3D Printed Planetary Cycloidal Hub Gearbox. How far can it drive?
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- Опубліковано 29 лис 2022
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Thanks for watching! I think this gearbox is pretty cool and would like to keep testing it in the future. Let me know if you have any ideas on new testing methods or anything else you would like to see.
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Michael, would this be good for turning a possibly heavy solar panel 360 deg? I'm trying to build a solar array and need precise measurements, and it will of course be in the sun for 30 years.
not hating but did they pay u?
@@reizinhodojogo3956 Nord is probably giving him some comp but it's understandable as it's hard to work for free.
Nice gearbox Micheal. To test the gearbox further just let it drag some weight while doint it's rounds.
You could just print a second tire and use them to hold up a platform that you can then place weights on. You can then use both gearboxes that you have printed in order to determine wear and condition changes over the same period while applying load to the gear boxes. This will allow an expansion of your testing because you can slowly expand this out into a small automobile with actual wheels for road testing
Best 3D printed reduction I've seen so far on UA-cam! It looks like there's almost no backlash!!! Nice work
4:10 - not exactly backlash, but alignment of spur gear seems to be important to ensure even loads. And with this, biggest amount of backlash. Is it back driveable? 🤔
Anyway - cool project, super nice of him to release files 👍😎
@@TheStuartstardust That was before the 2nd cycloidal drive was installed
@@TheStuartstardust
Hate to be that guy but your tyre is on backwards. Currently the treads are pushing the muck and water in to the middle when it should be pushing it out to the side.
Thank you for being that guy.
I came to comment this. It made me OCD go crazy.
Yeah lol it was bugging me also
Wouldn’t you have less grip and less movement/power efficiency ?
You would have more grip. I don't know about efficiency as there would be more friction. also there would be a deeper trench as all the loose mud would be pushed to the side.@@straba3976
Who knew you could design gear boxes in fusion 360 so quickly?
Awesome video!
Engineer's version of "How to draw an owl"
"Step 1: draw some circles"
"Step 2: draw the rest of the fucking owl"
@@BloodyMobile if they write a patent like that then its free realestate.
I thought i was quick at designing in fusion 360. this guy is legendary.
There are a couple of good gear building extensions for fusion 360. Idk if he used those but they are worth checking out
@@badbabyboyo9593 FreeCAD also has some, including some specialized for cycloidals.
Nice video man!
Just a couple of things:
1. I'm pretty sure that tire tread should be run on the opposite direction(CCW instead of CW),
2. Ideally for 3D printed parts you want heat set inserts that look like herringbone gears instead of the flat ones you used, this makes so they don't slip out later. CNC Kitchen has a great video on this topic.
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed the tire was being run backwards! It was driving me nuts
@@evanbarnes9984 i saw that too but thought "no, he made the thing, he knows best." Glad to see im not crazy.
Ok, I wasn't seeing things weird again. that's a relief.
Also I've printed tires with TPU and they turn out amazing, something to think about.
Came here to bitch about the inserts. These are for injection modling, you want the "knurled" type.
Having said that... GREAT introduction of yet another cool gearbox for makers!
I watched your fusion 360 tutorial at 0:40 , I know nothing about cad, and now I'm working for an engineering firm making literal boat loads of money. Thanks Michael!
Please do dynamic load testing!
Make a Ø100 mm drum instead of that wheel, and attach a string with some weights. Then you can have a program making it spool in and out repedetly. Would be really intersting to see how it holds up. Great vid btw!
Will be doing something similar to this soon. Stay tuned!
test carried weight and towed weight.
@@michaelrechtin Or maybe just a wide rake for inside the circle
YES I was just going to comment thid
@@michaelrechtin I'd also love to see the wear on the gearbox as a result of heavy radial load! maybe suspending the gearbox horizontally with a drum with weights in it or somethjng similar. as the drum rotates, the motor should always experience approx full overhung load. part of me wonders how much the rigidity of this gearbox (each shaft looks to be pretty sturdy) will negate the danger of a radial load or what
Wow! Great job on this gearbox video! I LOVE your combo of great info, design, video, and humor! PLEASE keep making awesome videos like this!!!
Great video! As a farmer I noticed the tire/rim was mounted the wrong way. Tread design is for reverse direction. Productive video. 2 thumbs up.
I would love to see the same test under some load ! But man this is a really good starting point !!! I think having slow moving parts keeps them cold, especially pla/pla+ that melts at low temperature and thus limits wear. Plastics can last very long but as soon as the become hot they disintegrate really fast
I've heard tell that 3D printed plastic will melt.
This is awesome! Thanks so much for bringing a vast improvement to cycloidal reducers to everyone's attention!!!
Such a cool video! You can tell by the way it is. 😂
Love your style and sense of humor. Your engineering skills are insane. Loved the build. Would love to see this gearbox being put to a more strenuous (perhaps more practical?) use. Maybe a ham radio antenna rotator, or a winch, or a dual axis solar tracker for a solar panel array?
This is the first video I’ve seen of yours and subscribed immediately upon finishing it. Can’t wait to see more content.
Fantastic setup and im sure very rewarding results. Nice work
Wow awesome project! And thanks for sharing the files.
Great video man!!! Excited about future improvements... Some of my personal suggestions are to make it a bit more dirt proof as there was gunk that got inside the gear box.
And second would be to try to add a shifter so that you can shift it between high torque and high speed settings. While hoping it could be achieved within the same form factor
these kinds of videos are my favorite. I love the experimentation. would love to see more. cheers
Your videos are great. Good camera work. Good editing and comentary. Good content. I'm enjoying it. Thanks
This is awesome, great work. Looking forward to how it performs with some heavier loads.
Sweet, cool to see how well everything held up. Those RV reducers are what are used in pretty much all large industrial robots. I suspect you could get crazy amounts of torque out of it before it breaks.
That circle extrusion into a gearbox was priceless - it helped me to understand why my clients are always confused about how long it takes to model something.
Very cool project. I want to make one of these for my motor. Thank you for sharing this build. Nice work!
Nice gear - couple of additional tests / improvement:
1. Add weight to the wheel.
2. Check where the dirt is entering: motor side.
3. Make it near waterproof on external: you can add a a plate to the external side and make it sealed, with an o-ring.
Best Fusion360 tutorial I've ever seen!
I'm re-watching this 4 the 2nd time after watching ur previous vids, & WOW what progression! I hope ur next test is connecting this design to that huge DC motor that u used in ur last for a torque test!
Thank you for the video! A really nice gearbox.
Very good work and video!
Noisch! Cheers!
Nice work, really nicely presented to. Impresssive
What are your thoughts on this a force feed back steering wheel gear box? how much slop is there when changing directions and how much force the 3D printed teeth could take
That was captivating - so good!! Thanks for sharing :)
Awesome build. Didnt think there were any gearbox topologies I wasnt aware of yet, but seeing a new one definitely earns a subscribe.
I suppose one drawback compared to a central cam is that the bearing loads are less self balancing; if you want some low backlash and low preload you need to work those cam bearings with a static radial load.
Perhaps a nice way to reduce the bearing requirements would be to put the herringbone sandwiched between the offset cams (or one-tooth gears). Then if you give both sides of the ring a bit of a taper, you can preload the whole system by adjusting the clamping force on both halves of the ring; and it should also be self-energizing; you can run it at a low zero-load preload setting for efficient low torque zero backlash operation, but the radial forces should increase in lockstep with the torque demand. All without bother any bearings with those radial forces!
I guess thats another way of saying this is basically just a wolfram topology, but with a single-tooth planet gear on the output. But practically speaking its a configuration that comes together quite elegantly.
i want more resource tests like this
Add a trailing mass via a 3d printed buggy and some weights, step up the speed a smidge (preferably to a usable real world use speed), add stages for more reduction and lets find the maximum torque output before internal stress becomes visable!
Great box, cant wait for the next one!
As always, great job! . ... And greetings, from Southeast Ohio. 👍
Those heat set inserts are awesome!
This is awesome, thank you for sharing!
Looove your fusion design tips.
Neat, and I like the semi-subtle humor. I'd love to see a follow up where you test its torque as well.
Just for your information, the tread design on that tire is suppose to be the reverse of how you have it rotating. Where the two lugs overlap in the center should be pointed in the direction of rotation. Sort of like an arrow that points where you are suppose to go.
While not important for what you were doing with it, if it was on a vehicle pulling a load and the wheels started to slip for any reason, it would allow the soil to be pushed off to the side rather than generate enough pressure to damage or break the lugs off.
If you want less rolling resistance, you are right. But with the direction he chose, you get more traction.
@@Schradermusic
Actually, it has been proven to be just the opposite.
If you are traveling, it does not matter what direction they are pointed, your rolling resistance will be the same.
But go out to a farm and look at the tires on the equipment or to a construction site with rubber tired equipment and all of the equipment designed to pull implements that require maximum traction will always have the chevrons on the rubber tires with the point in the direction of travel when pulling a plow or a ripper through the soil and they need the greatest traction.
love your humor man, it gets me every time 🤣
I made a spinning plant platform in my back yard this last year and spun a special plant at 30 RPM for 7 months which was approximately 9 Million rotations. My platform was driven by an old 14.4 volt DeWalt drill hooked to a variable 0-48v power supply set at about 4 volts: direct driving a "Lazy Suzan" type platform with metal bearings, a scooter wheel with a solid shaft bolted in and chucked into the drill was my drive wheel that transferred power. It was a fun project and I was reminded of this by your video. Perhaps you could make spinning plant platforms, it's a fun experiment that is endlessly customizable and it turned out to have fantastic results and increased growth as well as pest resistance, and cold resistance when the time came.
Great gearbox and video. We want to see how it holds in other tests.
Very cool project. It will be interesting to see how teh FDM parts perform under load.
If you do load testing with that tire it needs to rotate in the other direction. The V groove will be less inclined to fill with mud.
for a rather small channel you make amazing content
Awesome prohect man. One the threads inserts I believe its been proven that printing the threads is still superior to the inserts. Would be interesting if You added some weight out on the wheel in like 500g increments to see how far it would go.
cool video, someone told my about this. I am interested to see where you go with it in the future. Until then, I will watch some of your other videos
This is amazing, love the presentation style and design. I reckon the gear ratio for the cycloidal part (at least the one you uploaded) is 1:21, not 1:20. (Specifically, the planet gear turns 21 times for 1 rotation of the output housing.
Great design, I am absolutely stealing (with credit, ofc)
good job !
Absolutely worth watching without skipping. Looking forward to more of the same. Subbed here!
Some combination testing where you can independently test torque, heat and fatigue would be interesting. 3D printed parts tend to fall apart fast under those conditions, but with independent and combination tests the best materials could be determined for each part of the gearbox.
DRILL/Impact gearbox!!!! Impacts and drills have some crazy reductions that get abused- so many good tool channels out there, a few that take them apart. Your design looks like it was made for it. The possibility of turning a larger outer "ring" for the drive instead of being limited by the shaft that has to spin inside is a HUGE deal. Especially for an impact where the rotating mass and it's moment of inertia is what results in crazy power. In the case of small drives like ratchets/electric wrenches, it could be used to move the ratchet mechanism away from the head itself. (Would still need to solve turning the drive axis 90deg)
And finally -- offroad trucks/equipment especially. I'm curious how it handles changes in direction/ acceleration/load because the control involved in that reduction would be amazing.
Additionally- if it can handle high input speeds, a CVT as a first stage might make for an incredible heavy equipment/semi gearbox
you can speed up the tests by increasing the axial load, for example, by constructing a brake stand, placing the ring in a housing containing a very viscous material with adhesion to the tire surface, for example, in a rubber cover attached to the body of the test stand and creating maximum friction due to interlayer shifts, after testing, recalculating the round under normal conditions through coefficient of friction
Dude great job!!!!
I have never heard anyone else even reference neature walk before thank you for reminding me of it's existence
great job, great channel, keep it up !
Elegant gearbox, and already lasting about as long as some of the irrigation pivot gearboxes I've seen.
Pretty neat. For testing you could add a weight sled with a load cell to the boom of the testing rig. That would give you easily logged loads to create your data set.
Great work ! Maybe mount the motor and gear in a robot arm and perform heavy duty testing, like picking up some weights continuously.
Simply fantastic
Ahh yes the fusion 360 cyclodal extrusion tool. Nice work instantly subscribed!
Great design! Would love to see it load tested to failure.
One application for this kind of reduction could be archimedes screws for grain elevator type lift or water pump (using pool hose wrapped in a coil up a tilted column) if you want a system that doesn't need check valves and has intermittent power input. Would be useful for a solar powered gravity fed gray water processing system for an off grid home. Slow, but low power draw!
0:50 almost killed me! that's exactly how it feels explaining this stuff.
Just load it, weight the bar to like 15 - 25lbs at the wheel; and add obstacles to climb like irregular shaped fist sized rocks (or bigger if the tire won't slip) or just 3-6" or so ramps then a abrupt drop, rough terrain, etc.
That should give you a better "real world" stress test.
Nice video and build!
Cheers,
Patri0t
hahaha! Looove the face, because is just fkn cold to go out haha! But science first so, kudos for your sacrifice! And thank you for uploading the files! Send you cyber hugs!
Awesome content !
Would be really nice to get links to the hardware that you are using like the bolts that you use heat to get in to the print :)
Fellow inventor looking for nice solutions.
Great work, thank you!
Very cool. That calculus looked crazy.
Ohio weather been crazy this winter. mid 50's in early January. great video. subscribed.
Great video! I am so impressed that I went ahead and subscribed to your channel. I do have one question. Why didn’t you design an enclosure for the motor. Could possible thermal problems created by an enclosure be the reason why you left the motor exposed to the elements?
Really nice. Keep up the good work
I really love this failure analysis kinda thing. Maybe you could add some load to the test set up, or maybe make a gear box without ball bearings?
Nice job I've just printed it to build a robot lawnmower but there is a small difference on the parts called Cycloidal_Disk.
The number2 external dimension is 0.2mm larger than the number 1 which is sufficient to prevent this part to roll inside the part called Wheel_rim.
Everything is good. Check your alignment.
Awesome gearbox. Paul gold will probably be making one tomorrow. I don't understand why these designs are not more popular. I would just mention that the planetary gears don't really get as much stress as the cyclodial gears. That's why it's a good idea to cut them like you did. I also never really liked how the pins are pushed on a typical cyclodial. CONGRATS.
Btw. Everybody wants to know the efficiency.
Working on a test setup that should be able to measure dynamic torque and efficiency for any gearbox. Stay tuned!
Awesome content man
Hey mate, awesome video I love the content. Just something you may have seen, that build up of snow and mud in the tyre is because that tyre tread can only go in one direction and in the video it's going backwards. All good keep it coming. 🎉
Very very cool. Did you test the backlash pre and post test?
Hey Mate, great video! What laser cutter are you using? Cheers
I definitively want to see more testing, preferably much strenuous tests.
Above all your efforts I only want to mention that you put the tire on backwards.. good video
We have RV gears in many of the drives in the robots that we sell and use. Many robot manufactures, regardless of the brand, has RV gears as well as harmonic. Just from the nature of how they are built. RV gears are much stronger than a harmonic Drive, as I have seen them fail with the flex spline giving out and actually getting torqued and twisted when they crash the robot. Very cool gear boxes.
Great Video! Great work! I think this will be my first 3D printed gear box. One question. This should work for any motor with an 8mm (D) shaft, correct? I looked up that the Nema 23 also has an 8mm diameter shaft. I hope the internet is correct there.
Regarding stress testing: Tredmill w/incline & weights. I'd suspect this design would be great for a companion robot that could hold massive weight loads. Other application could be self solidifying/locking structures that move - reminds me of a practical version of that wind powered beach art that's called a Strandbeest. Neat design regardless!
Awesome man!
Never Heard of these, might look into them!
You got me by using the neature video clip. Instant subscribe.
Love your videos bro❤
My preferred alternative to those heat inserts are simply...M4 nuts. Print a hexagonal hole, pull the nut in using a screw, and with the right tolerances you've got a very tightly fitting, compact thread using parts you can get anywhere. For extra strength you can also get square nuts.
Brilliant idea, Michael, if you got it from yourself. You should know that this concept was introduced some years ago by Nabtesco (Japan) and today is the standard drive wheel reducer for Komatsu excavators.
Nice work. Yeah, I'd love to see this hooked up to a BLDC. You can use SimpleFOC to drive the BLDC. I'd like to see some load tests on it too. I also keep wondering if you get faster/slower fits and starts as it moves along those cams? It seems like I see a bit of fits and starts in the video rather than truly smooth rotation. It may not matter for the application, but a robot arm may have issues with that. If it's just used for wheels on a rover then probably fine.
does the wheel turn at a single speed or does it speed up and slow down as the cogs make contact with the output gear? P.S. Thank you for the wonderful work.
would be interesting to test efficiency given that there's so much hardware involved. a good cycloidal drive usually have a ton of bushing and the 3d printed one experience a lot of friction
this one doesn't seem to need a lot of that
also interested of the weight of the whole assembly
you can eliminate the planet gears in this design, by coupling the rotation of each to the next by using a con rod like steam locomotives used on the wheels. in this design, the con rod plate would have three holes arranged in an equilateral triangle, instead of the two or more in a locomotive. This would make it much cheaper to build from iron for industrial use.
Pretty damn cool man. a 6x6 rc rover with these would be super cool.
Someone else mentioned a lack of backlash. I'm curious just how tight is the FDM version? I'm looking for something like this for a (sort of) precision telescope drive.
Your laser looks awesome, have you managed to sort the files for us to download? I have everything in hand just waiting on files so I can make these mounts and brackets , thanks 😀
Looks great, cheers!
The base gearbox on a fanuc robot arm is very similar except it has large needle bearings that the cogs engage with and an outer stationary internal cog that holds the needle bearings
There is yet another way to do cycloidal gears that you might find interesting: ua-cam.com/video/qMDU5tlGUwU/v-deo.html
Best sound ever at 5:55
You could make a sled and pull a cinder block. And scale it up from there. Might want 2 going at the same time. It would be a lot of force on the center pivot. Wait! New idea. Center pivot irrigation put the gearbox in the pivot. That would be scalable in many ways. Still the anchor would have to be sturdier than what you had. I'm sure someone else mentioned it but tractor tires are directional and you were spinning it backwards. Great video and I'm thinking about making one now on my ender 3.