you guys act like the only reason america was powerful in the cold war is because they took some fucking scientists even though they have nay NOTHING to do with the modern world except for the space race ARGUABLY
I like how the M14 is the standard issued rifle of the US in this timeline. The reason why the M14 was never adopted as a standard issue rifle in our timeline was due to the harsh jungle environments of Vietnam. But since the United States isn't in Vietnam in this timeline it makes complete sense for them to adopt the M14 as their standard issue rifle.
M14 is a Bad Ass Battle Rifle. No one wants to hump heavy 308 ammo through the Mud the weight sinks you down. That's a good enough reason for me to go to M16. But in the Video I guess Germany was using 308 in their H&K 91-G3's
The M-14 was the standard issue rifle for the US...IRL. The VC/NVA were using the AK and SKS. All the US had to give the ARVN was either M-1 Garands or M-1 Carbines. Neither of which were a match for the AK. Only alternative the US had was to give the ARVN M-14s. There were two problems with that: One is that the US didn't have that many extra to go around...still trying to arm their own forces with them. Two is the ARVN soldiers couldn't carry those big ass rifles around. Enter the M-16.
@@panderson9561 M16 doesn't compare to the ak. It's lightweight plastic construction lead to over heating real fast or jamming. Compare that to hunks of plywood and steel spitting 7.62mm downrange at you with no jams no overheating. It's clear the M16 is no match or never was a match to the ak rifles
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It's crazy how realistic this is. Virtually all what if Germany had won WW2 scenarios are more or less along the lines of "something, something, Germany takes over the entire world." It would never happen, because Germany didn't have the resources to conquer the entire USSR let alone the entire world, so the best they could hope for was to go on the defensive and make the Allied invasion so costly they would agree to a peace deal rather than unconditional surrender.
only way germany could win with the soviets was to draw the war into stalemate and get a negotiated peace they tried to do that in 1943 after the battle of kursk ended in defeat
I'm a little surprised that the Germans didn't aggressively pursue a space race. Perhaps the trigger for WW3 was a little too soon for them to do so? An alternate scenario where the war is delayed by 10 years would be interesting. Would the Germans make it to the moon by 1969, like the Americans did in the real timeline?
Space race was the reason that cause the collapse of soviet and declining of USA with 10 trillion dollars debts and both were near in bankruptcy in late 80s, which led to the first and second gulf war to ensure the petro-dollars system continue as United States relying on the system for nation’s survival. Hitler wouldn’t be stupid enough to jump in such race with little return. As long as they keep ICBM technology from USA and soviet the race will never happened.
Maybe Germans after putting first sattellite and sending first human to space didn't have resources or will to send mission to moon. Just like the soviets in our timeline.
he has another video where it was about what the cold war would've been like had germany won world war 2, it's mentioned that they were one of the first nations to send a person to space instead of the soviets.
1.I like how you don’t just do the generic German victory. Germany doesn’t magically win for vague reasons. This actually seems like a reasonable timeline. 2.this is exactly what’s wrong with UA-cam. An actually talented UA-camrs making great content being bullied because of garbage UA-cam bots. Keep going, dude!
@@oilybat3269 eh its somewhat not really. Germany and Italy would never stay allies after the war, germany somehow owns iceland, Germany doing better than america in vietnam when they would face the same issues is crazy
I actually appreciate the more realistic take here on what a German victory in WW2 would have looked like. Not the "Germany conquered the world with Robot Zeppelins and Space Lasers" you often see depicted in alternate history timelines on the matter.
This was genuinely interesting. I like how the idea of a three way Cold War, and leaving the Soviets alive is something that not a lot of what if Germany won ww2 scenarios do.
@@saqibshafin IRL they only had that stuff in the 60s because of the Nazi scientists that were working for them. Since Germany won here, they’re behind in rocket technology just like the USA is.
@@saqibshafin Soviets in this timeline lost Ukraine, Belarus and the Baltics, the most industrialized regions. Also they had a small civil war after Stalin's execution, so it's realistic enough.
Very well done. I think this is a more realistic take than "Hitler conquers the world." Interesting that Britain remains, but given the fact it took almost a year for the US to mobilize sufficiently, a good take. I still have to wonder if the Germans would have advanced further with ICBMs, given their best scientists remained, and given the high probability that their production facilities would not have moved underground. I would imagine a significant advancement without the limitations of our timeline. All in all, a very good, well-researched and well thought-out production.
i would say the Nazis in this hypothetical timeline would also have had a moon base or two. Hitler didn't care what things cost as long as he got what he wanted.
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Pretty good but my only gripe is "Germany's nuclear arsenal is depleted after Vietnam". Germany proceeds to nuke every major US city and create a fallout DMZ in the East.
I see it as more of the view that creating more nukes would be difficult to produce but they'd probably have a number saved in reserve for use against its main rivals.
Germany doesn't have as many nukes as the rivals because Hitler was never thrilled about nuclear weapons. Germany in Vietnam: Let's use as many nukes as we can possibly find targets for. Why not? There's some kind of jump in logic here in order to construct the general setting for the nuclear WW3. Logically Germany would have an arsenal closer to that of the USA because it simply couldn't afford not to have. Just like in our reality the USA and the USSR needed to accumulate ridiculous amounts of nuclear weapons simply because the other one couldn't be allowed to have much more for the sake of the balance of terror. If Hitler didn't like nukes, he wouldn't use them so easily, but he would still have them. However, the depth bombing of a German sub and the consequent response by the sub by using a nuclear torpedo to take out of the sub hunter fleet was a good detail in my opinion. It would have been pretty much the only thing the sub captain could do to return fire against such an overpowering enemy.
You do alt-history so much better than your colleagues on the other channels. You are clear and concise. You've chosen great graphics. It's all just easy to follow.
This scenario was way scarier than the United States vs The Soviet Union.(full on nuclear war is terrifying to even think about)(even using nukes tactically is terrifying) BTW, love your work zvallid.
The ironic part is that the same situation happened with the a Soviet sub of the cost of Cuba during the height of the Cold War and the American navy dropped some bombs on the sub and the people in the sub thought that they were under attack and were gonna attack back but one person stopped them, if he didn’t do that it would have caused a ww3 just like in this scenario
@Mirage_Panzer Which shows how terrible propaganda is. His name is Stanislav Petrov and if he were American, he'd be worshipped harder than Lincoln today. He was a great man and he died silently on 19th May 2017. May his soul rest in perfect peace. He's probably a remote factor in why we have functional retail internet today.
It wasn't ironic, it was a deliberate choice. Lots of historical facts, some slightly altered to fit, were used in this fictional scenario, to lend it more weight and realism.
It is always astonishing for me how smallest events, decisions and actions changed the history of the world. Sometimes one single person was enough to influence the fate of the humanity so drastically that you would not recognize the world of today if you could travel through time and dimensions to compare the different outcomes. For example, if someone had ratted out Gavrilo Princip, so that the assasination that plunged europe into the first world war never had happened in this form at that time, the world of today would look different beyond recognition. This event was the catalyzer that led to the rise or downfall of so many powers of this era and without it the rise of the NS,facist and the comunist regimes could not have happened in the form they happened. Simply because a chaotic world filled with millions of from the war brutalized veterans, blooming poverty and widspreaded despair was necessary to open the box of pandora and to push the domino stones over. I thought about that many times over the years and the thing that shocked me the most was that it is not clear for me that despite all the victims, the horrors and the suffering of hundreds of millions in these wars, that the world would be a better place today if that one assasination had gotten somehow prevented. Maybe the europen powers had some more years or even decades to put far more pressure on that powder keg that the world was at this time before it went off. But than with far more advanced mass-destruction weapon systems than they went into the first war with, but still not developed enough to prevent attacks with such weapons. The third reich had put some effort into the research of nuclear technologies and had somewhat of a progress under total war conditions and with ideological and self-harming barriers like expelling jewish or communist scientists before the war. But we will never know i guess.
I used to think that Austria would have attacked Serbia anyway, Russia would have come to Serbia's rescue anyway, Germany would have given carte blanche to Austria anyway, France and the UK would have been dragged into the war anyway, maybe a couple of months later. Now, I'm not so sure anymore. What if Russia's assault on Kyiv had succeeded, Zelensky had been killed in the first days of the war, China had exploited the occasion to attack Taiwan while NATO was busy shifting their air force to Poland and the Baltics? We would live in an even more gruesome world, or possibly not be alive at all.
Read the book 'Hidden History - The secret origins of the First World war' by Gerry Docherty and Jim Macgregor, and have your eyes opened as to what really went on then. Many of your questions and 'what ifs' will be answered.
There is a Theory regarding timelines that says that fixed events cannot be changed, especially large events like a world War. Some figures and their influence cannot be denied, their actions can only be controlled to some degree. WWI and WWII are likely impossible to avoid events in my opinion.
In this timeline, the Nazis would probably have the first person on the moon by 1953, probably & Mars by 1970. We & the soviet union only made it & came "close" because of Nazi rocket scientists scooped up after WW2....
Interesting. Two points. If the U.S. did not have to expend resources in Europe, then the war against Japan would have ended 'sooner', not later than in real history. Also, Poland would not have survived a German victory/truce, Poland would have been wiped from the map completely. In 1941 under Generalplan Ost Nazi Germany decided to destroy the Polish nation "completely", wipe Poland off the map, the German leadership decided that in 15-20 years the Polish state under German occupation was to be fully cleared of any ethnic Poles and settled by German colonists (see: Berghahn, Volker R. (1999). "Germans and Poles 1871-1945"). Otherwise, good video, looking forward to more.
The episodes may have big time gaps between them, but they are great nonetheless. I really like this alternate history, so much quality and world building.
I think that this deserves way more than 74K views, I have never been so interested into an alternative history scenario. Great job as always, can't wait for the next video!
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Just one point I'd like to make. Considering their relative technological advantages over the United States and the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany could have developed a space program capable of producing satellites that could take pictures of the Axis powers as a defense mechanism. While obviously, the resolution of the photographs would not be great, surely they would have been enough to notice changes taking place on the border with the Soviet Union.
Don't be silly. I really dislike this popculture idea of German technology being superior. Truth is that Germany just rushed things into service, while other nations took their time developing. The west had the Gloster Meteor in 1944. The Soviets had their Jets too, sure Yak-15 was made using captured German Engines but it was a dead end. Mig-9 turned to be a better option. As for Rocket science, both sides uses German help but they didnt really need it, especially the soviets. They had scientists like Korolev, who had independently developed improved rocket designs while the the Germans were working on their ones. Russians had people like Konstantin Tsiolkovsky who worked on these things all the way back in the Tsarist Russia. The real limit to technology was material science, like metallurgy. To think that the USSR wouln't have any ICBMs or Submarines is just silly. Also to think that they woulndn't just bomb all the German troops in Vietnam. The realistic thing would be to have a three way space race. Germany wont the war, no need to continue the destruction. But you know, Germany is a Mary Sue in these scenarios.
Why even bother with that when you could just use spy planes. US did deploy spy planes over the soviet union and various other countries in the 50s and 60s.
@@lonewaffle231plus if Germany won the war their economy would still have suffered due to years of war and high casualties and damage to infrastructure
@@lonewaffle231ussr wouldnt have icbms that fast without the germans and its a fact if it wasnt for the germans we would be 50 years behind of technology me-262 is the best fighter jet of ww2 and we are ahead of tank technology today because of how germans invested in main battle tanks if germany kept its scientists sputnik wouldnt launch at all germans would be on the moon and German rocket artillery would be far superior than the soviet ones berlin is and always will be the center of science
@@tannerbanner1660not really Albert speer would easily fix germany and they would recover the population very easily considering the fact that germans would settle in european russia
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The biggest problem with this scenario is that I think it would have eventually led to a war with Germany. It might have been months or years later, but considering American warships had attacked German U-Boats, despite saying they were neutral, and German U-boats had sunk the USS Ruben James in October of 1941, it is not a matter of if but when the US will go to war with Germany. Not to mention, even if Germany doesn't declare war on the US, the US is still gonna provide supplies and material to the UK and the Soviets.
@@jasonbarrie9933 Ford for example was the largest deliverer of light and medium trucks of the Wehrmacht. And not to forget, IBM and it's Hollorith machines, making a effectiv Holocaust administrable.....
I would almost question if the US would still be providing the UK and the Soviets in this scenario. Providing others while you are at peace is one thing, but once you are attacked, are you still going to supply countries that aren't fighting YOUR enemy? I think Congress would have scrapped or heavily cut back the lend-lease to UK and USSR in favor of the war effort against the Japanese.
Extremely well thought out and imaginative alternative history. However Japan declared war on America and Britain at the same time on the 8th of December, so forcing them to be allies and not just friends. Hitler and Mussolini also declared war on the USA on the 8th of December. It's interesting to note that although the USA declared war on Japan on the 8th it was not until the 11th of December that the United States declared war on Germany and Italy despite Germany and Italy having declared war on the United States on the 8th. One can see the problem. German and Italian immigrants and their direct descendants made up a sizable proportion of the American population. Quite a few American soldiers who fought for the USA in WW2 spoke German or Italian as their first language.
@@whitezombie10 Depends tho theres a lot of puppet states that were made with the regional generals acting like warlords essentialy, still a very cool idea
Not bad at all and I enjoyed it a lot. But if Germany was so far ahead in technology and had nuclear war heads that early on, they would have pressured the others to diminish their nuclear arsenals. They would also have placed nukes in South America and Asia. It is also unlikely that a war in Vietnam would have depleted their nuclear arsenal, if they only dropped 10 bombs. They wouldn't have sent all the military might in such a small conflict either. Who knows, the UK might have become friendly with the Germans after Churchill or even the USA to fight communism together. Many peole said that the allies should have worked with the Germans against the Soviet Union.
Depends on the extent to what Germany goes to, ethically speaking in post-war Europe. This would define the American attitude towards germany. Because mind you, a lot of Americans were german origin and supporters of Germany at the start of the war in our timeline too. So you are correct in that regard. Also, I also believe that investing so much resources so far away from the 'Aryan homeland' just doesn't sit right with the german philosophy.
I wonder why is said, that Hitler disliked nuclear weapons. Once seeing effect i believe that he would very quickly changed his mind. He hated poisonous gas (he was hit by chemical strike during WW1) a never used sarin, tabun and another chemical weapons on battlefields of WW2. (Even it would be very beneficial for him specially in the Eastern front.)
It is widely believed that while being strategically pragmatic, he regarded nuclear physics as "Jewish physics." His words according to sources such as Albert Speer, not mine.
@@eddieschwab864 Fair point. But still... i think that power of nuclear weapons and fact that USSR and USA have them too would led this megalomaniac to change his mind about nukes. But as i said - fair point.
It's relatively known the soviets were amassing troops along the newly created border well after they invaded poland without france or uk declaring war on them despite their defence treaty. If you really thought the preemptive strike by germany & co was just a random retarded decision without any reason at all then I've some bad news for you..
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16:29 Wrong. Kennedy wanted us OUT of Viet Nam, and he never would have jumped to an immediate retaliation against the Germans.. Recall his handling of the Cuban missile crisis, also the fact that it is now known that he had a diplomatic "back channel" to the Soviets. Kennedy would never have jumped head-first into a full-blown nuclear war. Someone here clearly did not do their homework.Tsk tsk tsk.
pretty much a mish-mash of real events combined with a very basic and sometimes not well-thought alternative alternative timeline. All considered, keep up the work, needs a lot of it before it becomes the new man inthe high tower. Drop all the nitty gritty weapons systems descriptions unless they are relevant. Thanks for the video !
They should make a 3 hour epic WW3 movie with a limited nuke strike and showing different theatres. It would be wicked if the right director and enough money was chucked at it. What man wouldn’t go to watch that? The scene in Red Dawn when they walk outside and look up made me think of it. I wonder why it has never been done.
Amazing effort and an interesting story and outcome keep you watching. Its difficult to imagine what would happen if these decisions were made and you turned the idea into a fantastic video but i guess nobody will ever find out. It was also a good thing to explain a different backstory than just the axis winning and also the situation in between the wars. I would also love to see how a war without nuclear weapons would escalate.
wow first time seeing ur video but this was amazing. The storyline, narration, originality and great visuals for every scene. You got it all. Brb gona watch most of your other videos
"America is less powerful in This timeline" probably because Germany kept their scientists lmao
Exactly that’s why. The video even said that
🙄 another han troll
@@infidel202what the fuck is a Han troll
Haha good one
you guys act like the only reason america was powerful in the cold war is because they took some fucking scientists even though they have nay NOTHING to do with the modern world except for the space race ARGUABLY
I like how the M14 is the standard issued rifle of the US in this timeline. The reason why the M14 was never adopted as a standard issue rifle in our timeline was due to the harsh jungle environments of Vietnam. But since the United States isn't in Vietnam in this timeline it makes complete sense for them to adopt the M14 as their standard issue rifle.
M14 is a Bad Ass Battle Rifle.
No one wants to hump heavy 308 ammo through the Mud the weight sinks you down.
That's a good enough reason for me to go to M16.
But in the Video I guess Germany was using 308 in their H&K 91-G3's
It was actually because the Vietcong were being supplied with more capable AK-47s
Boys choose the AR 15 platform
Men choose the Kalashnikov platform
The M-14 was the standard issue rifle for the US...IRL. The VC/NVA were using the AK and SKS. All the US had to give the ARVN was either M-1 Garands or M-1 Carbines. Neither of which were a match for the AK. Only alternative the US had was to give the ARVN M-14s. There were two problems with that: One is that the US didn't have that many extra to go around...still trying to arm their own forces with them. Two is the ARVN soldiers couldn't carry those big ass rifles around. Enter the M-16.
@@panderson9561 M16 doesn't compare to the ak. It's lightweight plastic construction lead to over heating real fast or jamming. Compare that to hunks of plywood and steel spitting 7.62mm downrange at you with no jams no overheating. It's clear the M16 is no match or never was a match to the ak rifles
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Pretty sure he will see it, he reads the comments under his videos
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True this channel inspired me to start working on a ww2 animation but I'm probably not going to finish it soon
It's crazy how realistic this is. Virtually all what if Germany had won WW2 scenarios are more or less along the lines of "something, something, Germany takes over the entire world." It would never happen, because Germany didn't have the resources to conquer the entire USSR let alone the entire world, so the best they could hope for was to go on the defensive and make the Allied invasion so costly they would agree to a peace deal rather than unconditional surrender.
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ikr it's more realistic
only way germany could win with the soviets was to draw the war into stalemate and get a negotiated peace they tried to do that in 1943 after the battle of kursk ended in defeat
@@opul6518Soviets had man power and the mountains and harsh terrain
Watch the guy other videos, he details each of the events he talks about in the intro
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@@zvallid this is some of the best alt-history I've seen. I hope you're working on a follow-up to this one.
NAZIS that's yoooooo
@@zvallid you should do a "What if Modern Day USA was teleported to WW2" video! Btw I love your channel and content!
@@justpreaz4297 Yes it could be a good idea
I'm a little surprised that the Germans didn't aggressively pursue a space race. Perhaps the trigger for WW3 was a little too soon for them to do so? An alternate scenario where the war is delayed by 10 years would be interesting. Would the Germans make it to the moon by 1969, like the Americans did in the real timeline?
Maybe they would make it to Mars and send unmanned explorations to Venus.
Space race was the reason that cause the collapse of soviet and declining of USA with 10 trillion dollars debts and both were near in bankruptcy in late 80s, which led to the first and second gulf war to ensure the petro-dollars system continue as United States relying on the system for nation’s survival.
Hitler wouldn’t be stupid enough to jump in such race with little return. As long as they keep ICBM technology from USA and soviet the race will never happened.
Maybe Germans after putting first sattellite and sending first human to space didn't have resources or will to send mission to moon. Just like the soviets in our timeline.
he has another video where it was about what the cold war would've been like had germany won world war 2, it's mentioned that they were one of the first nations to send a person to space instead of the soviets.
duh the germans ARE on the moon, there is that nazi base on other side of moon -.-
“Germany used 10 nukes in China, delegating their arsenal.”
“The USA and the USSR accused Germany of using chemical weapons in Vietnam.”
Bruh…
And bro said Germany was 2 strong nation like wtf America can never compete with Germany nor in 1940s like bro claim usa is strong.
1.I like how you don’t just do the generic German victory. Germany doesn’t magically win for vague reasons. This actually seems like a reasonable timeline.
2.this is exactly what’s wrong with UA-cam. An actually talented UA-camrs making great content being bullied because of garbage UA-cam bots. Keep going, dude!
What did the bots do?
there are a few issues with his timeline
@@ugothmpzed7043 there are a few issues with every alt history timeline. Germany was never going to win but this is as realistic a victory as possible
@@oilybat3269 eh its somewhat not really. Germany and Italy would never stay allies after the war, germany somehow owns iceland, Germany doing better than america in vietnam when they would face the same issues is crazy
@@ugothmpzed7043 it’s still an enjoyable video.
I actually appreciate the more realistic take here on what a German victory in WW2 would have looked like. Not the "Germany conquered the world with Robot Zeppelins and Space Lasers" you often see depicted in alternate history timelines on the matter.
True, but those Wolfenstein games are badass!
I dont think germany cotrolling all of europe and soviet union would be managable for them neither
wait- Ronald Reagan made space lasers and currently there are jewish lasers right now in orbit according to an american congress woman
Not sure about how little Germanisation they did tho, it goes against hitlers entire philosophy
ther world would probably be heaven on earth
This was genuinely interesting. I like how the idea of a three way Cold War, and leaving the Soviets alive is something that not a lot of what if Germany won ww2 scenarios do.
I still don't like the fact that Soviets didn't have enough ICBMs and nuclear powered attack subs...
@@saqibshafin IRL they only had that stuff in the 60s because of the Nazi scientists that were working for them. Since Germany won here, they’re behind in rocket technology just like the USA is.
@@saqibshafin e eu tenho certeza que eles teriam muito mais do que 400 bombardeiros
@@saqibshafin Soviets in this timeline lost Ukraine, Belarus and the Baltics, the most industrialized regions. Also they had a small civil war after Stalin's execution, so it's realistic enough.
@@legalduidriving I see...
Very well done. I think this is a more realistic take than "Hitler conquers the world." Interesting that Britain remains, but given the fact it took almost a year for the US to mobilize sufficiently, a good take. I still have to wonder if the Germans would have advanced further with ICBMs, given their best scientists remained, and given the high probability that their production facilities would not have moved underground. I would imagine a significant advancement without the limitations of our timeline.
All in all, a very good, well-researched and well thought-out production.
i would say the Nazis in this hypothetical timeline would also have had a moon base or two.
Hitler didn't care what things cost as long as he got what he wanted.
@@jaimes350they probably would of had satellite versions of nukes like the thunderbolts of god
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Pretty good but my only gripe is "Germany's nuclear arsenal is depleted after Vietnam".
Germany proceeds to nuke every major US city and create a fallout DMZ in the East.
canada uk and a lot of US cities are spared
I see it as more of the view that creating more nukes would be difficult to produce but they'd probably have a number saved in reserve for use against its main rivals.
They had enough to defend there country from potential Soviet Invasion.
@@zvallid Well atleast they forgot about the KFC state.
Germany doesn't have as many nukes as the rivals because Hitler was never thrilled about nuclear weapons.
Germany in Vietnam: Let's use as many nukes as we can possibly find targets for. Why not?
There's some kind of jump in logic here in order to construct the general setting for the nuclear WW3. Logically Germany would have an arsenal closer to that of the USA because it simply couldn't afford not to have. Just like in our reality the USA and the USSR needed to accumulate ridiculous amounts of nuclear weapons simply because the other one couldn't be allowed to have much more for the sake of the balance of terror. If Hitler didn't like nukes, he wouldn't use them so easily, but he would still have them. However, the depth bombing of a German sub and the consequent response by the sub by using a nuclear torpedo to take out of the sub hunter fleet was a good detail in my opinion. It would have been pretty much the only thing the sub captain could do to return fire against such an overpowering enemy.
You do alt-history so much better than your colleagues on the other channels. You are clear and concise. You've chosen great graphics. It's all just easy to follow.
This scenario was way scarier than the United States vs The Soviet Union.(full on nuclear war is terrifying to even think about)(even using nukes tactically is terrifying) BTW, love your work zvallid.
Well if ww3 happened then world would still fine but humanity is screwed
I hope this doesn’t get demonetized (it probably will) but whatever youtube do to you, i love your work
UA-cam doesn't care but atleast Zvallid did do like alternative history and the entertaining purposes
He should move to Rumble
@@derwillhelm3778 He already had bitchute
yes it's already demonetized
@@AkumuNyaaaa yeah but Rumble is better
The ironic part is that the same situation happened with the a Soviet sub of the cost of Cuba during the height of the Cold War and the American navy dropped some bombs on the sub and the people in the sub thought that they were under attack and were gonna attack back but one person stopped them, if he didn’t do that it would have caused a ww3 just like in this scenario
germans think different than soviets
@@zvallid true
If the US dropped charges on them, then they were under attack, not just thinking so.
@Mirage_Panzer Which shows how terrible propaganda is. His name is Stanislav Petrov and if he were American, he'd be worshipped harder than Lincoln today. He was a great man and he died silently on 19th May 2017. May his soul rest in perfect peace.
He's probably a remote factor in why we have functional retail internet today.
It wasn't ironic, it was a deliberate choice. Lots of historical facts, some slightly altered to fit, were used in this fictional scenario, to lend it more weight and realism.
It is always astonishing for me how smallest events, decisions and actions changed the history of the world. Sometimes one single person was enough to influence the fate of the humanity so drastically that you would not recognize the world of today if you could travel through time and dimensions to compare the different outcomes. For example, if someone had ratted out Gavrilo Princip, so that the assasination that plunged europe into the first world war never had happened in this form at that time, the world of today would look different beyond recognition. This event was the catalyzer that led to the rise or downfall of so many powers of this era and without it the rise of the NS,facist and the comunist regimes could not have happened in the form they happened. Simply because a chaotic world filled with millions of from the war brutalized veterans, blooming poverty and widspreaded despair was necessary to open the box of pandora and to push the domino stones over. I thought about that many times over the years and the thing that shocked me the most was that it is not clear for me that despite all the victims, the horrors and the suffering of hundreds of millions in these wars, that the world would be a better place today if that one assasination had gotten somehow prevented. Maybe the europen powers had some more years or even decades to put far more pressure on that powder keg that the world was at this time before it went off. But than with far more advanced mass-destruction weapon systems than they went into the first war with, but still not developed enough to prevent attacks with such weapons. The third reich had put some effort into the research of nuclear technologies and had somewhat of a progress under total war conditions and with ideological and self-harming barriers like expelling jewish or communist scientists before the war. But we will never know i guess.
I used to think that Austria would have attacked Serbia anyway, Russia would have come to Serbia's rescue anyway, Germany would have given carte blanche to Austria anyway, France and the UK would have been dragged into the war anyway, maybe a couple of months later. Now, I'm not so sure anymore. What if Russia's assault on Kyiv had succeeded, Zelensky had been killed in the first days of the war, China had exploited the occasion to attack Taiwan while NATO was busy shifting their air force to Poland and the Baltics? We would live in an even more gruesome world, or possibly not be alive at all.
Read the book 'Hidden History - The secret origins of the First World war' by Gerry Docherty and Jim Macgregor, and have your eyes opened as to what really went on then. Many of your questions and 'what ifs' will be answered.
There is a Theory regarding timelines that says that fixed events cannot be changed, especially large events like a world War. Some figures and their influence cannot be denied, their actions can only be controlled to some degree. WWI and WWII are likely impossible to avoid events in my opinion.
@@Wolfen443 Please read the book, there's a very good chance you'll change your mind.
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In this timeline, the Nazis would probably have the first person on the moon by 1953, probably & Mars by 1970. We & the soviet union only made it & came "close" because of Nazi rocket scientists scooped up after WW2....
Interesting. Two points. If the U.S. did not have to expend resources in Europe, then the war against Japan would have ended 'sooner', not later than in real history. Also, Poland would not have survived a German victory/truce, Poland would have been wiped from the map completely. In 1941 under Generalplan Ost Nazi Germany decided to destroy the Polish nation "completely", wipe Poland off the map, the German leadership decided that in 15-20 years the Polish state under German occupation was to be fully cleared of any ethnic Poles and settled by German colonists (see: Berghahn, Volker R. (1999). "Germans and Poles 1871-1945"). Otherwise, good video, looking forward to more.
In his other vid japan successfully invade china and annexed it, maybe that's why us capitulate the japan way later than our timeline
Poland would continue to exist as the Generalgovernment
@@cpt.john_price that Japan annexing China is not canon to this series though. That was “what if USA joined axis”
@@abukafiralalmani not really poland
@@varhYT It is Poland. They got Polish media and Polish officers
Great video! The quality of your videos has improved A LOT. Congratulations!
This also lays down a great example of nuclear asymmetries. Great work!!
You've shut me up with how incredibly realistic this video is, great job.
The episodes may have big time gaps between them, but they are great nonetheless. I really like this alternate history, so much quality and world building.
I think that this deserves way more than 74K views, I have never been so interested into an alternative history scenario. Great job as always, can't wait for the next video!
Dude you said that soon as it was uploaded obviously it won’t have as many views first day dummy
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@lemonhead1442 did you call this great king whose ancestors built the pyramids a DUMMY???!
HOW DARE YOU (lofl10×) he's facially beautiful just look at how he.sticks his fetid tongue out- how elegant is that?! His breath probably smells like a winos infected SPUNK..yet ALAS!
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his photo! amazing!
Juat look at his complexion- the product of his B.F.'s 'balsack' teabagging facials- but wait again! His hair..washed with his "daddi's 'colon mud'
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Just one point I'd like to make. Considering their relative technological advantages over the United States and the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany could have developed a space program capable of producing satellites that could take pictures of the Axis powers as a defense mechanism. While obviously, the resolution of the photographs would not be great, surely they would have been enough to notice changes taking place on the border with the Soviet Union.
Don't be silly. I really dislike this popculture idea of German technology being superior. Truth is that Germany just rushed things into service, while other nations took their time developing. The west had the Gloster Meteor in 1944. The Soviets had their Jets too, sure Yak-15 was made using captured German Engines but it was a dead end. Mig-9 turned to be a better option. As for Rocket science, both sides uses German help but they didnt really need it, especially the soviets. They had scientists like Korolev, who had independently developed improved rocket designs while the the Germans were working on their ones. Russians had people like Konstantin Tsiolkovsky who worked on these things all the way back in the Tsarist Russia. The real limit to technology was material science, like metallurgy. To think that the USSR wouln't have any ICBMs or Submarines is just silly. Also to think that they woulndn't just bomb all the German troops in Vietnam. The realistic thing would be to have a three way space race. Germany wont the war, no need to continue the destruction. But you know, Germany is a Mary Sue in these scenarios.
Why even bother with that when you could just use spy planes. US did deploy spy planes over the soviet union and various other countries in the 50s and 60s.
@@lonewaffle231plus if Germany won the war their economy would still have suffered due to years of war and high casualties and damage to infrastructure
@@lonewaffle231ussr wouldnt have icbms that fast without the germans and its a fact if it wasnt for the germans we would be 50 years behind of technology me-262 is the best fighter jet of ww2 and we are ahead of tank technology today because of how germans invested in main battle tanks if germany kept its scientists sputnik wouldnt launch at all germans would be on the moon and German rocket artillery would be far superior than the soviet ones berlin is and always will be the center of science
@@tannerbanner1660not really Albert speer would easily fix germany and they would recover the population very easily considering the fact that germans would settle in european russia
Hey, I just want to let you know I’ve been a huge fan of yours since I found your channel in 2020, your videos are absolutely brilliant and I always look forward to them, I’ve always wanted to see a video on if Britain joined the Axis. I think it would be class if you could do that.
yes it will be one f the next video
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@@zvallid what if Britain join the axis
@@jamarieharry1805 it would be interesting but it's difficult to find a scenario in which the british fight at axis side
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Very well done. A three-way Cold War makes total sense if, in fact, history unfolded in the alternative timeline.
That's the most 'realistic' what if scenario I've read/seen. Well done. Frightening.
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The biggest problem with this scenario is that I think it would have eventually led to a war with Germany. It might have been months or years later, but considering American warships had attacked German U-Boats, despite saying they were neutral, and German U-boats had sunk the USS Ruben James in October of 1941, it is not a matter of if but when the US will go to war with Germany.
Not to mention, even if Germany doesn't declare war on the US, the US is still gonna provide supplies and material to the UK and the Soviets.
Yeah, my understanding was that Germany had always anticipated war with the US at some point.
The US supplied Germany as well
@@jasonbarrie9933 Ford for example was the largest deliverer of light and medium trucks of the Wehrmacht. And not to forget, IBM and it's Hollorith machines, making a effectiv Holocaust administrable.....
I would almost question if the US would still be providing the UK and the Soviets in this scenario. Providing others while you are at peace is one thing, but once you are attacked, are you still going to supply countries that aren't fighting YOUR enemy?
I think Congress would have scrapped or heavily cut back the lend-lease to UK and USSR in favor of the war effort against the Japanese.
Maybe russia is preparing war with usa for same reasons??? 😶😶😶
Extremely well thought out and imaginative alternative history. However Japan declared war on America and Britain at the same time on the 8th of December, so forcing them to be allies and not just friends. Hitler and Mussolini also declared war on the USA on the 8th of December. It's interesting to note that although the USA declared war on Japan on the 8th it was not until the 11th of December that the United States declared war on Germany and Italy despite Germany and Italy having declared war on the United States on the 8th. One can see the problem. German and Italian immigrants and their direct descendants made up a sizable proportion of the American population. Quite a few American soldiers who fought for the USA in WW2 spoke German or Italian as their first language.
Your videos are like the German missiles in this timeline, the quality is amazing!
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This has been a long awaited and sought after episode. Glad you're still going !
This is amazing best thing I.ve watched in along time
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1. you deserve more subs
2. what if the Russian Republic somehow won the russian civil war and how would that affect WW2 or the cold war?
By russian republic you mean alexander kolchaks russia or a democracy lead by kerensky? Very cool idea though both ways
@@porucznikfachowca the white army
@@whitezombie10 Depends tho theres a lot of puppet states that were made with the regional generals acting like warlords essentialy, still a very cool idea
There’s a LOT of different scenarios that could have happened and this one you came up with is batsh*t crazy.
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Not bad at all and I enjoyed it a lot. But if Germany was so far ahead in technology and had nuclear war heads that early on, they would have pressured the others to diminish their nuclear arsenals. They would also have placed nukes in South America and Asia. It is also unlikely that a war in Vietnam would have depleted their nuclear arsenal, if they only dropped 10 bombs. They wouldn't have sent all the military might in such a small conflict either. Who knows, the UK might have become friendly with the Germans after Churchill or even the USA to fight communism together. Many peole said that the allies should have worked with the Germans against the Soviet Union.
As Patton said: "We fought the wrong enemy"
Depends on the extent to what Germany goes to, ethically speaking in post-war Europe. This would define the American attitude towards germany. Because mind you, a lot of Americans were german origin and supporters of Germany at the start of the war in our timeline too.
So you are correct in that regard. Also, I also believe that investing so much resources so far away from the 'Aryan homeland' just doesn't sit right with the german philosophy.
@@tom170670 Perhaps you ought to read the entire speech. Cherry picking a sentence to suit your beliefs does not reflect reality.
@@mikeconey2164 And now the USA is the biggest threat to the world. There are no heroes only villains. As the Joker said.
Just posted that was waiting this follow up in "what if germans fought vietnam war"😂 apparently ive missed this one when you posted it❤
I wonder why is said, that Hitler disliked nuclear weapons. Once seeing effect i believe that he would very quickly changed his mind. He hated poisonous gas (he was hit by chemical strike during WW1) a never used sarin, tabun and another chemical weapons on battlefields of WW2. (Even it would be very beneficial for him specially in the Eastern front.)
It is widely believed that while being strategically pragmatic, he regarded nuclear physics as "Jewish physics." His words according to sources such as Albert Speer, not mine.
@@eddieschwab864 Fair point. But still... i think that power of nuclear weapons and fact that USSR and USA have them too would led this megalomaniac to change his mind about nukes. But as i said - fair point.
Wow! Great video :D Fantastic content, waiting has paid off. Hope you and your family are doing better.
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I'm sad to see this video had no subtitles. Still, what a amazing scenario. You never fail to deliver a awesome video!!
i'll add subtitles. do you prefere the writings with the captions?
@@zvallid yes that is best, also is your son alright?
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Actually, Hitler had a reason to declare war: to attempt to win the Battle of the Atlantic by being able to attack shipping along the US coast.
It's relatively known the soviets were amassing troops along the newly created border well after they invaded poland without france or uk declaring war on them despite their defence treaty.
If you really thought the preemptive strike by germany & co was just a random retarded decision without any reason at all then I've some bad news for you..
If the nuclear war didnt happen, who would of won the conventional war? also amazing video!
I think Germany and allies would defeat the soviets and uk would be very in danger.
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Most probably, we would have Martian bases by now.
Hey Zvallid. You are my favorite youtuber, it is a great blessing that you brought this youtube video to me. All of that hard work, came right into this video. Thank you so much.
I am absolutely fascinated with parallel/ alternate realities.
This is fascinating it really gets the imagination going
Yes finally a video
Second vid. I’ve subbed. Alternative Realistic History is rare 👍
Oh Petain wasn’t Vichy’s leader for very long. He’d not be leader in 1946 either
may be you are right
The thing I appreciate most about this video is that it is actually original, flushed out, well researched, and the low-budget style is perfect. You are the king when it comes to alt history, zvallid. And you will be for a long time.
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While the video is not the most realistic it's still pretty interresting.
When I saw a new Zavllid video dropped I was watching something and eating popcorn. I immediately clicked on your video and it was well worth it. Thanks for making this content for others to enjoy
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"the German nukes are depleted after Vietnam"
*Germany nuking the US and USSR two seconds later*
only around 2 dozens used in Viet out of 125 owned by German
It's more like, we can't produce more quickly so keep some in reserve against our main enemies.
kraut space magic nuff said
1 year ago but he says in the video that US allies like UK and Canada were spared because of the low numbers.
Been watching your channel for years, and I'm still impressed of the quality. Big round of applause man!
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Idea for next video: How would have been cold war if the Soviet Union joined Axis in WW2?
Edit: USA still defeats Japan by using nukes
Probably better than things are now
i think the same
For real
When it comes to alternate history, this channel is the best no doubt. The details provided and the effort in explaining the setting and bakground for the events is fantastic! Great job
thank you!
I love how he goes from “another 9 atomic bombs…” from the last two vids to “another 7 atomic bombs…” in this one
To make it more realistic
I find it a bit weird that Spain wasn't really mention in this even though Franco was good friends with Hitler even more so than Mussolini
Funny thing is OTL Mussolini initially threatened war with Germany over Anschluss with Austria. That is why it didnt occur aooner than it did...
This is one of the BEST videos I have ever seen on U-tube! excellent job!!
Excellent work. Terrific footage. Well done guys!
15:49 "the most powerful actual application of self-defense in history"
This one's oddly similar to Thousand Week Reich
Excellent content
"because dallas got cancelled" why did that make me laugh so hard
9:04 someone just woke up from a nap...
Hoi4 when you have nukes: 18:04
Fighting the nightmare war and surviving. A really great speculation I wonder how I missed you till now great scenarios.
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16:29 Wrong. Kennedy wanted us OUT of Viet Nam, and he never would have jumped to an immediate retaliation against the Germans.. Recall his handling of the Cuban missile crisis, also the fact that it is now known that he had a diplomatic "back channel" to the Soviets. Kennedy would never have jumped head-first into a full-blown nuclear war. Someone here clearly did not do their homework.Tsk tsk tsk.
pretty much a mish-mash of real events combined with a very basic and sometimes not well-thought alternative alternative timeline. All considered, keep up the work, needs a lot of it before it becomes the new man inthe high tower. Drop all the nitty gritty weapons systems descriptions unless they are relevant. Thanks for the video !
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They should make a 3 hour epic WW3 movie with a limited nuke strike and showing different theatres. It would be wicked if the right director and enough money was chucked at it. What man wouldn’t go to watch that?
The scene in Red Dawn when they walk outside and look up made me think of it.
I wonder why it has never been done.
Because U.S people will cry like babies.
Amazing effort and an interesting story and outcome keep you watching. Its difficult to imagine what would happen if these decisions were made and you turned the idea into a fantastic video but i guess nobody will ever find out. It was also a good thing to explain a different backstory than just the axis winning and also the situation in between the wars. I would also love to see how a war without nuclear weapons would escalate.
may be a scenario in which atomic bombs are not developed or developed too late to be used
I enjoyed the video. It gives one a lot to think of.
*Tis a certified Fall Rockwell moment.*
wow first time seeing ur video but this was amazing. The storyline, narration, originality and great visuals for every scene. You got it all. Brb gona watch most of your other videos
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The "All it needs is a spark" line gave me chills. Great video!
very very interesting and very well made