My Worst Seat - EVER! | Engels Coach Shop
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- This has got to be the most uncomfortable seat I have ever built, even though it seems to be historically correct for this mud wagon coach. Building and restoring horse drawn vehicles is always challenging my limits. Woodworking to blacksmithing to learning history, it's all part of the game.
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Thanks Dave and Diane, I look forward to watching your videos every Tuesday and Friday evening.
JUST what I needed for a Friday evening, with a well deserved Kentucky nectar, after a wild week of maintaining a horse farm and small cattle farm learning as I go. Thank you Dave!
I had to smile when you gave your honest opinion on the „comfort“ of the drivers seat! In my lifetime I have sat many hours on seats at meetings and conferences in hotels and conference centers including the lecture halls of universities. I have cursed the designers of practically all of the different seating and have more than once wished for them to be seated for eternity on their own creations. It seems to be true throughout the centuries that those who design seating avoid at all costs to sit on these for any length of time! But you are innocent! You got pictures to support you and the remnants, of which I am still absolutely flabbergasted as to how many clues the pile of firewood has discluded to the eye of you, the expert who can look at a bolt hole in a rotten plank and come up with the founded design of a complete stage coach. Thank you for letting us take part in that detective investigation and a nice weekend to you and your family.
Kinda funny in a way. You're sitting there saying yuck, we're sitting here saying " he's building a real wagon " from the ground up. Good job Dave.
I bet the blacksmiths and waggon builders in the days of old would've loved having that press to bend perfect 90° angles in 2 seconds
Yeah, it must have been super annoying to make all those parts back in the day. I wonder if there were big mechanical presses that used leverage and weight to make up for lack of hydraulics.
Outstanding video!!!
The hydraulic press was invented in 1795 - so, they were in use - albeit manually operated.
Leaving aside the fact that they did have presses, you don't need a press like his to get the same results fast. Heat the iron proper and you'll bend it with your hand on a jig. Same results, different pathways.
Remember, more than one way to skin the cat. :)
Remember folks no matter what you think or say there's always a stubby bus load of youtube commenters that will try to show the world what geniuses they are by trying to make you look stupid
Dave, I really enjoy watching you work!
I find Dave's blacksmithing soooo relaxing. I just can't take my eyes off.
Like you, I often use a farrier's hammer for small driving jobs in the shop. The one I have was made by Atha in the late 1800s...it belonged to my granddad. We love your videos!
This reminds me that I made a 1 foot model of a Conestoga covered wagon when I was about 8 years old.
From scratch.
(With a little help from my father, of course...)
I treasured it.
Back in the day I bet those coach builders would say that will work. Nice that will work Dave.
here again, 3 hours behind. It's a treat to watch, that frt seat went together quick and smooth.
An uncomfortable seat leads to a properly surly driver, doncha know? 😉
An uncomfortable seat might have led to a quicker trip, too.
That makes me feel sorry for the horses.
Great video
Just glad I didn’t have to ride on it!!!!
Or, a driver who won't fall asleep on the road.
Hi, right hand drive , like it . Many thanks from UK.
Sure do enjoy watching your videos. The way you speak and work reminds me so much of my mentor when I was a young man. He taught me about working with my hands and the Lord. If you were closer I would buy you a cup of coffee and tell you about him.
I heard once that the average height and weight for a man in 1930 , according to the CCC was 5'-8" 145 lbs.
I purchased a 1947 Chevy COE ( cab over engine ) sight unseen, when I climbed into the cab it was like fitting ten pounds of you know what into a five pound bag.
Those old vehicles must have been roomy back in the day but no so much now.
A good job you have some photos to work from .
Coming along nicely 👍👍👍
Amazing carpenter and iron working skills. You make it look easy to rebuild the coach.
The level seat and vertical back is a killer on your tailbone. I know that driving a team you tend to lean forward, but geeeze, that looks uncomfortable.
also, but I think it isnt right, it has to be slighty curved backwards. 7 degrees will do.
Thanks for making it as you see it and keeping it historically correct.
Unfortunately, he did it while wearing both a Jean shirt and pants at the same time... I think it is his way of calling out for help.
The truck I used to drive (Mercedes) had a wonderful back support. It had air cushioning for your lower back to stop you moving sideways. The Volvo I drive now doesn't have the same back support.
On top of that I spend a reasonable amount of time off road or on gravel roads.
I do however have an air sprung seat! You can't help but wonder how they did it day in day out.
They really were a different breed back then.
A wider person in that seat will agree with you..."Boy is this seat uncomfortable".
Thank you for sharing. It will definitely make it so the driver won't fall asleep at the reins or fall off of it. I find it hard when a genius designs something and then tortures the person using it. I have had that happen at work and had to learn patience to deal with their work, and no suggestion will ever change their mind because they think they are so smart.
Its been a hell of a journey of exploration so far Dave
Gosh,I really would like to see this coach in action one day . Great build as always,thank you for sharing 😊
Looks good to me as per the pictures but I certainly wouldnt want to spend a few hours on rough tracks driving it....oh boy no!! Props to you for accuracy though , thanks for sharing
With the bracing and the nuts sticking into the driver's back too, the original designer might have disliked coach drivers? Maybe his wife ran away with a driver.😊 You do such nice work. Thank you for sharing with us.
That seat is nothing compared to him wearing Jean pants and shirts at the same time. Just seeing this is making me sick. Someone needs to contact his family, if he has any.
Beautiful work.
This would have to have been the most uncomfortable wagon in the West. Definitely economy class, no meal, no drinks, no restroom, wooden seats, not even a bag of peanuts. Highway men wouldn't even bother pulling up this coach to rob the poor passengers. Always a pleasure watching your workmanship in action.
He's going make cushions, at least for the passengers, I imagine the driver too.
Wow Dave thats a new Furness I see nice
Love the forging and having to build parts that have to be a duplicate of original parts. Great video
And thus--the airline "coach class" seat was invented more than 100 years before the airplane
Once again thanks for the video.
Dave your craft men ship is tops Thank You
At 7:00 Dave starts using the bending tool. I notice that he has deep and thorough knowledge of how to use it.Dave changes the posts, and the sleeves, based on what he wants to do, and what the tool does to the rod he is bending. I think it would takes months of daily use, with a teacher, to learn this.
Hola Rick,
Estoy ansioso cada sábado para ver tus vídeos, eres un genio trabajando tanto la madera como el acero, un artesano de la vieja escuela, como decimos por aquí, en Catalunya, lo mismo planchas un huevo que fríes una corbata, lastima que todo es en inglés, pero con la traducción simultánea al castellano me voy enterando de lo que comentas.
Animo que cada vez queda menos para terminar tan espectacular trabajo.
Your blacksmithing skills are just as amazing as your woodworking !
Don't think they were very concerned with the driver's comfort back in those days. Probably would have been different if the owner was the driver.
Driver typically will be leaning forward-
@@horacerumpole6912 Precisely, imagine him being perched up there with nothing to prevent him falling over backwards.
Just a humble input, I think I would use the front wheel as a relative reference and done the sizing from that.
Thank you for bringing us along!
In addition to being an extraordinary craftsman you also seem to use the most beautiful wood.
Don't sell yourself short. Considering what you had to start with I think you did a great job. The owner should be more than well pleased at your result...
Amazing, just amazing.
👏👏 estava ansioso para assistir mais um capítulo desta grande história.
Deus abençoe a todos.
absolutely beautiful sir
The video was excellent as well. 👏👏
You can scale out those photos! If there is a single known dimension in the photo (i.e. some of the irons that you physically have) you can scale any unknown dimension on that photo with a set of sharp dividers and a dial caliper!!! (in regards to seat back, width, top height, etc)
Enjoyed the ride.
Dave, can't say enough how much I've enjoy your channel, love how precise you do your work. If you have time just a few questions, I got quite a few old hammers my self, what do you call that little goats foot hammer you use? Some times you use coal other times gas, does it have to do with the amount of metal you have to move? When you put the metal on the seats would it make a difference if it's on top or underneath, then the head is only thing you have to contend with when making the seat covering. Just curious
Dave is about my age, but with 4 times the intelligence and energy. He's a phenom...
As always, really enjoyed the vid, one thing, that hollow space under the seat is begging to be partially boxed in and maybe with a removable lid to make a storage compartment.
Back when I was interested in the Civil War I was told that the average soldier was between 5ft and 5ft 5 in. tall.
Thanks for another great video. May GOD bless you and yours.
Great video, you will make it work out, always enjoy coming in by invite, thanks
Dave, it obvious you enjoy all phases and skills on each project: woodworking, blacksmithing, wheelwright, machinist, painter, upholsterer, engineer, investigator, historian, etc. While you enjoy it all, which is your absolute favorite and, likewise, which is your least favorite? And why?
Thanks!
Awesome sir .
So.... this is the original racing bucket seat? 😁
I was watching very carefully when you were bending the bars...the pea is under the closest bar!
My back hurts just looking at the boot seat. No thank you. But thanks for sharing.
You're looking for precision in something that really didn't have it. Most items were still bespoke in the way each craftsman did things, and interchangeable parts were slower to become standard.
Maybe this was the most uncomfortable seat you ever built, Dave, but the way you built it reflected your unmatched skills once again!
And just like magic it's done!!!!
Just by the picture, it looked to me that the back came up not quite so high, just above belt level. But I don't know if that makes any difference with the comfort. (And you're the expert... I'm just a gawker.)
Based on the picture with just a couple of people standing beside the coach, it looks like the driver's seat does not have a wood arm as high as you made yours. It looks like it might be 2-3 inches in the front slopping up to maybe 5 or 6 in the back. The metal arm seams to be only two - three inches high on the front and follows the taper of the wood to the back of the seat. I think that this would give the driver a little more room when getting on and off and working the brake.
Once you pad the seat out it will get better….I would have given an inch or two on the center armrest to accomodate wider persons…I hate going to my local vaudeville house and sitting a theater chair from the 1920’s.
Karl--People in the 1920/30's didn't have anything to eat. Maybe didn't NEED larger seats? JS.
I am hoping there will be test drive avinchaly.
A perfect seat. Your shop is interesting. 🍞
And a bach rest iron and bolt nuts to jab in your back too - yech.
Well you can't have a driver get comfortable. He'll fall asleep and crash! Lol
The horses know the way, hahahaha.
A seat only a Quaker would find agreeable-
It certainly looks uncomfortable as hell! 😂
Sure going to wear the driver’s pants in interesting places. And your comment on the little divider and operating the brake with the right leg remind me of an unanswered question: why do American cars have right-hand drive?
That seat iron by your left leg would make your leg very sore after just a few miles rubbing on it bouncing down the road.
The driver set is a bit small but like you said got to go with the history.
Considering you're leaning forward as you muster the horses, i should think they didn't need a leaned seat. With a seat cushion, it should be ok.
On a side note, they were hardier folk back then, creature comforts wasn't on the forefront of the maker's mind when this was made. Even if you account for smaller people on average, you still end up with an economy vehicle. Regardless of that, it's not like it's your fault, you're just following the trail.
I don't know if you actually read these comments but I did experiment that a woodworker showed me type bond 3 or type bond 2 if you only. Put the glue on one side of the surface and the edge service you rough up with a wire wheel. Giving the pores of the bond t works extremely well
Now all you need is a good team to pull it
Thanks Guys
Yee haw me first! Let the education continue!
I believe these seats were intended to deter highway robbery … No outlaw would dare tangle with a coach driver who’s crazy enough to sit in such a seat
The seat is fine, keeps the driver aware.
❤Respekt Meister Bravo 👍💪❤️
I feel that back then almost all people sitting on them seats would have had the worse traveling experiance EVER. ALL would have had there Pants, Dresses, Shirts and Jackets torn to pieces with all that Iron beneath, beside and behind them to site on !!
Man! Whomever bought a ticket on that thing would be driving their ownself, not me.
A note from the UK. You guys drove wagons from the right side. How did you get it so wrong with cars and trucks?
Спасибо.
I very much enjoy following every build you do, Thank you sir for sharing. One question, I see you use a coal forge at times and gas at others, do you have a preference or reasoning behind which one you use for the various tasks?
Your video could have lasted another 45 minutes as I really look forward to watching them.
would it help if there was a wedge shape cushion.
In one of your videos, you were speaking highly about a battery powered chainsaw you use. Would you tell me what make and model it is? I would like to buy one.
This is not a seat, it's for more a clamp. The poor drivers needed strong backbones and ribs.
Are you adding seat cushions?
Yes indeed, I would let you do the driving!
At 5:06 is that a newer forge? I don't recall seeing this before.
No, he's had it quite awhile.
I wonder if the driver ever tied himself in using the metal rails....
You'd think they'd just crank them seats out all day long to fit all the locations.
What would go in the box under the driver, behind his feet? Mail?
Why were the nuts on the driver side of the bench?
Did the driver's seat get any sort of padding at all, or did they have to sit straight on the wood?
It will get padding.
Dave l Like the new. Furnace, is it better than your old one ?
It's not new. It just works better for some things.
@@dianeengel4155 making pies ?
😄
I see you simulating being the driver, and sitting on the right side of the wagon. In that era, was it that wagons went down roads driving on the left as in england or is it for another reason?
Why is his family not stepping in? He is wearing Jean pants and shirts. Someone needs to do something.