Sorry if you already answered I’m currently watching the video.. but what fans or changes would you recommend? Would I be ok with stock fans in this case with a 5600x and 3080?
The stock fans are a great start. I suggest if you're set on the case, buy it and build your system in it. Then see how the temps are. Chances are they'll be great. If all the temps are below 80C when maxed out that's great. If they're a bit higher and you want to reduce it I'd modify your fan curve to be a little more aggressive and see how that changes the temps, and if you're happy with the house output (should be reasonable at all speeds with these large fans) If they're a lot higher or you're not happy with the noise output then it's worth working out if the components you run are just got by nature. If they're not, I'd take all the panels off and see how the temps are just to get an idea of potential airflow improvements (not something I'd expect to make a lot of difference in this case). And next (because it's more effort) I'd take a look at the thermal paste, which if it's old, poorly applied, or just low performance paste (really bad paste, but even bad paste if alright if it's new), can make a massive difference to core component temps (if it's your card that's running especially hot I'd recommend buying some thermal pads too just in case they need replacing while you're in there, but should be more than fine if it's less then 1 year old). Apart from that, give it a go and see how you get on. I'm 95% confident you won't need to make any major changes (new parts or paste changes). That 5% depends on your expectations, hardware, and setup.
Technically speaking yes, but I think it's relative to cost. I'm using the Lancool II Mesh now for my main system, and I'm very happy with what both cases provide at their respective prices.
Hey, this is 86€ for me and the Lancool II Mesh RGB is 115€. Which one do you think I should get? This is basically my first build so which one is easier to build in? There is also the H510 Flow for 90€
If I wanted to add more fans for better airflow can I get any? (One that obviously work with the pc ) but if I get any will I be able to connect the rgb if I connect them to the hub so the all display the same pattern or color
12:25 Thumb screws are fine here because you can screw smaller PCIe devices that don't make it hard screwing with your bare hands. Not every PCIe device is going to be a bulky GPU.
I'm sorry if it's a stupid question, i didn't quite understand since english is not my native language, but the bottom fan, is it supposed to suck up the air or push it down? I'm guessing suck it up but still.... Wanted to make sure. If it sucks up air i guess the filter in the bottom has a good reason to exist. Thanks
Thank you very much for this review, I bought this box the other day and it's on its way. Thank you very much for the sincerity and for naming the defects, things that you do not like and that you would improve. Keep up the good work, new subscriber. Greetings from Spain mate
Them big arse fans are a bit noisier than I'd like. Plus they are powered directly from sata, so no adjustment, and to top things off, they are DC fans, so no pwm for us. I may try them in DC mode and see how they fair, otherwise I'm going to swap them for some cooler master 200mm pwm's.
Thank you :) As for the 5000D Airflow, since I've covered the 4000D Airflow I don't think I want to go back to that series. There probably isn't a lot different between the two other than spec. I can imagine the construction, build quality, methods of support, etc. are the same or very similar. They certainly look very similar on the surface.
I prefer the cleaner look of the 215, and I'm a fan of the massive fans so I'd personally go that route. I think there's a much nicer finish to the TD500 though, it's got a nice paint job and it's more stylised so if you're really into that it's a solid choice. Both great cases either way.
@@AVTechy Me too I also like the clean look of the glass panel as compared to Td500 mesh. I also like the finish on cooler master but they over did the glass panel with line design. I have decided to go for 215! Thanks for the reply!
@@AVTechy My mistake. At 8:54 I thought it looked like it was backwards but upping the resolution of the playback I can see the arrow pointing up. Haven't touched chromax fans myself so I'm used to the sticker side always being on the "top" of the fan.
Focus more on the blades than the sticker of a fan. The blades "scoop" air much like a spoon scoops ice cream (unless it's a bidirectional fan with flat blades). Knowing that will mean you'll always know how a fan has been designed to work without knowing anything else. There are a number of fans around where the fan blows away from the frame and not through it. It's always worth going back to first principles over generalities.
It'll mainly add more noise to the system, you might get 2 degrees reduction in temperatures if you're lucky (based on testing top fan positions in a few cases previously). I'd recommend a CPU cooler upgrade, or replace some louder fans in the system for quieter ones that you can run a little faster while maintaining noise levels. Hope that helps.
I think something that's worth doing is removing all the PCIe slot covers. That will encourage a lot of airflow through the Graphics card section of the case.
It'll be a little more prominent, but nothing like if you didn't use the filter. The PCIe covers already have plenty of unfiltered holes since they're typically exhausts instead of intakes. It's a trade off between temps and dust at a certain point. See how it performs first, and if you need more performance you can try a few things.
Meshify c has a full length undercarriage filter as well, makes it easy to remove from the front instead of having to reach around back. But this one, you still have to reach to the back anyway, so...???? I thinkbyour fan score is skewed because this case actually has proper intake and exhaust, which isn't typical for pc cases. Maybe some kind of calculation regarding current pricing might help it a bit, or maybe your system is good as is, and other manufacturers should include both intake and exhaust fans in their cases instead of making you buy a case and then get separate fans which raises the overall cost in the end. Solid overview as usual.
Yeah, I'm reviewing the Torrent Compact at the moment, and that too has a full length filter (that makes sense), and like the Meshify C you mentioned, is also accessed from the front. Yeah, this one's not a well thought out design since there's no basement radiator support officially. I'm not overly concerned by the position of included fans in the calculation. I think tackling fans regarding the overall value of them (amount, size, and quality) relative to the value of the specification (support) the case provides is the best way I could rate them. I'm in the middle on whether I should be including them as part of the main Specification score. But that's tricky since I wouldn't want to take away from a case not having fans since it's not entirely necessary, and if fans were part of that score then a case that didn't include a competitive amount of fans (which is sometimes 6+ fans) would never be able to reach a 10/10 for specification score (not that any of them do really). But fans individually are also very expensive relative the price of a case, so they do need to be weighted accordingly. I think you touched on this in your comment (e.g. 2x "Good" fans in a $50 case would be cheaper than getting a $40 case and buying 2x basic new fans - sort of - which means 2x "Good" fans are significantly valuable, which scales with the quality of the fans, and cost of the case) I think right now (without checking the spreadsheet), Basic 120mm fans are 0.25 points per fan, Good 120mm fans are 0.5 points per fan, and Premium 120mm fans are 0.75 points per fan, and that scales for other sized fans based on their overall area relative to 120mm fans. Maybe I need to de-rate it to 0.2. 0.4, and 0.6 points respectively. Whatever I change it to (if I do) will impact the scores for all cases,so I'm not to concerned with making changes. I just need to figure out what's appropriate (what the value of a fan is as part of the case specification out of 10), and whether I'm being to biased towards cases with lots of fans/ These are always head scratchers, and there's no "right" answer. It's the inevitable subjective weighting of a review, hard to get away from. But we can only do out best and have somewhat thought out reasoning for the approach. I also want to generate more and better component volume calculations to better rate the efficiency of the case specification scores. They're fine for now, but more refinement would be better (as is the case with everything I guess). Don't feel the need to respond to any of that, it's mostly unintelligible brain vomit :D Now you know why these case reviews are longer than usual.
Excellent review, it was really healpful to me and I have bought it for my new setup. Really looking forward to do the build.
Thanks very much, half you found it helpful :)
Wish that lian-li would make a mini version of this and lancool mesh cases,a matx version would be compact & neat,if a fatboi!
This is my case - glad you like it!
But you cant change the fan curve. I got this case and I cant change it
Sorry if you already answered I’m currently watching the video.. but what fans or changes would you recommend? Would I be ok with stock fans in this case with a 5600x and 3080?
The stock fans are a great start. I suggest if you're set on the case, buy it and build your system in it. Then see how the temps are. Chances are they'll be great.
If all the temps are below 80C when maxed out that's great. If they're a bit higher and you want to reduce it I'd modify your fan curve to be a little more aggressive and see how that changes the temps, and if you're happy with the house output (should be reasonable at all speeds with these large fans)
If they're a lot higher or you're not happy with the noise output then it's worth working out if the components you run are just got by nature. If they're not, I'd take all the panels off and see how the temps are just to get an idea of potential airflow improvements (not something I'd expect to make a lot of difference in this case).
And next (because it's more effort) I'd take a look at the thermal paste, which if it's old, poorly applied, or just low performance paste (really bad paste, but even bad paste if alright if it's new), can make a massive difference to core component temps (if it's your card that's running especially hot I'd recommend buying some thermal pads too just in case they need replacing while you're in there, but should be more than fine if it's less then 1 year old).
Apart from that, give it a go and see how you get on. I'm 95% confident you won't need to make any major changes (new parts or paste changes). That 5% depends on your expectations, hardware, and setup.
I read a lot of people are saying the Lancool II Mesh is a better case, is that right?
Technically speaking yes, but I think it's relative to cost. I'm using the Lancool II Mesh now for my main system, and I'm very happy with what both cases provide at their respective prices.
can i change the color of the front fans to one color only for example only red or only blue?pls answer
yes
Also another note. Despite this being a Lian Li case the built in RGB controller doesn't accept the RGB plugs on the Lian Li Uni Fans.
They make a white case they make a white fan for the white case and they put black cables for the white fan, why?
Can you use the Lian Li vertical gpu mount on the Lancool 215?
I bought the same 215 cabinet in black, could I put a 360 liquid on top?
Its a good case for the price with epic airflow but does not have enough space for easy cable management.
Hey, this is 86€ for me and the Lancool II Mesh RGB is 115€. Which one do you think I should get? This is basically my first build so which one is easier to build in?
There is also the H510 Flow for 90€
My younger brother pressed the reset button and the screen was black and not working! What do I do??
You could move the bottom fan to the center away from the back wall. Why not test?
Why would u put a radiator below the cpu since the air bubles would go to the cpu, thats no point
If I wanted to add more fans for better airflow can I get any? (One that obviously work with the pc ) but if I get any will I be able to connect the rgb if I connect them to the hub so the all display the same pattern or color
Loving how detailed you are, new subscriber my dude you deserve more views and likes. Great work ^^
So where do I put my bluray drive?
12:25 Thumb screws are fine here because you can screw smaller PCIe devices that don't make it hard screwing with your bare hands. Not every PCIe device is going to be a bulky GPU.
I'm sorry if it's a stupid question, i didn't quite understand since english is not my native language, but the bottom fan, is it supposed to suck up the air or push it down? I'm guessing suck it up but still.... Wanted to make sure. If it sucks up air i guess the filter in the bottom has a good reason to exist. Thanks
Thank you very much for this review, I bought this box the other day and it's on its way. Thank you very much for the sincerity and for naming the defects, things that you do not like and that you would improve. Keep up the good work, new subscriber. Greetings from Spain mate
Them big arse fans are a bit noisier than I'd like. Plus they are powered directly from sata, so no adjustment, and to top things off, they are DC fans, so no pwm for us. I may try them in DC mode and see how they fair, otherwise I'm going to swap them for some cooler master 200mm pwm's.
The new intro is amazing.
This is my case only issue is it can't fit on my desk any suggestions about a good CPU stand to keep it off the floor
Lancool 215 for 110 usd or TD500 Mesh for 80 usd (without the fan controller) ? Personally prefer the front panel look on the 215
This guy deserves so much more views and subs. Solid stuff everytime. I really hope you crow bigger and are able to do more and "bigger" content.
Have been a happy follower ever since I found your channel! Keep it up 👍🏼
is there a software for this case anywhere?
Does this case support ATX motherboard and PSU ?
Bro this review is so good
Thanks for the detailed review, Can we Top mount Arctic 280 mm AIO in this case ?
Does an rtx 4070 ti fit in there?
Any case without magnet or hinged panels are overpriced...not worth my time.
I'd argue the average person doesn't open up their case enough to warrant the extra cost.
I love your case reviews. can you please do one for corsair 5000D airflow ?
Thank you :)
As for the 5000D Airflow, since I've covered the 4000D Airflow I don't think I want to go back to that series. There probably isn't a lot different between the two other than spec. I can imagine the construction, build quality, methods of support, etc. are the same or very similar. They certainly look very similar on the surface.
@@AVTechy between 215,4000D and ii mesh which is overall a better case
Thinking a mesh version of it's lancool 205-mini kind of thing.
Between Lian cool 215 vs Cooler Master td500 mesh which should I choose ? Lian cool is cheaper but only by 10 dollars.
I prefer the cleaner look of the 215, and I'm a fan of the massive fans so I'd personally go that route. I think there's a much nicer finish to the TD500 though, it's got a nice paint job and it's more stylised so if you're really into that it's a solid choice.
Both great cases either way.
@@AVTechy Me too I also like the clean look of the glass panel as compared to Td500 mesh. I also like the finish on cooler master but they over did the glass panel with line design. I have decided to go for 215! Thanks for the reply!
King of utube
Why do you have the fan under the GPU blowing down into the power supply area?
I didn't.
@@AVTechy My mistake. At 8:54 I thought it looked like it was backwards but upping the resolution of the playback I can see the arrow pointing up. Haven't touched chromax fans myself so I'm used to the sticker side always being on the "top" of the fan.
Focus more on the blades than the sticker of a fan. The blades "scoop" air much like a spoon scoops ice cream (unless it's a bidirectional fan with flat blades). Knowing that will mean you'll always know how a fan has been designed to work without knowing anything else.
There are a number of fans around where the fan blows away from the frame and not through it. It's always worth going back to first principles over generalities.
Would a top exhaust fan help with the temps or just be useless?
It'll mainly add more noise to the system, you might get 2 degrees reduction in temperatures if you're lucky (based on testing top fan positions in a few cases previously). I'd recommend a CPU cooler upgrade, or replace some louder fans in the system for quieter ones that you can run a little faster while maintaining noise levels. Hope that helps.
@@AVTechy ya thanks i was asking becuz im goona use it with a rtx 3080 which i know can run hot
I think something that's worth doing is removing all the PCIe slot covers. That will encourage a lot of airflow through the Graphics card section of the case.
@@AVTechy Wouldn't dust be an issue then?
It'll be a little more prominent, but nothing like if you didn't use the filter. The PCIe covers already have plenty of unfiltered holes since they're typically exhausts instead of intakes.
It's a trade off between temps and dust at a certain point. See how it performs first, and if you need more performance you can try a few things.
For me Phanteks will always have the best technical design, even for the cheaper-end models. 😇
So this lian LI or the phanteks P360A?
Meshify c has a full length undercarriage filter as well, makes it easy to remove from the front instead of having to reach around back. But this one, you still have to reach to the back anyway, so...????
I thinkbyour fan score is skewed because this case actually has proper intake and exhaust, which isn't typical for pc cases. Maybe some kind of calculation regarding current pricing might help it a bit, or maybe your system is good as is, and other manufacturers should include both intake and exhaust fans in their cases instead of making you buy a case and then get separate fans which raises the overall cost in the end.
Solid overview as usual.
Yeah, I'm reviewing the Torrent Compact at the moment, and that too has a full length filter (that makes sense), and like the Meshify C you mentioned, is also accessed from the front. Yeah, this one's not a well thought out design since there's no basement radiator support officially.
I'm not overly concerned by the position of included fans in the calculation. I think tackling fans regarding the overall value of them (amount, size, and quality) relative to the value of the specification (support) the case provides is the best way I could rate them. I'm in the middle on whether I should be including them as part of the main Specification score. But that's tricky since I wouldn't want to take away from a case not having fans since it's not entirely necessary, and if fans were part of that score then a case that didn't include a competitive amount of fans (which is sometimes 6+ fans) would never be able to reach a 10/10 for specification score (not that any of them do really). But fans individually are also very expensive relative the price of a case, so they do need to be weighted accordingly. I think you touched on this in your comment (e.g. 2x "Good" fans in a $50 case would be cheaper than getting a $40 case and buying 2x basic new fans - sort of - which means 2x "Good" fans are significantly valuable, which scales with the quality of the fans, and cost of the case)
I think right now (without checking the spreadsheet), Basic 120mm fans are 0.25 points per fan, Good 120mm fans are 0.5 points per fan, and Premium 120mm fans are 0.75 points per fan, and that scales for other sized fans based on their overall area relative to 120mm fans. Maybe I need to de-rate it to 0.2. 0.4, and 0.6 points respectively. Whatever I change it to (if I do) will impact the scores for all cases,so I'm not to concerned with making changes. I just need to figure out what's appropriate (what the value of a fan is as part of the case specification out of 10), and whether I'm being to biased towards cases with lots of fans/
These are always head scratchers, and there's no "right" answer. It's the inevitable subjective weighting of a review, hard to get away from. But we can only do out best and have somewhat thought out reasoning for the approach. I also want to generate more and better component volume calculations to better rate the efficiency of the case specification scores. They're fine for now, but more refinement would be better (as is the case with everything I guess).
Don't feel the need to respond to any of that, it's mostly unintelligible brain vomit :D Now you know why these case reviews are longer than usual.
@@AVTechy but responding to unintelligible brain vomit is what youtube comments is all about!