Cleo saying she was boring confirmed my suspicions. Like this girl has very little personality, we don't know her likes/dislikes, hobbies, frankly she seems like she can't hold a conversation and it's like. Being cute can only sustain someone's career for so long
Like if she were a true rapper, she would’ve had a few punchlines prepared for situations like that. It doesn’t even have to be an actual freestyle lol
@@nikk5002It’s because I don’t think Ice ever went the route of cyphers etc. She just blew up aided by a unique hair color but with afro texture & colorism + a phat butt. As Cleo said she never really had to hustle. Even when you compare her to someone like Megan who was found via cyphers she still didn’t blow for 2 years or so after discovery. Megan is by no means a deeper skin shade but Cold Seasonings blew up incredibly fast. Despite Megan & rappers like Doechii from the very beginning having viral hits, bars, & the ability to freestyle. The industry pushes down on darker complexion women. It’s the same way Iggy Azealea blew up & where she at now? The talent be lacking for these ladies but the BBLs & black womanhood aesthetic on white or biracial women is what the music industry pushes & promotes. Sadly. In what world could Ice Spice outperform Doechii or a lil Kim, foxy brown, Nicki etc? We know she can’t & even when she gets on stage her energy is incredibly low 🥴
Same girl. And idgaf about the girl but this tea is piping hot. I been side eying her since she ditched her natural for them inches and kept singing about booty air.
It's because that girl knows goodness well she has no talent. She was getting by without having to prove herself until then. That's why she looked stunned.
The rise of social media has put less value on individuality and more value on “micro trends”. These kids don’t even know how to develop their own personal interests any more they just like what they are fed online.
Not necessarily… my kids ages 15 and 12 says she’s the brunt of the joke around their friend circles and people around school. My little sister (18 years old) and younger cousins that just turned 21 all say the same. They think the industry places very non talented female rappers to make female rap look bad on purpose and they push it on them to like them and a lot of them say they don’t like it and just ignore. I agree with that… I’m sure there’s young ppl who are fans but a lot of these artists are pushed by the industry regardless if they’re well received or not. The industry knows what it’s doing to push certain stereotypes and imagery to keep a certain dialogue going…
She been a bully . Remember when that women said that: “ice Spice had no stage presence” and Ice spice went straight for the women’s Features AND HER WEIGHT‼️.
@@PennyMsEliteDua lipa was getting the same critic when she first came on the scene and she took that criticism and stepped out. Why can’t I’ve do the same
List of dark skinned women rappers to stream instead of Ice Spice: Cleotrapa, Aaliyah's Interlude, NoName, Tierra Whack, Leikeli47, Jungle Pu$$y, Baby Muva, Flo Milli, Doechii, Kari Faux, Tank from Tank and the Bangas (she sings too), Chika, Little Simz, Cupcakke, Lady Leshurr, KaMillion, Rapsody, and Koffee (she also sings) I know Kelela doesn't raps but I'm adding her because everyone should hear her music 😭
It's actually insane CupCakkke isn't more viral. Her songs are definitely raunchy and maybe 2 extreme for the general public (for now), but her rap's are AMAZING. I'm not a fan of her at all but imo she could be up their with Nicki. The culture def is becoming more hyper sxxulaized and she's probably the only artist who can make what she sings about sound good. But of course she doesn't have the industry look so where is she?
They always compare her to sexxy red but sexxy red isn’t on magazine covers and at the met gala. It’s her complexion (this comment comes from a light skin female too)
Yep, it's not even a fair comparison bc sexxy got 3 bona fide classics. People gonna be DJing, pound town, skee yee, and get it sexxy for the next five years.
Got gassed up to believe she could pull off Kardashian/Jenner antics. Difference is she has no Kris Jenner to keep her career going. Instead, she has a team who about as much of amateurs as she is.
Her team used to manage Nicki Minaj if you pay attention she is following in Nicki Minaj footsteps from copying her to wanting to be the “bad guy” Nicki has prospered despite being the bad guy in the Industry the only issue is before Nicki became the “bad guy”that people label her to be she worked hard for 10 years solidified her career and built a very strong fanbase now here is where ice team is going wrong with ice
The tweets her manager put out after the whole incident reeked of unprofessional & clearly they don’t have a professional PR or crisis agent b/c Ice also had some wild tweets as well ie would you rather be a bum or a bad a** b****
No disrespect to Down Syndrome people...Ice Spice looks like she was almost Down Syndrome.. Sad that Anything light skin is worshipped which is so crazy.. Ice Spice looks always lost.
fr, everything about her always got me in a big resounding meh. sure, she's cute and her body is commercially attractive (thin waist in comparison to thick thighs and butt), but i always found her boring, especially after that hot ones interview. now i found out she's both boring And nasty. yikes
It make sense do you hear her songs 😂😂😂. She really said on a song “You thought you was the shit you not even a fart” 😂😂😂😂😂 No way she can rap freestyle 🤭.
Listening to Cleotrapa we found out Ice was actually a fan of hers before being friends. That’s why you have to be careful being friends with people who look up to you. She kept her close and was envious of her. Then when she blew up she tried to shit on her out of jealousy then stole her Y2K look. Ladies be careful befriending people who “admire” you they just want to be you and shit on you if they surpass you 🤷🏾♀️. Basically they see you as competition and Cleo finally saw who she really was on tour!
Glad Cleo spilled te!. But Cleo a mess too! She was putting up with Ice in hopes of getting in with nicki. She was even subbing cardi & meg unprovoked... now she's complimenting then hoping to get in there. She's pretty & talented she could've skipped all the silly stiff.
Ice Spice became the “IT” girl quicker than anyone I’ve ever seen in my life lol seriously, she was everywhere and I couldn’t figure out why other than her look. Honestly, I’ve seen prettier light skinned or biracial women, so I didn’t know what it was. I thought maybe the hair color ??? 😂 she won’t be missed when she falls.
Most people like you and I couldn’t understand her appeal looks wise. She was connected with the right people in the industry. That’s what the white executives think we want to see. If the public wanted her so much she would have sold more.
She’s an IN DUS TRY PLANT. Her boyfriend and producer Riot is the son of music industry execs. He’s a nepo baby, funny enough out of them both he’s the only one with talent
Sir Mix a lot was not a one hit wonder....There were like three or two albums and about 5 songs that hit. My posse on Broadway and the song that came out in 92/93 are still classic till this day. Vanilla Ice was a fraud which is why he became a one hit Wonder...his whole character was a cosplay move.
You're right about the desirability conversation-it needs to be had. I remember going to yhe Diamonds World Tour to see Rihanna, and my friend and I actually fell asleep. Rihanna was giving very little and that's when I realized all she selling was looks and desirabilty.
It’s amazing what we as Black people will tolerate from someone just because their features are palatable. Even when it’s obvious that the person’s character is 🗑️. It says a lot about us collectively in a very bad way. I know we all don’t push & celebrate 🗑️ but too many of our people do.
I was just watching an old livestream of Justin's and he said it's the way we can toss a rock and hit a celebrity abuser who's black and still manages to have a long running career. Too many of us will gobble up ignant ish.
@@jbell7105people follow us tho. If we stop validating this girl other people will eventually move on including the media. They only push people we validate. when are we going to understand our real power??
when you mentioned how ppl were saying ice spice is bringing something different, i think about how ppl celebrated her for embracing her natural features, specifically her hair (which turned out to be fake lol). and the only reason why they celebrate this "authenticity" is bcuz its a mixed girl wearing these "natural features" when black women (especially dark skinned black women) gets shamed for it. i deadass remember someone trying to claim ice spice as nigerian and in the same day, ppl was downplaying the model anok yai's beauty for being "eurocentric" as if ice spice isn’t the most white looking mixed person ever. its the hypocrisy of wanting authentic artists yet hype up ppl like ice spice who u could easily tell is fake, but ppl only liked her bcuz selfhating ppl wish they looked like her
Ice spice skin is very white but if she had darker skin she would not show up like an East African . She does not have keen features like anok . Ice spice would look like most west African women . Which is still beautiful , but the industry prefers the East African look on dark skin . Because if they were white those features would blend if that makes sense . Ice spice is not even seen as top tier as a Latina . So she try’s to lord it over black women .
Yeah Ice's hair def made her stand out yet sadly I think people would think it's "weird" if Megan The Stallion had her natural hair because the standard in rap is WEAVE. I mean look at what they said to Doja with her natural hair, and she's mixed herself! Sad you need to be as white as possible to show off some black features. Also insane they're saying that about Anok because she's the only black model I've ever seen wear her natural 4c hair out on the RUNWAY and look beautiful doing so.
I’m tired of these industry executives thinking they know what we want and what will sell because they don’t. We want real singers and real rappers. We want people with real talent.
isis is really evil bro. not everyone can be lying. even her response said a lot about how she moves irl. she didn't/couldn't say cleo was lying because she wasn't. ice can't even understand how comically evil she's becoming and it's sad
Like fr and I was shocked and still shocked that she got away with bullying and being a mean girl this just goes to show the industry loves their lightskins and I wouldn’t even call ice lightskin… same with the way she got away with any other times she was expose i will never forgive this generation for making her famous
The fact that Nicki crowned Ice "the princess." And let's not ignore Cleo chilled with Spice hoping to get a Nicki cosign. I was so disappointed to see Cleo going after Meg with horse & mom jokes unprovoked all for nickii. Now she's complmenting Meg hoping to get a look.
Meg literally advocated for JT's freedom. JT was turned on her & Cardi when things were right and went after her all for a Nicki cosign. It's funny to see how Ice, Cleo, JT all played themselves for going after ppl who showed them love for Mrs. Petty
I can't believe people said Doechi looks like a man. That's just colorism tbh and we really need to think about what it means to "look like a man" when we have androgynous folks and terms like "pretty boy."
@@fliptheswitchyt Before I knew who Doechi was as a rapper I saw her as an actress in the movie Earth Mama. I thought wow, this girl is so pretty and so many of these actresses are doing so well, lemme Google somethin... Come to find out Doechi, Erika Alexander from Living Single, and another rapper who plays the main character are in the movie. Tia Namore or something like that. Doechi is beautiful and such a talent! A multi hyphenate for sure!
She looks like a man dressed up as a woman. It’s not bc of her skin tone at all. Her face is strong, and her jawline is more square. No one called her ugly tho.
She shave her head. She has beautiful features but she does like to present masc. I love doechii but I'm annoyed that yet another dark black women is promoting that look. I feel like feminine dark skinned women have no representation. And if you watch doechiis old videos like on UA-cam...she use to be very feminine !!!
The way my dark skinned self had an auburn curly fro for the first half of 2022 and everyone thought I looked goofy and then she happened...........just feeling a little vindicated.
Ice Spice blew up because of who her boyfriend's father is and his connections in the industry. She made a deal that compromised her principles. Ice sold her soul. She is funny looking and not attractive at all.
Thank you. People say Ice blew up because she's lightskin and pretty - that's part of it, but just being pretty won't do THAT much for you. And I'm glad we're finally being honest because she is not the best looking singer or rapper by a long shot. I say look at Lana Del Rey vs Taylor Swift. Both are beautiful women with white privillege, but one's wayy more popular despite having less to offer artistically.. And that's because of marketablitiy. Music is a BUSINESS first and foremost and what's most average and digestable wins. Unforunately the soulless execetives have bad taste and the general population isn't passionate enough about music to find the best underground artists LOL. Even look at Sxxx_y Redd blowing up. She isn't cute at all and doesn't even style herself properly but she made a viral song so here we are!
Oh also people forget Ice's audience was WOMEN. If only straight guys were watching her than okay, but let's be honest if they're in that mindset they're gonna look at pr00n not a rapper.
I never thought we’d come to a time in music where being a one-hit wonder is more praiseworthy than a “trend”😭 that’s how you know the talent is SCARCE!
The talent isn't really scarce. The black moguls are not putting the talented folks on. It's all about a look nowadays. It's so sad and very tired...Smdh!
I don't expect half of these new rap girlies to have any type of longevity. They're just trending for the moment. No real impact that going to be felt decades later like the 80s/90s rappers
they only make music for social media. at least nicki minaj has influence over opening new doors for this generation of female rap artists to flourish, but i only see doechii, doja, and megan having any staying power. they actually put in the work and expand their network outside of tiktok virality and seem to care about their craft
Loving these conversations that people are having around colorism with this topic. It's true .. s lot of yt / light skin women position themselves next to dark skin/brown skin as a "ego boost". I'm glad that people calling it out and calling out how we have to do better for the people we push into power .
You have to talk featurism too since you added Glo to this video. She’s lightskin too. But has very traditional black features and isn’t curvy. Also, colorism for men is different than women. Traditionally the buck stereotype and sexualizing dark skin black men changes how we perceive light skin men. They are seen as more feminine even in community or soft. So I’m unsure the relation between how you date lightskin men and how they’re perceived in the grand scheme of society and proximity to whiteness. 😩But Doechi is so bomb! And untraditional. She’s a breathe of fresh air, and pushes the envelope.
Great points I really feel like colourism is just one facet of overall anti blackness We think light skin is preferred, when really the ultimate goal is to be as far away from looking black as possible and I firmly believe that’s why Chloe Bailey hasn’t succeeded as much as she should have-her features are too black for the mainstream, despite her light skin. Also texturism is a thing. So when we think it’s about skin colour, it’s far deeper than that. The issue is looking black
@@alkahinat4558 I will say I think another factor is how viral someone markets themselves. Ice Spice actually has a lot of traditionally "black" features she's just veryyy light. And you say you need to be as far away from looking black as possible, but Ice's body and hair were part of her "selling points".🤢 Chloe hasn't succeeded as MUCH because despite being an incredibly beautiful women(let's face it, more than Ice), having one of the best voices in the industry EVER, and having Beyonce backing her -- she just hasn't gone viral on TikTok. Ice made silly digestable songs that were palatable to a large audience, someone like Chloe will never have that cause ironically she's too good. You don't have to be good or talented or even the best looking to be famous, it about connections, marketing and luck.
@@stickynotes2040 absolutely, I should have elaborated-the goal is to not look black ideally in terms of a popular look, but traditionally black features on mixed or non black people? Eaten up. Because you’re right, Ice Bigheaded Spice does have traditionally black features, she looks Igbo Nigerian. Not fully, but you can see the ancestry. As for my baby Chlo. You’re right on that too, the only thing she went viral for was her buss it challenge…which is probably why she thought going super sexual would help her career. Chloe looks very African to me, she would be so embraced over there because she’s so talented and beautiful. It’s really a shame 😩
I don’t think Megan was talking bout ice spice in BOA but it fits cold paprika so well “ bitch yo time up why is u not clocking out doing shit for TikTok” and “anit listen when your shit drop”
Her hair was not originally a wig. He wasn't correct about that. You can tell she occasionally wears a wig that looks like her hair when she probably doesn't want to/have time to do her hair.
@@pinkapplepotato oh OK. Cause I commented that I felt a way about her having her natural curls at first, then starting to wear the 'Nikki Minaj wigs' just before he said that.
I don't know 1 memorable Ice Spice beat nor rap but if someone sings two notes from Victoria Monet, I'm humming & singing her whole music catalog all day. It's a matter of, twerking vs true talent.
And, yes, that's another part of why music is such a mess, these days. Songs are like 2 minutes long and are build for tiktok, for quick consumption, for having a "dance" with it, and then it's forgotten. That's why Taylor out here releasing 20 versions of one song or album or whatever she's doing. Social media has messed up music. If it's not trending, it's not popular. And artists are steadily chasing those trending statuses rather than making real good music. And older artists or just artists who care more about their music have a hard time staying "on" because they are making music, not tiktok songs. And their younger fans are "concerned" for them because "you're not trending, so you're flopping", but the record sales are good, concerts are being sold out... as someone who really loves music, it's kind of sad to witness.
Seriously. You know something's wrong when Taylor Swift is the most popular musician on all time. She's good but not great, but she's so popular because she knows how to market herself. No artistic value anymore. The music of the 90's was SO much better because they just push looks they pushed TALENT.
I’ve never seen “attractive” in Ice Spice. Too many people still think light skin automatically equates to pretty, and it’s just not true!!! She’s proof of that!!! 😂
When Isis Spices first came out, I understood the appeal. She was chill, monotone, just a baddie wit ha baddie friends. I saw her when she was on tour with Doja Cat and I thought she did good. She didn’t rap with a backing track and great breath control so you could hear every single word clearly. I felt bad bc it seemed like she only got loud cheers when she bent over. I think the music that has been coming out the past few years have been microtrends. For example with fashion, white tees are a staple but the cut and fit can be a trend like a tall t-shirt vs cropped. Then there’s the micro trend. A tall tee with the snowman or a cropped tee with music lyrics on it. The music trend is Jersey mix, NY drill, Detroit type beats but the micro trend is mumble rap and in Ice Spice’s case, rapping like a run on sentence and a stale flow. She should’ve made her Like EP and album and took a couple years to progress.
What "feeling" did people get from Ice Water? She was boring AF and gave me the feeling of benadryl everytime I heard her songs. If I wanted to listen to monotone rap, I would just listen to 21 Savage who is much more skilled and interesting in spite of his tone of voice and delivery. I have to wonder if Ice Spice is just a product of the NYC media/sphere machine trying to return NYC hip hop to higher relevance again. She was apparently just a conventionally attractive vehicle through which to push that agenda. I will say that not all rappers are going to be good or even remotely capable freestylers (Lil' baby clearly didn't know how to rap when he came out and could only do the most simplistic freestyle, but at least he was capable of trying. However he obviously worked and then became quite amazing at freestyling within a 2 year period! So clearly if you care, you can become better, or even good at it), but it was always obvious that she didn't even have vague creative talent just based on her delivery in her "music" if that is what you wanna call it.
I was very indifferent when she came out. I thought Munch was cute, but that was it. But once old tweets surfaced and her performances never became better then “meh” I kinda counted her out. No hate, just not my vibe. With these latest accusations, however, I’m just seeing her for who she is: a young woman that still needs to mature. Hopefully she can redirect to influcing or something
6:45 “Oh girl y’all trying to get me to do something that I am claiming to be? Oh girl, no ma’am. Y’all finna see this…this butt.” 😭😭😭😭😂😂😂🤣😂🤣🤣 this is too fucking funny cuz why didn’t we get aaaaaany bars there? 😭😭😭 like, not ONE?
She was 100% cosplaying… how to you have a Y2K tour when you were born that year…. I’m not sure why people think they participated in a paradigm/culture when you were 5 and under……. I think that’s why she isn’t interesting because it’s not real…… I was born in 93 and can only say so much about growing up in th 90s (I relate with most of it) but being born in 2000 and acting like you recall or relate to anything prior to 2008 is words behavior. I think she just used to have tumblr and found some funky 90s queen and just stole that style and did the fro because it was different… she didn’t have hair like that at all prior
People got so mad at me when I said colorism is a huge factor to her success. I have never been impressed by her period. I just figured i got too old to enjoy her at that point. Lmao she was the last time the Drake stimulus package worked.
It's not beauty, I call it shiny or pretty adjacent, it's what we're told or have been programmed to believe is attractive or desirable...all the elements are there, but somehow it not really it.
When Amara Lanegra came out she was told that she should get rid of the afro. Soooo yeah! Spicy Ice is allowed to wear an afro and she does absolutely nothing
Something in me feels like even not being dark skin myself, but having a dark skin mother, gramma, & titis also engenders a kind of empathy that folks without darker women who they deeply love in their lives tend to lack. They don't see themselves in those women the way some of us do & it shows. I love hearing the way you unabashedly defend & center darker girls cuz most ppl have lost the plot.
Back in the day entertainers where professionally trained to sing, dance and act not be basic street performers. Ridiculous! People can get that a clubs!
Nobody -- 5:00 Remember Amara La Negra had her afro esthetic when she first came on LHH, then the producer (I forgot his name) told her that she has the body but not the “hair look”…he wanted less Chaka Khan and more Beyoncé. She felt offended at first but as she continued on the show (on and off) we saw her with bobs, long straight hair, etc. rarely see the fro
My name is Desire & when you said Desire has a lot to do with her career I’m just like “I didn’t have anything to do with that😭” lol love you so much king ☺️
Kelly Rowland has the best voice but Beyonce got promoted heavily; it because Kelly is dark skin and Beyonce is light skin ; the music industry is colorist !
Kelly actually went solo first and did well. I think Beyoncé just wanted more. Same with Kim Kardashian. Both of these women have done many things that have done well and failed and they have kept going. I do feel it definitely was harder for Kelly yes due to her aesthetic but, Kelly just wasn’t having it. Beyoncé tolerated a lot of Bs that I think Kelly wasn’t about to deal with. Some people literally make it cause they will do anything.
Thank youuuuu......And they been that way since their birth. Hollywood and the Music industry......Take Black movies in the early 1900 their leading ladies were always Light skin. But Black directors of those day. Was very versatile in their character. Also in the 1920 you had two heavy hitters in the music Game. Bessie Smith and Ma Rainey. The Industry did everything to downplay these women. By creating a light skin artist that would top their success
While this may be true, remember, Kelly went solo first and got the Grammy before beyonce! This was during the time when darker-skinned women were the face of R&B so I wouldn’t put so much of it as colorism. Beyoncé’s daddy also had a hand in making sure *his daughter* excelled.
Beyoncé didn’t deal with as much as Kelly, hell Kelly and the other band members were put on the back burner FOR Beyoncé to shine. Beyoncé was shrewd to them as well, her family got to travel with them while the other girls didn’t have that kind of support. Beyoncé got a jaguar while the other girls did not. Don’t believe the hype, the group was snubbed in so many ways and yes I feel Kelly being an original member it was because she was dark
@@prim.an.propher1505Kelly was not given as much opportunity because of colorism, absolutely, putting that on Beyoncé will always rub me the wrong way though. She has been extremely vocal in her support of Kelly and Michelle amplifying their projects often. Having her take responsibility for the choices of grown people when she was a teenager is unfair.
The music industry seems to be dying. Female rappers are pushed out based on a certain look not their actual talent. I would love it if we could focus more on female rappers with talent like Rapsody, Lil Sims, Tierra Wack ect...
Facts I just listened to her music cause I'm just a curious person and I can see why Ice Spice was in her feelings Cleotrapa is everything she isn't a full package!💯
I love how saweetie is criticized but she actually tried to improve and noticed that colorism helped her but the fact that she has never publicly dragged another black woman is insane is that why she lost a following she ain’t never shitted on another woman I period and her growth stunted because of that she 10 times better than I’ve
Everyone is definitely shaking their butts and the world most certainly is NOT a better place. I’m so tired of these talentless acts ruining and devaluing the hip hop culture. Hardly any thought provoking lyrics and atp the butt is the brain
I’m not sure if you use outlines for your videos but you probably should. It seems like you’re coming from off the dome, which is cool and candid. I enjoy your content but your videos would flow better with an outline or script, so you can hit all of your points.
I didn’t expect a 2nd video on this topic. And to support the good point you’re making she said herself the industry people are always telling her *“at least she’s pretty”* All of the people that know and work with her personally know that she’s devoid of talent, intellect and personality *but at least she’s pretty* 6:37 also she’s not even that good at that. They go harder in ATL, New Orleans and Miami
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Thank you for being a voice and speaking about colorism. It's your brand at this point and I completely trust your viewpoints. ❤
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Zero talent, no stage presence, and a bad character to top it off. This woman's downfall has been a long time coming.
WE DO NOT FUCK WITH THE DEVIL WORSHIPPING GESTURES
Loooong loooon loooong time coming 👀🫠
Cleo saying she was boring confirmed my suspicions. Like this girl has very little personality, we don't know her likes/dislikes, hobbies, frankly she seems like she can't hold a conversation and it's like. Being cute can only sustain someone's career for so long
Doesn't matter. She is fair skinned and has a shapely behind so she will always have some relevancy.
@@user-yo7zo6jj9q shapely? 😅😅
Kai Cenat asked her to rap and she twerked???? All the old school female MCs are shaking their head lol
Foxy Brown literally passed out.
Like if she were a true rapper, she would’ve had a few punchlines prepared for situations like that. It doesn’t even have to be an actual freestyle lol
@@nikk5002you literally wrote what she always says when rapping “Like”🥴. She so wack, like, like…
@@nikk5002It’s because I don’t think Ice ever went the route of cyphers etc. She just blew up aided by a unique hair color but with afro texture & colorism + a phat butt. As Cleo said she never really had to hustle. Even when you compare her to someone like Megan who was found via cyphers she still didn’t blow for 2 years or so after discovery. Megan is by no means a deeper skin shade but Cold Seasonings blew up incredibly fast. Despite Megan & rappers like Doechii from the very beginning having viral hits, bars, & the ability to freestyle. The industry pushes down on darker complexion women.
It’s the same way Iggy Azealea blew up & where she at now? The talent be lacking for these ladies but the BBLs & black womanhood aesthetic on white or biracial women is what the music industry pushes & promotes. Sadly. In what world could Ice Spice outperform Doechii or a lil Kim, foxy brown, Nicki etc? We know she can’t & even when she gets on stage her energy is incredibly low 🥴
@@LacquerLockdownNot “cold seasonings” 😂😂😂😂😂😂
"she's not even a one hit wonder...bc it never really hit, it was a trend" THIS.
Yes, and we know what trends do. They come…and then they go.
She's never been talented or interesting. And now this Cleo drama just solidified that she ain't ish.
She’s a fartttt 💨
Not even the fart
@@lineagelas4757😂😂😂
@@lineagelas4757Now, are you using her 💩y [pun intended] lyrics against her?🤣🤣🤣
@@lineagelas4757she ain’t goin hard, LIKE😂🤚🏽
the speed at which i clicked...
Same girl. And idgaf about the girl but this tea is piping hot. I been side eying her since she ditched her natural for them inches and kept singing about booty air.
Ok!!!!
Same!!!!
Same 😂
i even got a snack
She on her way out. She can't rap so let's start with that.
i'm so surprised people let the poop raps slide lol like what are we talking about lady?
@@loeuphoriaHer tictok rap that got her famous...no poo mentioned. Got famous....💩
Correct. And her new music sucks. It’s embarrassing to listen to.
The fact she chose to twerk instead of freestyle on Kai cenat stream shoulda ended her career right then and there💀
@@cbsyllthat part! What a joke 😬
Someone said Ice is melting 😂😂😂
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Boiling, like Latto said lol
I HOLLERED at the Kai Cenat clip😭😭😭😭 “she looked stunned”😭😭😭😂
She really did 😂. I rolled it back & she looks shook when he drops the beat 😂😭
@@LacquerLockdown she did look shook 💀
It's because that girl knows goodness well she has no talent. She was getting by without having to prove herself until then. That's why she looked stunned.
It be the young fanbases keeping these trash artist relevant 🥲
🎯 🎯🎯
The rise of social media has put less value on individuality and more value on “micro trends”. These kids don’t even know how to develop their own personal interests any more they just like what they are fed online.
And even my niece is clowning her atp🤭
@@blakerobinson5084 I agree 100%
Not necessarily… my kids ages 15 and 12 says she’s the brunt of the joke around their friend circles and people around school. My little sister (18 years old) and younger cousins that just turned 21 all say the same. They think the industry places very non talented female rappers to make female rap look bad on purpose and they push it on them to like them and a lot of them say they don’t like it and just ignore. I agree with that… I’m sure there’s young ppl who are fans but a lot of these artists are pushed by the industry regardless if they’re well received or not. The industry knows what it’s doing to push certain stereotypes and imagery to keep a certain dialogue going…
Amara La Negra got chewed out for wearing an afro, and all she wanted to do was prove that hairstyle is acceptable
I’m so glad you brought this up. It’s the first thing I thought about.
Amara was the first reality star I saw rocking it so elegantly.
Yet when Ice wears an Afro wig that was chopped up looking… it was still ok.
Amara looked so pretty in hers. As a kid I used to copy Diana Ross’s big hair, took years to realise that blown out Afro look, was a wig.
She been a bully . Remember when that women said that: “ice Spice had no stage presence” and Ice spice went straight for the women’s Features AND HER WEIGHT‼️.
No stage presence when you're a NEW artist... of course that's an insult, so Ice insulted back.
@@PennyMsEliteand that did make her look good at all did it?
@@PennyMsEliteDua lipa was getting the same critic when she first came on the scene and she took that criticism and stepped out. Why can’t I’ve do the same
@@SmoothOpe_ People react differently.
@@Lorii333 No
That Kai clip will always be hilarious 😂
It's the chuckle when he realizes she really not going to rap 😭
... especially because he kept saying, "F^ck it up!", waiting for her to rap, while she pretended she didn't know what he meant.
List of dark skinned women rappers to stream instead of Ice Spice: Cleotrapa, Aaliyah's Interlude, NoName, Tierra Whack, Leikeli47, Jungle Pu$$y, Baby Muva, Flo Milli, Doechii, Kari Faux, Tank from Tank and the Bangas (she sings too), Chika, Little Simz, Cupcakke, Lady Leshurr, KaMillion, Rapsody, and Koffee (she also sings)
I know Kelela doesn't raps but I'm adding her because everyone should hear her music 😭
thank you for that
It's actually insane CupCakkke isn't more viral. Her songs are definitely raunchy and maybe 2 extreme for the general public (for now), but her rap's are AMAZING. I'm not a fan of her at all but imo she could be up their with Nicki. The culture def is becoming more hyper sxxulaized and she's probably the only artist who can make what she sings about sound good.
But of course she doesn't have the industry look so where is she?
The fact that I know every artist on the list.... You have great taste my dear ❤❤
Thanks, I've been looking for a list for a while now. Gonna screenshot
@@cammyt9030 I did the same
They always compare her to sexxy red but sexxy red isn’t on magazine covers and at the met gala. It’s her complexion (this comment comes from a light skin female too)
Bingo
Yep, it's not even a fair comparison bc sexxy got 3 bona fide classics.
People gonna be DJing, pound town, skee yee, and get it sexxy for the next five years.
because her look isn't considered beautiful and she's not the fake beauty standard but sexxy is popular.
Got gassed up to believe she could pull off Kardashian/Jenner antics. Difference is she has no Kris Jenner to keep her career going. Instead, she has a team who about as much of amateurs as she is.
I said this. Was about to put this as a comment.
She not even interesting either at least Kim uses her toxicity to be entertaining
Her team used to manage Nicki Minaj if you pay attention she is following in Nicki Minaj footsteps from copying her to wanting to be the “bad guy” Nicki has prospered despite being the bad guy in the Industry the only issue is before Nicki became the “bad guy”that people label her to be she worked hard for 10 years solidified her career and built a very strong fanbase now here is where ice team is going wrong with ice
@@Wtfhappenedto2024LMAO
The tweets her manager put out after the whole incident reeked of unprofessional & clearly they don’t have a professional PR or crisis agent b/c Ice also had some wild tweets as well ie would you rather be a bum or a bad a** b****
Please let ice spice go away .... 🙏🙏🙏🙏
I’m manifesting it. Should never have been given a mic.
Me too
Yes - and please forever.
Send Ice back to the club
Sorry not sorry, there’s ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ATTRACTIVE ABOUT Ice Spice!!! Not her looks, attitude, or character!!!
No disrespect to Down Syndrome people...Ice Spice looks like she was almost Down Syndrome.. Sad that Anything light skin is worshipped which is so crazy.. Ice Spice looks always lost.
Thank you, no offense to her but nothing about her is giving "Saweeetie" at least I get it when they say that about her!
fr, everything about her always got me in a big resounding meh. sure, she's cute and her body is commercially attractive (thin waist in comparison to thick thighs and butt), but i always found her boring, especially after that hot ones interview. now i found out she's both boring And nasty. yikes
Thank you!!! I don’t get it!!! 😂😂😂
No offense or disrespect to anyone but she always gave Down syndrome tease.
Personally, I’ve been waiting for Ice Spice to go away. I never understood the hype but then again, I understood the hype.
Her skin tone and body is the hype....Let's be real
Light skin with a big butt that was her claim to fame
She looks like what would happen if Ronald McDonald and Raggedy Ann had a baby and no one ever needed to see that.
Facts leave her in September pls and thanks
@@ZimaalaYea because the face doesn’t eat, sorry not sorry 😬
I said in 5 years she gon be on love n hip hop * jcole voice* and the ppl ate me up chile lol but now here we areeee
I felt a Saweetie comparison coming up the horizon and it didn't fail😅😅
😂 right and even saweetie is more talented than this girl, which means she must be really bad.
@@TriggaTreDaysaweetie at least is gettin the bag somewhere else
@@Wtfhappenedto2024 what is she doing? I can’t keep up.
Oh I thought he was speaking of Rhianna lol
@@AngelicDiva1988Rihanna got bangers lol wym
5:38 This look of confusion from a rapper after being told to rap and a beat easy enough for her to rap starts playing…
izzy azalea vibes lol
Crying 😭😭😭😭😭
this was really hard to watch, second hand embarrassment off the CHARTS
I ALWAYS SAID SHE LOOK & SOUND A MESS AS FAR AS A RAPPER
It make sense do you hear her songs 😂😂😂. She really said on a song “You thought you was the shit you not even a fart” 😂😂😂😂😂 No way she can rap freestyle 🤭.
Listening to Cleotrapa we found out Ice was actually a fan of hers before being friends. That’s why you have to be careful being friends with people who look up to you. She kept her close and was envious of her. Then when she blew up she tried to shit on her out of jealousy then stole her Y2K look. Ladies be careful befriending people who “admire” you they just want to be you and shit on you if they surpass you 🤷🏾♀️. Basically they see you as competition and Cleo finally saw who she really was on tour!
Tell me about it, smh
Too much admiration can turn to jealousy and then envy. You right on it
Glad Cleo spilled te!. But Cleo a mess too! She was putting up with Ice in hopes of getting in with nicki. She was even subbing cardi & meg unprovoked... now she's complimenting then hoping to get in there. She's pretty & talented she could've skipped all the silly stiff.
Ice Spice became the “IT” girl quicker than anyone I’ve ever seen in my life lol seriously, she was everywhere and I couldn’t figure out why other than her look. Honestly, I’ve seen prettier light skinned or biracial women, so I didn’t know what it was. I thought maybe the hair color ??? 😂 she won’t be missed when she falls.
Wow
I have an orange/brown Afro and I was in Lithuania last summer and some little kids called me Ice Spice I was appalled LOL
Most people like you and I couldn’t understand her appeal looks wise. She was connected with the right people in the industry. That’s what the white executives think we want to see. If the public wanted her so much she would have sold more.
She’s an IN DUS TRY PLANT. Her boyfriend and producer Riot is the son of music industry execs. He’s a nepo baby, funny enough out of them both he’s the only one with talent
It’s her body! Not just her skin tone.
Sir Mix- A- Lot is a great example of “1 Hit Wonder” or Vanilla Ice. Everyone still knows their songs. Ice Spice doesn’t have likeable catchy songs.
Sir Mix a lot was not a one hit wonder....There were like three or two albums and about 5 songs that hit. My posse on Broadway and the song that came out in 92/93 are still classic till this day. Vanilla Ice was a fraud which is why he became a one hit Wonder...his whole character was a cosplay move.
I believe Sir Mix alot was behind studio production as well
But she’s like Princess Diana - if Princess Diana said the N-word all the time and it was a mediocre performer from hell.
@@Zimaala This posse on broadway, baby got back, put em on the glass
Deli? Think you the shit?? SHE HAS BOPS that the consumers like stop lying pls
Im ctfu at the Kai Cenat clip. How have I never seen this? 😂
DESIRABILITY POLITICS IS FUCKING PPL UP BAD. Shoutout Da’shaun Fr!!!!
You're right about the desirability conversation-it needs to be had. I remember going to yhe Diamonds World Tour to see Rihanna, and my friend and I actually fell asleep. Rihanna was giving very little and that's when I realized all she selling was looks and desirabilty.
Not falling asleep at a concert 😂😂😂
And no one wants to have that conversation about Rhi, although she does drop them HITS
@@szasremmurd8002 Aye, Rhi gave us fashion and bops !! lol I never thought she was the best performer but she gave us something !! Lol
Rihanna definitely improved her stage presence. BBHMM performance is just one example lol
Wow.really
Ice is a C0lorist and I can’t be convinced otherwise
It’s amazing what we as Black people will tolerate from someone just because their features are palatable. Even when it’s obvious that the person’s character is 🗑️. It says a lot about us collectively in a very bad way. I know we all don’t push & celebrate 🗑️ but too many of our people do.
I was just watching an old livestream of Justin's and he said it's the way we can toss a rock and hit a celebrity abuser who's black and still manages to have a long running career. Too many of us will gobble up ignant ish.
She has other supporters outside of black people
@@jbell7105 But Tristan isn't talking about them right now, so...
@@jbell7105people follow us tho. If we stop validating this girl other people will eventually move on including the media. They only push people we validate. when are we going to understand our real power??
The blk community is obsessed with lyteskin
when you mentioned how ppl were saying ice spice is bringing something different, i think about how ppl celebrated her for embracing her natural features, specifically her hair (which turned out to be fake lol). and the only reason why they celebrate this "authenticity" is bcuz its a mixed girl wearing these "natural features" when black women (especially dark skinned black women) gets shamed for it.
i deadass remember someone trying to claim ice spice as nigerian and in the same day, ppl was downplaying the model anok yai's beauty for being "eurocentric" as if ice spice isn’t the most white looking mixed person ever. its the hypocrisy of wanting authentic artists yet hype up ppl like ice spice who u could easily tell is fake, but ppl only liked her bcuz selfhating ppl wish they looked like her
Ice spice skin is very white but if she had darker skin she would not show up like an East African . She does not have keen features like anok . Ice spice would look like most west African women . Which is still beautiful , but the industry prefers the East African look on dark skin . Because if they were white those features would blend if that makes sense . Ice spice is not even seen as top tier as a Latina . So she try’s to lord it over black women .
Yeah Ice's hair def made her stand out yet sadly I think people would think it's "weird" if Megan The Stallion had her natural hair because the standard in rap is WEAVE. I mean look at what they said to Doja with her natural hair, and she's mixed herself! Sad you need to be as white as possible to show off some black features.
Also insane they're saying that about Anok because she's the only black model I've ever seen wear her natural 4c hair out on the RUNWAY and look beautiful doing so.
I’m tired of these industry executives thinking they know what we want and what will sell because they don’t. We want real singers and real rappers. We want people with real talent.
Wait until the industry is done with ice spice, she gon' be sorry she burn so many bridges....
isis is really evil bro. not everyone can be lying. even her response said a lot about how she moves irl. she didn't/couldn't say cleo was lying because she wasn't. ice can't even understand how comically evil she's becoming and it's sad
Like fr and I was shocked and still shocked that she got away with bullying and being a mean girl this just goes to show the industry loves their lightskins and I wouldn’t even call ice lightskin… same with the way she got away with any other times she was expose i will never forgive this generation for making her famous
Same with Nicki Minaj, her mentor, ironically.
Grand opening, grand closing LOL PLEASE
Facts if Nicki was a darkskin woman she would’ve been out of here! An if Megan was lightskin the horse jokes an shit talking wouldn’t be a thing 😂😂😂
Yeah I honestly believe they would still call Megan a man just bc she’s tall even if she were light skin, but I think it’s worse bc she’s brown skin
But y'all say Lil Kim was bigger and she is darker than Nicki lol 😂 so why Nicki can't exist and be great
The fact that Nicki crowned Ice "the princess." And let's not ignore Cleo chilled with Spice hoping to get a Nicki cosign. I was so disappointed to see Cleo going after Meg with horse & mom jokes unprovoked all for nickii. Now she's complmenting Meg hoping to get a look.
Meg literally advocated for JT's freedom. JT was turned on her & Cardi when things were right and went after her all for a Nicki cosign. It's funny to see how Ice, Cleo, JT all played themselves for going after ppl who showed them love for Mrs. Petty
@@brooklyndecember girl Nicki called her the princess because their iconic Collab Is called PRINCESS Diana love
Dominican Orphan Annie has finally fallen!!! 🎉 🙌🏿
also idk if i'm late but omg congrats on hitting 200k!
Can we talk about the men in ice spice ear after reading them screenshots smh
Thought I was the only one who thought that. She sounded like a straight male
Doechii-Alligator bites never heal is pending Classic album status.
Yes it’s hotter.. then ice cold water
@@JVcity4 I’m enjoying that album so much! Denial is a river is on repeat 🤣🤣🤣
@@iaminevitable_ Denial is hard!
@@JVcity4definitely! 🔥 And she uses the samples in such a satisfying way
Ice Spice's comments dismissing Cleo sent me....The only entitlement Cleotrapa felt was ENTITLED TO HER RESPECT!!!
I can't believe people said Doechi looks like a man. That's just colorism tbh and we really need to think about what it means to "look like a man" when we have androgynous folks and terms like "pretty boy."
@fliptheswitchyt
That's true, after all even babies are androgynous
Doechi is gorgeous 😍
@@fliptheswitchyt Before I knew who Doechi was as a rapper I saw her as an actress in the movie Earth Mama. I thought wow, this girl is so pretty and so many of these actresses are doing so well, lemme Google somethin... Come to find out Doechi, Erika Alexander from Living Single, and another rapper who plays the main character are in the movie. Tia Namore or something like that. Doechi is beautiful and such a talent! A multi hyphenate for sure!
She looks like a man dressed up as a woman. It’s not bc of her skin tone at all. Her face is strong, and her jawline is more square. No one called her ugly tho.
She shave her head. She has beautiful features but she does like to present masc. I love doechii but I'm annoyed that yet another dark black women is promoting that look. I feel like feminine dark skinned women have no representation. And if you watch doechiis old videos like on UA-cam...she use to be very feminine !!!
The way my dark skinned self had an auburn curly fro for the first half of 2022 and everyone thought I looked goofy and then she happened...........just feeling a little vindicated.
@@fearoffrying I thought she looked like Ronald McDonald 😩🤣🤣🤦🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️
Ice Spice blew up because of who her boyfriend's father is and his connections in the industry. She made a deal that compromised her principles. Ice sold her soul. She is funny looking and not attractive at all.
Oh wow?! Never would’ve thought of Riot being thee help
Thank you. People say Ice blew up because she's lightskin and pretty - that's part of it, but just being pretty won't do THAT much for you. And I'm glad we're finally being honest because she is not the best looking singer or rapper by a long shot.
I say look at Lana Del Rey vs Taylor Swift. Both are beautiful women with white privillege, but one's wayy more popular despite having less to offer artistically.. And that's because of marketablitiy. Music is a BUSINESS first and foremost and what's most average and digestable wins. Unforunately the soulless execetives have bad taste and the general population isn't passionate enough about music to find the best underground artists LOL.
Even look at Sxxx_y Redd blowing up. She isn't cute at all and doesn't even style herself properly but she made a viral song so here we are!
Oh also people forget Ice's audience was WOMEN. If only straight guys were watching her than okay, but let's be honest if they're in that mindset they're gonna look at pr00n not a rapper.
@@stickynotes2040 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️ because no one asked for her 🤣🤣🤣🤷🏽♀️
I never thought we’d come to a time in music where being a one-hit wonder is more praiseworthy than a “trend”😭 that’s how you know the talent is SCARCE!
The talent isn't really scarce. The black moguls are not putting the talented folks on. It's all about a look nowadays. It's so sad and very tired...Smdh!
@latoyaburnett-brown2673 and they’re the same ones complaining musc sucks, and ppl don't dance in clubs anymore
I don't expect half of these new rap girlies to have any type of longevity. They're just trending for the moment. No real impact that going to be felt decades later like the 80s/90s rappers
FACTS!!!!
because rap isn't the top genre anymore kpop took over.
they only make music for social media. at least nicki minaj has influence over opening new doors for this generation of female rap artists to flourish, but i only see doechii, doja, and megan having any staying power. they actually put in the work and expand their network outside of tiktok virality and seem to care about their craft
@@pizzadogma doja and Megan have been here for years
They not new that’s the thing
@TyWerks kpop is not a top genre. Stop it
Outside certain online communities, k pop hasnt become mainstream in the west.
I was hoping Doechii would come up in the conversation. She is a true artist with talent, vision and work ethic.
Psychic attack pokemon🤣
That literally, LITERALLY had me laughing so hard!! 😭
That sent me too 😂😂😂
That clip w kai made me think of iggy 😂😂😂
Loving these conversations that people are having around colorism with this topic. It's true .. s lot of yt / light skin women position themselves next to dark skin/brown skin as a "ego boost". I'm glad that people calling it out and calling out how we have to do better for the people we push into power .
Every time u clock colorism ,I say yum yum yum cause u ate king
Yup he always clocks COLORISM
You have to talk featurism too since you added Glo to this video. She’s lightskin too. But has very traditional black features and isn’t curvy.
Also, colorism for men is different than women. Traditionally the buck stereotype and sexualizing dark skin black men changes how we perceive light skin men. They are seen as more feminine even in community or soft. So I’m unsure the relation between how you date lightskin men and how they’re perceived in the grand scheme of society and proximity to whiteness.
😩But Doechi is so bomb! And untraditional. She’s a breathe of fresh air, and pushes the envelope.
Great points
I really feel like colourism is just one facet of overall anti blackness
We think light skin is preferred, when really the ultimate goal is to be as far away from looking black as possible and I firmly believe that’s why Chloe Bailey hasn’t succeeded as much as she should have-her features are too black for the mainstream, despite her light skin. Also texturism is a thing. So when we think it’s about skin colour, it’s far deeper than that. The issue is looking black
@@alkahinat4558 I will say I think another factor is how viral someone markets themselves. Ice Spice actually has a lot of traditionally "black" features she's just veryyy light. And you say you need to be as far away from looking black as possible, but Ice's body and hair were part of her "selling points".🤢
Chloe hasn't succeeded as MUCH because despite being an incredibly beautiful women(let's face it, more than Ice), having one of the best voices in the industry EVER, and having Beyonce backing her -- she just hasn't gone viral on TikTok. Ice made silly digestable songs that were palatable to a large audience, someone like Chloe will never have that cause ironically she's too good. You don't have to be good or talented or even the best looking to be famous, it about connections, marketing and luck.
@@stickynotes2040 absolutely, I should have elaborated-the goal is to not look black ideally in terms of a popular look, but traditionally black features on mixed or non black people? Eaten up. Because you’re right, Ice Bigheaded Spice does have traditionally black features, she looks Igbo Nigerian. Not fully, but you can see the ancestry. As for my baby Chlo. You’re right on that too, the only thing she went viral for was her buss it challenge…which is probably why she thought going super sexual would help her career. Chloe looks very African to me, she would be so embraced over there because she’s so talented and beautiful. It’s really a shame 😩
I tried to listening to Y2K on a work trip and it gave my co-worker & I anxiety & headaches, no joke… true story. The music is 🗑️
I don’t think Megan was talking bout ice spice in BOA but it fits cold paprika so well “ bitch yo time up why is u not clocking out doing shit for TikTok” and “anit listen when your shit drop”
Maybe jt??
@@alicia2931 they're beefing ? Im genuinely curious ? jt seems to be grinding though.
The line can apply to so many its a shame
@@Nottiythey not beefing so no it’s not about jt
Nicki 😂
Never understood why shes so famous without having not 1 hit song. And the Rihanna shade is real.
The co-signs put her on a diff level. Taylor, Drake, and most importantly in her case, Nicki Minaj
I didn't know her original curls were a wig. Today i learned i suppose.
Me either. Thought it was a rinse and a roller set.
Her hair was not originally a wig. He wasn't correct about that. You can tell she occasionally wears a wig that looks like her hair when she probably doesn't want to/have time to do her hair.
@@pinkapplepotato oh OK. Cause I commented that I felt a way about her having her natural curls at first, then starting to wear the 'Nikki Minaj wigs' just before he said that.
I don't know 1 memorable Ice Spice beat nor rap but if someone sings two notes from Victoria Monet, I'm humming & singing her whole music catalog all day. It's a matter of, twerking vs true talent.
And, yes, that's another part of why music is such a mess, these days. Songs are like 2 minutes long and are build for tiktok, for quick consumption, for having a "dance" with it, and then it's forgotten. That's why Taylor out here releasing 20 versions of one song or album or whatever she's doing. Social media has messed up music. If it's not trending, it's not popular. And artists are steadily chasing those trending statuses rather than making real good music. And older artists or just artists who care more about their music have a hard time staying "on" because they are making music, not tiktok songs. And their younger fans are "concerned" for them because "you're not trending, so you're flopping", but the record sales are good, concerts are being sold out... as someone who really loves music, it's kind of sad to witness.
Seriously. You know something's wrong when Taylor Swift is the most popular musician on all time. She's good but not great, but she's so popular because she knows how to market herself. No artistic value anymore. The music of the 90's was SO much better because they just push looks they pushed TALENT.
Couldn’t have happened to a better person
6:25 twerking is her ctrl+alt+del move 😂😂😂
You just taught me something new, never knew the hair was a wig. I tuned allllll the way out immediately when she first came on scene
Come on 200k subscribers!! 🎉
I’ve never seen “attractive” in Ice Spice. Too many people still think light skin automatically equates to pretty, and it’s just not true!!! She’s proof of that!!! 😂
What happened to her faaaaacccccceee!! 👱🏻♀️👽🫠 Ozempface 😮
When Isis Spices first came out, I understood the appeal. She was chill, monotone, just a baddie wit ha baddie friends. I saw her when she was on tour with Doja Cat and I thought she did good. She didn’t rap with a backing track and great breath control so you could hear every single word clearly. I felt bad bc it seemed like she only got loud cheers when she bent over.
I think the music that has been coming out the past few years have been microtrends. For example with fashion, white tees are a staple but the cut and fit can be a trend like a tall t-shirt vs cropped. Then there’s the micro trend. A tall tee with the snowman or a cropped tee with music lyrics on it. The music trend is Jersey mix, NY drill, Detroit type beats but the micro trend is mumble rap and in Ice Spice’s case, rapping like a run on sentence and a stale flow. She should’ve made her Like EP and album and took a couple years to progress.
100 percent agree she was a phase
What "feeling" did people get from Ice Water? She was boring AF and gave me the feeling of benadryl everytime I heard her songs. If I wanted to listen to monotone rap, I would just listen to 21 Savage who is much more skilled and interesting in spite of his tone of voice and delivery. I have to wonder if Ice Spice is just a product of the NYC media/sphere machine trying to return NYC hip hop to higher relevance again. She was apparently just a conventionally attractive vehicle through which to push that agenda. I will say that not all rappers are going to be good or even remotely capable freestylers (Lil' baby clearly didn't know how to rap when he came out and could only do the most simplistic freestyle, but at least he was capable of trying. However he obviously worked and then became quite amazing at freestyling within a 2 year period! So clearly if you care, you can become better, or even good at it), but it was always obvious that she didn't even have vague creative talent just based on her delivery in her "music" if that is what you wanna call it.
I was very indifferent when she came out. I thought Munch was cute, but that was it. But once old tweets surfaced and her performances never became better then “meh” I kinda counted her out. No hate, just not my vibe. With these latest accusations, however, I’m just seeing her for who she is: a young woman that still needs to mature. Hopefully she can redirect to influcing or something
6:45 “Oh girl y’all trying to get me to do something that I am claiming to be? Oh girl, no ma’am. Y’all finna see this…this butt.” 😭😭😭😭😂😂😂🤣😂🤣🤣 this is too fucking funny cuz why didn’t we get aaaaaany bars there? 😭😭😭 like, not ONE?
The beat was simple af too and she still couldn’t deliver 😭
She was 100% cosplaying… how to you have a Y2K tour when you were born that year…. I’m not sure why people think they participated in a paradigm/culture when you were 5 and under……. I think that’s why she isn’t interesting because it’s not real…… I was born in 93 and can only say so much about growing up in th 90s (I relate with most of it) but being born in 2000 and acting like you recall or relate to anything prior to 2008 is words behavior. I think she just used to have tumblr and found some funky 90s queen and just stole that style and did the fro because it was different… she didn’t have hair like that at all prior
People got so mad at me when I said colorism is a huge factor to her success. I have never been impressed by her period. I just figured i got too old to enjoy her at that point. Lmao she was the last time the Drake stimulus package worked.
Lmfaoooo, the title of your album being on a trash can is truly prophetic 😭😭😭
It's not beauty, I call it shiny or pretty adjacent, it's what we're told or have been programmed to believe is attractive or desirable...all the elements are there, but somehow it not really it.
Now dojacat is a talented biracial artist with massive stage presence in comparison to other new artists these days
When Amara Lanegra came out she was told that she should get rid of the afro. Soooo yeah! Spicy Ice is allowed to wear an afro and she does absolutely nothing
The girl made a song that said she was the Fart for her hook. I knew America was truly disturbed after they didn’t cancel her for that.
LMFAOOOO “we dont got no problem with the booty shaking. SHAKE SOME MORE”
Justin, the way you had me weak during this video is too much.
Something in me feels like even not being dark skin myself, but having a dark skin mother, gramma, & titis also engenders a kind of empathy that folks without darker women who they deeply love in their lives tend to lack. They don't see themselves in those women the way some of us do & it shows. I love hearing the way you unabashedly defend & center darker girls cuz most ppl have lost the plot.
Back in the day entertainers where professionally trained to sing, dance and act not be basic street performers. Ridiculous! People can get that a clubs!
Nobody -- 5:00 Remember Amara La Negra had her afro esthetic when she first came on LHH, then the producer (I forgot his name) told her that she has the body but not the “hair look”…he wanted less Chaka Khan and more Beyoncé. She felt offended at first but as she continued on the show (on and off) we saw her with bobs, long straight hair, etc. rarely see the fro
She was beautiful too!!!
Love your videos and the way you reflect on topics. Have a good day/night.
Congratulations on reaching 200,000 followers 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Lmaoo 17:48 i know you talking about Rihanna 😂😂😂😂
Another one who didn’t deserve her career at all
@@prhippie9878really? I think Rihanna is great
My name is Desire & when you said Desire has a lot to do with her career I’m just like “I didn’t have anything to do with that😭” lol love you so much king ☺️
Kelly Rowland has the best voice but Beyonce got promoted heavily; it because Kelly is dark skin and Beyonce is light skin ; the music industry is colorist !
Kelly actually went solo first and did well.
I think Beyoncé just wanted more.
Same with Kim Kardashian.
Both of these women have done many things that have done well and failed and they have kept going.
I do feel it definitely was harder for Kelly yes due to her aesthetic but, Kelly just wasn’t having it. Beyoncé tolerated a lot of Bs that I think Kelly wasn’t about to deal with.
Some people literally make it cause they will do anything.
Thank youuuuu......And they been that way since their birth. Hollywood and the Music industry......Take Black movies in the early 1900 their leading ladies were always Light skin. But Black directors of those day. Was very versatile in their character. Also in the 1920 you had two heavy hitters in the music Game. Bessie Smith and Ma Rainey. The Industry did everything to downplay these women. By creating a light skin artist that would top their success
While this may be true, remember, Kelly went solo first and got the Grammy before beyonce! This was during the time when darker-skinned women were the face of R&B so I wouldn’t put so much of it as colorism. Beyoncé’s daddy also had a hand in making sure *his daughter* excelled.
Beyoncé didn’t deal with as much as Kelly, hell Kelly and the other band members were put on the back burner FOR Beyoncé to shine. Beyoncé was shrewd to them as well, her family got to travel with them while the other girls didn’t have that kind of support. Beyoncé got a jaguar while the other girls did not. Don’t believe the hype, the group was snubbed in so many ways and yes I feel Kelly being an original member it was because she was dark
@@prim.an.propher1505Kelly was not given as much opportunity because of colorism, absolutely, putting that on Beyoncé will always rub me the wrong way though. She has been extremely vocal in her support of Kelly and Michelle amplifying their projects often. Having her take responsibility for the choices of grown people when she was a teenager is unfair.
I was never a fan of Ice. I was like I know I’m 36 but this ain’t it and I listen to rap music. I’m happy people are waking up
Please push Doechii new mixtape
Now, she's talented.
Love the content, spot on!
Wooooo the boogie man is out 😂😂😂😂
12:01 I always thought she looked related to KING , Ti’s son
Music these days are like appetizers…wheres the entrée’s ???
The music industry seems to be dying. Female rappers are pushed out based on a certain look not their actual talent. I would love it if we could focus more on female rappers with talent like Rapsody, Lil Sims, Tierra Wack ect...
The gag is Cleptrapa is way more talented than Ice Spice
And prettier and original. Scary spice is soft she wanna copy her race? Who does that 😂😂😂
Facts I just listened to her music cause I'm just a curious person and I can see why Ice Spice was in her feelings Cleotrapa is everything she isn't a full package!💯
Doechii is the SH*T! Real TALENT 🔥
STOP PLAYING IN OUR FACES
6:35 PUAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA! YOOOO IM DED 😂☠️ I can see that being a campaign slogan
Hilarious.. I’m crying laughing and ppl looking at me crazy and I don’t care 😂😂😂
I love how saweetie is criticized but she actually tried to improve and noticed that colorism helped her but the fact that she has never publicly dragged another black woman is insane is that why she lost a following she ain’t never shitted on another woman I period and her growth stunted because of that she 10 times better than I’ve
Yet she’s dating a known colorist
Everyone is definitely shaking their butts and the world most certainly is NOT a better place. I’m so tired of these talentless acts ruining and devaluing the hip hop culture. Hardly any thought provoking lyrics and atp the butt is the brain
I’m not sure if you use outlines for your videos but you probably should. It seems like you’re coming from off the dome, which is cool and candid. I enjoy your content but your videos would flow better with an outline or script, so you can hit all of your points.
I didn’t expect a 2nd video on this topic. And to support the good point you’re making she said herself the industry people are always telling her *“at least she’s pretty”*
All of the people that know and work with her personally know that she’s devoid of talent, intellect and personality *but at least she’s pretty*
6:37 also she’s not even that good at that. They go harder in ATL, New Orleans and Miami