spirit I also have royal ancestors I embody the male spirit I'm a female... He prefers I do things his own way alone its hard but worth it full of wealth and health lol pride too . I am proud of my roots
Thokoza...cant get enough of Mkhulu Ibrahim. So much knowledge that he posses. Thank you so much for this opportunity.
The snake came to me with my water ceremony. It kissed me in the forehead. Ancestor was there with me and he spoke a language I could not recognize. Later I asked him and I regignised the chindawu language from what he explained to me what an amazing experience
A real snake? 🤯
@@Nokss87 🤣🤣🤣my thoughts exactly.
Please tell more...
Thokoza BoGogo. I grately apreciate your lessons in English. You have both helped document and explain a very important area. I better understand myself as a healer. Ndauwe!! (France🇫🇷)
Hey
A sister from France too 😁
Thokoza 🙏🏾
Lots and lots of love my Africa / French connection 🇿🇦🌷🌹💐🌈
Thokoza gogo...thank you for doing this video, i was recently told i have a calling and i have a mndau spirit, this lesson was very informative...and although i feel a little confused, lost and alone at times...i know my ancestors will make sure everything works out
Im so grateful to gogo simenjalo and Afrosavvy team my spirituality and self esteem has improved drastically ...ngithi akuqubeke kwande KAKHULU KAKHULU Emakhosini Tkz,👏👏👏👏👏
👏🏽👏🏽
Thank u so much bantu abadala. I’m hooked onto these teaching
segments 🌊❤️🙏🏻
mind blowing, a lot of things are making sense now. Hence l normally have water dreams.
The part about not bearing children and having back pains broke my heart
Gogo Simenjalo, you have made my evening! Going through all of this without parents to explain or give answers is hard enough but the knowledge you bestow upon us has been very helpful. Ndauwe Gogo
Thokozani Gogo, please add subtitles to those of us that don’t understand. We value these greatly!
I understood all the other dream signs, I just never understood why I'd dream about Indian & White people, I made my own guesses, but thank you for just confirming things. This Lesson was good, you are truly well-versed.
Let me shed light here. The Ndau´s or the Ndauwe people are found in the Eastern Zimbabwe all the way to the central part of Mozambique. In Zimbabwe they are most located in Chipinge, Mossirizwi, South Darwin, Mount Celinda and other areas. In Mozambique are found in Manica province (Mussurize district, Sussundenga District and Chimoio City), Sofala province (Machaze District, Chibabava District, Machanga District, Buzi District, Beira City) and Inhambane province (Govuro Districts). As you can see Ndau´s are mostly found in Mozambique. Ndau itsself is a Nguni tribe one of the oldest. Some of the Ndau sirnames are: Tivana/Mlambo/Muyambo/Cibi, Sithole, Mushanga, Mashava/Machava, Makuyana, Simango, Dhliwayo. The Ndau language is considered to be part of the Shona language. If you are a Ndau and you have spirits you will always speak Ndau in your spirits even if you grew up being lied that you are a Suthu or whatever tribe you were told. The Ndau people are well known to know traditional herbs, they know how to command the water to heal, known how to command the air and sand as part of healing. As a Ndau you need to know how your Sirname is related to the mantioned nature. I am a Ndau myself.
Hi, can you please explain why the mdau spirit is known to destroy when you don’t acknowledge it. This is the part I find most confusing
Thokozani bogogo nabomkhulu, this lesson is so powerful, ngifunde lukhulu about the Ndau spirit, things that I identify with and some questions that I've always had were answered, I cant wait to hear how Indau and Inzunza interrelate as uMkhulu mentioned,
Are there books with this information, i really feel like its time these things be documented. Such should actually be taught in school if we're being honest. Sikhathele ama american revolution. I feel robbed
Very true
Nupuqi Om-Re Khonectics chamber degrees will guide you
Amen 🙏🏾 Thabang.
This video is a form of documentation. This series is kind of structured as a book. As long as you’re actively learning and taking notes, you’ll be fine. They structured this extremely well and it builds a solid conceptual framework. Additionally, you can check out the work of Umsamo Institute - they’re also pretty solid and they have the same principles and values of AfroSavvy
I agree with u. Western ways have overtaken our sense of self
Camagwini bo Gogo /Mkhulu... Rea leboha ka thuto e monate Afrosavvy 🙌 Lesedi kganya
Mina whenever I see these snakes and mermaids in my dream.they are protecting me. I also dreamed sitting with a white lady talking about business.i ddnt know whose business was that..few month later I registered my company 😇👏.
This person has blessed me with alot of information
Thank you for this, most people think, there is no family Ndau
The Ndau people in Chipinge in what is now known as Zimbabwe originate from what is now KwaZulu Natal. They were under their most able leader called Soshangane.
This is correct ☺️
Thokoza Gogo, wawuu this is so informative. Amaphupho ngamanzi namalwandle all the time nabe lungu. I can't believe what i'm listening to. Siyathokoza Bomkhulu!
Thokoza Bogogo Bam,
I am so grateful for the videos now my lifr makes sense and I am very much eager to learn more. You do not know how relieved I am to learn about ancestors. I have completed ukuthwasa but things did not go well for me now I am all alone in this journey. Ancestors do talk to me but I do not understand or how to interpret what they are saying. But now I am more determined to plea with my ancestors to help me in my journey. I thank you I thank you.
Thokozan bantu abdala... I'm glad I tuned in... Shuu Yaz mkhul when utlk about da River at Msapain one of my dreams I ws tld kuty ngiye khona kuMama sban bani yoo can't blv into e Deep so.... I guess my ancestors where telling me kuty uMndzawe wami ulapho
Thogoza Gogo noMkhulu.
So helpful, it's like you were talking to me at the end of the video. What you said exactly happening to me, I alway had a painful lower back from childhood and my elders could not understand because they believed that lower back pains only affect abantu abadala mostly women. Even now I can stand for more than 10 minutes without feeling an excruciating pain on my lower pack.
And as for mud🙈 yoooooooh! I'm a guy and I always crave umhlabathi, I even secretly eat it. And lately I even had a dream eating a river mud!
I haven't thwasared yet and I know that I have to go and thwasa. I always dreams of rivers, lakes and seas. I always dream of river snakes /mermaids taking me down to the river banks. U said that snakes in the dream are peaceful but mine are not.
I would had loved to know about the ndawo diet.
I have always asked myself why would i have a Ndau spirit whereas i don't have the blood ties. I learnt a lot today.
Yes, just like the river in Aliwal North, called iqili, most sangomas has disappeared from the river and never seen again. But some people have a way of asking for permission to enter the Waters.
Suddenly my Life makes sense
Time run out l could have loved to know the diet of the Ndau spirit cause l suffer with that.
Me too
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Lesedi Batho ba Baholo! This was very informative 👏
This is amazing teachings. Thank you so much for this, i wish our education systems taught us more about our roots like this.
Wow that was superb 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Very profound 🧐
thokozani mkhulu, igama lam ngingunyoka yamanzi, ngicela ukubuza ukuthi uma amadlozi engifuna isikhumba senyoka yasemanzini, ngizosithola kanjani.and mina bangifuna ngaphansi kwamanzi angikho sure ukuthi ngizohamba isikhathi esingakanani.
Thank you so much. Really looking forward to hearing more about INzunza!❤️
Chamagu gogo niyasfundisa kakhulu❤️❤️
Thokoza. Very insightful. Thank you for your teachings 👏🏽
THOKOZA NGEMPELA
Munhle umsebeti wenu bekunene, ngeswela emafahlawane kengitsambe ngalendlela lenetfule ngayo lolulwati! Not only has it adequately informed me but it has changed my entire perception on the composition of African Spiritualism/ Madloti! Ngitsi Kwandza lwaliwa ngumtsakatsi! I'm definitely subscribing to this channel!
Thokoza.
I am Ndebele from Zimbabwe Victoria Falls, this is so insightful, Siyabonga. I am a Traditional Dancer, some dances we do include the Nguni and Ndau dances from Chipinge such as IHosana, iBhiza, Muchongoyo, Dinhe, Isitshikitsha, Jerusarema amongst others thank you for this information i am learning even more about our Roots and would like to learn more of Nguni and Ndau Battles because the relationship of he Nguni and Ndau in Zimbabwe (Ndebele and Shonas) is an interesting as well as intense one.
Thokoza!🙏🏿🔆
Thank you so much for the work that you do
Thokoza Gogo. Quite an informative insert. uMkhulu explains things so thoroughly.
Yooh Mkhulu wayibeka yacaca eyoMndau. My father is Mozambuquan and mother uMzulu. I always dream of water, white, indians and snakes. Had one huge snake in my dream just today. Your research is an eye-opener, thought-provoking, information, so educational and well-presented. I have benefited a lot. Keep up the excellent work. Nikhule kakhulu edlozini nakuyo wonke umsebenzi wenu thank you
Beautiful speakers. Beautiful teaching.👏🏽🌟
The last part of mndawe and circulating from Root chakra to sacral charkra makes sense and I think that is why they blocked me from opening my chakras by meditating it is because Umndawe is not sorted on me
Thokoza gogo no mkhulu love your chanel and very happy to see our people telling our own story , no one is perfect the end the topic needs some correction eg we today so called vha venda we not vhaRonga but we are Vha-Kalanga and as for Ndau people they are just that Vhandau very proud about uMhulu 94% of what ubaba he is saying is rite
.. yooooh yooooh yoooh.. Phakaaaaaama AFROSAVVY.. these are sooooo information.. woooooow.. ❤️❤️..
I thank you babe the way o ishaye nga khona because i understand now who i am ngiya thokoza and wona la manzi ngiya wa saba
Camagu mkulu ibrahim and gogo👏👏👏on point
Good day thank you so much for the lesson. ❤
This was very helpful ❤
Thokozani bo gogo no mkhulu...very helpful siyaThokoza 👏
Greate lecture
Thokozani gogo thanks for sharing powerful message.
Thokozani 🙌🏽
This was truly enlightening
Very informative,thokozani bo gogo nabo mkhulu👏👏👏
I remember talking to Mkhulu speaking the language I don't understand I used my own language sepedi to tell him I don't understand his language the next visit he came with ugogo to translate what he's saying
Very informative lesson, siyacamagusha kuni bogogo nomkhulu👏👏
Thokoza spirit family ...i often wonder..had there not been any trauma and sad history, i wonder how spiritual evolution would have been like over the centuries. Anyone ever felt like so?
Very informative. Siyabonga
that was very informative. thank you
Thokoza bogogo nabomkhulu 👏👏👏, mkhulu said the maroon Njiti is for the Zimbabwean Ndau spirit and the Red is for the Mozambique Ndau Spirit, my question is that what if you dream both Njiti cloths the Red and Maroon what does it mean
Also it is advisable to get them both , then uphahle and allow them to explain to you why you need them both.
@@PianoGaming67D thank you 😊 . I will do just that because the cloths are literally haunting me ,I only got the maroon njiti
I need to know about Palo cloth👏👏I dreamt about it so can you please explain for me
Trying to find self, ke Mukubung wa Mahwete and my mother is from Miya family. Idlozi lami libizwani? I once dreamt of huge black snake next to the river attacking a person. braved the odd to help the person and a white person appeared to assist us escape. Lately dreamt of a brown cobra coming towards me, when i saw it it moved to emanzini and i saw it iphakamise ikhanda kodwa ingifulathele.
Thokozani, if you have inzuza do you have to start with initiating uMndau and end with the Nzuza
Powerful mukulu
Dlamini’s originally are o-Tembe from Mozambique 🇲🇿 so I can believe that they are Ndau as well banqoba ubukhosi eswatini ngempi ngoba omaseko at the time babe ngamakhosi bahlalisene namabhunu...
Utholaka kuphi uMkhulu?
Beautiful history. Thanks for sharing in such a succinct manner.. So who was ruling those people before baKwa Dlamini arrived?
@@thaboshikwambane The Maseko people then the Dlamini took over coming in from Congo into Mozambique. This is why the King can never marry a Maseko he is in fear because the the throne was stolen and he is the son of a maid. The Maseko many of them fled into Lesotho and became Masego as well. The women are usually gorgeous
@@Layla-fr7mf Wow.. thanks for the explanation. Actually heard this a few months ago too. First time hearing the Lesotho explanation - thanks for sharing your knowledge 🙏🏽
Thokoza gogo am only 23 hangata ke wela metsing and ke lla haholo and I try hore ke patle but Nothing has changed and when ever I talk about hore ke lle and I have been suffering ever seens I was at primary and I went to secondary it went worse and I was not being able to finish my matric even am home doing Nothing I don't have a way forward I really need help and when I dream I tell that water that am sorry he /she doesn't allow me to go out of water that thing is pushing me in and then I start crying and crying I used here the rats under the roof
"Sengisfundile islungu nami" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Niyasinceda gogo ngosifundisa syabulela gogo
Great Lesson👍🏽
Thokoza Gogo im from Mozambique
Thokoza Gogo, if it’s okay with you May I please connect with you 🙏🏾
@@misskellybaby1968 send friend request on facebook jane luwizhu
Ive been asking myself why I am eating so much soil. It does make a lot of sense. Thank you very much Mkhulu Ibrahim,
Interesting. Like buying “inhlabathi” as in the snack that you can buy ekasi?
What answer did you glean from the video? Interested to hear
Maybe also check your iron levels that can cause cravings for eating mud or clay it’s called PICA.
@@Esnath Exactly! I made a similar comment. We need to intentionally instil a culture of ruling out the basics before we get to sacred matters. Too many people are thwasing when they shouldn't and it has a really bad effect on the overall institution of African healing. Let's be comprehensive and not be too overzealous in our approach. This isn't an attack to any specific person but a broad message to our people.
@@thaboshikwambane I couldn’t agree more.
Thokoza Gogo... I dreamt of old woman, dark in skin with pure grey hair... she had many thwasanas... and she was wearing a pure white sheet, she called me and asked me to kneel down on the taditional mat and she showed the same cloth Gogo she is wearing.. the maroon one... and she said to me this is a ndawu cloth... you must go and buy and wear it... Im not sure if its possible because Im not a sangoma... please advice.
I guess you better do what is necessary to wear it 🤣
Thank CONTINUE PLEASE
Thokozane... when dreaming an old woman with grey hair and dark in complexion... she asked me to kneel down on the traditional mat and said to me I must buy that maroon cloth and she was also wearing it with a white sheet on top and the cloth on the waist. She said to me this is Ndawu cloth you must also wear it. Im not a sangoma. Am I allowed to buy and wear it?
Thokoza Baba very insightful n informative (using isheet elimhlophe when dancing),thank you Mntomdala obout the teachings
And I wish to know the colours of Mndawe gqira
I expirience poor diet,cook n crave but not eat afterwards,I dont know how to survive ?( poor diet )
Do you usually have digestive problems?
@@misskellybaby1968 no Kelly but now all of the sudden I loss of appetite mostly meaty food ( protein ) ,my plate I take 1 -2 spoons had enough
Am struggling a lot please help
I also have loss of appetite lately. Meat disgusts me Gogo. Let’s listen to our bodies and give them what they want. Thokoza
@@misskellybaby1968 heeeeeeeee Kelly as a result I lost weight my skin is dry,its only fruit that i eat,tea n water,am tired,sometimes i can feel not in balance - no body pains but loneliness n insomnia
Xoliswa Mfupi yhuu we have the same problem
Thokoza gogo no mkhulu. Niyibeke yacaca njalo ngiphupha umfula, umlungu manje sengisazi kwenzakalani. Ngiyabonga kakhulu
thank you i would like to ask about the Badimo ba Bapedi ba Mapulana if tthey were rain makers.which herb did they use for communicating with anscetors
Very informative iam have bn awaken
Wooo Im impressed honesly I learned a lot today about avandau I would like to know how can get in touch with you Bo gogo
great content
Emakhosini. Thank you for this episode. Does umndawu always have umnguni?
Thokoza Gogo, I have a question. If you dream that you have to go to the sea not the river. Is the process still the same?
Thokoza gogo
What i have just heard has opned my eyes, it responded to many questions that needed answers. Is it possible to get Mkhulu Ibrahim's contacts?
We Thank you
Another great lecture on the Ndau Spirit with more insights... May I ask the contact details of Mkhulu Ibrahim please.
+27 72 912 8255 that is his number
How is Tsonga and Shangaan 2 different people? As far as i know, learnt and followed my roots. Tsonga is a tribal group formed by Tswe, Rhonga, Thonga, Ndau, Shangaan, Kalanga and others. It's just due to conflicts, colonial and immigration that how groups got scattered like in SA, Eswatini, Zim, Zambia, Malawi, and South Tanzania. But there is no difference between Tsonga and Shangaan. Tsonga is the mother while Shangaan falls under Tsonga
This guy is correct because of the following reasons:
1. Tsonga is a language that is spoken by many clans.
2. Shangaan is a group that is made up of clans that speak Tsonga and are descendants of Ngunis and specifically those who are descendants of Soshangane and his warriors that invaded Mozambique in the 1800s. A few examples would be:
a) Nxumalo (originally Khumalo)
b) Chavalala (i.e. Tshabalala)
c) Nkosi
d) Mgiba (used to be Madonsela)
e) Mdluli
f) Ngoveni (used to Ngubane)
g) Ndlovu
f) Mathye (used to be Ndlovu)
g) Sithole (ndau by assimilation)
f) Slawule
h) Dlamini (ndau by assimilation)
i) Nyathi
j) Langa
k) Mhlanga (ndau by assimilation)
3. There are many clans that are Nguni and do speak Tsonga. However, they are not Shangaan (i.e. they are not descendants of the group that came with Soshangane). Just a few examples:
a) Mabunda (originally Mazibuko)
b) Nkuna (originally Twala)
c) Khosa (originally khoza but now Ndau through intermarriage) - this clan welcomed Soshangane and his warriors in an region called Khosen in Mozambique.
d) Maluleke
e) Chauke (i.e. Mabasa)
f) Mashele
4.) There other clans that are not Nguni and do speak Tsonga. A few examples:
a) Khalanga - Baloyi/Mathebula (Descendants of the Rozvi - they are from Zimbabwe)
b) Makaringe (Originally Ndau)
c) Shivambu (Chopi but I stand to be corrected)
d) Bila/Bilankulu (Chopi)
e) Mashimbye (originally Ndau)
f) Makwakwa (originally Ndau)
Nxumalo's bid to become a King for all Tsonga speakers failed at the courts. There's a transcript where all the history is documented.
The reasons for Nxumalo's failed bid to my knowledge were three, namely:
1) He's ancestors didn't conquer all the Tsonga speaking clans.
2) Tsonga is a language and not a tribe unlike Zulu which is both a tribe and language. Moreover, Tsonga is a fusion of Ronga; Nguni and other languages. When Soshangane got to Mozambique the language was already developed.
3) All the other clans provided compelling evidence that suggested that Nxumalo's ancestors were not recognized as the supreme king of the Tsonga speaking clans in that Era. For instance the Khosa clan under the leadership of Magigwana defeated Nxumalo's ancestors (Mpisane to be specific). That's why they ran away from Mozambique into modern day South Africa - they settled near Thulamahashe.
In short this matter has long been a subject of debate and it has been tested in our courts of law and the Nxumalo's still can't prove that we are all Shangaans.
I hope the above makes sense.🙏🏿
You're both correct
Umuntu othwasile vele kumele aphakame?? Aphinde azigwagwise..aphinde azonde ezinye iintlanga. Thank you baba
Good discussion,however we need to revisit the origins of the Ndau as a people. To say they are Shona might be misinformation.
Mkhulu the way you explain umdawu it lake you a talk to me im mdawu
Thokoza abogogo now the dreams are very clear. Kwande
Thokoza gogo.👏👏 Akwande ngolwazi osipha lona.
Question.. was the leopard skin one of the skins used by the Ndawes in the olden days? If so, what is the connection and what does it symbolize?
Thokoza
Thank you for the rich information you handed to us. Can you please explain how and why the head is moving back and forth when I bow down? I experience this a lot, and I was confused. Thokoza Gogo noMkhulu.👏🏽👏🏽
It means that you are mediating between your Nguni and Ndau ancestors for the battle that took place between them. Those that are descendants of Ndaus but don't have Nguni ancestors won't kneel and bandover because they don't have the Nguni and Ndau conflict in their lineage.
The kneeling while shaking your head up and down is to submit yourself to these ancestors during the incantation process.
I hope this helps.
@@nkunapatrick Thokoza👏🏽👏🏽
Thank you
May you speak of iHossana?