I keep both titanium and zinc in acrylic and oil. But I do find that I use zinc almost none of the time. I'm very careful about the amount of white I add to colors when mixing. But red. Omg. That's the reason to keep zinc.
Oh, it depends upon the reason for needing white. I paint primarily with acrylics. If I am using only transparent paints for my painting, then I use Zinc white. Opaque paints get titanium white. I am partial to the Zinc White though.
Titanium white with a liiittle bit of zinc white added in a safflower or sunflower base will be, by far, the least yellowing white. Pure titanium white repels oil, so the oil binder will ooze to the top a little and separate, which will look like more dramatic yellowing. The addition of zinc white will hold on to the oil better, and result in dramatically less yellowing for oil layers thicker than 1.5mm. It's why Michael Harding added a bit of zinc to his Titanium White no. 1 for artists who hate yellowing.
Wow- so many whites!! Thank you for the lesson! I've used oils most of my life (on and off for over 50 years), and I was working on a painting of a bald eagle landing on the top of a dead tree limb. It was a night scene with a large full moon. The more I kept painting it the more naseus I got, and I couldn't figure out why, but then I realized it was the white paint that I used- which was zinc white! I threw it away and bought titanium white and never looked back- and never will use zinc white again.
Just finding out how all titanium whites are not all opaque even if say they are opaque! Just trying to finish the white snow on top of the mountain & still having to go back & back to get any decent cover? One used is “artist grade” but turned yellowish overnight!
Hello Mike. Very informative video. I paint mostly with watercolor and gouache but I use whites extensively. I use my titanium white to get the strongest whites, such as a reflexion of light but I use it sparingly. I use my zink white for a number of applications. I use it to turn watercolor opaque since it doesn't tint it too much and there are just some colors that aren't available in gouache, I use it in blending a few shades of the same color before I start painting, and if I have a dark area painted but I want to add a soft highlight in that area then I add some zinc white straight on top and just add a wet brush to blend a shade or two lighter on the paper. Thanks again. -Pete
If I use very little titanium quantity meaning only 10% titanium compared to 100% zinc they will behave the same ?. I am thinking that using less titanium will obtain the zinc effect ?.
All the oil painting I do is Bob Ross style so I buy the Bob Ross brand titanium white in the 16 oz jars from this place online called Jerry's Artorama. In my watercolor painting, I don't use white. If I mess up and cover my white space a little bit, I scrape it out with a knife.
I did a pastel painting and used lead white , I gessoed an area of my water color paper and covered it with lead white to create a stucco paint texture, had to literally force the paint out of the tube very stiff stuff. I keep more acrylic titanium white in stock then zinc white but zinc white has very good translucent properties and I do mix it with titanium. Yes, lots of info , but you are funny enough to watch the video over again lol Do you have the link for the black video ? Winks Lisa
Isn't flake white best for mixing flesh tones? I read this is because it has the quality of producing more glowy translucent colors. I have purchased a tube of Gamblin's flake white replacement to try because titanium white tens to make flesh look too milky and have a pasty look. I have a tube of real flake white but have been afraid to use it, not because I am worried about myself (it's not like I am planning on eating it) but because I will need to take my rags and brush cleaning slush to a hazardous waste facility. Anyway, what's the word on the best white for mixing flesh tones?
Sharon Dobbs Yes, apparently. When it became illegal here in the U.K. Lucien Freud bought up all the Flake and Cremintz White he could because he needed it for his portraits. I don’t know what happened to the tubes he didn’t use after his death.
I would think the titanium/zinc white would be a most versatile white. Failing that....just titanium white. Add some yellow in to make it creamy. I tend to prefer an off-white in my acrylic pours. One reason is my house's walls tend to be ever so slightly yellowish-white (old!) and a painting with titanium or snowy white in it just doesn't look right against it. I actually like the older antique look in a white for walls. Anyway, thanks for this very informative video on the various whites. I particularly was interested in the safe lead white hue paint. I don't do the impasto, but I am always learning, so...
I have a question. I found a site where you can buy real powder pigments to make your own pain with. How do you think the pure lead white pigment would work with an acrylic medium to make a real lead white acrylic?
Well, that certainly explains why my mars black didn’t turn grey today when I added zinc white! Mystery solved....and the Chinese white mystery as well! I always buy titanium white acrylic, and I never liked zinc white, but couldn’t figure out Why? Mind blown! Lol.
Great info! Just a fun fact, Titanium white is the demise of many art counterfeiters. Earlier this year just for shits and giggles, I took all my whites and made a test panel. Half of the panel was Gesso primed, the other half Oil primed. The Gamblin Flake turned yellow after 5 months, more so on the Gesso Primed side. The Permalba definitely has a different tone. Almost blue, maybe considered a cooler hue. The big surprise is the Gamblin Flake, seriously it looks like Naples Yellow on both the standard Gesso and expensive Oil Primed sides. As for the Titaniums, I tested Charvin, Gamblin, Lukas standard, Lukas Berlin and Lukas 1862. Not much difference after 5 months with the Titaniums. The most noticeable difference with Titaniums is the sheen. Surprisingly the Titaniums had more sheen on the Gesso side. This really was a test for cheap Gesso vs the expensive Oil primer. I did lots of colors on the test panel, but thats a different topic. Fun as always!
Hi Ron, I see you made this comment two years ago, so you may not see this. But was it Gamblin's Flake White Replacement that yellowed? I just bought a huge tube of it hoping that it could help me make subtle flesh tones. If it's going to yellow, then I need to reconsider! Thanks in advance if you see this and reply.
Mixing white for both oil & acrylic. Grumbacher thick gesso for main acrylic opaque white and gamblin quick dry for oil opaque. Unbleached titanium (single pigment) has become a heavy hitter as well. Great info Mike. Thank you for sharing and keep coming back.
i only ever use craft paints that are so so cheap. i guess if i really wanna COVER something that really needs coverage, i usually just use gesso. but i do mixed media stuff, not the fine art stuff, so... :/
Cool, Interesting. Thank you. =) I use Titanium white all the time... and I love Titanium Buff, too. I should get some zinc white, and experiment with it. I use acrylics.... I don't use oils. I didn't know about the other whites you mentioned.
Oh my gosh. I love that shirt. I saw another one on Etsy that I'm dying to have, too. I thought of Mike when I saw it. It's E4 Obi-wan and Luke drawn in the style of Calvin and Hobbes. Awesome!
a color is visible light with a specific wavelength. black and white are not colors because they do not have specific wavelengths. Instead, whitelight contains all wavelengths of visible light. Black, on the other hand, is the absence of visible light.
In physical paint, black is the presence of all colors, white is the absence of all color. If you are talking about the light spectrum, like in a computer, white is the presence of all color, black is the absence of all color. For all intents and purposes, traditionally speaking of physical pigments, whites tint, blacks shade.
Downbytheoldbloodriver. The body can take care of Cadmium. Lead stays in the body and transported to the unborn child.In Sweden we take care of all toxic trash but nobody knows that a canavas can be toxic. Many of them get burnt and lead spreads trough the air.
Downbytheoldbloodriver.1Swedish law and EU is two different things- And about your comment about my country is better than your country the answer is We have always had more strict enviroment laws than european countries and US. 2 Cobalt dont stay in your body like the lead do.3 I was talking about how lead pollute the enviroment. Oh wait. u are already doing that. The thing is that I can drink water in any lake in Sweden including in the middle of Stockholm. Try to do that in the Hudson river
Downbythebloodriver.1 US is full of poison. Many things that u digest is not concerned as food in Sweden.2 Those bacteria u are telling about dont exist in Sweden. 500 ppl get those when we are abroad. The thing about lead if u get a few micrograms of it as a infant makes the IQ drop.Maby it happened to u? LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
Downbytheoldbloodriver.1 It is a scietific fact.The information is evrywere to find.2 You are burning your trash. You have agriculture nearby. Lead gets in to your food.3 I was making a point that Sweden is clean so u can drink the water evrywere.How many animals do u think piss nearby a well? Or do u tell them to go somwere else? Where do u think the tapwather comes from? 4About what u eat. Many substances in US food is not alowed in Sweden.5 U started the ignorant and defensive style. What u give u get.6 U U call me anti-American. I call it a respond to the wrongfully statements.7 What have art to do whit a paint demostration?8 I commented that leadpaint should be banned. Its poison. Its not false shit. 9In Sweden we dont have to boil the water. The tap water comes directly from lakes.10 Yes. I have been all over the world exept asia
Downbytheoldriver. 1 Everybody who reads your comments know u are trying to save your face.2Pee runs down with the rainwater. Sand only stops particles.2 Agriculure.Yes that what I meant.U are spreading lead on your food.3 Yes we treat our water by sand so it dont have particles. But it dont remove the piss. Exactly like your well. 4Yes they treat water that is stored in wathertowers but most cities here dont got them. It comes directly from the source to the tap. The authority over the water (vattenverket)say many sources is clean so they dont have to do anything about it.5 Vårdjouren in Sweden is a collaboration between all the hospitals in Sweden. They say that we dont got dysantry. The cases they got is from ppl who have been abroad
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I keep both titanium and zinc in acrylic and oil. But I do find that I use zinc almost none of the time. I'm very careful about the amount of white I add to colors when mixing. But red. Omg. That's the reason to keep zinc.
This video would’ve been much more interesting if you were wearing a pirate suit
Oh, it depends upon the reason for needing white.
I paint primarily with acrylics.
If I am using only transparent paints for my painting, then I use Zinc white. Opaque paints get titanium white.
I am partial to the Zinc White though.
Titanium white with a liiittle bit of zinc white added in a safflower or sunflower base will be, by far, the least yellowing white. Pure titanium white repels oil, so the oil binder will ooze to the top a little and separate, which will look like more dramatic yellowing. The addition of zinc white will hold on to the oil better, and result in dramatically less yellowing for oil layers thicker than 1.5mm. It's why Michael Harding added a bit of zinc to his Titanium White no. 1 for artists who hate yellowing.
Wow- so many whites!! Thank you for the lesson! I've used oils most of my life (on and off for over 50 years), and I was working on a painting of a bald eagle landing on the top of a dead tree limb. It was a night scene with a large full moon. The more I kept painting it the more naseus I got, and I couldn't figure out why, but then I realized it was the white paint that I used- which was zinc white! I threw it away and bought titanium white and never looked back- and never will use zinc white again.
Just finding out how all titanium whites are not all opaque even if say they are opaque! Just trying to finish the white snow on top of the mountain & still having to go back & back to get any decent cover? One used is “artist grade” but turned yellowish overnight!
Lead White stays flexible for very much longer and won't crack so easy. That is why the old masters used it a lot for their underpanties.
Hello Mike. Very informative video. I paint mostly with watercolor and gouache but I use whites extensively. I use my titanium white to get the strongest whites, such as a reflexion of light but I use it sparingly. I use my zink white for a number of applications. I use it to turn watercolor opaque since it doesn't tint it too much and there are just some colors that aren't available in gouache, I use it in blending a few shades of the same color before I start painting, and if I have a dark area painted but I want to add a soft highlight in that area then I add some zinc white straight on top and just add a wet brush to blend a shade or two lighter on the paper. Thanks again. -Pete
If I use very little titanium quantity meaning only 10% titanium compared to 100% zinc they will behave the same ?.
I am thinking that using less titanium will obtain the zinc effect ?.
I would like to know the difference between artist grade T white vs student grade T white ?
I Googled chinese white origin.... had to add the word paint cause it went there.😂
That's too funny🤣😅😂 Out of context, that statement could get you killed. LOL ...Good info😇
All the oil painting I do is Bob Ross style so I buy the Bob Ross brand titanium white in the 16 oz jars from this place online called Jerry's Artorama. In my watercolor painting, I don't use white. If I mess up and cover my white space a little bit, I scrape it out with a knife.
I did a pastel painting and used lead white , I gessoed an area of my water color paper and covered it with lead white to create a stucco paint texture, had to literally force the paint out of the tube very stiff stuff.
I keep more acrylic titanium white in stock then zinc white but zinc white has very good translucent properties and I do mix it with titanium.
Yes, lots of info , but you are funny enough to watch the video over again lol
Do you have the link for the black video ?
Winks
Lisa
ua-cam.com/video/4T4a1OyXkaU/v-deo.html
Art Addict Thanks !
Isn't flake white best for mixing flesh tones? I read this is because it has the quality of producing more glowy translucent colors. I have purchased a tube of Gamblin's flake white replacement to try because titanium white tens to make flesh look too milky and have a pasty look. I have a tube of real flake white but have been afraid to use it, not because I am worried about myself (it's not like I am planning on eating it) but because I will need to take my rags and brush cleaning slush to a hazardous waste facility. Anyway, what's the word on the best white for mixing flesh tones?
Sharon Dobbs
Yes, apparently. When it became illegal here in the U.K. Lucien Freud bought up all the Flake and Cremintz White he could because he needed it for his portraits. I don’t know what happened to the tubes he didn’t use after his death.
I would think the titanium/zinc white would be a most versatile white. Failing that....just titanium white. Add some yellow in to make it creamy. I tend to prefer an off-white in my acrylic pours. One reason is my house's walls tend to be ever so slightly yellowish-white (old!) and a painting with titanium or snowy white in it just doesn't look right against it. I actually like the older antique look in a white for walls. Anyway, thanks for this very informative video on the various whites. I particularly was interested in the safe lead white hue paint. I don't do the impasto, but I am always learning, so...
Thank you. Love the humour toning down the info. Titanium or zinc humour ?
I have a question. I found a site where you can buy real powder pigments to make your own pain with. How do you think the pure lead white pigment would work with an acrylic medium to make a real lead white acrylic?
What white stays white under uv light and not reflect blue or purple
I’m clearly jumping into this channel very late. But did you quote Han Solo while wearing a Boba Fett shirt?
Well, that certainly explains why my mars black didn’t turn grey today when I added zinc white! Mystery solved....and the Chinese white mystery as well! I always buy titanium white acrylic, and I never liked zinc white, but couldn’t figure out Why? Mind blown! Lol.
can you actually do a titanium white coverage tests for oil and acrylic?
Great info! Just a fun fact, Titanium white is the demise of many art counterfeiters. Earlier this year just for shits and giggles, I took all my whites and made a test panel. Half of the panel was Gesso primed, the other half Oil primed. The Gamblin Flake turned yellow after 5 months, more so on the Gesso Primed side. The Permalba definitely has a different tone. Almost blue, maybe considered a cooler hue. The big surprise is the Gamblin Flake, seriously it looks like Naples Yellow on both the standard Gesso and expensive Oil Primed sides. As for the Titaniums, I tested Charvin, Gamblin, Lukas standard, Lukas Berlin and Lukas 1862. Not much difference after 5 months with the Titaniums. The most noticeable difference with Titaniums is the sheen. Surprisingly the Titaniums had more sheen on the Gesso side. This really was a test for cheap Gesso vs the expensive Oil primer. I did lots of colors on the test panel, but thats a different topic.
Fun as always!
Hi Ron, I see you made this comment two years ago, so you may not see this. But was it Gamblin's Flake White Replacement that yellowed? I just bought a huge tube of it hoping that it could help me make subtle flesh tones. If it's going to yellow, then I need to reconsider! Thanks in advance if you see this and reply.
Super helpful thanks,!
Awesome thanks!
Hi, could u provide link to music that u play when u show the video title. Thanks.
Mixing white for both oil & acrylic. Grumbacher thick gesso for main acrylic opaque white and gamblin quick dry for oil opaque. Unbleached titanium (single pigment) has become a heavy hitter as well. Great info Mike. Thank you for sharing and keep coming back.
i only ever use craft paints that are so so cheap. i guess if i really wanna COVER something that really needs coverage, i usually just use gesso. but i do mixed media stuff, not the fine art stuff, so... :/
Damn I need what's not titanium or zinc white
Very enlightening, and fun.
Cool, Interesting. Thank you. =) I use Titanium white all the time... and I love Titanium Buff, too. I should get some zinc white, and experiment with it.
I use acrylics.... I don't use oils.
I didn't know about the other whites you mentioned.
My artist friend told me he prefers zinc now I understand why. He also thought titanium was more chalky which I could agree with.
Oh my gosh. I love that shirt. I saw another one on Etsy that I'm dying to have, too. I thought of Mike when I saw it. It's E4 Obi-wan and Luke drawn in the style of Calvin and Hobbes. Awesome!
What's with the audio in this video? I feel like I'm wearing ear plugs.
Titanium-Zinc white is the best all around choice:)
Learnt heaps...thanks!
lol - you are very entertaining!
Lovely, brother.
I love this guy lol! Great commentary dude!
I love you too.
Well yellow white is warm
Great video. I didn’t know white had different tinting strengths.
Your company name gives impression of Hindu God. 🙏 Honest virtuous
Acrylic artist here. LOVE my zinc white! Watching this I am so glad I decided to go acrylic instead of oils. LOL.
Surely not lead humour :)
I think the most important thing people need to know about black-and-white is that they are technically not a color they are shades.
Wrong, they are colors
a color is visible light with a specific wavelength. black and white are not colors because they do not have specific wavelengths. Instead, whitelight contains all wavelengths of visible light. Black, on the other hand, is the absence of visible light.
Deborah Smith Trust me I have two art degrees with many hours of rigorous color theory under my belt. They are not colors.
Wrong it is not important whatsoever to know that
In physical paint, black is the presence of all colors, white is the absence of all color.
If you are talking about the light spectrum, like in a computer, white is the presence of all color, black is the absence of all color.
For all intents and purposes, traditionally speaking of physical pigments, whites tint, blacks shade.
Museums have problems with Zink white, it destroing the painting. Lead should be banned. Sweden have not had any leadpaint for many years.
Downbytheoldbloodriver. The body can take care of Cadmium. Lead stays in the body and transported to the unborn child.In Sweden we take care of all toxic trash but nobody knows that a canavas can be toxic. Many of them get burnt and lead spreads trough the air.
Downbytheoldbloodriver.1Swedish law and EU is two different things- And about your comment about my country is better than your country the answer is We have always had more strict enviroment laws than european countries and US. 2 Cobalt dont stay in your body like the lead do.3 I was talking about how lead pollute the enviroment. Oh wait. u are already doing that. The thing is that I can drink water in any lake in Sweden including in the middle of Stockholm. Try to do that in the Hudson river
Downbythebloodriver.1 US is full of poison. Many things that u digest is not concerned as food in Sweden.2 Those bacteria u are telling about dont exist in Sweden. 500 ppl get those when we are abroad. The thing about lead if u get a few micrograms of it as a infant makes the IQ drop.Maby it happened to u? LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
Downbytheoldbloodriver.1 It is a scietific fact.The information is evrywere to find.2 You are burning your trash. You have agriculture nearby. Lead gets in to your food.3 I was making a point that Sweden is clean so u can drink the water evrywere.How many animals do u think piss nearby a well? Or do u tell them to go somwere else? Where do u think the tapwather comes from? 4About what u eat. Many substances in US food is not alowed in Sweden.5 U started the ignorant and defensive style. What u give u get.6 U U call me anti-American. I call it a respond to the wrongfully statements.7 What have art to do whit a paint demostration?8 I commented that leadpaint should be banned. Its poison. Its not false shit. 9In Sweden we dont have to boil the water. The tap water comes directly from lakes.10 Yes. I have been all over the world exept asia
Downbytheoldriver. 1 Everybody who reads your comments know u are trying to save your face.2Pee runs down with the rainwater. Sand only stops particles.2 Agriculure.Yes that what I meant.U are spreading lead on your food.3 Yes we treat our water by sand so it dont have particles. But it dont remove the piss. Exactly like your well. 4Yes they treat water that is stored in wathertowers but most cities here dont got them. It comes directly from the source to the tap. The authority over the water (vattenverket)say many sources is clean so they dont have to do anything about it.5 Vårdjouren in Sweden is a collaboration between all the hospitals in Sweden. They say that we dont got dysantry. The cases they got is from ppl who have been abroad
I can almost picture a racist asking what would happen if things were reversed.
Odd, the nose isn't that prominent, and yet the shitty humor is registering at about a 7 on the bagel meter.