Divine Neos being boosted to Infinity to match Obelisk's Fist of Fate would've gone crazy. Infinity vs Infinity, a clash we'll never know the answer to because it was infinite
In the anime ∞ vs ∞ has happened with Timaeus the Knight of Destiny VS Divine Serpent Geh, and in the Yugioh R manga with Obelisk the Tormentor VS The Wicked Avatar. In both cases, both monsters were destroyed by battle and no damage was dealt.
@@socialaccount0000 we saw the answer to this with Dartz and likewise here Jaden did something to add onto infinity. So Jaden wins that clash less Atem’s set card activates.
The fact that you composed such an ending to their duel under the circumstances they were in is nothing short of impressive. I would've LOVED to see it end like that! Would be cool if someone made it a fan-animation...
That was an amazing custom card duel! I loved the twists and turns. It really did feel like the finale we never got, and it STILL ended with an ambiguous winner.
Yah that's literally how it should have ended with atom going through all the gods in order as Jaden's school as an anime moment where we get to see Jaden overcome a real graduation ceremony from the king of games. But only thing though issue I have is that we are assuming yugi and Jaden have 40 cards in deck. They never actually say how many cards are in their decks. So they could of still had more cards to draw.
@@AaronHeininger Official duels in the anime/manga (like in tournaments and such) do require 40-card decks. This is mentioned here and there in the original and GX. I can't remember for certain if anyone ever breaks this rule in casual duels, so I just stuck with the 40 assumption. But even if there were more cards to work with, I wouldn't have changed the script. They would simply have more cards remaining in their decks.
@@customcardguy yah but they never tell you if they play with more cards or just 40. And if so Zane is cracked to always draw cyber dragon in a 40 card deck where he only shown to have 7 monsters season one in main deck and I'm assuming he has 3 of each fusion since end dragon he summoned three times.
I found you from your Kaiba v Bakura vid and liked how you analyzed it. This is a really well made vid too. I like how you go over all the details meticulously but also go over how things might go from an anime writing perspective
Legacy of the Duelist answers this question for you: Judai/Jaden wins. Every normal duel has you playing as the canonical victor of that duel first, before allowing you to play the Reverse Duels. I'd say that the method of victory does matter becuase we never see exactly HOW Jaden would have won the duel, but Legacy of the Duelist has you playing as Jaden, and you must win the duel to finish the GX campaign. Jaden defeats the King of Games, and is granted the title.
I subscribe to the theory that Dylan from Yugioh everything made some years ago and that’s the duel doesn’t have a winner. Yugi was trying to show Judai what he lost over his schooling career and he got that at the end once Slifer hit the field so once he called the attack the duel ended literally with no winner and he woke up in the desert
Which just furthers my question as to wtf is up with adult Yugi in GX? Has he straight up become a sorcerer somehow? Dude doesn't have any millennium items, is years removed from his time with Atem, yet apparently has some precognition since he just happens to meet Judai/Jaden on his way to his entrance exam to give him Winged Kuriboh and then again when J goes to see the replica of Yugi's deck contemplating leaving the academy...then seemingly straight up either teleports J backwards in time to meet with a younger him pre-Millennium World or puts J into an insane illusion world to have him simulate those events. Dude gave up becoming a game designer and decided to become a legit dark magician instead I guess.
Love the idea of the new way of looking at these duels, staying true to the anime and showing off scenes progressively getting better and better and such. Would love to see more videos like this, and maybe even the Anime Method being used on the Bakura Vs. Seto duel too. With the Yugi Vs. Joey duel not being on-screen and with Yugi/Atem Vs. Jaden being the only protagonist Vs. protagonist duel we got, do you think other protagonist Vs. protagonist ideas would be something of an interesting idea too? Like Yusei Vs. Yugi, Yuma Vs. Yusei, Yusaku Vs. Yusei, etc., and even other characters like Jack Atlas Vs. Seto Kaiba or Chazz Vs. Kaito, etc. etc.. Probably asking too much with that though, but...I think it's something of an idea, even if too much of an idea to write up on the spot or anything. A year already? Wow. Time does fly (heck, just look at the anime) - I think the first video I watched (or was at least around for) was the Diabound one, maybe a little earlier than that (at the very least, I'm sure you were at like a 10th of the amount of subscribers you are now at the time I subscribed).
Appreciate you being a longtime subscriber! I'll likely focus first on incomplete duels from the anime since those at least give me some parameters to work with, and usually only require 3-5 turns to complete. Scripting a net-new duel is a bit tougher ask, but it is something I'd like to explore. In the meantime, we'll rely on those scripted voice actor duels at YCS/National Qualifiers 😅
@@customcardguy That's completely fair! Looking forward to them. I haven't kept up with those, I should look into watching more. Watched a few already too (I remember at least Toon Ra and "Xyz *what*?!" at least, as well as Atem vs. Astral), but it's been quite a while since.
It makes sense that best card and good play anyone of the could have one. Yugi and judai being equals fit really well. The infinity draw is a showing ending move 🔥🔥
The funny part is that Yugi could also had summoned Obnoxious Celtic Guard instead of Dark Magician using Code Change, so it was a real Option Select for bro XD
@@customcardguy lol, tbh I have a theory that Kaiba had his rematch against Bakura in the world of memories. If you think about it Yugi, joey, téa maybe Tristan didn't really know they could manifest dules disk and cards until that duel in the Pharaohs tomb. Meanwhile after atems duel with seto Kaiba met him and talked about what was going on then Kaiba walked on his own. For who knows how long but (theif king) Bakura could've imbued his soul in one of the NPC and had a rematch with seto in a shadow game off screen selling the score from what happened on the roof. But that's my theory
Tbh it was Judai's Graduation Duel. And most Shounen stuff they do usually pass the torch down to the next person. Since it is Shounen Jump type of anime. I believe Judai overcame Atem. Because Yugi did send Judai back just so this duel can happen. Coming back full circle of Yugi remembering the duel with Judai. Concluding the journey of Yugi. Passing the torch down.
*Sorry, for jumping all over the comment section. I just got some thoughts, but I do like the video.* One matchup that might be curious to note is if Kaito could still beat Astral by the end of the story, considering that for the barian arc, Utopia was really all he and Yuma could make use of since most of the other 90+ Numbers they had before their final Duel were either absorbed, power drained or in the possession of another party prior to Astral acquiring the Numeron Code. Which is when he’s dubbed the strongest as far as episode titles go.
Yugi would have won for sure. By the turn end Jaden literally only had Winged Kuriboh left so would have had to end his turn or summon WInged Kuriboh then end his turn. Slifer would go back to the graveyard then Yugi would draw. Now Yugi's hand at the end of Jaden's turn was Buster Blader, Valkyrian, Magical Hats, Black Luster Soldier, Kuriboh. Now if they followed the basic anime rule of the player getting exactly what they need Yugi would Draw Black Luster Ritual summon Black Luster Soldier by tributing Valkyrian then attack into Neos or Flare Scareb for Game
*Small tidbit:* While Judai knows a bit about Yugi’s strategies he calls them unpredictable while against Dimitri his Winged Kuriboh reminds him that he isn’t Yugi so he couldn’t pilot the deck like him for real. This is probably why he was surprised Yugi could summon a god card the way he did. Plus the spirit of Honest left him before the final duel, which is how Judai got the card in the first place, crazy enough. - The manga specifies that gods revived by spells go back to the grave, and the anime in turn only shows them revived by spells, so Dark Renewal might allow Slifer to stay if the “real duel” truly was to begin. However this is the same anime where Class System is needed to stop Obelisk while in DSOD Obelisk uses the “its not a monster its a god” method to not have its effects negated so it gets really weird >.>;
I don't recall where in the manga that it specifies spells, but as you said, the rules are inconsistent and dictated by the situation. Either way, it would make for a far less entertaining video if Slifer sticks around xD
Sadly the LAST season of GX for THIS Duel NEVER actually got a English dub and with the Egyptian gods still in Yugi's deck Judai/Jaden pretty much LOST the fight as soon as Yugi Summoned the Red Sky Dragon of the 3 god cards.
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Tbh I think the kicker with the anime version is that, realistically, Yugi/Atem still absolutely kicks Jaden/Judai's ass. It honestly ends with Ra, given that the Pharaoh stopped with Phoenix Mode only blowing up one monster. Or even with Obelisk, considering his Soul Energy Max double tribute effect not only makes his Attack infinite, it literally inflicts 4000 damage to everything including J's life points and all of his other monsters. The God cards are super busted and never pushed to their maximum capability (at least by Atem, except maybe Slifer).
I believe Ra's effect slightly changed from DM to GX, where in DM, Ra could only blow up 1 monster in Phoenix mode and then not revert to regular mode the same turn. GX changed both these aspects. But in this situation, if the Pharaoh had blown up Shining Flare Wingman as well, I would've had to change the Pharaoh's last card and/or what Judai draws. Obelisk's effect is weird to pin down (as are all the god cards). I believe the "tribute 2 monsters" is actually a trigger for two separate effects - the infinite attack and the blow up all monsters and inflict 4000. That's why Judai jumping up to 4500 was key because the Pharaoh couldn't just use that effect. In the anime, we never see anyone use Obelisk's damage effect against someone with more than 4000 LP, so maybe it actually would inflict more. But my workaround to that would've been for Winged Kuriboh's effect to block the damage (similar to how Yugi used Kuriboh to block the damage against Obelisk vs Kaiba). It's somewhat shenanigans in terms of the timing of effects, but the anime has done worse xD
Well I don't think he has honest wasn't it someone else's card. That's my only thing I have against the anime method. And I'm afraid the anime method wouldn't be a draw since keep in mind the pharaoh never lost a game in his life which is why yugi defeating him is the only actual manga loss that character receives that wasn't due to a fear of someone dying where he throws the duel.
@@behimjakuposki7111 I'm not counting it cause it was not written by the creator there for its nit apart of the story arc considering nothing was kept card wise or referenced.
Felt like I was committing some sin xD It would clue Yugi in on "oh he has Winged Kuriboh", but ultimately doesn't make a difference (at least not in the anime method)
@@customcardguy yeah, yuck being able to assume that it’s winged kuriboh doesn’t matter in that scenario since Judai just needed it for enough tributes.
Yugi won. Slifer was staying on the field because it was special summoned with a trap, just like Summoning Clock in the Final Duel in DM Spells only work on egyptian gods for one turn, that’s why Monster Reborn wears off and the monster goes back to the grave No traps in the manga could revive a monster from grave, so this ruling never came up. The anime changed A LOT of rules because the OCG/TCG did not follow the manga rules Spellbinding Circle is treated as a spell and trap card in the manga, so it was only able to affect Slifer for one turn in Yugi vs Strings
The anime effects of the god cards are hard to pin down, but general consensus is that if they are special summoned from the grave, they go back to the grave. Kaiba explicitly states this in the anime when he revives Obelisk vs Yugi. The Summoning Clock instance has 2 differences from Monster Reborning a god card. One that it's hand vs grave. The other that it's trap vs spell. So we can't definitively use that example as proof that Slifer wasn't sent to the grave because it was summoned via trap because the hand/grave difference also exists. Tangentially, it's possible that the anime writers simply goofed here because Slifer being summoned via Summoning Clock didn't occur in the manga, and there are other instances where changes in the anime from manga ended up breaking established rules. I don't recall Spellbinding Circle ever being a spell card, but regardless, in the instance against Strings, it was a trap in both anime and manga. So this is more so proof that traps also only work on god cards for a turn. Again though, the rules are finnicky and we don't have any examples of traps or spells having a prolonged effect on the god cards, other than Mound of Bound Creator from GX. All that said, if Slifer for whatever reason stays on board, then yes Yugi wins the duel as he simply attacks Neos the next turn. But that wouldn't have been a worthwhile video 😅
@@customcardguy Kaiba did not specifically say if they are special summoned from the grave they go back at the end of the turn. He said in the anime translation I’m watching “Gods can only be raised for one turn” However, he used Magical Trick Mirror to activate Monster Reborn. And the way the manga rules things, even attacks like Slifer’s second mouth seem to be considered magic attacks. That’s why it wore off Obelisk after one turn and Ra was unaffected Since all of Yugioh in every single form comes down to “because the rule maker said so”, we still don’t have enough proof to say god cards ALWAYS go back to the grave after being special summoned from there. Because in the manga they seem to say that Monster Reborn is the only card in the entire game that can special summon a monster from the graveyard The anime has a lot of weirdness to it that people just call cheating, but the manga makes a much more coherent explanation and has rule consistencies we don’t see in the anime when it comes to Battle City The anime made the game too much like the TCG, which isn’t consistent in rulings
@@customcardguyMagic Cylinder was a Spell in the Manga if I recall, but the manga makes it clear only “most” spells & traps won’t do them in which is probably why everything from Ishizu’s bomb to the shenanigans in those NAWCQ scripted duels makes it even harder Like whatever version of Crush Card Virus the plot demands for fun It just seems a lot easier to manipulate the target of their attacks or guard your cards from them with a card other than themselves, than try to contest them in any way other than stats especially with some weird lines and the “10 star monsters need 3 tributes” being a universal rule. It’s almost surprising there weren’t any one-off gods in the tournament. But Magical Dimension being viable to beat Ra in the manga is hilarious. So I could totally see Glow Moss using its effect in response to Slifer’s 2nd mouth…. somehow, lol
Nah pharaoh never settles…his turn: Draws Card Destruction; activates it; Draws 5 ( Monster Reborn, Multiply, Obelisk, Brain Control, and another perfect card I’m sure); activate Monster Reborn to bring back the discarded Kuriboh; activate Multiply, giving 5 tokens; Sacrifice 3 to summon Obelisk; activate brain control to take Flare Neos; activate Obelisks ability, sacrificing last 2 tokens for either infinite atk to win, or storm the board and wipe all monsters, then follow up with attacking with Flare Neos for win. Even if Judai survives somehow, he’s got nothing to take down Flare Neos AND Obelisk
Multiply's effect in GX was retconned to match its real life version, so the tokens can't be tributed for a summon. That's the first place I started and was immediately shut down xD
@@customcardguyimagine dueling in the past and somehow your presence rewrites the pre-erratas for both sides with all the time travel in the series, it’s a bit funny that never came up
I still have to watch the full video but slifer returning to the grave is not going to happen. Slifer didn't go the grave when summoned by summoning clock so this just destroys the whole prediction.
The difference there would be that Slifer was summoned from hand. When the god cards are special summoned from the grave, they go back in the end phase.
@@customcardguy That might be right but the fact it might not happen is still to take in consideration. Anime gods have always been inconsistent during the show and the only time gods return from the grave where when the owner used monster reborn. I don't think that the location matters when you summon a god. I think that trap cards can actually make gods stick to the field. If not I the reason I think Slifer would still stick to the field is that it's summoning mechanic back there was almost similar to summoning clock, both summoned Slifer by tributing a monster, so it's was more likely that it would stick to the field.
@@kevinosi6850 That's an interesting theory, that since Dark Renewal is like "tributing" monsters, Slifer sticks. Ultimately I went with the consensus understanding of the anime effects, but like you said, so much of the god cards' effects are inconsistent so it comes down to speculation.
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the symbolism of judai going against slifer, ra, then obelisk was a really nice touch, dare i say peak
Divine Neos being boosted to Infinity to match Obelisk's Fist of Fate would've gone crazy. Infinity vs Infinity, a clash we'll never know the answer to because it was infinite
Well, you see, when 2 monsters with the same Atk battle...
@@djt08031996They're destroyed after damage calculation, you cant calculate damage if their attack is changing infinitely
@@socialaccount0000 the change is already done. They both have infinite atk. They're both destroyed and neither duelist takes any damage
In the anime ∞ vs ∞ has happened with Timaeus the Knight of Destiny VS Divine Serpent Geh, and in the Yugioh R manga with Obelisk the Tormentor VS The Wicked Avatar. In both cases, both monsters were destroyed by battle and no damage was dealt.
@@socialaccount0000 we saw the answer to this with Dartz and likewise here Jaden did something to add onto infinity. So Jaden wins that clash less Atem’s set card activates.
The fact that you composed such an ending to their duel under the circumstances they were in is nothing short of impressive. I would've LOVED to see it end like that! Would be cool if someone made it a fan-animation...
That was an amazing custom card duel! I loved the twists and turns. It really did feel like the finale we never got, and it STILL ended with an ambiguous winner.
Yah that's literally how it should have ended with atom going through all the gods in order as Jaden's school as an anime moment where we get to see Jaden overcome a real graduation ceremony from the king of games. But only thing though issue I have is that we are assuming yugi and Jaden have 40 cards in deck. They never actually say how many cards are in their decks. So they could of still had more cards to draw.
Won't Jaden win since he has more mons and cards in hand.
@@AaronHeininger Official duels in the anime/manga (like in tournaments and such) do require 40-card decks. This is mentioned here and there in the original and GX. I can't remember for certain if anyone ever breaks this rule in casual duels, so I just stuck with the 40 assumption. But even if there were more cards to work with, I wouldn't have changed the script. They would simply have more cards remaining in their decks.
@@customcardguy yah but they never tell you if they play with more cards or just 40. And if so Zane is cracked to always draw cyber dragon in a 40 card deck where he only shown to have 7 monsters season one in main deck and I'm assuming he has 3 of each fusion since end dragon he summoned three times.
Your anime version is now my canonical idea of how this duel ended. It's just too perfect and fitting for both sides, and the overall story!
Glad you liked it!
This was awesome! I always thought the Yugi vs Judai duel was one of the best, and yet you made it even better
NAH... That custom anime duel was the best way to conclude the GX Series, Episode 181 if you ask me.
I legit got teary when you tied everything together at the end of the duel. Well done.
Glad you enjoyed!
I found you from your Kaiba v Bakura vid and liked how you analyzed it. This is a really well made vid too.
I like how you go over all the details meticulously but also go over how things might go from an anime writing perspective
Appreciate you watching!
Ending the duel with Divine Neos vs Infinite Obelisk is so freaking cool!
Legacy of the Duelist answers this question for you: Judai/Jaden wins. Every normal duel has you playing as the canonical victor of that duel first, before allowing you to play the Reverse Duels. I'd say that the method of victory does matter becuase we never see exactly HOW Jaden would have won the duel, but Legacy of the Duelist has you playing as Jaden, and you must win the duel to finish the GX campaign.
Jaden defeats the King of Games, and is granted the title.
That was freaking sweet. Nice going.
Read this in Jaden dub voice
I don’t think Judai still had Honest. The anime ending was perfect either way, though.
I subscribe to the theory that Dylan from Yugioh everything made some years ago and that’s the duel doesn’t have a winner. Yugi was trying to show Judai what he lost over his schooling career and he got that at the end once Slifer hit the field so once he called the attack the duel ended literally with no winner and he woke up in the desert
Which just furthers my question as to wtf is up with adult Yugi in GX? Has he straight up become a sorcerer somehow? Dude doesn't have any millennium items, is years removed from his time with Atem, yet apparently has some precognition since he just happens to meet Judai/Jaden on his way to his entrance exam to give him Winged Kuriboh and then again when J goes to see the replica of Yugi's deck contemplating leaving the academy...then seemingly straight up either teleports J backwards in time to meet with a younger him pre-Millennium World or puts J into an insane illusion world to have him simulate those events.
Dude gave up becoming a game designer and decided to become a legit dark magician instead I guess.
@@MrrynI like the idea of a Yugi with mysterious dark powers lol.
@@NeoDeity I'm with you, but I just want to more info. Where's my jacked wizard adult Yugi arc??
Love the idea of the new way of looking at these duels, staying true to the anime and showing off scenes progressively getting better and better and such. Would love to see more videos like this, and maybe even the Anime Method being used on the Bakura Vs. Seto duel too.
With the Yugi Vs. Joey duel not being on-screen and with Yugi/Atem Vs. Jaden being the only protagonist Vs. protagonist duel we got, do you think other protagonist Vs. protagonist ideas would be something of an interesting idea too? Like Yusei Vs. Yugi, Yuma Vs. Yusei, Yusaku Vs. Yusei, etc., and even other characters like Jack Atlas Vs. Seto Kaiba or Chazz Vs. Kaito, etc. etc.. Probably asking too much with that though, but...I think it's something of an idea, even if too much of an idea to write up on the spot or anything.
A year already? Wow. Time does fly (heck, just look at the anime) - I think the first video I watched (or was at least around for) was the Diabound one, maybe a little earlier than that (at the very least, I'm sure you were at like a 10th of the amount of subscribers you are now at the time I subscribed).
Appreciate you being a longtime subscriber!
I'll likely focus first on incomplete duels from the anime since those at least give me some parameters to work with, and usually only require 3-5 turns to complete. Scripting a net-new duel is a bit tougher ask, but it is something I'd like to explore. In the meantime, we'll rely on those scripted voice actor duels at YCS/National Qualifiers 😅
@@customcardguy That's completely fair! Looking forward to them.
I haven't kept up with those, I should look into watching more. Watched a few already too (I remember at least Toon Ra and "Xyz *what*?!" at least, as well as Atem vs. Astral), but it's been quite a while since.
Your anime duel sounds awesome!
The honest play was actually insane😂❤
your anime battle is now cannon to me
Yoooooooo I LOVE this version of the final duel
It makes sense that best card and good play anyone of the could have one. Yugi and judai being equals fit really well. The infinity draw is a showing ending move 🔥🔥
Glad you enjoyed it!
The funny part is that Yugi could also had summoned Obnoxious Celtic Guard instead of Dark Magician using Code Change, so it was a real Option Select for bro XD
17:10 Or, as Kaiba once said, "It's no monster. It's a god."
13:10 I wished this was done for your bakura vs kaiba video
I could recreate that video in the future and add the anime method. But people will yell at me if I script Bakura to win xD
@@customcardguy lol, tbh I have a theory that Kaiba had his rematch against Bakura in the world of memories. If you think about it Yugi, joey, téa maybe Tristan didn't really know they could manifest dules disk and cards until that duel in the Pharaohs tomb. Meanwhile after atems duel with seto Kaiba met him and talked about what was going on then Kaiba walked on his own. For who knows how long but (theif king) Bakura could've imbued his soul in one of the NPC and had a rematch with seto in a shadow game off screen selling the score from what happened on the roof. But that's my theory
It's pretty good video the anime method was fun like hype and story wise seeing important cards and all the gods plus divine neos
Tbh it was Judai's Graduation Duel. And most Shounen stuff they do usually pass the torch down to the next person. Since it is Shounen Jump type of anime. I believe Judai overcame Atem. Because Yugi did send Judai back just so this duel can happen. Coming back full circle of Yugi remembering the duel with Judai. Concluding the journey of Yugi. Passing the torch down.
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@@DarkEclipse23 lol you can use and in the beginning of the sentence. So your comment is irrelevant.
Well, now i hope you get an Itch to do a similar thing for Duels that have Judai vs Yusei, Yusei vs Yuma, Yuma vs Zarc, and Zarc vs Playmaker
The anime method is great! Not bad sir, not bad.
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amazing video, me personally i believe yugi won, judais dialogue implies it when he is in the desert
Very fun watch!
Glad you enjoyed it!
*Sorry, for jumping all over the comment section. I just got some thoughts, but I do like the video.*
One matchup that might be curious to note is if Kaito could still beat Astral by the end of the story, considering that for the barian arc, Utopia was really all he and Yuma could make use of since most of the other 90+ Numbers they had before their final Duel were either absorbed, power drained or in the possession of another party prior to Astral acquiring the Numeron Code. Which is when he’s dubbed the strongest as far as episode titles go.
Woah the anime's duel choreo should've been done by you
Yugi would have won for sure. By the turn end Jaden literally only had Winged Kuriboh left so would have had to end his turn or summon WInged Kuriboh then end his turn. Slifer would go back to the graveyard then Yugi would draw.
Now Yugi's hand at the end of Jaden's turn was Buster Blader, Valkyrian, Magical Hats, Black Luster Soldier, Kuriboh. Now if they followed the basic anime rule of the player getting exactly what they need Yugi would Draw Black Luster Ritual summon Black Luster Soldier by tributing Valkyrian then attack into Neos or Flare Scareb for Game
ph snap this was a legit analysis. Can somebody put this on tgs anime radar?
Imo Jaden has the skills and everything to beat yugi also the way you played this duel would've been awesome to see
*Small tidbit:* While Judai knows a bit about Yugi’s strategies he calls them unpredictable while against Dimitri his Winged Kuriboh reminds him that he isn’t Yugi so he couldn’t pilot the deck like him for real. This is probably why he was surprised Yugi could summon a god card the way he did.
Plus the spirit of Honest left him before the final duel, which is how Judai got the card in the first place, crazy enough.
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The manga specifies that gods revived by spells go back to the grave, and the anime in turn only shows them revived by spells, so Dark Renewal might allow Slifer to stay if the “real duel” truly was to begin.
However this is the same anime where Class System is needed to stop Obelisk while in DSOD Obelisk uses the “its not a monster its a god” method to not have its effects negated so it gets really weird >.>;
I don't recall where in the manga that it specifies spells, but as you said, the rules are inconsistent and dictated by the situation. Either way, it would make for a far less entertaining video if Slifer sticks around xD
thank you
Ok but that yugi play at 1:20 was kinda fire
Sadly the LAST season of GX for THIS Duel NEVER actually got a English dub and with the Egyptian gods still in Yugi's deck Judai/Jaden pretty much LOST the fight as soon as Yugi Summoned the Red Sky Dragon of the 3 god cards.
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Tbh I think the kicker with the anime version is that, realistically, Yugi/Atem still absolutely kicks Jaden/Judai's ass. It honestly ends with Ra, given that the Pharaoh stopped with Phoenix Mode only blowing up one monster. Or even with Obelisk, considering his Soul Energy Max double tribute effect not only makes his Attack infinite, it literally inflicts 4000 damage to everything including J's life points and all of his other monsters. The God cards are super busted and never pushed to their maximum capability (at least by Atem, except maybe Slifer).
I believe Ra's effect slightly changed from DM to GX, where in DM, Ra could only blow up 1 monster in Phoenix mode and then not revert to regular mode the same turn. GX changed both these aspects. But in this situation, if the Pharaoh had blown up Shining Flare Wingman as well, I would've had to change the Pharaoh's last card and/or what Judai draws.
Obelisk's effect is weird to pin down (as are all the god cards). I believe the "tribute 2 monsters" is actually a trigger for two separate effects - the infinite attack and the blow up all monsters and inflict 4000. That's why Judai jumping up to 4500 was key because the Pharaoh couldn't just use that effect. In the anime, we never see anyone use Obelisk's damage effect against someone with more than 4000 LP, so maybe it actually would inflict more. But my workaround to that would've been for Winged Kuriboh's effect to block the damage (similar to how Yugi used Kuriboh to block the damage against Obelisk vs Kaiba). It's somewhat shenanigans in terms of the timing of effects, but the anime has done worse xD
Pot of Greed is not available for this duel as it was never played after the real life banlist that banned it.
Ah, good catch!
Well I don't think he has honest wasn't it someone else's card. That's my only thing I have against the anime method. And I'm afraid the anime method wouldn't be a draw since keep in mind the pharaoh never lost a game in his life which is why yugi defeating him is the only actual manga loss that character receives that wasn't due to a fear of someone dying where he throws the duel.
He lost to Rafael
@@behimjakuposki7111 I'm talking about story wise. The wakening the dragon arc was filler. So it doesn't count.
@@AaronHeininger it counts, it was the same yami yugi btw it was the best arc filler in ygo, you cant not count it just because yugi lost
@@behimjakuposki7111 I'm not counting it cause it was not written by the creator there for its nit apart of the story arc considering nothing was kept card wise or referenced.
@@AaronHeininger thats fair, im counting every episode i watched as a kid
You mentioned it multiple times, but I just could never see Judai setting a monster xD; or any non flip monster deck player
Felt like I was committing some sin xD
It would clue Yugi in on "oh he has Winged Kuriboh", but ultimately doesn't make a difference (at least not in the anime method)
@@customcardguy yeah, yuck being able to assume that it’s winged kuriboh doesn’t matter in that scenario since Judai just needed it for enough tributes.
Yugi won. Slifer was staying on the field because it was special summoned with a trap, just like Summoning Clock in the Final Duel in DM
Spells only work on egyptian gods for one turn, that’s why Monster Reborn wears off and the monster goes back to the grave
No traps in the manga could revive a monster from grave, so this ruling never came up. The anime changed A LOT of rules because the OCG/TCG did not follow the manga rules
Spellbinding Circle is treated as a spell and trap card in the manga, so it was only able to affect Slifer for one turn in Yugi vs Strings
The anime effects of the god cards are hard to pin down, but general consensus is that if they are special summoned from the grave, they go back to the grave. Kaiba explicitly states this in the anime when he revives Obelisk vs Yugi.
The Summoning Clock instance has 2 differences from Monster Reborning a god card. One that it's hand vs grave. The other that it's trap vs spell. So we can't definitively use that example as proof that Slifer wasn't sent to the grave because it was summoned via trap because the hand/grave difference also exists. Tangentially, it's possible that the anime writers simply goofed here because Slifer being summoned via Summoning Clock didn't occur in the manga, and there are other instances where changes in the anime from manga ended up breaking established rules.
I don't recall Spellbinding Circle ever being a spell card, but regardless, in the instance against Strings, it was a trap in both anime and manga. So this is more so proof that traps also only work on god cards for a turn. Again though, the rules are finnicky and we don't have any examples of traps or spells having a prolonged effect on the god cards, other than Mound of Bound Creator from GX.
All that said, if Slifer for whatever reason stays on board, then yes Yugi wins the duel as he simply attacks Neos the next turn. But that wouldn't have been a worthwhile video 😅
@@customcardguy Kaiba did not specifically say if they are special summoned from the grave they go back at the end of the turn. He said in the anime translation I’m watching “Gods can only be raised for one turn”
However, he used Magical Trick Mirror to activate Monster Reborn. And the way the manga rules things, even attacks like Slifer’s second mouth seem to be considered magic attacks. That’s why it wore off Obelisk after one turn and Ra was unaffected
Since all of Yugioh in every single form comes down to “because the rule maker said so”, we still don’t have enough proof to say god cards ALWAYS go back to the grave after being special summoned from there. Because in the manga they seem to say that Monster Reborn is the only card in the entire game that can special summon a monster from the graveyard
The anime has a lot of weirdness to it that people just call cheating, but the manga makes a much more coherent explanation and has rule consistencies we don’t see in the anime when it comes to Battle City
The anime made the game too much like the TCG, which isn’t consistent in rulings
@@customcardguyMagic Cylinder was a Spell in the Manga if I recall, but the manga makes it clear only “most” spells & traps won’t do them in which is probably why everything from Ishizu’s bomb to the shenanigans in those NAWCQ scripted duels makes it even harder
Like whatever version of Crush Card Virus the plot demands for fun
It just seems a lot easier to manipulate the target of their attacks or guard your cards from them with a card other than themselves, than try to contest them in any way other than stats especially with some weird lines and the “10 star monsters need 3 tributes” being a universal rule. It’s almost surprising there weren’t any one-off gods in the tournament.
But Magical Dimension being viable to beat Ra in the manga is hilarious. So I could totally see Glow Moss using its effect in response to Slifer’s 2nd mouth…. somehow, lol
But what does pot of greed do tho?
Yugi obviously!
The last thing we see of the Duel was Neos attacking Sliffer knowing Judai could not win. Because it was never about winning.
Spoiler: it still isn't about winning
Yugi, he had Envoy and DMoC, both of which are superior to everything on Jaden's deck that is more cumbersome than Yugi's to summon anything properly.
Nah pharaoh never settles…his turn: Draws Card Destruction; activates it; Draws 5 ( Monster Reborn, Multiply, Obelisk, Brain Control, and another perfect card I’m sure); activate Monster Reborn to bring back the discarded Kuriboh; activate Multiply, giving 5 tokens; Sacrifice 3 to summon Obelisk; activate brain control to take Flare Neos; activate Obelisks ability, sacrificing last 2 tokens for either infinite atk to win, or storm the board and wipe all monsters, then follow up with attacking with Flare Neos for win.
Even if Judai survives somehow, he’s got nothing to take down Flare Neos AND Obelisk
Multiply's effect in GX was retconned to match its real life version, so the tokens can't be tributed for a summon. That's the first place I started and was immediately shut down xD
@@customcardguyimagine dueling in the past and somehow your presence rewrites the pre-erratas for both sides
with all the time travel in the series, it’s a bit funny that never came up
Imagine Judai drawing SuperPoli and fuse Kuriboh and Neos tô do Brave Neos as a debut New Hero
Honestly surprised that's not a thing
Please Be A Tie.
Have I got news for you
I watched all of Yu-Gi-Oh! GX like the dubbed version and I don’t remember yugi dueling Jaden
Season 4 of GX was unfortunately not dubbed
@ why not?
@@MoiveGuy24 I think they didn't want to delay 5Ds dub
@ oh, they could’ve released it with the dub version and then just release 5D afterwards
Honest would have put divine neos beyond infinity ask Dartz.
I still have to watch the full video but slifer returning to the grave is not going to happen. Slifer didn't go the grave when summoned by summoning clock so this just destroys the whole prediction.
The difference there would be that Slifer was summoned from hand. When the god cards are special summoned from the grave, they go back in the end phase.
@@customcardguy That might be right but the fact it might not happen is still to take in consideration. Anime gods have always been inconsistent during the show and the only time gods return from the grave where when the owner used monster reborn. I don't think that the location matters when you summon a god. I think that trap cards can actually make gods stick to the field. If not I the reason I think Slifer would still stick to the field is that it's summoning mechanic back there was almost similar to summoning clock, both summoned Slifer by tributing a monster, so it's was more likely that it would stick to the field.
@@kevinosi6850 That's an interesting theory, that since Dark Renewal is like "tributing" monsters, Slifer sticks. Ultimately I went with the consensus understanding of the anime effects, but like you said, so much of the god cards' effects are inconsistent so it comes down to speculation.
Jaden.
Yugi no diff
If only the dub version of episode 156 - 180 were 100% complete years ago.
Exactly since their respective voice actors ARE still alive.
@@veghesther3204 I know that.
Sacrificing Waifu he's pure evil!
Just say Jaden
Ygopro has ALL cards for free
Does it have a pool of custom cards? A lot of the ones featured here are anime-exclusive so had to be user-created on DB.
@@customcardguy better find out for yourself buddy
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Who’s “judai.” Yeah, I know, but his name is Jaden. Don’t care about the Japanese haters. His name is Jaden.
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You don't just declare an attack for dramatic freeze-frames. Judai threw.
The only thing Judai throws are face-downs.
Yusei came out of nowhere and beat both
Actually I would’ve won, I’d just summon 2 omninegates and I’m good 😈😭🙏