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Fun fact for people like me who are not mountaineers: you can reach the summit of hundreds of peaks in the United States by simply hiking. I know they are not the highest point on earth but regular people can hike up lots of mountains without special gear or climbing ability and feel like you are on top of the world. I watch all of these videos out of curiosity and a morbid fascination but I hope people know that while you may not be risking your life with every step, you too can feel the exhilaration, accomplishment and awe by hiking up to majestic peaks without the risk of dying. I live in Montana and I can drive 30 minutes or so in any direction, hike to a peak, actually enjoy the summit and return home the same day. That's not to say that there aren't dangerous, technical mountains here but there are so many that are accessible to normal folks. Of course you need to be prepared, hydrated and smart about it but no lie: you can visit mountains whose peaks are so beautiful that your breath will be taken away (but not literally). I am always fascinated by these highly skilled climbers who intentionally take the hardest routes and risk their very lives but for those of us without those skills (and money), the experience of summiting a 10,000 foot accessible peak will always bring not only a sense of accomplishment but a magical wonder that is unique to standing at the top of a mountain.
Combine huge egos, huge sums of money, bad weather, a critical level of crowding and a limited time window. It does sound like a perfect storm (no pun intended) for a multi-fatality accident.
Probably going to see a repeat of that previous year where there were lines banked up down the mountain. If it slows everyone down enough, there will be more fatalities. Can't see why this isn't obvious and something is being done to stop it. I know people are paying a lot to be there, but they almost need to put a time limit on the expeditions so if they miss their booked window for the season that's that and they have to leave so you don't get this build up of people waiting to rush together for the summit on the first sign of an ok day.
It's a very sad state of affairs that has happened to the Mother of all mountains. Being a Sherpa mountain guide or support on Everest is the highest paid job that draws young men to take the risk. I am not a technical mountain climber, but have lived in the mountains of Colorado all my life and trekked twice in Nepal up to 16,000 ft. (I'm very used to high altitudes, but have no desire to go to the Death Zone.) My dad and I always fell in love with our Sherpa men and women and the death of any one of the Sherpa hits me hard in my heart. They are the most wonderful people! I believe the #1 question that should be asked of everyone who climbs Everest is "Are you prepared to die for this adventure?" If you can't answer an unqualified YES, then don't do it! Because your chance, as I see it, is 50/50 and the descent is the most hazardous. Unfortunately, I'm afraid that the Nepali government wants the money as much as the thrill seekers want the summit. Love all your videos. Thanks.
@@Redskies453 It could be 50/50 for some people, depending on how ill-prepared they are. But you are correct, on average, it's like 2% death rate. There is always a random factor, but people's personal risk can be more or less greater than 2% depending on how prepared they are.
"Unfortunately, I'm afraid that the Nepali government wants the money as much as the thrill seekers want the summit." Bingo. Humanity could fuck up a wet dream...
@@Redskies453 It used to be a lot closer to 50/50, and I suspect that mountaineering in general, as well as Everest itself, would be in a lot better shape if that number had remained intact.
@@Redskies453 Without sherpa and supplemental oxygen the probability of 50/50 based on actual statistics is not that far off. Probably even more 65/35 with the odds against you.
@@Redskies453 Oh lord, give me strength with these shameful math skills! I'm an insurance risk analyst, workers comp, employee benefits and life insurance - I don't throw any estimates out of thin air. The analysis under is only based on a few variables and the numbers I have mentioned, and a very rough estimate. Only 221 people has ever been able to climb Everest without supplemental oxygen, Around 6600 different people have summited in total. 328 people have died on Everest, and 178 of them died trying without supplemental oxygen. These numbers include sherpas. Because the entire route is fixed and only a few hundred people are on the summit at any given time during the climbing season, you could get by without the assistance of a Sherpa in the current conditions. However, moving without supplemental oxygen above camp 3 would be tough enough and functioning over 8000 meters in the death zone would indeed be catastrophic. Inclement weather would make erecting your tent and operating on thin air while increasing vertical meters far more difficult and perilous. So without supplemental oxygen (only based on these numbers), you probably have 50% chance of dying. If you want to top it off doing it without a sherpa and even those ropes they have fixed for you, your chances of dying I probably much higher than that, probably over 65-70% as I wrote. Two situations - two Numbers What don’t you understand?
I feel like all the attempts at records on the 8000ers are kind of moot, because if any of the Sherpas wanted to, they could break every record easily.
@@chrisburn1365 I think you may have missed the point. A “record” time means nothing if someone else can just beat it. Not negating the achievement of climbing Everest.
@@truthof7382 if you're going to quote then actually quote, the word used was "records" *plural, the word time wasn't used. My point is absolutely valid and I've not missed the point being made, which is absurd and more than likely founded from a position of never having really achieved anything that could stand close to climbing to the worlds highest mountain.
@@chrisburn1365 congrats on the most pedantic and pointless criticism on someone’s use of quotation marks. Learn to take criticism better, you’re coming off very irritated
I would like to hear a lot more about how, the rescue attempt for the departed Sherpa, loss "to fate," especially after the company felt no obligation to directly notify the family.
Me as well. I imagine that somehow we might find more info about that. However, probably not from the high altitude workers, as their livelihood depends on keeping a bit quiet, which I do completely understand. Hopefully, a client will open up about it.
Climbing Mount Everest has become a tourist activity. "Where are you going?" "To Nepal" "Are you going sight seeing, experience the culture, enjoy the natural beauty?" "No, we're gonna climb Everest"
Just read about the traffic jam and the unfortunate fatalities on Everest from the NY Post. Immediately thought of your channel and finally have a free moment to watch. Crazy. Crazy. Can’t believe the video that was on the Post. Have to reconsider that question you asked a few months ago. About a commission or the actual government getting more involved and regulating with an iron grip. At first. I said hard no. Now? It’s a good thing to discuss and especially for the pros like yourself. God bless you and thanks for the great content
The workers need to form a union and demand equal rights for the guests and workers. It crazy how underpayed they are, and also how many times there is not enough oxygen for them either
Thank you for your video ! I was wondering about this season on Everest and I trust your insight and Angela Benavides analyses. All my thoughts to Lakpa Tenji Sherpa's family and friends.
I really like you! To many AI generated content on UA-cam. I can tell a big difference. No empathy, no soul especially when talking about those that loose their lives. You do a good job story telling and reporting. Thank you, from an old shut in that depends on UA-cam.
Increases it by quite a bit from what I've gathered. If one person in the line slows down or stops, it holds up everyone behind them. Just going around them is usually too difficult to attempt. If it slows the group down too much, they can miss a crucial window after which descent is nigh impossible and the danger multiplies exponentially.
Very good of course. I was preparing a book on mountaineering disasters in 1998. Life went another direction, which is beside the point because“ this debate we need to have” has been in front of the mountain climbing community for decades. Every climbing expedition support people in the local population should have insurance sufficient to provide for the family if the breadwinner dies. At least on the southside, Everest has not been a worthy goal for, again, over two decades. Not so the north face or searches for Mallory and Irvine. If it is high altitude, tourism you’re looking for then the price should be raised to cover insurance for the local support people. Or, here’s another idea. Increase your climbing skills and tackle, something that is not just high but has technical interest.(of course some of those bad boy mountains have both). there are so many wonderful mountains to climb and so many unclimbed.. Certainly now Everest has a risk factor imposed by the potential of a three hour wait on a logjam of tourists…. in the 90s when I was at Denali Basecamp going to the West Ridge of Mount Hunter there were only two groups going there. Everyone else was waiting in the queue for Denali and there was not that much of a big crowd. Great experience, not the biggest deal in the world, but a simple example of how you can have a great time in the mountains and not just a dangerous tourist adventure
Was so great to finally put a face and personality to Angela! Fantastic interview. Thank you so much for all of your amazing work that you’re doing keeping us all informed and interested.
I don't expect veteran climbers to "recognize" a kid like Ryan Mitchell, but if they are content creators I hope they do recognize that their content may contribute to the "soul hijacking" of Everest as well. There is obviously a large percentage of us that have never climbed anything and never will but still watch all we can about Everest. A much smaller percentage watches this stuff and decides to try. The scary thing about Ryan Mitchell's videos is that they're the first series I've watched where I say to myself, "There's still no way I could climb Everest, but maybe I could just get myself to base camp one day...." A person of my health/experience probably shouldn't be thinking of even trying that much. Depending on his success I fear we will see many more pro youtubers and not pro climbers on the mountain. Having said that, I love his vids and really hope he makes it.
I'm excited for anyone who wants to climb that mountain. I can barely imagine how amazing it would be to climb it at 19 years of age....what would be next lol ? The first person intel on the mountain shows how hard it really is. It's truly an amazing test of willpower, physical and emotional exertion and a little bit of luck that gets people to the top. Thanks for watching the video and for sharing your thoughts!
@@EverestMystery Likewise my man! Love your channel. You and Alan are by far the best commentators on the sport and essential viewing during Everest summit season.
The ratio of Sherpa guides to climbers has increased by leaps and bounds this year. Recently one woman who summitted has THREE guides helping her get to the top. I was laughing to myself recently that they may as well install an escalator. Of course, I'm being facetious. But I believe there will be far fewer deaths and serious illness this year because there are so many guides per climber. it's more than 1:1 ratio. It's become way more safe for the climbers and less safe for the Sherpas. They are carrying all the extra oxygen bottles and babysitting climbers that have so little experience it's ridiculous that they are attempting to climb Everest. It's basically become just a bucket list item for so many people who have no real interest in mountaineering.
I've always wondered why GPS trackers weren't a mandatory requirement on such a publicized location since their inclusion would likely solve these mysteries of "where did they go?" I predict as load bearing drone technology gets better we will come to a point where a robot mule/donkey/mountain goat just ferries people up the mountain without the need to have the technical skill to summit. Everest will lose it's true soul the day where you can ride an elevator to the top and buy a snack from a vending machine which is leased on a yearly auction to the highest bidder.
These "world records" that climbers pursue are not world records at all. First woman from North America to make a climb? Not a record if any other woman had done it before. Who cares where they are from. These people are legends in their own minds. I swear I heard one climber say he was trying to "set a record" by becoming the first asthmatic Canadian to reach the summit. Jesus, like the world has been counting the days until a Canadian asthmatic reached the summit of Everest. I've got a parade planned for you buddy. Legends in their own minds. Which is fine, except for the fact that they don't care who gets hurt or killed along the way. As long as they get their "record".
I cant help but see this as a colonial issue, in the 21st century. Excusing disasters by saying workers had a choice to be there ignores the differential wealth. Certainly a mountain tourist enjoys the hard won workplace safety and court system that protects their loved ones from death and injury in their home country. But what tourist would fully compensate a guide's surviving families if their guides died assisting their climb? Walking away with no responsibility is the pleasure of the wealthy.
There is an organization started by two friends of mine to assist the mountain worker, and exceptional organization that I featured in a recent video, which I feel you might find fascinating. Here is the link, please let me know in the comments your thoughts: ua-cam.com/video/O7IeQ2R1VwU/v-deo.html
I think you make a very important point here. It IS a colonial issue. Disclaimer: I'm afraid of heights and therefore not a climber. That said, I'm fascinated by the desire to climb whether it is the North Face of the Eiger or Everest. With Everest, technology has produced equipment that keeps an inexperienced "mountain climber" alive and healthy enough to make it to the summit. The "Sherpas" (whatever their actual ethnicity may be) are a sort of faceless entity who exist only to serve the mountain tourist and are considered to be a sort of renewable resource. So often I read or hear about Sherpas who make X per season, which is "so much more than the average Sherpa" as if the value of the work provided is based not on the utility and quality of the work but the prevailing average wage. It is like the Eloi and Moorlocks from the movie The Time Machine writ large; the Moorlocks are responsible for taking good care of Eloi but are considered "less than." It's more than a shame, it's an injustice.
@@elobiretv The Sherpa families do not have to suffer from long term poverty and loss of a family member in order to make claiming Everest "affordable."
Over commercialized…..PERIOD!! Understanding it’s a primary resource of revenue for the Nepalese but selling out lives(unqualified climbers) for the almighty dollar extends FAR beyond morals and ethics,IMHO. Thanks for another great vid Thom!!🙏✌️😎
Combined with his, making Everest an advanced Disney trip. I saw several videos about how the trash and human feces is scaring the face of the mountain as well. This surprises me so much because, it is my general understanding, people who love the outdoors, the wilderness, are usually good to the environment. It just sat me back in my seat when I heard base camp and other places are looking like a dump. I heard they have made attempts to clean it up and on this initial effort, took out, I believe 11 tons of left behind supplies and other waste. I don't understand why they don't take out what they brought in and how the "governing body" allows them to just leave, literally, their "shit" behind. This alone, I hope, they will stall the game until they clean up the mess and then reevaluate who gets access to climb the mountain. Quit making it an extreme adventure for those who can afford it, and make it challenge to those who are experienced to climb it. The letting so many armatures climb, not only risk lives of everyone around them, but it's like saying "Because I have enough money, I am going to compete in the world's strongest man contest, just because I can.
I really enjoy this content, it’s wild to think about the risk and reward. That being said it feels alittle weird that climbers are complaining about the extra climbers and their motives. I get it people are doing it for different reasons and they might not appreciate the mountain being clogged up but they are all doing the same thing. Nims purja took that famous picture as he himself was in line. I get it it’s a special thing and it’s an exclusive thing. Mallory said because it’s there. That kind of sums up everyone’s motivation.
I think that insisting on mountain experience (and I don't mean my Scottish Munros 😂 I mean the 8000 m peaks) is a good idea both so that people know what they're getting into (and whether they're likely to be able to manage it) and hopefully also to reduce the death rate. I do think that the high-altitude workers should be trained, equipped and paid well though - and expedition companies should be fined if they don't. It's not fair to expect someone to do a dangerous job which is for the benefit of people in pursuit of personal goals without them being paid commensurately - in my opinion at least.
Everest will always be Everest, and that will never change. What has changed is the respect for the mountain. Money corrupts everything, and always will.
Awesome report and interview. Everest has become like a trip to Disneyland by some people. There is no respect for the dangers or realizing the ability that is necessary to climb Everest. No one should be allowed to climb without Sherpas and support and proven ability. And need to control the amount who can climb the mountain each season.
I surely hope the direction that things are going on Everest can be turned around. It becomes more insane by the year! It looks like a Disneyland crowd. I can't even fathom the undertaking it will be to solve the problems. But I see super intelligent people there like you two that know the industry in every facet. I still have enough (just barely) optimism that balance will be found. You can do it!
Social media has changed everything! People are doing things that they have no business doing simply for likes, clicks, and attention. It is selfishness beyond measure to put these guides at risk for a selfie.
IMO it's not so much about filming and competitive goals as about the attitude with which it's done. Providing there is proper support and respect for the mountains and the guides and support workers then it should be OK. I have been watching Ryan Mitchell's blogs and they give a great sense of the reality of the climb. To be sure, he looked absolutely knackered when he got down from his acclimatising trip to camp 3. I hope he will know when to turn around, if and when the time comes.
It is sad, it is not mountain climbing, it is marking off the bucket list, being the first, letting the world know how great you are. The summit isn't what climbing is about, the records certainly aren't. Same thing is happening with skiing, who can ski the most vertical feet a year, a man in Utah skied 7000. That takes going up and down the mountain as fast as you can, skiing non-stopped, your life is skiing.....totally takes the joy out of skiing and misses the whole point.
I wonder if that lady would give up all her summits to have that sherpa alive and back home with his family. Does she still go for the record? No life is worth someone's selfish ambition.
Forgive my ignorance, but the only reason so many are on the mountain is that they have permits from the government ? Think I’m correct there , so in my opinion there has to be huge questions asked of why so many permits are being given - surely a disaster just waiting to happen , especially with ever decreasing weather windows ? What’s the ratio of permits north side compared to south side ? Great content 🙏
Seems like many people just want to stay on top of ME, to check of a bucket list. The love of the mountains and climbing is almost secondary. I hate to see the locals suffer and die on the mountain because of some rich tourists diseres. But their options are few and far apart if they want to feed their families. Maybe they should construct a tunnelsystem and/or skilifts to the top ensuring a safe ascent and descent or maybe they should close down the mountain all together. Seems like the current situation doesn't work IE over crowding, garbage, risks etc.?
I knew i recognised Lakpa Sherpa from the cinematic masterpiece from Renan ortzuk The ghosts above when i first read about his unfortunate death . A sad loss . RIP Lakpa
It's sad to hear, with the vast amount of money being spent on an Everest summit attempt, that adequate bottle oxygen is not being bought for the support climbers.
Wonder what would be the watershed moment - number of deaths , lowering number of successful summits and/or descents , decreasing revenues . . . troubling .
When Jon Krakauer wrote Into Thin Air he thought it would stop people from wanting to climb the mountain. It had the opposite effect. So...that watershed moment, death and carnage will only delay it....
While I understand people should support young Ryan this whole thing is coming full circle in terms of pollution, encouraging other UA-camrs on risk taking etc. Now then it may lead to next Ana Gutu vs gina marie rzucidlo type thing - where some one will start - The *first* UA-camr to summit all 8000s. Also note that many of these social media personalities are putting even in normal lives common public in supermarkets etc. If some of them climb these I don't know what may happen. They also have the clout of the top companies. I remember Thom telling the many of these sponsors encourage risk taking (Manaslu Hilaree Nelson)... Would be glad to hear Thom's thoughts. May be a Q/A once a month.
Summit dreams; I wanted to put up a route, SW face start from below the rad pitch basecamp on a rising break/ledge into the gully, then out to a V break a last pitch to the face route, a long traverse to where 1st ascent bivi was. Goal was S.Summit only ... not at first, in imaginings it was to send ashes to the wind & tho't not to summit best for me. Ymmv 🍺 For fun,
They are adults and responsible for their own survival. The recreational activity of mountaineering doesn't need gatekeepers . In 1989 i read Hermann Buhl , Nanga Parbat Pilgrimage, the Lonely Challenge . Man's physiological properties of vo2max , muscle mass, endurance, recovery , flexibility etc decrease wigh age as one's available bank roll increases. Who said "Real climbers would rather die then be Short roped "? On on
I live at 800 feet above sea level, the highest I have ever been is 14,500 (well, okay, 14,439, Elbert in Colorado), and it was gasp and wheeze central, truly, it was nightmarish, and I will never do it again.
I hope w all my heart they close this beautiful mountain from climbers. The trash poop and dead bodies is horrific. 99% of climbers motives are ego. Humility is where the true rewards are. Blessings
I unfortunately don't see a time that the mountain will ever be closed. It is a cash cow for Nepal, a massive source of income and employment. Thanks for taking the time to watch and to share your thoughts!
Agreed, especially when you’re only the first person to do XYZ because you have abundance of resources which 90% of the world doesn’t have. If a lot of people in these underdeveloped countries had the same resources as these people I can guarantee they would because they tend to have a lot natural skill, set and work ethic.
@@2434-k3l Exactly. How many of these sherpas have been up and down the mountain several times but hey, we are supposed to laud the first armless lesbian who does it at the possible expense of these men's lives. It's just more narcissism and we don't need more of that.
climbing mountains is a personal thing its when big groups for money and that sense of false safety a group often gives is half the reason why so many deaths, now to many people are in gyms thinking they are in shape done some national park treks think they are ready for the big mountains and money can get me there mentality now a days too it sucks but the way of the world now
@christinemorrison4418 you may have seen this already, but this video is part one of a two parter about last year's most deadly season in Everest history: ua-cam.com/video/O7IeQ2R1VwU/v-deo.html
@EverestMystery I have watched this! It's sad what Everest has become...too commercial and more about clout and selfies..." look what I did".Too crowded and polluted now.Way too many inexperienced climber taking too many shortcuts to what end? Changing subject here. What part of NH are you from? I grew up in Manchester but lived in Plymouth and then in Sugar Hill in the late 70s! I swear I hiked Franconia Notch a couple dozen times, or the Presidential Range numerous times! We used to fly fish at Echo Lake at the base of Canaan Mt.every chance we could !I miss skiing ⛷️ there too!
They should restrict Everest permits to only those that have achieved an 8,000m peak previously. Or push prices much higher for those with no previous 8,000m peak.
It's not just the high altitude workers and their familes affected. The waste and decomposing bodies is contaminating the water supply for millions of people. Very little is said about the diseases acquired while on the mountain due to human waste (organic and nonorganic) combined with the rising temperatures.
Not sure what happened but I was dropped in following you? I wonder if any other subscribers have faced this? I never miss a video and was surprised to see I wasn’t following you..
This makes me so angry. There needs to be some sort of insurance or funding scheme by the climbers for the sherpa's families. I am not a climber, but I'm shocked by the apparent callousness of the ultra-high intensity ones out there who don't want to care for those who help them achieve their goals and see them as expendable accessories. And I love that the man who hosts this channel (don't know his name) is so thoughtful of others and to the planet.
My opinion is not valid given I haven’t climbed beyond 1040m here in Ireland but I don’t agree that anyone that can rock up to Everest with limited experience.. both south and north should have minimum requirements.. climbing a 6000m isn’t enough imo..
High altitude mountaineering is the last bastion of freedom, where an individual decides for themselves how they’re going to summit, regardless of others opinions of what safeguards should be in place, whether imposed by host country legislation or mountaineering organisations. The rub is that, once the decision has been made, to summit without oxygen, can they legitimately turn round to other mountaineers, and expect assistance when they get into trouble? If the summiting pair agreed that if they got into trouble, they would stand by their decision to summit without, fair enough. This still doesn’t preclude others from offering assistance, and it being accepted or refused.
She didn't loose her soul, the wind is aggrevated because tunnels are made in Gaurishankar Area specifically in Lamabagar, Dolakha District for border crossing to Tibet. The mountains are protected by unseen forces. Nepal tourism brings money to their country yet they use this money to dig Nagdhunga and Dolakha tunnels through the Himalayas and cut trees to make way for power lines of hydropower in Gaurishankar area which is next to Khumbu region, where the Everest is. I was there last year and sadly witness the fallen/cut trees along the trail, the pain in my body took me there. I did a Reiki healing transformation and cold therapy in order to endure the pain and heal while I hiked in Rolwaling, which is not my purpose why I came in Nepal. It is forbidden in Sherpa culture to cut trees especially in that area, what more to dig tunnels. It was end of March 2023 before the new rules for hiking was out. I did solo hike and have witnessed what had happen there, I was not supposed to see the hydropower area. I was about to leave Gaurishankar, somehow the route for the sharing jeep was changed and took me there. When I was in Chotchot, I have seen lots of groups, including Japanese team, returned back as they couldn't pass Tashi Lapcha because of heavy snowfall. It was already their second choice of route as the first normal route option was blocked by heavy snowfall too. May the soul of the 3 Sherpas last year and all the souls there, rest in peace. We need to deeply listen to the mountain, wind, thunder and lightning. Some drought areas in Nepal are also connected to this issues. There was no rain in Kathmandu for 5 months, October 12, 2022 was the last one and it rained on March 13, 2023, I was in Nepal looking for nunnery at that time. It was closed then decided to leave Nepal because of the chronic pain in my back, yet my plan changed because of the Beyul in Gaurishankar Area.
Well it sounds like people are taking risk they should not be, but my guess the lack of oxgen really messes people thinking along with this goal to do this no matter what. You spend years training, the expensive and then you get that one window. The top is right there and feel like you can touch it. Yet you can still have several hours to the top. Then coming down is a whole different feeling. You made it. Now you have a long way to go and all that sheer willpower and adrenaline is basically gone. The goal of MT Everest is not to get to the top, but to get back down alive. But to many people think because of the help, this is a walk in a park and it just is not. It is dangerous endeavor that even the most conditioned and experience can lose their life doing. I think Nepal could do better by basically venting people and ensuring they have some real experience before they get a permit. Otherwise this is going to more about having people spend $80k just to be lead to there death.Companies should also require climber if they cannot do pre-climbs at a reasonable pace or the doctor who does a exam before they go and say no, they can deny them support and tell them no. Sometime people have to be saved from there own stupity. But there is plenty to blame from the Nepal government, the companies, to the climbers themselves.
Going up one of the big mountains without oxygen and without any sort of back up is crazy. You have to have the height of either arrogance or ignorance to say that you will not need any support even when it is offered to you freely as has unfortunately likely just been seen.
“First woman from North America” lol people’s need to feel elite and special is leading to a lot of very marginalized, niche type “records”. No doubt Everest is a huge challenge and I imagine a very rewarding experience but why can’t it be left at that … why does everyone need to be the “best”. Like first woman from North America to do anything isn’t an achievement imo. Especially when a lot of people do not post their achievements on social media. Very good chance it’s already been done.
People are totally oblivious to the dangers and the real threat of dying on that towering piece of rock and ice. News outlets are mostly interested on how many 'climbers' died on the mountain.
1 At the base camp, there has to be mandatory rule to carry suppli Oxygen.... 2. Nepal government should set up spare 02 all along the way. As the 99% expedition route is fixed
Not a comment on topic, but it always amazes me that mountaineers, of all people, do not know the difference between altitude and elevation . In almost every mountaineering video i watch those two terms get mixed up
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Fun fact for people like me who are not mountaineers: you can reach the summit of hundreds of peaks in the United States by simply hiking. I know they are not the highest point on earth but regular people can hike up lots of mountains without special gear or climbing ability and feel like you are on top of the world. I watch all of these videos out of curiosity and a morbid fascination but I hope people know that while you may not be risking your life with every step, you too can feel the exhilaration, accomplishment and awe by hiking up to majestic peaks without the risk of dying. I live in Montana and I can drive 30 minutes or so in any direction, hike to a peak, actually enjoy the summit and return home the same day. That's not to say that there aren't dangerous, technical mountains here but there are so many that are accessible to normal folks. Of course you need to be prepared, hydrated and smart about it but no lie: you can visit mountains whose peaks are so beautiful that your breath will be taken away (but not literally). I am always fascinated by these highly skilled climbers who intentionally take the hardest routes and risk their very lives but for those of us without those skills (and money), the experience of summiting a 10,000 foot accessible peak will always bring not only a sense of accomplishment but a magical wonder that is unique to standing at the top of a mountain.
@@pegacorn13 this is a powerful message. You don't need to be the best in order to be YOUR best. Stay blessed ✌🏿💕
Combine huge egos, huge sums of money, bad weather, a critical level of crowding and a limited time window. It does sound like a perfect storm (no pun intended) for a multi-fatality accident.
Probably going to see a repeat of that previous year where there were lines banked up down the mountain. If it slows everyone down enough, there will be more fatalities. Can't see why this isn't obvious and something is being done to stop it. I know people are paying a lot to be there, but they almost need to put a time limit on the expeditions so if they miss their booked window for the season that's that and they have to leave so you don't get this build up of people waiting to rush together for the summit on the first sign of an ok day.
It's a very sad state of affairs that has happened to the Mother of all mountains. Being a Sherpa mountain guide or support on Everest is the highest paid job that draws young men to take the risk. I am not a technical mountain climber, but have lived in the mountains of Colorado all my life and trekked twice in Nepal up to 16,000 ft. (I'm very used to high altitudes, but have no desire to go to the Death Zone.) My dad and I always fell in love with our Sherpa men and women and the death of any one of the Sherpa hits me hard in my heart. They are the most wonderful people! I believe the #1 question that should be asked of everyone who climbs Everest is "Are you prepared to die for this adventure?" If you can't answer an unqualified YES, then don't do it! Because your chance, as I see it, is 50/50 and the descent is the most hazardous. Unfortunately, I'm afraid that the Nepali government wants the money as much as the thrill seekers want the summit. Love all your videos. Thanks.
@@Redskies453 It could be 50/50 for some people, depending on how ill-prepared they are. But you are correct, on average, it's like 2% death rate. There is always a random factor, but people's personal risk can be more or less greater than 2% depending on how prepared they are.
"Unfortunately, I'm afraid that the Nepali government wants the money as much as the thrill seekers want the summit." Bingo. Humanity could fuck up a wet dream...
@@Redskies453 It used to be a lot closer to 50/50, and I suspect that mountaineering in general, as well as Everest itself, would be in a lot better shape if that number had remained intact.
@@Redskies453 Without sherpa and supplemental oxygen the probability of 50/50 based on actual statistics is not that far off. Probably even more 65/35 with the odds against you.
@@Redskies453 Oh lord, give me strength with these shameful math skills! I'm an insurance risk analyst, workers comp, employee benefits and life insurance - I don't throw any estimates out of thin air.
The analysis under is only based on a few variables and the numbers I have mentioned, and a very rough estimate.
Only 221 people has ever been able to climb Everest without supplemental oxygen, Around 6600 different people have summited in total. 328 people have died on Everest, and 178 of them died trying without supplemental oxygen. These numbers include sherpas.
Because the entire route is fixed and only a few hundred people are on the summit at any given time during the climbing season, you could get by without the assistance of a Sherpa in the current conditions. However, moving without supplemental oxygen above camp 3 would be tough enough and functioning over 8000 meters in the death zone would indeed be catastrophic. Inclement weather would make erecting your tent and operating on thin air while increasing vertical meters far more difficult and perilous.
So without supplemental oxygen (only based on these numbers), you probably have 50% chance of dying. If you want to top it off doing it without a sherpa and even those ropes they have fixed for you, your chances of dying I probably much higher than that, probably over 65-70% as I wrote.
Two situations - two Numbers
What don’t you understand?
I feel like all the attempts at records on the 8000ers are kind of moot, because if any of the Sherpas wanted to, they could break every record easily.
How about personal achievement and ambition?
Exactly!! I always think that…
@@chrisburn1365 I think you may have missed the point. A “record” time means nothing if someone else can just beat it. Not negating the achievement of climbing Everest.
@@truthof7382 if you're going to quote then actually quote, the word used was "records" *plural, the word time wasn't used.
My point is absolutely valid and I've not missed the point being made, which is absurd and more than likely founded from a position of never having really achieved anything that could stand close to climbing to the worlds highest mountain.
@@chrisburn1365 congrats on the most pedantic and pointless criticism on someone’s use of quotation marks. Learn to take criticism better, you’re coming off very irritated
I would like to hear a lot more about how, the rescue attempt for the departed Sherpa, loss "to fate," especially after the company felt no obligation to directly notify the family.
Me as well. I imagine that somehow we might find more info about that. However, probably not from the high altitude workers, as their livelihood depends on keeping a bit quiet, which I do completely understand. Hopefully, a client will open up about it.
Climbing Mount Everest has become a tourist activity. "Where are you going?" "To Nepal" "Are you going sight seeing, experience the culture, enjoy the natural beauty?" "No, we're gonna climb Everest"
''...we had Kilimandscharo last year''
My condolences to all the families who lost a family member on Everest and the other mountains during climbing season
Yes…. Thank you
You have to check out 19 year old Ryan Mitchell. He’s doing an excellent job of documenting his 2024 Everest ascent.
Yes he is!
Second this!
Ryan is explaining more which I love ,wish him luck.
I love watching Ryan’s journey!
His trek is awesome!
Just read about the traffic jam and the unfortunate fatalities on Everest from the NY Post. Immediately thought of your channel and finally have a free moment to watch. Crazy. Crazy. Can’t believe the video that was on the Post. Have to reconsider that question you asked a few months ago. About a commission or the actual government getting more involved and regulating with an iron grip. At first. I said hard no. Now? It’s a good thing to discuss and especially for the pros like yourself. God bless you and thanks for the great content
The workers need to form a union and demand equal rights for the guests and workers. It crazy how underpayed they are, and also how many times there is not enough oxygen for them either
Form a union that's always hiring, since the existing members will die on Everest.
Zhey n3ed zhe money. It is the only source of income up there
$5,000 to $10,000..
Thank you for your video ! I was wondering about this season on Everest and I trust your insight and Angela Benavides analyses. All my thoughts to Lakpa Tenji Sherpa's family and friends.
I truly enjoy your videos. Thank you very much!
Thank you so much, and thank you for supporting the channel. It means very much to me.
True mountaineers understand there is no room for ego when on the mountain.
This is so informative! Great job, fantastic reporting!🌻🌼🐝 Keep it up 🙌
I really like you! To many AI generated content on UA-cam. I can tell a big difference. No empathy, no soul especially when talking about those that loose their lives. You do a good job story telling and reporting. Thank you, from an old shut in that depends on UA-cam.
This video is truly exceptional!
I’m in love with this channel. Thank you ☺️
I loved the interview.
Those long lines of climbers waiting near the peak are terrorizing. I wonder how much these lines increase the probability of death.
Increases it by quite a bit from what I've gathered. If one person in the line slows down or stops, it holds up everyone behind them. Just going around them is usually too difficult to attempt. If it slows the group down too much, they can miss a crucial window after which descent is nigh impossible and the danger multiplies exponentially.
Great work as always Thom. You're a champion for confronting these issues which are really important to address.
Very good of course. I was preparing a book on mountaineering disasters in 1998. Life went another direction, which is beside the point because“ this debate we need to have” has been in front of the mountain climbing community for decades. Every climbing expedition support people in the local population should have insurance sufficient to provide for the family if the breadwinner dies. At least on the southside, Everest has not been a worthy goal for, again, over two decades. Not so the north face or searches for Mallory and Irvine. If it is high altitude, tourism you’re looking for then the price should be raised to cover insurance for the local support people. Or, here’s another idea. Increase your climbing skills and tackle, something that is not just high but has technical interest.(of course some of those bad boy mountains have both). there are so many wonderful mountains to climb and so many unclimbed.. Certainly now Everest has a risk factor imposed by the potential of a three hour wait on a logjam of tourists…. in the 90s when I was at Denali Basecamp going to the West Ridge of Mount Hunter there were only two groups going there. Everyone else was waiting in the queue for Denali and there was not that much of a big crowd. Great experience, not the biggest deal in the world, but a simple example of how you can have a great time in the mountains and not just a dangerous tourist adventure
Incredible video. Thank you....feel for the sherpa and their families who give up everyting with little thanks.
Thanks for making these videos. As someone from the lowlands and has always dreamed about seeing Everest your narrative is the next best things.
Was so great to finally put a face and personality to Angela! Fantastic interview. Thank you so much for all of your amazing work that you’re doing keeping us all informed and interested.
I don't expect veteran climbers to "recognize" a kid like Ryan Mitchell, but if they are content creators I hope they do recognize that their content may contribute to the "soul hijacking" of Everest as well. There is obviously a large percentage of us that have never climbed anything and never will but still watch all we can about Everest. A much smaller percentage watches this stuff and decides to try. The scary thing about Ryan Mitchell's videos is that they're the first series I've watched where I say to myself, "There's still no way I could climb Everest, but maybe I could just get myself to base camp one day...." A person of my health/experience probably shouldn't be thinking of even trying that much. Depending on his success I fear we will see many more pro youtubers and not pro climbers on the mountain. Having said that, I love his vids and really hope he makes it.
I'm excited for anyone who wants to climb that mountain. I can barely imagine how amazing it would be to climb it at 19 years of age....what would be next lol ? The first person intel on the mountain shows how hard it really is. It's truly an amazing test of willpower, physical and emotional exertion and a little bit of luck that gets people to the top. Thanks for watching the video and for sharing your thoughts!
@@EverestMystery Likewise my man! Love your channel. You and Alan are by far the best commentators on the sport and essential viewing during Everest summit season.
@@EverestMysterygreat content, new subscriber
The ratio of Sherpa guides to climbers has increased by leaps and bounds this year. Recently one woman who summitted has THREE guides helping her get to the top. I was laughing to myself recently that they may as well install an escalator. Of course, I'm being facetious. But I believe there will be far fewer deaths and serious illness this year because there are so many guides per climber. it's more than 1:1 ratio. It's become way more safe for the climbers and less safe for the Sherpas. They are carrying all the extra oxygen bottles and babysitting climbers that have so little experience it's ridiculous that they are attempting to climb Everest. It's basically become just a bucket list item for so many people who have no real interest in mountaineering.
I've always wondered why GPS trackers weren't a mandatory requirement on such a publicized location since their inclusion would likely solve these mysteries of "where did they go?" I predict as load bearing drone technology gets better we will come to a point where a robot mule/donkey/mountain goat just ferries people up the mountain without the need to have the technical skill to summit.
Everest will lose it's true soul the day where you can ride an elevator to the top and buy a snack from a vending machine which is leased on a yearly auction to the highest bidder.
Maybe they can finally clear up all the trash and bodies when that day comes.
Pray for ryan mitchell guyz and everyone for a safe expedition 🧿🧿
He seems to be doing good on his videos. This Maybe applying to people who don't train for Everest.
Pray, pray, pray, pray. I'm sure it will help. Not
Wow!! Clicked on this because I’ve been watching mountaineering videos recently and your hat has my fav bands logo on it. Cheers
These "world records" that climbers pursue are not world records at all. First woman from North America to make a climb? Not a record if any other woman had done it before. Who cares where they are from. These people are legends in their own minds.
I swear I heard one climber say he was trying to "set a record" by becoming the first asthmatic Canadian to reach the summit. Jesus, like the world has been counting the days until a Canadian asthmatic reached the summit of Everest. I've got a parade planned for you buddy.
Legends in their own minds. Which is fine, except for the fact that they don't care who gets hurt or killed along the way. As long as they get their "record".
Agreed!
I cant help but see this as a colonial issue, in the 21st century. Excusing disasters by saying workers had a choice to be there ignores the differential wealth. Certainly a mountain tourist enjoys the hard won workplace safety and court system that protects their loved ones from death and injury in their home country. But what tourist would fully compensate a guide's surviving families if their guides died assisting their climb? Walking away with no responsibility is the pleasure of the wealthy.
There is an organization started by two friends of mine to assist the mountain worker, and exceptional organization that I featured in a recent video, which I feel you might find fascinating. Here is the link, please let me know in the comments your thoughts: ua-cam.com/video/O7IeQ2R1VwU/v-deo.html
I think you make a very important point here. It IS a colonial issue. Disclaimer: I'm afraid of heights and therefore not a climber. That said, I'm fascinated by the desire to climb whether it is the North Face of the Eiger or Everest. With Everest, technology has produced equipment that keeps an inexperienced "mountain climber" alive and healthy enough to make it to the summit. The "Sherpas" (whatever their actual ethnicity may be) are a sort of faceless entity who exist only to serve the mountain tourist and are considered to be a sort of renewable resource. So often I read or hear about Sherpas who make X per season, which is "so much more than the average Sherpa" as if the value of the work provided is based not on the utility and quality of the work but the prevailing average wage. It is like the Eloi and Moorlocks from the movie The Time Machine writ large; the Moorlocks are responsible for taking good care of Eloi but are considered "less than." It's more than a shame, it's an injustice.
That's assuming all the people doing this are super wealthy, which they aren't.
So what’s you solution? Socialism, communism? Lol, not everything is about “colonialism.” Nobody is colonizing anything here.
@@elobiretv The Sherpa families do not have to suffer from long term poverty and loss of a family member in order to make claiming Everest "affordable."
Over commercialized…..PERIOD!! Understanding it’s a primary resource of revenue for the Nepalese but selling out lives(unqualified climbers) for the almighty dollar extends FAR beyond morals and ethics,IMHO. Thanks for another great vid Thom!!🙏✌️😎
Selling out lives? Are they being held at gun point to climb everest or what?
Combined with his, making Everest an advanced Disney trip. I saw several videos about how the trash and human feces is scaring the face of the mountain as well. This surprises me so much because, it is my general understanding, people who love the outdoors, the wilderness, are usually good to the environment. It just sat me back in my seat when I heard base camp and other places are looking like a dump. I heard they have made attempts to clean it up and on this initial effort, took out, I believe 11 tons of left behind supplies and other waste. I don't understand why they don't take out what they brought in and how the "governing body" allows them to just leave, literally, their "shit" behind. This alone, I hope, they will stall the game until they clean up the mess and then reevaluate who gets access to climb the mountain. Quit making it an extreme adventure for those who can afford it, and make it challenge to those who are experienced to climb it. The letting so many armatures climb, not only risk lives of everyone around them, but it's like saying "Because I have enough money, I am going to compete in the world's strongest man contest, just because I can.
I really enjoy this content, it’s wild to think about the risk and reward. That being said it feels alittle weird that climbers are complaining about the extra climbers and their motives. I get it people are doing it for different reasons and they might not appreciate the mountain being clogged up but they are all doing the same thing. Nims purja took that famous picture as he himself was in line. I get it it’s a special thing and it’s an exclusive thing. Mallory said because it’s there. That kind of sums up everyone’s motivation.
I think that insisting on mountain experience (and I don't mean my Scottish Munros 😂 I mean the 8000 m peaks) is a good idea both so that people know what they're getting into (and whether they're likely to be able to manage it) and hopefully also to reduce the death rate.
I do think that the high-altitude workers should be trained, equipped and paid well though - and expedition companies should be fined if they don't. It's not fair to expect someone to do a dangerous job which is for the benefit of people in pursuit of personal goals without them being paid commensurately - in my opinion at least.
Thank you for your great coverage 🙏
Thanks!
THANK YOU! I truly appreciate your support!
Humanity has lost its soul not Everest.
Brilliant, Thom. Many thanks. ✌
Everest will always be Everest, and that will never change. What has changed is the respect for the mountain. Money corrupts everything, and always will.
Awesome report and interview. Everest has become like a trip to Disneyland by some people. There is no respect for the dangers or realizing the ability that is necessary to climb Everest. No one should be allowed to climb without Sherpas and support and proven ability.
And need to control the amount who can climb the mountain each season.
I surely hope the direction that things are going on Everest can be turned around. It becomes more insane by the year! It looks like a Disneyland crowd. I can't even fathom the undertaking it will be to solve the problems. But I see super intelligent people there like you two that know the industry in every facet. I still have enough (just barely) optimism that balance will be found. You can do it!
Stop the madness.
It's insane.
I also read Krakaurs book and have watched his presentations, nice job!
Social media has changed everything! People are doing things that they have no business doing simply for likes, clicks, and attention. It is selfishness beyond measure to put these guides at risk for a selfie.
IMO it's not so much about filming and competitive goals as about the attitude with which it's done. Providing there is proper support and respect for the mountains and the guides and support workers then it should be OK. I have been watching Ryan Mitchell's blogs and they give a great sense of the reality of the climb. To be sure, he looked absolutely knackered when he got down from his acclimatising trip to camp 3. I hope he will know when to turn around, if and when the time comes.
It is sad, it is not mountain climbing, it is marking off the bucket list, being the first, letting the world know how great you are. The summit isn't what climbing is about, the records certainly aren't. Same thing is happening with skiing, who can ski the most vertical feet a year, a man in Utah skied 7000. That takes going up and down the mountain as fast as you can, skiing non-stopped, your life is skiing.....totally takes the joy out of skiing and misses the whole point.
I agree 💯👍
I wonder if that lady would give up all her summits to have that sherpa alive and back home with his family. Does she still go for the record? No life is worth someone's selfish ambition.
Imagine finding out your partner, father died on social media and not being notified privately.
After he died, the mountaineering guide company stopped caring. He's a mountain goat to them.
thank you.
Thank you.
If those guys would have had a Sherpa following with oxygen bottles...would be like free-soloing next to a fixed rope within reach.
Never go oxygen free or without Sherpa help. Edmund didn't.
I thought that was him, when i heard about Lhapka! R.I.P. ! Awesome sherpa!!
Forgive my ignorance, but the only reason so many are on the mountain is that they have permits from the government ? Think I’m correct there , so in my opinion there has to be huge questions asked of why so many permits are being given - surely a disaster just waiting to happen , especially with ever decreasing weather windows ? What’s the ratio of permits north side compared to south side ?
Great content 🙏
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Yes.
The Chinese government regulations are much much stricter. Nepal 🇳🇵 just wants the money.
From what ive seen online 35-60k outlay for summit attempt!
That was my exact thought.
Seems like many people just want to stay on top of ME, to check of a bucket list. The love of the mountains and climbing is almost secondary.
I hate to see the locals suffer and die on the mountain because of some rich tourists diseres. But their options are few and far apart if they want to feed their families. Maybe they should construct a tunnelsystem and/or skilifts to the top ensuring a safe ascent and descent or maybe they should close down the mountain all together. Seems like the current situation doesn't work IE over crowding, garbage, risks etc.?
I knew i recognised Lakpa Sherpa from the cinematic masterpiece from Renan ortzuk The ghosts above when i first read about his unfortunate death . A sad loss . RIP Lakpa
It's sad to hear, with the vast amount of money being spent on an Everest summit attempt, that adequate bottle oxygen is not being bought for the support climbers.
Wonder what would be the watershed moment - number of deaths , lowering number of successful summits and/or descents , decreasing revenues . . . troubling .
When Jon Krakauer wrote Into Thin Air he thought it would stop people from wanting to climb the mountain. It had the opposite effect. So...that watershed moment, death and carnage will only delay it....
@@EverestMystery I read into thin air, and it made me not want to climb Everest!
While I understand people should support young Ryan this whole thing is coming full circle in terms of pollution, encouraging other UA-camrs on risk taking etc. Now then it may lead to next Ana Gutu vs gina marie rzucidlo type thing - where some one will start - The *first* UA-camr to summit all 8000s. Also note that many of these social media personalities are putting even in normal lives common public in supermarkets etc. If some of them climb these I don't know what may happen. They also have the clout of the top companies. I remember Thom telling the many of these sponsors encourage risk taking (Manaslu Hilaree Nelson)... Would be glad to hear Thom's thoughts. May be a Q/A once a month.
Climb safe brave climbers & sherpas 24 season
Stop feeding your egos and looking to fulfill your meaningless lives on a frozen rock. Go home.
Summit dreams;
I wanted to put up a route, SW face start from below the rad pitch basecamp on a rising break/ledge into the gully, then out to a V break a last pitch to the face route, a long traverse to where 1st ascent bivi was.
Goal was S.Summit only ... not at first, in imaginings it was to send ashes to the wind & tho't not to summit best for me.
Ymmv 🍺
For fun,
New routes are always super interesting to consider and ponder. If you ever decide to launch that idea, please keep me posted!
They are adults and responsible for their own survival. The recreational activity of mountaineering doesn't need gatekeepers .
In 1989 i read Hermann Buhl , Nanga Parbat Pilgrimage, the Lonely Challenge . Man's physiological properties of vo2max , muscle mass, endurance, recovery , flexibility etc decrease wigh age as one's available bank roll increases. Who said "Real climbers would rather die then be Short roped "? On on
They paved paradise to put up a parking lot vibes😔
I live at 800 feet above sea level, the highest I have ever been is 14,500 (well, okay, 14,439, Elbert in Colorado), and it was gasp and wheeze central, truly, it was nightmarish, and I will never do it again.
I hope w all my heart they close this beautiful mountain from climbers. The trash poop and dead bodies is horrific. 99% of climbers motives are ego. Humility is where the true rewards are. Blessings
I unfortunately don't see a time that the mountain will ever be closed. It is a cash cow for Nepal, a massive source of income and employment. Thanks for taking the time to watch and to share your thoughts!
@@EverestMystery you are very welcome. I enjoy your content. Blessings
I have zero respect for all this "first X to do XYZ". Especially if good people die to help these narcissists get their photo op.
agreed 100%
@ChadParker-gi6kb So true....and the first to die if there is any natural justice. It's such a mess, isn't it?
Agreed, especially when you’re only the first person to do XYZ because you have abundance of resources which 90% of the world doesn’t have. If a lot of people in these underdeveloped countries had the same resources as these people I can guarantee they would because they tend to have a lot natural skill, set and work ethic.
@@2434-k3l Exactly. How many of these sherpas have been up and down the mountain several times but hey, we are supposed to laud the first armless lesbian who does it at the possible expense of these men's lives. It's just more narcissism and we don't need more of that.
It's like a box to check on a checklist instead of a transformative experience. Yay?
Interesting topic
climbing mountains is a personal thing its when big groups for money and that sense of false safety a group often gives is half the reason why so many deaths, now to many people are in gyms thinking they are in shape done some national park treks think they are ready for the big mountains and money can get me there mentality now a days too it sucks but the way of the world now
You were right 🥺
Yes.
It's scary to think that a possibility of another 1996 disaster could happen again because of egos!
LAst year, 2023, already left 1996 tragedy quetly taking a cig aside in shadows, you get, what I mean.
@@nikiandre6998yes but that was avalanches so not the same thing as people making really bad choices
@christinemorrison4418 you may have seen this already, but this video is part one of a two parter about last year's most deadly season in Everest history: ua-cam.com/video/O7IeQ2R1VwU/v-deo.html
@EverestMystery I have watched this!
It's sad what Everest has become...too commercial and more about clout and selfies..." look what I did".Too crowded and polluted now.Way too many inexperienced climber taking too many shortcuts to what end?
Changing subject here.
What part of NH are you from? I grew up in Manchester but lived in Plymouth and then in Sugar Hill in the late 70s!
I swear I hiked Franconia Notch a couple dozen times, or the Presidential Range numerous times! We used to fly fish at Echo Lake at the base of Canaan Mt.every chance we could !I miss skiing ⛷️ there too!
The mountain doesn't ever ask who you are or how many hills you've climbed when it decides to swallow you.
Along time ago, but it’s not Everest that has lost its soul, but us.
They should restrict Everest permits to only those that have achieved an 8,000m peak previously. Or push prices much higher for those with no previous 8,000m peak.
It's not just the high altitude workers and their familes affected. The waste and decomposing bodies is contaminating the water supply for millions of people. Very little is said about the diseases acquired while on the mountain due to human waste (organic and nonorganic) combined with the rising temperatures.
Not sure what happened but I was dropped in following you? I wonder if any other subscribers have faced this? I never miss a video and was surprised to see I wasn’t following you..
This makes me so angry. There needs to be some sort of insurance or funding scheme by the climbers for the sherpa's families. I am not a climber, but I'm shocked by the apparent callousness of the ultra-high intensity ones out there who don't want to care for those who help them achieve their goals and see them as expendable accessories. And I love that the man who hosts this channel (don't know his name) is so thoughtful of others and to the planet.
My opinion is not valid given I haven’t climbed beyond 1040m here in Ireland but I don’t agree that anyone that can rock up to Everest with limited experience.. both south and north should have minimum requirements.. climbing a 6000m isn’t enough imo..
Ireland is a lovelier place to hike/climb
High altitude mountaineering is the last bastion of freedom, where an individual decides for themselves how they’re going to summit, regardless of others opinions of what safeguards should be in place, whether imposed by host country legislation or mountaineering organisations. The rub is that, once the decision has been made, to summit without oxygen, can they legitimately turn round to other mountaineers, and expect assistance when they get into trouble? If the summiting pair agreed that if they got into trouble, they would stand by their decision to summit without, fair enough. This still doesn’t preclude others from offering assistance, and it being accepted or refused.
Does anyone know who the body is just below the Hillary Step??😮😮
The gentleman is believed to be Donald Cash from Utah USA, who perished while descending in 2019.
Everest is now a FAD!
She didn't loose her soul, the wind is aggrevated because tunnels are made in Gaurishankar Area specifically in Lamabagar, Dolakha District for border crossing to Tibet. The mountains are protected by unseen forces. Nepal tourism brings money to their country yet they use this money to dig Nagdhunga and Dolakha tunnels through the Himalayas and cut trees to make way for power lines of hydropower in Gaurishankar area which is next to Khumbu region, where the Everest is. I was there last year and sadly witness the fallen/cut trees along the trail, the pain in my body took me there. I did a Reiki healing transformation and cold therapy in order to endure the pain and heal while I hiked in Rolwaling, which is not my purpose why I came in Nepal. It is forbidden in Sherpa culture to cut trees especially in that area, what more to dig tunnels. It was end of March 2023 before the new rules for hiking was out. I did solo hike and have witnessed what had happen there, I was not supposed to see the hydropower area. I was about to leave Gaurishankar, somehow the route for the sharing jeep was changed and took me there. When I was in Chotchot, I have seen lots of groups, including Japanese team, returned back as they couldn't pass Tashi Lapcha because of heavy snowfall. It was already their second choice of route as the first normal route option was blocked by heavy snowfall too. May the soul of the 3 Sherpas last year and all the souls there, rest in peace. We need to deeply listen to the mountain, wind, thunder and lightning. Some drought areas in Nepal are also connected to this issues. There was no rain in Kathmandu for 5 months, October 12, 2022 was the last one and it rained on March 13, 2023, I was in Nepal looking for nunnery at that time. It was closed then decided to leave Nepal because of the chronic pain in my back, yet my plan changed because of the Beyul in Gaurishankar Area.
Staying in camp three for 2days was very risky. They could have gone down to base camp to rest while waiting for a summit push.
Well it sounds like people are taking risk they should not be, but my guess the lack of oxgen really messes people thinking along with this goal to do this no matter what. You spend years training, the expensive and then you get that one window. The top is right there and feel like you can touch it. Yet you can still have several hours to the top. Then coming down is a whole different feeling. You made it. Now you have a long way to go and all that sheer willpower and adrenaline is basically gone. The goal of MT Everest is not to get to the top, but to get back down alive. But to many people think because of the help, this is a walk in a park and it just is not. It is dangerous endeavor that even the most conditioned and experience can lose their life doing. I think Nepal could do better by basically venting people and ensuring they have some real experience before they get a permit. Otherwise this is going to more about having people spend $80k just to be lead to there death.Companies should also require climber if they cannot do pre-climbs at a reasonable pace or the doctor who does a exam before they go and say no, they can deny them support and tell them no. Sometime people have to be saved from there own stupity.
But there is plenty to blame from the Nepal government, the companies, to the climbers themselves.
I glanced to quickly. I thought it said Climbers left C4 like the explosives. And was like dick move. 8:05 😂
I thought the Hillary Step was gone?
The slope is still called the Hillary Step. The route remains a steep single track there, and it can get congested.
\mm/ Umphrey's McGee hat is on point.
Some ladies from Bolivia are planning to do an oxygen free sumit attempt too.
It seems the next challenge to avoid the tag tourist.
Cool, I look forward to hearing how they do!
Innuendo and suspicion and PR continues to climb on the great mountain.
Tommorow is summit day 5-21 will be watching actually time difference its already happening
Going up one of the big mountains without oxygen and without any sort of back up is crazy. You have to have the height of either arrogance or ignorance to say that you will not need any support even when it is offered to you freely as has unfortunately likely just been seen.
“First woman from North America” lol people’s need to feel elite and special is leading to a lot of very marginalized, niche type “records”. No doubt Everest is a huge challenge and I imagine a very rewarding experience but why can’t it be left at that … why does everyone need to be the “best”. Like first woman from North America to do anything isn’t an achievement imo. Especially when a lot of people do not post their achievements on social media. Very good chance it’s already been done.
People are totally oblivious to the dangers and the real threat of dying on that towering piece of rock and ice. News outlets are mostly interested on how many 'climbers' died on the mountain.
I never thought I’d say it but I’ve fallen out of love with Everest. It’s been trashed and ruined and turned into an industry
You’re right about Everest. It’s terrible.
1 At the base camp, there has to be mandatory rule to carry suppli Oxygen....
2. Nepal government should set up spare 02 all along the way. As the 99% expedition route is fixed
Basic Cosmic Science..:
Greed Will Kill Us All…
I think the seriousness of Everest has been lost.
It's a frozen Wally World now.
Not a comment on topic, but it always amazes me that mountaineers, of all people, do not know the difference between altitude and elevation . In almost every mountaineering video i watch those two terms get mixed up