Insanely Controversial State Finals 👀
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- CA 138lb Final: Michael Gioffre, Buchanan (CS) vs. Beau Mantanona, Palm Desert (SS)
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For y’all who don’t know. The refs who officiated this match split fast. They know they messed up and split. They need to be held accountable. This was egregious
Referees always leave fast whether they call a good match or a bad one. Them leaving means nothing.
@@TheDarkagent1 respectfully would have to disagree. Ive watched a lot of wrestling matches and I have never seen a pair of referees grab their shit and run out of a stadium as fast as they did. They were well aware of the situation and did not want any part of that mob
@@TheDarkagent1 do you know why they leave fast. especially during dual meets. because the winning and losing coaches always go up to them and tell them what they did wrong. they just don't wanna hear it. now when your crap the mat like this Ref did, you damn right your leaving town fast.
I totally agree they may have been just go on in the back to so they get paid if you give her watch cobra Kai pretty much the same stuff happens yeah my whole thing is I never left it in the judge I never left it in there referees I’ve never left it in whatever I just pinned the shit out of all my guys! There was a lot of times to that that guy when he was pressuring him down and he had his arm and then the other guy in north-south position other knees and feet literally had that arm I want my state championship match my senior year because of that move I just turn my elbow over put my back of my hand on top of the head reach over to the other arm and I drag them and a lot of times they’ll turn trying to get that if you step over the leg I’m getting back points plus I a takedown! The thing is if anybody gets on her and says well these are harder matches than what you wrestled know because I beat California state champions of nationals I was a two-time state champion I was 110-11-1 and I had 94 pins in high school with one pin at seven seconds which is a state record
Bad call absolutely. Life lesson than things don’t always go your way even when they should. Those refs need consequences for waving that off.
Dude...seriously?! That was clearly a reversal, leg hooked AND on top position. I wouldn't necessarily call any nearfall, considering the ride was not controlled and turned into a leg scramble; but the 2 reversal came prior...plain and simple. State Champ: Mantanona of PO!
Agreed. That's 2 All. Day. Long! 4-3 Final. I'm not awarding any NF.
I don’t think it was really a reversal yet. Gioffre was still shoulder deep on the leg which means there was no change of control yet.
What’s fucked up is telling a guy he got 2 points and then taking it away from him. He would’ve wrestled the position much differently had the ref called it differently at the time.
i don’t think it was 2
If the grasp isn’t broken then it can’t be called a reversal. Bottom man needs complete control which he didn’t have.
💯 is two points and no NF. The two was there for sure.
That young man is a better sport than most of us because I would've been wreaking havoc
bruh u not lien lmao
Ain’t lying at all, everybody gotta suffer for that shit😪
Ref clearly awards the reversal and started counting the nearfall with 3 swipes. There is no way you can deny Mantanona his win. Head referee and review process failed this young man and robbed him of his State Title.
I thought I had heard that the State High School Athletic Association was all but finalizing the decision to announce that this match result was overturned??
Considering its been weeks now I assume that was all BS lies coming from the decision makers to calm down the noise in hopes that it just blows over.
This was a state finals match and literally one of the only matches ever to defeat the 1 in 10 million odds of not having completely blatant evidence showing that the refs 10000% gave the wrong wrestler a title. SMFH
You can’t reverse the call on the mat just because a scramble ensues after points have been awarded. Obviously had Mantonona known he was still down by 1 he would have wrestled for an escape.
Exactly. The board said he was winning w 7 secs. Be like the refs not telling you if your up or down in OT, w 10 secs left. Crazy
@@blacklabsociety4876 Not just that he was winning with 7 seconds left, if he heard the call he knew he was winning with 15 seconds left. Plenty of time left for an escape.
@MrGuanYu1 He had to have heard it and he had to hear the ref counting near fall as well. It changed the way he wrestled at the end and took away his match.
@@cyclingboss469 Yeah, I would figure he would have heard it, I mean I heard most of what the ref said when I was on the mat (my coach too) especially when I was trying to score.
And that's why they put the clock back to when the call that was disallowed happens at the college and international level. Everything that happened after that "didn't count" so you run it back.
I've heard of some bad ways to lose a match but MAN this one probably takes the cake. Only thing I can hope for as far as Mantanona is concerned is that I really hope he still wrestles (if he was a senior, that he goes to a college program somewhere) because that would be a horrendous way to end your final match of your career.
That’s the biggest point there is. He was awarded the reversal so yeah he’s not going to try for an escape. Feel bad for this young man to literally have a state title taken away from him by some ignorant referee.
It is weird logic. Some people think Mantanona didn't have a takedown because Gioffre's arm was holding the leg. But Mantanona still had control of his hips for a 2 point takedown, and the near-fall position he put him in also strengthens his gain of control in my opinion. You can clearly see Gioffre struggling to get off his back for at least 4 seconds
The assistant referee should have never been involved, he screwed that kid out of a title. Kudos to both wrestlers.
In my opinion, after watching and rewatching this, I would say that Moantanona should have won that match 4-3. I don't think the back points were clear, but the reversal was indicated by the ref, and no disagreement with the other ref ever. Also, if those points were not to be counted I would argue to return to the beginning of the OT 3rd period and allow them to compete evenly for the title. How can you overrule your own decision after the fact? I can see how the ref could not have given the reversal, as Gioffre did seem to have the leg of Mantanona, but that was decided by the ref, and then they had like 15 seconds left at least in the period. This was a match decided by the refs and that's wrong and terrible. It cheapens the win and minimizes the loss.
1st and foremost; In dual mechanic officiating, the assistant ref cannot overturn the head ref. The head ref could ask the assistant if he had a better view, which in this case, the head ref had the best view of the leg being hooked on the switch. The assistant ref approached the head ref and started talking. A MAJOR NO-NO!. Lastly, it was clearly a reversal when the kid hit the switch he scooted around and hooked the leg while his own hips were up and off the mat. There is even a picture of this in the 2021-22 rule book.
The ENTIRE blame goes to the assistant ref who was wrong on multiple levels.
I would say equal blame on both refs because the main ref didn't have to immediately give in to the assistant refs decision. He and an opportunity to defend his initial decision making but instead decided to side with the assistant. Other than that I completely agree with everything else you said
@@xandersweeney8165 Assistant Ref has NO SAY, only his opinion. His whistle is swallowed. I agree with you Xander.
Y’all know what the reaction time rule is right? Ok just checking👍🏽
whoever those two refs are should be fired and never allowed to ref again. can’t be making calls like that especially in a state finals match. just terrible.
This "funk" wrestling needs to be re-evaluated. At 4:09 Montanona should be getting near fall points for having control and exposing back points. Also, the ending should at least be loss of control for 1 pt to Montanona. Also, holding on to a leg should be stalling, it is if you drop to a leg and hold onto it from a standing position, it should hold the same from a non-standing position, but someone determined at some point that this "funk" wrestling still determines control which is absolutely asinine. This rolling onto your back should be either loss of control or reversal and IF, big IF, the wrestling performing "funk" regains control, should be awarded another takedown. This should all be predicated on whether wrestling performing "funk" gains control or action results in stalemate. If wrestler performing "funk" gains control it should be reversal of points and then awards points for regain of control. If it results in stalemate, opposing wrestling should be awarded loss of control 1 pt escape. OR just don't reward any points if wrestler regains control and loss of control in stalemate. There's no way any one wrestler has control in this ying yang position or if either wrestler has each other's legs. NO ONE IS IN CONTROL AT THIS POINT OF ACTION.
Refer to Section 24 - Stalling, Article 4, d.
Something similar happened at 182 MN class AA state finals. One point match, crazy scramble, half the arena screaming two and the other half screaming no points. One ref had reversal and the other had no reversal. They chose to settle on a loss of control and let the two battle it out on the feet. Perfect decision in my mind.
This is what would have been a better decision, although it was definitely a reversal.
“I’m not going to comment on the BAD call!” Good job of not commenting! 😂
The final reversal and meatball were awarded. How did another ref change that? Once in the board you can't just take it away.
Well you can, but then you put the time BACK on the board and continue from there. That was at 15 seconds left and I don't see Mantanona being held down for that long in that situation. And those refs just ran. It was other officials and the head officials who were discussing it from what the commentators were saying. That should be an instant reprimand.
this was heartbreaking to watch in person
He was down 1 point. He got the reversal. The ref called it. Then he got two backs, the ref banked it. His helping official never refuted it during the scramble. Mantanona is the champ.
Plus if the refs had let the score stand there would have been no protest from anyone from Buchanon. No one on that side would have felt cheated guaranteed.
I don’t know about near fall but it was definitely a reversal
No, it’s a judgment call, not a “definitely”. The ref makes the judgment and that’s the end of it. If you want video review, go implement it. But as it stands, the result was correct.
@@sandsmarc look at the damn rule book, that was a reversal
I was at NJs states last weekend. There were terrible calls by the refs all weekend.
I just bad for both of these young men. Even the kid who won has a shadow cast over his state title.
Has anyone seen an example of this before? I've never EVER heard of points getting taken off the board after a ref makes the call at a high school level. That's bonkers. I know in higher levels there is video review and what not, but man, that is a brutal way to lose a match.
Happened to my son his junior year at District semi-final. Down two he was awarded a takedown with about 10 seconds left. He was in on a single, on the mat, secured near leg, and grabbed far ankle. He held that position until time expired. Ref put them on the line for SV. Assistant came over to head official, talked to him for a minute, and they waved off the takedown. He lost.
"I know in higher levels" Yes there is and it happens, but you know what also happens? They see where the points were awarded and put that time back on the clock. They double hosed Mantanona here. Waited until after the match to pull the points off and decided to not have them re-wrestle the last 15 seconds.
It's 2023 and he's currently ranked #1 in the state at 152. His brother is at 138 also ranked #1. The entire team is on a mission. CIFSS Masters is up next, then state. Leave no doubt!
leg hooked & had control, that was 2pts.. worst case if the ref robs him of the 2pts he should have restarted the match at the point he awarded the 2
It doesn’t matter if you think it’s 2 or not. It doesn’t matter if you can prove by the rule book it’s 2 or not. The fact he awarded him 2 and 2 is all that matters to the Montanona. He saw he was awarded the points so why would he do anything different but ride it out. The ref at that point gave him no chance of winning.
Exactly! Once the ref made the mistake there was no way for Beau to win. No wrestler with the state title in their hands would do anything but ride it out.
The points should not have been awarded. I personally didn't see control. But giving the points allowed Mantanona to relax like he'd won the match.
The sad thing is every time they got in a wrestling position Mantanona won. If he had the college 3 count we would have had a take down in the first period anyhow. I don't blame the officials and its really tough to see if he legitimately got that reversal. However, it is a common thing for officials to take points away after they call it on the mat, and it often happens that it changes the tactics as soon as the points are awarded.
I didn't see a change in control, nor back points, but the ref blew the call and changed the wrestlers strategy. What a horrible job by a ref that is working a State final match!
Shades of 2012 “Fail Mary” or “Inaccurate Reception”.
“It’s not college they don’t have video review here”
The camera recording the match: 🤨📸
The ref gave him 2 reversal right in front of his face!
Sad when refs dictate the outcome. We really have a problem that we can’t get people to put up with getting yelled at by parents and coaches for the $. Wrestling refs in NJ are ok we have a few that I’d like to see retire but football OMG absolutely horrible.
I mean, I feel like most states have at least 2 good matches. Why not let them do the finals matches.
How dare the referees leave after making such a call in a state tournament! Why is it that in this day and age do they not have reviews !
Bad coaching if you ask me. When the two officials were conferring and made a decision thats the time to go to the table. The match is over once the hand is raised. The coaches are dumb for letting the match end. The opportunity for bad time being rewrestled. Thats why the officials left. Kudos to the kid who won for leaving the area. His coaches did the right thing by telling him to leave. If the 2 takedown is waved offf then there is no nearfall. This happens all the time. I love the sport of wrestling but I wish fans, supporters and parents would read the rule book more often.
It’s a shitty ordeal for the kid who thought he had 4 points there & so he let off the gas especially since he’s a senior & from the sounds of it this was his best year & his first & only State Title. That’s why I always tell my Jr. High team I coach “WRESTLE THROUGH THE WHISTLE” bc you never know. I didn’t see a reversal let alone a near fall. He didn’t have control when they called the reversal. He only had 1 leg free & he clearly wasn’t gonna go anywhere. There would’ve been a scramble but a few more seconds and it likely would’ve been a stalemate. IMO Gioffre still had control of him w/the leg he had. Every ref is gonna be different but apparently the other ref didn’t agree with the reversal either. I know in Ohio they wouldn’t of called that a reversal. There was a match at The Ironman just last year where something almost exactly like that happened but the top man still had control of the bottom man’s leg & they didn’t call it a reversal either. In all my matches for a reversal we always had to be in control to get the 2 for that bc if 1 of your legs are still held I mean your really not in control regardless of what it may look like to ppl wether your on top or not.
Rematch time. That would raise a shit ton for charity I bet.
There is more video from different angles available on line and you can clearly see that it was a completed reversal but no control for back points; more over how can a state finals not have a supervising official available for each final match? The officials are poor at best and reflect the individual that assigned them and the athletes deserve to have a state final that is well run by individuals that anticipate situations like this and are in a position to deal with it. I would feel better if in the end that they made the correct call but they did not. I am not from California; Ohio where we take our wrestling seriously!!
Those refs jetted of the match, something tells me they know they messed up.
If I won that match....like that I would REQUST another OT Period.... I would want to KNOW I WAS THE WINNER> not win because my opponent stopped wrestling :32 before the match ended.
How about a parent or coach being humble and giving the kid who actually won the match the win. That would have made it a truly great moment. I was rooting for the kid who they gave the win to…but he lost the match. If he were my kid..it would be the exact moment to teach true integrity. Would have made this a viral video for all the right reasons.
Message to refs if you are going to make a call bad or good stick with it. The call ppl can live with but giving points and taking pts is inexcusable.
Seen worse calls than this. Here's the thing...Never give up. Never wrestle like you are ahead. In the end, if you gave it all you could, you are a winner to me no matter the outcome. Maybe I am nobody, maybe I am somebody.
I’m really hoping those two referees are no longer employed as referees.
Jeff Copenhaver I know right. There was clearly a reversal. The wrestler that got the reversal regained control and got behind the opponents hips. That was such a bullshit match.
Yup. The ref gave points 2 separate time's then took both away... Bull crap
Simply Inexcusable! There has to be a way to file a protest.. happened to Kolat several times in the past.. but honestly, this is unacceptable. There Has to be an official video reply, rulebook consultation, right there on the mat.. and then sanctions against the ref for wiping FOUR points off the board
The 4 points did not belong on the board. They got the call right. Any unbiased individual can see it….
@@benniecontreras8255 strongly disagree, showing the diagram in the video I think made the strongest case for the reversal. The back points, I agree.. 'debatable' .. but even if you don't think he got the reversal, there was definitely a loss of control and he should have gotten 1 pt, and move on to next overtime
@@stevenclark6662 the call is irrelevant you can't give pts end the match and then take them away. 😂
Lol "happened to Kolat" lmfao... That was at freestyle world championships not the California high school tournament🤣
@Rick Randazzo Exactly, right or wrong call taking a match away after the fact is inexcusable. The ref altered what happened during the period and then reversed the whole match after against the earlier call. You can't say you got it then say sorry no you don't after the fact.
If the ref tosses that two points for the reversal (or backpoints) and the scoreboard says Beau is winning, that really really affects what he's gonna attempt in that last 7 seconds of double overtime. What you attempt being up 1pt vs down 1pt is like opposite when you have any mat awareness- and both kids do. That's that real fuckup here. Letting the beau kid believe he just had to hold on to win and not kick loose and score. Beau even looks up at the clock/score to confirm🤷🏻♂️. A false pretense was established affecting the entire outcome- and in a scramble situation 5 seconds is an eternity. The call was terrible, but that's the true tragedy of this...the refs setting up a false sense of what's happening the last 7 secs. 🤦♂️
That happened to me in my regionals. I was losing 4-5 and I was on top with maybe 5 seconds left. I let him up knowing I wasn’t going to turn him. The clock ran out and next thing you know it’s OT. I guess I was the one who was up and then he got the takedown in OT ftw. I was up the whole time if I knew that I would’ve held him. That, just like this situation, affected the entire outcome of the match.
Also according to the official cif rulebook for wrestling that was 2 points for the reversal
If the refs admit to blowing the call they should employ NCAA rules there. Review when the bad call was made, reset the clock to that point, and let them re-wrestle that time. If a bad call was made then any wrestling occurring after that point should be re-wrestled.
@@kurtjanicki7325 that would require a high school wrestling ref to not power trip for about 3 seconds
@@jonathankylemusic4007 LOL - yeah who walks off the mat like that on a state title match - ridiculous
I was there and watched it live. You gotta love crowd involvement, but this whole controversy pretty much ruined the atmosphere of the finals. It was the last match before awards too, so a large part of the crowd ended up booing the champion. I can’t say I agree with the ref’s decision here, but the least the crowd could have done is not boo this poor kid on what is probably the greatest day of his life.
Agreed, not Micheal’s fault. He just showed up and wrestled his heart out.
Let them boo loud, he needs to know he got beat
@@benjaminziegler7437 don’t discredit the other kid you don’t know how that felt to think you won and then not get you’re hand raised
@@Trey.2nd the crowd was booing the winner I'm say they should boo because it was a bad call the kid that "won" should know he didn't really earn it
Yeah I was there too man, but I think they were booing the refs, rather than the kid
I have wrestled and coached, and lately refed for 14 years. I have made some mistakes, and I regret them all. But I never made one this bad. Thankfully. congrats to both boys. well done. Beau..you are a State Champ in my book.
I really hope this is taken to a higher level. I don’t know if it’s a high school athletic commission or what but this is wrong in so many ways. To not be able to video review has to change. There is no point in not allowing video review. Mistakes happen by referees yes I get it but they shouldn’t come at the cost of these young athletes. They simply review it and get it right one way or the other and the athlete that wins gets the title.
CIF is backing the refs and have now publicly stated that the refs made the correct call in accordance to the rulebook, smh
Our league in japan the refs just used to footage the team manager was taking just for us so our bouts were the only ones with video refs haha
@@nakianewton5656 Even if that's so: making the wrong call, waiting for time to expire, and then changing the score after the time has expired removing any chance for competitive integrity will never be the "correct" thing for the refs to do. but its California so I wouldn't expect much out of any Government run org over there.
I thought I had heard that the State High School Athletic Association was all but finalizing the decision to announce that this match result was overturned??
Considering its been weeks now I assume that was all BS lies coming from the decision makers to calm down the noise in hopes that it just blows over.
This was a state finals match and literally one of the only matches ever to defeat the 1 in 10 million odds of not having completely blatant evidence showing that the refs 10000% gave the wrong wrestler a title. SMFH
I feel so bad for Montana he got his dreams taken due to refs making poor decisions 😪
Damn Montana got screwed too? Guess it wasn't bad enough they got Mantanona. Terrible!
@@e2go lol
@@e2go that's terrible lol
He at least gets one more year to win that title (I think he will be the heavy favorite in whatever his weight class is at and I think steamrolls everyone and I hope he squashes any Buchanan wrestler he faces
Lmaooooo
This exact situation unfortunately happened to me in a regional final match back in 2016. Still sucks to think about but once points are awarded like that, the refs should not be able to go back into the match after the match is over and make changes. I bet the last 15 seconds of that match would’ve been a whole lot different if there was never points given.
Okay just play real sport than lol
I have talked to the head ref of that match multiple times and I brought up this match. He knows he made a mistake and feels bad about it and even now he still doesn’t want to talk about it and it has a lot of weight when he refs. (FYI he is my dad)
Bullsh*t! Not only did he clearly win, in the absence of video replay, what is awarded by the ref on the mat should stand. The ref sees what he sees on the mat. Dude standing on the side is just that, dude standing on the side.
Exactly
Yeah - but the ref made call that he reversed after the fact and that can change the way the final moments are wrestled. The refs should have reviewed the time of the call and reset the clock to that point and let them re-wrestle the final seconds - they do it in the NCAA's all the time
The assistant referee is supposed to be super involved in the match. He has every right to conference and communicate his observations.
@@beemoe_adventuresThe ref on the side cannot interfere or make calls unless asked by the main referee of the match. By watching the video, the main ref walks backwards as if he is being called over by the other ref. If this is what occured, than the refs are completely wrong and screwed this match completely. The sideline ref has 0 authority unless called upon. From what i say the sideline ref said something that made the main ref come up to him. Its a shame that many refs dont know how to actually officiate. Wishing the best to mantanona
@@JorgeRodriguez-po1fy it is the job of the assistant official to communicate his views to the whistle. These are facts. If you don’t understand this, you are ignorant of two man mechanics.
You know the officiating wasn't good if Flo is talking about it. Also it was a clear 2 and you can pull up the rule book, if they hook the foot it's 2.
Kid is a champ for his sportsmanship toward the opponent and situation.
I've been coaching wrestling since the 90s, that officiating was perfect and the score was correct at the end of the match. Whatever criteria they used to reverse the decision was ridiculous. This will be overturned
I’m still waiting for them to overturn it. It’s been 2 weeks
@@otabekburanov9587 Its got to happen that was a reversal as clear as day, one could argue on the exposure slightly but the reversal was set in stone
I wish they would, but nothing will happen, especially with Buchanan being the wrestling powerhouse in CA (all due to loopholes of magnet school classification of the Clovis schools, so Clovis, Buchanan and Clovis North can grab whomeever they want in the area, despite many not living in boundaries
Of the high school
@@andu1854 TERRIBLE
The whole thing stinks. The "control" rule stinks. There is far too much of this thing where a wrestler grabs a leg/ankle and holds on for dear life to disallow a reversal, takedown or escape. They HAVE to change the rules. If a top wrestler loses control of the bottom wrestler it should be an escape, at the least. In this match the Gioffre kid lost control of Mantanona. Gioffre grabbed a leg and held on to prevent a reversal/escape. That's all he did. He was not in control, was not trying to improve, and certainly was in not position to score. This crap has to stop. It's hurting college wrestling. Too many wrestlers have perfected the "art" of hanging on and causing a stalemate. It's far to easy to grab an leg or ankle and stalemate out an aggressive opponent. Terrible.
Calm down
So...both wrestlers on edge of matt. Kid on bottom grabs leg of kid on top. Gets into a neutral position where they each have a leg. They roll out of bounds. Give one point for escape and stand them up?
James Cicalese, I'm in total agreement with you buddy. That style of wrestling / stalling should be banned from Folkstyle, period. What happened to real wrestling style shots to get your takedowns in this sport?
I disagree.. I think the funky/scramble stuff is the best part of wrestling.. makes for excitement.. but the fact that "control" no longer means "control" is the real problem here.. it's not a rules issue, it's a common sense issue.. is someone controlling their opponent or not? Should be that simple.. hanging onto an ankle for dear life is certainly not control, so it should be loss of control or reversal, simple as that
@@InsideTripNinja How do you define control? I define it: "Forcing your opponent to do something against his will." By this definition, holding onto an ankle is still control. Note too: there are different degrees of control. Clearly, in these type of "funk" situations, the top wrestler has lost a huge amount of control, while the bottom wrestler has gained a certain amount of control. To be awarded one, the bottom wrestler has to be free of all levels of control. But I will ask again, what is your clear definition of control? You don't have an argument until you define your terms.
Never seen something like that...especially in a CA state title match! Mantanona heard the 2 reversal and then 2 NF and just did what he was supposed to do, hold on for the last few seconds to win his state title. It was stolen from him.
Bad call, period. Lead the wrestler Mantanona to understand he had the reversal. Wow!
100% was at least 2
They really should have run it back with the time left from the false points call. It's on the ref, it's his fault in this situation.
Like it or not, it isn't a bad time situation.
He had it right the first time, but let the AR (Assistant Referee) con him into taking the points away. Even if the AR is the Head Official for the Tournament, I would have stuck to my guns-even if they don't invite me back.
The winner should have conceded and give the de facto winner the spot. He knew it he didn’t deserve it anyway. Sportsmanship could have led this moment better.
Who knows. Maybe the kid actually thought he won at the time. We can see the video although they are just feeling out the position, in the moment, and wrestling.
So in the end, there is no basis for reversing this call outside of the mat referee changing his mind again and re-awarding the points. The talk of "bad time" etc is meaningless. This is not a situation that is covered by bad time.
I agree with the comment below that the ref just messed up his timing and got quick on his call. But I think the thing he saw was the near fall - if he's counting near fall points, the control is implicit, so he gave the reversal.
I won't argue whether it was a reversal or not. I think it would have been fine if he had held off the call and not given the reversal, and there is an argument there was a reversal. What should have happened, though, is that he should have stuck with the call. He awarded the points based on his best information at the time.
If he had stuck with the call, or not made the call in the first place, we could have a fun discussion of whether he got the reversal or not. That would be a lot more interesting than the discussion of how the ref screwed the pooch.
You are so right… my comment about bad time was wrong. This situation doesn’t warrant bad time as the ref didn’t put them in a bad position. It was crazy and my mind was scrambling. You are correct though I should have not said “bad time” I think I was running all the scenarios in my head. I’ll clean that up next time. Baahaa lol
19:21 😂 wrestling fans are ruthless
Call it like they see it.
I was standing right next to the guy who started that chant. It started slowly and then gathered critical mass.
Thank you @flowrestling for posting this!! The referees CIF used in this match should be ashamed of themselves.
If not for being in an era of cellphones, it would be close to impossible to prove anything in the face of official denial!
#wedemandanexplanation
I agree but high school as always been an archaic system since they want to keep the sports fun but competitive. Since no money is involved with these sports except donations, fundraising it’s essentially the purest. High school coaches are essentially volunteers and work within the system full time as teachers. Where at the college level coaches are six figure salaries and scholarships are on the line, now that new law that allows athletes to use their faces for money changes the game. So to add review bc flo just happened to be hosting the tournament, would mean adding reviewing for all duals and tournaments. Might as well give coaches those red and green bricks you know they be throwing them all the time lol. State tournament is always big and it should be allowed but then it should be allowed at all meets and tournaments then any parent with an iPhone recording can be held for review to see how the ref mis called lol.
This doesn't make sense it wasn't filmed on a cell phone...
Damn, imagine being that ref. Just threw away a kids title bc of the call he made. The ref legitimately just decided that he wanted the kid to lose and reversed the points. Don't even call the points if you aren't 100% sure man. It would have been way better to have called nothing and given points after rather than during the match and take them away after.
100% this. Don't award points until you are sure. If you do that then you never have to second guess yourself.
Poor kid, both of these dudes gave it all they had and terrible officiating determined the winner. The refs have to know that they took the title from Montanona. Good respect shown by both guys with the embrace at the end.
Green: does an inside switch at 10:00, Red feels he is in trouble and grabs onto Green's right leg or ankle 10:01. Green continues to scoot to the rear of Red eventually lacing Red's right ankle, pulling Green hip to hip behind Red 10:06.Criteria is met for the reversal, Red panics showing he has lost control and attempts a funk/leg pass 10:07 but due to his leg being laced can not roll all the way through 10:08. Mat Official starts criteria count, 10:08-10:11getting a 2 count for near fall criteria. Red is rolling back and forth not exhibiting any control 10:11. Red has one hand on Green's ankle at 10:22 not an indication of control, Green has both of Red's feet a good indicator of control 10:22. Mat official was in position to make the reversal call, you could argue he was not in the best position to make near fall criteria count and points. Side judge was not in position to make the reversal call or even question that call but was in position to question near fall criteria. Mat official should have been strong on the reversal call and could have waved off the 2 backs. Moral of this story: Athletes have to be good enough to beat their opponent and the officials too!
"... eventually lacing Red's right ankle, pulling Green hip to hip behind Red 10:06.Criteria is met for the reversal..." Is lacing the leg criteria needed for reversal? Shouldn't he need like a tight waist or something else? Both his arms are free and looked to be braced on the mat trying to maintain his own balance and not control the oponnent
@@goldfsgoldfs3434 nope, all you need is control of their ankles, their are a few sneaky take downs you can get with this criteria.
this all cap don’t believe this guy i was there
Take this down, This shit has throughly pissed me the fuck off, someones job needs to be had Mantanona 4-3 for the win, this is the wildest shit.
Stop advocating cheating to force the guy you want to win to get the crown. The refs made their decision, it’s a judgment call, and it went against the loser. That’s wrestling. And boxing. And ice skating. Don’t like it? Pin your opponent and take human judgment out of the equation. Otherwise, stop with the sour grapes. Result stands!
@@sandsmarc and it’s not the fact that the ref made a judgment call and gave it to the other kid they both wrestled fantastic. it’s the fact that he Called 2 and let them keep wrestling. It costed Montanona the Match because if he didn’t think he was up he would’ve wrestled differently. Terrible ref but great wrestlers.
Im from Oklahoma I don't know either kid from Adam, The kid got fucked and that shit isn't right, anyone who watches amateur wrestling is sick when watching some shit like this, those refs should be fired and never be able to ref.
I was there when it happened and the officiating was horrible it disgusted me he obviously got the reversal and the ref even started swiping near fall but somehow ended up losing. So when Palm deserts coaches went to argue the call the refs ran off the mat.
That’s one the most heartbreaking ways to lose, that’s really not fair at all.
Cali Reffs have created A MONSTER! I feel bad for anyone wrestling beau next year! Good Luck!
This is mind blowing I can’t believe how stupid that ref is I’m pissed I feel so sorry for mantanona
Probably from the northern sections. The refs from the north are horrible in the state. There was control. Someone mentioned already, if it wasn't a reversal he should have waived it off right then and there. He second guessed himself right then and there. If Buchanan had brought him to the table, THEN the officials had the discussion and waived it off, then I would be more agreeable with the call even though it would still be a controversial call. But he decided to award the points, have a conversation that should not have been had, then takes it away right then and there. Disclaimer I am a ref too, I've made some bad calls in the past, but I would not have changed my call in the manner that this ref did
Gioffre shouldn’t have won this. I can’t really be mad at him though. When you get a case like this it’s either kids talk about him winning or they bully him on how he cheated to get that win, and I’d be willing to say the 2nd option for Gioffre. All Gioffre was trying to do was win, he can’t help a terrible call that the ref made
What the fuck makes you want kids to bully him for this win? I mean, it says a lot more about you that you think kids would bully him for winning. Most likely his schoolmates would support him, the other school on the other hand might not, but to suggest that his own team would bully him is ridiculous.
@@ShinM. who said I wanted kids to bully him. I said there’s two crowds of people, people who support him and people who look at the match and say “oh you cheated this guy.” No doubt people are supporting him, but I’m just saying whether it’s at his school, another school, or maybe even some random people who saw the match, some people are gonna give him a hard time about that. It sucks to because like I said, the kid can’t help a bad call, all he can do is go out there and try to win, and he did go out there and try to win, he couldn’t help the bad call
Here's another way to look at it. They tried to fuck Gioffre over and give Montanona the win by giving him points when he shouldn't have gotten points. They ended up giving him the right call and not awarding the false points. The hypothetical of "oh if Montanona knew he would have gone for the escape and tied" is a fairy tale to make him feel bad and try to justify controversy.
That's how I could see it as Gioffre, why not celebrate your win, especially given the history of Montanona getting the calls in previous matches, apparently.
@@ShinM. hey I’m just saying what I see. There are many wrestling fans that probably think the same thing and they see he should’ve at least got an escape if not a reversal. I thought it looked pretty clear at first, looking back at it I can see why there’s controversy. While Gioffre had a leg, Beau did establish control and if your going argue that he had the leg so it’s not two, look at Valencia and Hall in 2019. Valencia’s winning takedown was something like this. Hall had Valencia’s leg, and Valencia got around his hips and hooked his ankle and they gave the two and that was the right call. Before you say it, no I’m not against Gioffre, with how great of a match he put up, both those men deserved to win, I’m just saying what I saw, and I saw at least a reversal, and most the people in that gym thought that to
@@ianshue2890 considering how badly the refs fucked up they should have ran it back with 15 seconds on the clock, tbh. That would have been the most fair way given the failures of the officials. Awarding a single point (which would have tied it) and possibly giving them another period would have also been sufficient. But the refs fucked up badly, it is not on the contestants at all.
I watched it live, I also saw a lot of other fishy incidents of Buchanon choachses getting mad and than calls being reversed
Whether it’s a reversal or not is not the issue it’s the way the ref went about waiving off the points. Once the call is made on the mat and both wrestlers process it, it creates a sequence of actions based on the call on the mat. Officials have 1-2 seconds max to waive off a call otherwise stuff like this happens and everyone loses, including the kid who “won” bc his championship is now considered illegitimate by most, obviously the kid who got robbed, and now both officials who’s credibility and reputation will be damaged beyond repair. You can argue semantics about the reversal call but the refs should have stuck with and lived with what they called in real time. Horrible precedent
This one is easy. At 10:07 Gioffre lets go of his hold and Mantanona clearly has the reversal as Gioffre gives up his back. While Gioffre makes the horrible mistake to hold onto a foot :( bad idea) back points awarded. Also at 10:10 you can clearly see Manatanona's hips are way above Gioffre's at this point and Gioffre is on his back. This was a horrible mess of calls after the fact.
This was a robbery if I ever seen one. The refs really need to take accountability for this. Wether it was two or not Beau had no reason to change positions when he was thinking he was up and then lost bc he wrestled like he was winning. Absolutely horrible.
That was 2 and 2 all day!! Mantanona WON that match!! I don't have a dog in the fight, but I know a bad all when I see one!!
If 4:40+ is a takedown:
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AND the high school rule is the same, then 10:04 is also a takedown. Period.
I’m a Buchanan fan all day. I live 5 min from the school but I honestly think Mantanona should have won with the reversal. That’s a heartbreaking lost.
You have to beat the refs sometimes as well, maybe train and teach kids this concept.
From the angle that was shown. That was a clear reversal and back-points. Even if they ended up taking off the points they should've ran back the time since the wrong score was posted. There's no real good explanation for this. This needs to be reevaluated. Maybe it won't help Mantanona but for future wrestlers in this situation.
They need to tell Mantanona to stand up.. He can't wrestle from his knees.
10:07 Pause the video you will see the ref clearly has awarded the reversal holding up two fingers with his right arm outstretched upwardly, and with his left arm pointing toward the scramble.
It did not seem to be a reversal. The other wrestler still had the lower part of his leg. The ref totally blew that call by awarding him two points. It clearly affected how Beau finished the match. He would have wrestled differently if he knew that he was losing by a point instead of being ahead by a point. What a shame.
nah he hooked the leg and had enough for 2 the NF was a stupid call 4-3 final my opinion
leg hooked & had control, that was 2pts.. worst case if the ref robs him of the 2pts he should have restarted the match at the point he awarded the 2
Look in the rule book. The picture is clear as day. The exact same position. It doesn't matter if the guy has a leg. If you hook and gain control even on the side of the hips you are awarded points.
As a former ref mistakes happen. No one is trying to screw one kid over intentionally. It’s tough to make a call in the moment only to see later you made a mistake. But it’s not intentional.
but not admitting that the mistake altered the outcome of the match and restarting from the point the mistake happened was intentional. I'm not faulting the refs for admitting a mistake. It's not admitting that the mistake totally robbed the one wrestler of the state title. How could a rational person think that it was ok to just call it as they did and walk away?
Mistake isn't the issue. Choosing not to correct the mistake is despicable.
Taking points off the board because Coach Troy might not win another title is what has many annoyed… blowing calls is part of game, but this was far worst and those refs deserve to be mocked for being incompetent morons
Why not just have the referees wrestle for the state championship.
I just saw this match and I think the Mantanona kid should be declared the winner. He was given a reversal and back points.
I won't watch wrestling anymore after this.
What a joke this is worse than little league.
Either way the kid should have gotten a reversal he had a pad lock around his legs
Just FYI everyone there is not a bad time situation here here regardless if the ref changes his decision. All they could have done is changed the score, and if the decided to give 1 then continue wrestling into the ultimate tiebreaker.
My son his Senior year was behind going into the 3 period down 1. The other guy was a leg rider and he put the legs in on my son and my son was right in the middle of the mat and really didn't get much going but in the last 30 seconds wiggled out and up and was awarded 1 to tie then took the guy down and was awarded 2 seconds before the buzzer.
Winning the match at first as the boys were walking back to the center the other coach starts Questioning the score the refs confer on it and after both Coaches and the refs got done no points were awarded and my son lost. He ended up coming thru thre the lower bracket and got 3rd at State anyway ahead of the wrestler that beat him. My son was picked top 6 but did better than most thought.
Wait hold on, he got up and got no OT? He had the escape it should’ve been tied
@@TheMonkeyKing7235 Yes it was very odd after they conferred I’m thinking the escape never happens in 1 refs mind so no loss of control from the top wrestler? Points were given to my son but taken away after the mat. This happened about 6-7 years ago I was in the stands but that was pretty much the feeling from my son. I coached JV and varsity wrestling as a 2nd coach for about 10 years and saw some odd things only a few times. Losses like that kick your butt. 🤷🏻♂️
This is impossible. It is exactly as bad as changing a first period after the match is over. Heads should roll, and they should award both of them champion medals and brackets.
There is control by the wrestler on top even thought the hands of the opponent are locked around a leg. The top wrestler has his opponent off the base and is hip to hip. The 2 pts for reversal were legit. 4-3 final, Montanona state champ
The officials made such a bad call. In the 2023-24 NFHS Wrestling Rules Book (I know this video is a year old at time of writing this but humor me) Page 68, Pictures #27 & #28 shows the reversal/takedown/postition shown in this video at 10:02. Litteral textbook (or in this case rule book). That is a 2 point reversal + the 2 points for a near fall. Green wins.
Call on the Mat what correct
There is NO POSSIBLE WAY to get this RIGHT... One kid THOUGHT he had a win and held on to let the time run out....after the match the refs talked and decided that was the wrong call and took 5 points away from the winner which changed the outcome...If they had not awarded the 5 points who would have won?? NO WAY TO TELL. THERE WAS PLENTY OF TIME TO GET AN ESCAPE 1 POINT WHICH WOULD HAVE TIED THE MATCH. I would have Mantaona Down and wrestle the :32 from the time they awarded the 5 points... MY OPINION is there would have been an escape and the match would have ended a TIE again and you have to go back to the California Rule Book to see what happens on a 3rd Tie... I tell you what MANTANONA was a CLASS ACT
This was all on the ref! How could he call that a reversal? It changed the entire match. It sucks for both of these kids. Hope this ref never gets to a state final again.
it WAS a reversal
To hell with getting to a state final, they should never officiate ever again.
That was the most clear reversal I've ever seen. DUDE WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT
@@x2dab184 you must not know what a reversal is then……
x2dab184 No, it’s a judgment call. There is no objective certainty. Officials decide what it will be, and you live with it.
Mantanona handled themselves from Grace though shook the man's hand give him a little hug he will do well in the ncaa's
Love to see how the 2 competitors handled the situation. Good call. 1 Ref got way too excited! It is that referees fault!!