@@nicskywalker1542Olen Griffing knew. Cindy's latest interview confirmed it was him that they told at Shady Grove. He is still at Gateway. Tom Lane knew as did their lawyers per emails. Christian Post has the emails on their website.
Since a lawsuit was brought by Cindy in 2005, how can the elders deny having known all about this? Their response makes no sense. Nobody tracks the church's lawsuits??? Confusing.
Gateway church was not even a movement when this sin took place. Why sue them? I have no respect for a long tome ago victim who the Lord healed and brought her through, then 40 years later wants fame and fortune.
ALL of the elders need to step down immediately. If they don't, I hope to see this church dissolved. They hired a law firm not for an internal inquiry, but to determine if the elders could be held liable in a civil lawsuit. Unfortunately, the statute of limitations here in Texas has run out for a criminal investigation, but there still can be (and should be) civil action taken against the leaders of the church. This is a stain on Christians here in the DFW area and all over the world. All of those church members have been following a child abuser. "For all that is secret will eventually be brought into the open, and everything that is concealed will be brought to light and made known to all." -Luke 8:17
This happened a long time ago and nobody was arrested. Did her parents file a police report at the time? Was there an investigation at the time? I don't know.
What is astounding is that there are no way her parents are innocent in this. Five years they didn’t protect her As a father with daughters, that’s my first obligation to them is to protect them . Then they allowed a slick Willie preacher to deceive them. Yes, the preacher is guilty but the first line of defense for a child is the parents they failed her
Church, this is a wake up call for the body of Christ 💯🙏 Get your house in order and heed to the voice of God when He speaks or you will be exposed too. This is not a time of pointing fingers but a lesson for us ALL 💯 God is tired of lip service 🙏
The church elder said in his opening statement, "I Can Not Imagine!" Then form an idea of SA. All moral failures should be taken out of society and punished. Imagine the life-long effect of mental scorn with shameful stress and remembering the physical harm done. Just imagine?!? Who is to blame? Several to many who know the true facts. They should be forced to come forward along with their own omission. Repentance is coming forward. If not, it will be your fall from God's grace. Cindy Clemishire, my heart goes out to you. You are fighting the good fight! Only the ones who have suffered as victims truly know.
When the eldes first found out about this over 35 years ago did they not know the age of the victim then?! How was this handled in court. Did the parents speak to any elders about this? Im sure there were eldes who knew exactly how old she was and kept their mouths shut
Paul said it best, “Follow me as I follow Christ.” Stop relying so much on people regardless of their position, calling, or status. Don’t get so caught up in the character of a person that it distracts, dismantles, and destroys your relationship with Jesus Christ. Yes we know that leaders are admonished and held to a high respectable standard but don’t allow your admiration for those in leadership cause you to lose hope when something unfortunate takes place. Hold your heads up and focus on Jesus and him alone. Pray for this man that he would repent and unfortunately deal with the consequences of this heinous act. More importantly, pray for this young woman who had to under go this evil and live with it for so long. Pray for her and others that may have been hurt as well. Pray for the entire body of this congregation. 🙏🏽
The elders should lawyer up and sue Morris for twisting the truth. What Morris did is the behavior of a pedophile. The church should press charges and have him arrested.
So many comments about wealth on this earth, but our time here is short! Are we all, including myself, too concerned about our earthly comforts? I know they matter, but the preoccupation on wealth can lead us away from the heart of God. Rich or poor, we are to seek God, and glorify Him with our lives. We are to have a generous heart towards others, especially those who are hurting. God bless!
Disappointed, God's word tells us we will reap what we sow. He deserves to be punished and never be allowed to return to ministry, these so called men of God that stand in front of us and cry like a baby asking for forgiveness are pathetic, they know how to play the game of manipulation. Gateway Church will always have a dark cloud over it.
Like Jesus laid down his divinity while here on earth, thus calling him just a mere man. God has to be sick of the heresy being taught and all the preachers claiming to be the same as Jesus.
"He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone." John 8:11 "I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. Matthew 5:219.
Well in the U.S. you have to follow our laws, and most people don't lust after children. We had a kid in the neighborhood that was 19 so younger than this pastor and single instead of married mess with a 13-year-old in the neighborhood. He is in jail and will be in jail for awhile. Somebody should have pushed for charges on this pastor in the 1980's and it is pathetic nobody did. Oh and I thought it was the immigrants that are rapists? Trust me we already have plenty of rapists here in the U.S.
It's pretty evident the way these abuse cases are being revealed that the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY has had enough. Every elder that knew needs to be held accountable. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a pact between those who were aware. So a new guy might not have had any knowledge whatsoever.
"On the Day of Resurrection, people will surge together like waves. They will first approach Adam and say, 'Please intercede for us with your Lord.' Adam will reply, 'I am not fit for that, but you should go to Abraham, the Khalil (friend) of the Beneficent.' They will then go to Abraham, who will also say, 'I am not fit for that, but you should go to Moses, the one to whom Allah spoke directly.' Moses, in turn, will say, 'I am not fit for that, but you should go to Jesus, a soul created by Allah and His Word.' Finally, they will go to Jesus, who will direct them to me, Muhammad. I will say, 'I am for that.' I will then ask my Lord's permission, and it will be granted. He will inspire me to praise Him with praises I do not know now. I will praise Him with those praises and will fall down, prostrate before Him. Then it will be said, 'O Muhammad, raise your head and speak, for you will be listened to; ask, for your request will be granted; and intercede, for your intercession will be accepted.' I will say, 'O Lord, my followers! My followers!' "
@smokyquartz5817 throwing the baby out with the bathwater kinda thinking huh. You do not know that to be true at all...impossible to know. You're allowing emotions to rule over your thoughts.
I watched him on and off on TBN. His sermons are pretty sappy, watered down gospel messages. Personally, he never seemed sincere to me. Ironically, there is mega church here in South Florida (where I ironically got saved) where the pastor resigned because of a sex scandal. Anyways, its good that him and his sappy sermons are history. of course, i understand that he may have repented and did alot of good works. But he did groom a 12 year old girl, being she was a family friend. Actually, everything about this is what is wrong with the church in general. Don't get me started on TBN and their ... 😊
you need to stay away from the church ... how many THOUSANDS more times do you need to hear this same story repeated in the churches. That's what always happens in a system where you allow people to be "absolved" of their sins rather than facing criminal justice! It's gross!
Those elders knew. There are more victims. It’s not inappropriate behavior. It’s child molestation and his friend’s child, while his wife was there. It’s sick he should be in jail. Her parents I’m sure they knew too….
Numbers 32:23 "Be sure your sin will find you out." Confess your sin. Turn from your sin. Accept the consequences of your sin. And THEN you can be forgiven.
So Christianity gives you a free pass to do anything so long as you say sorry afterwards?? ...and you wonder why this keeps happening again, and again, and again, and again...
@@njones420 No. I mean in someones perverted version of Christianity like these people it appears so. I am assuming you are American so I know that is hard to accept given this perverted version is just about all you have been exposed to. However you must consider that book is some 1600 years old, been translated into several languages all over the globe and been read by billions. If one were to suggest that a single person could possibly be familiar with every way it can be interpreted or practiced is absurd. There is no doubt some terrible people who claim to be Christians, I have also seen people who selflessly give of themselves their entire lives. Jimmy Carter is a great example. That is the type of Christian I am talking about. However some people act just as intolerant of Christians (with absolutely no context to what *kind* of Christian, or person they are) as the Evangelicals they claim to despise. It is almost like the same chords just a different key - the same Mad Libs just different words plugged in.
@@justbrowsing8675 the son has NOT been named senior pastor and the position is currently vacant. On the website, it lists him as "associate senior pastor" but only because he has not resigned. The church is inviting guest speakers both from within and outside the church to speak until a decision is made on how to move forward, hopefully with integrity and accountability, as Christ once commanded of us. Praying for the victim as she comes forward and tells her story (even if it predates Gateway's founding by several years- it can take years/decades for a victim to be in a place of healing to tell their experience and give us a better understanding of the truth), and also praying for James Morris (Ps. Robert's son) who is now learning what a sociopathic liar and manipulator his own father is (having witness this in my formative years of ministry at the hands of another pastor outside of Gateway's ministry, I can only imagine being lied to and manipulated to that extent by a parent), and also praying for the many elders, campus pastors and members who have faithfully served the ministry and are collectively determining how to do so, in a way that honors God and the call to accountability, integrity and having a higher standard of morality than the world surrounding the church, so as to be above reproach in the days, weeks and years to come. I believe the best days can truly be ahead for Gateway Church- but the process of doing so must be done correctly and with respect to the healing collectively for everyone involved.
Most churches do NOT do proper background checks on ANY of their employees! (I worked for one in the 80’s and testified for 2 days about a young employee who was molesting children!). The people “caring” for your children MUST have background checks done! PASTORS TOO!!
When he’s the founder and boss of the church, nobody is going to question or investigate him. Even if they found something out, they can’t say or do anything about it if intending to keep their positions (keep making money) in that church. He’s the one song the hiring and firing as the CEO/Founder(owner). That’s the problem here.
I did the background checks for Gateway Church every 6 months since 2008. They ran every member but Robert Morris. I always wondered why he got exempt.
@@StreetsOfVancouverChannel Once a year ??!! for criminal offenders in the church where we see this happen again and again and again?! You say it like it's a good thing !!
*There shouldn’t be a statute of limitations for such a crime. The vile man continuously raped a child.* 😢 Whenever he ‘stepped away from this church’ for two years seeking counseling those 30 years ago, the *elders knew why* but they were making good money to remain silent and swept it all under the rugs. *He was also on payroll as the founder* for those two years while away so the leadership was all financially benefiting the entire time. *They need to change the whole leadership board* and he needs legal charges for raping a baby.
All blind people!! They should’ve never stepped foot back in that child molesting compound!! The elders knew!!! They turned a blind eye!! All should be prosecuted!!
i feel sad for the girl who was abused and recovering. i feel sad for the congregation who are grieving. i still ask why did the elders not ask for details or at least the age of the "young lady". All the leaders would have had a duty to report.
Yeah, it's been 4 decades...I would think she's not reeling from what happened at this point. Jesus does heal and make things new if you let Him. Some people refuse to let go tho.
He was caught lying about how old the girl was. He was not forthright in his confession. And he candy coated the truth. He did not volunteer the information, the victim called him out. She was ignored for years on this and finally, I believe, God had had enough and made the so called men of God in the church, have to admit that she was just twelve years old. They ignored it as long as they could. And then allowed him to resign instead of firing him in disgrace. The wife told the girl she forgave her for sleeping with her husband. Trying to make the girl the bad person. The love of money is a sin also. This event will definitely have a financial impact on the church. This church is very successful and influential.
This is very upsetting. And yes. Debbie Morris needs to be held accountable as well. This was my church. I met my wife here. But I left when I realized just how much Gateway was more like a company than a church. Always asking for money and making you feel guilty if you don't give to Robert's church.
@@carrier411yes its true Morris wife called the Victim and told her she forgives her for sleeping with her husband. It’s on U-tube. Morris wife is just a s sick as he is trying to make it sound like it was the victims fault.
How long ago was this and what churches fought against this? Was it the Catholic Church? The SDA church requires this and mandatory criminal background checks for our schools and all children and youth services.
@Sunshine26762 33 states have protection clauses for clergy or church "privileges" that allow them to get away with not reporting the abuse, and some go further and allow churches to prohibit doctors and teachers from reporting as well, by exerting privilege over evidence. It's sick, but Christian organizations all across the US have fought hard and mostly won. Washington state just made it law that all clergy is mandated to report, but Arizona and Utah are making it easier for clergy to be immune to any legal repercussions.
*Larry Burkett's book on "Giving and Tithing" drew me closer to God and helped my spirituality. 2020 was a year I literally lived it. I cashed in my life savings and gave it all away. My total giving amounted to 40,000 dollars. Everyone thought I was delusional. Today, 1 receive 85,000 dollars every two months. I have a property in Calabasas, CA, and travel a lot. God has promoted me more than once and opened doors for me to live beyond my dreams. God kept to his promises to and for me*
It is the digital market. That's been the secret to this wealth transfer. A lot of folks in the US and abroad are getting so much from it, God has been good to my household Thank you Jesus
TBN favorite they first covered for him and he didn’t go to jail that’s why he preach for the next 30 something years and didn’t go to jail. I love their fessing up. The only reason he resigned because she brought it to light
Makes me queztion TBN and Daystar . He married one of the Lamb girls. These people expose charlatans yo unsuspecting viewers. Switch them off and go read your Bible.
@@jeffreymartin6369It means do not follow me for the sake of following men. Follow men, who have the guts and conviction to speak the word in truth. And like the bereans, test every spirit and not be swayed
@@jeffreymartin6369 so many people are idolizing these pastors, teachers and worship leaders, and their watered down doctrines ($$$), especially in these mega churches, rather than keeping our focus on what the scriptures actually say and our trust in Jesus.
The creeps that are in charge in Texas will change the laws if they have to protect a good ole boy though. If that doesn't work they will just call it a witch hunt, delay delay delay, call into question the authority of the court, admonish the judge plus his or her family, delay delay delay some more, say it is motivated by some sort of agenda, delay delay delay etc.
What credentials do the "elders" have at Gateway? Honorary certificates? Research. Research. Research. Or don't & just follow the sheep off the cliff. 🤪🐑🤪🐑
If Morris was the founder of the gateway church, then this church should close their doors permanently. I can't believe "the elders" forgot to ask how hold was this "young lady". Unbelievable!!
This elder is Tra Wilbanks, CEO of Anchor Investments, a reported family-owned and operated investment firm with a focus in the manufacturing, distribution, and services market. Website says, "Helping owners unlock their equity, we work with companies predominantly located in the south with revenue levels of at least $5 million." Funny how big money always seems to be around the church leadership.
Yes! I used to work for a small entrepreneur group of millionaires and starting a megachurch was a frequent topic of discussion. It’s all about the money.💰
There is a scripture that says "But who so shall cause one of these little ones who believes in me to fall, it would be better for him that a millstone were hung around his neck and that he were drowned in the debts of the sea. Matthew 18:6
Weird how he keeps letting this happen though in his one sacred place left on Earth, huh? Almost like he doesn't care, or has no power to do anything...or both...the only other option would be there's no one there at all. Which do you think it is?
@@njones420 You also must remember that these are some of the most vile people ever. They have been insulated from consequences and lived on the teet of donations for decades. There are definitely good Christians out there. If they talk the talk AND walk the walk plus stay in their lane then they can actually be a force for good and it should not matter what their beliefs are - like Jimmy Carter. HOWEVER that type is exceedingly rare in the US and near extinct in the Derp Sout....I mean the Deep South.
@@njones420I don’t think, I know… God gave man a free will. Man chooses to sin, if man does not ask for forgiveness and turn AWAY from sin… God s wrath WILL be poured out for all eternity. ! HELL fire
@@jesussaves7973 You _think_ you know... that's the point. So, god gave you free will, but will punish you based on what you decide to do with it ... That's no better than slavery. He died for your sins, but will also punish you for your sins. also, "HELLFIRE" with caps is just funny to me. 😂 . The whole thing is a joke!
Blah blah her father knew everything and gave him the ok to go back to ministry so what's knew only think she ever asked for Was money..bc she was in a relationship with him
The way this church addressed this sexual abuse case is disheartening. The speech that was presented felt rehearsed and very calculated. Almost like the elders knew about this since the beginning. We had to watch the speech over a screen on Sunday, they could have at least addressed this situation in person, on both days of service instead of replaying it . This is a serious case and it deserves respect as well as deep accountability. Is that too much to ask? There is no judgement in Christ but we must be held accountable for our actions and act accordingly. If the leaders of this church cannot be honest through and through they become the leprosy in the church that will in time only destroy it.
Judgment starts in the house of God, but all these judgmental remarks reek of holier than thou. I hurt for this mess but this church has helped us in South America ( And not with money but wisdom).
Right!? That’s what I am struggling with!? Isn’t it kinda like “David” or David & Bathsheba even? A human can’t be forgiven of sins anymore and still continue to be used by God??
@Cmunic8 The congregation?? Wrong, sir. There may have been a few select people in the leadership that knew and kept it quiet, but not the entire congregation of people. They're just as hurt to find out about this.
@@danl9134 you’re a member? And where do you propose that they go to get something done?Social justice…are the people involved not at the location that represents them?
@Cmunic8 no I'm not a member. I'm just saying that your frustration is misdirected. These people are demanding answers from leaderahip as well. You can't blame them for the pastors secret sin from 35 years ago. They're not coming together at church to support what he did, they're coming together as the bodybof christ and as a family and mourning together. And yall are kicking them while they're already down. They all feel betrayed. I think everyone wants answers and justice.
A real elder wouldn’t take just hear say, and get the FACTS FIRST. Because he suppose to care for the church.what if someone else would be molested AFTERWARDS, is ignorance excuse for the law? No it is not!
WHERE'S TARRANT COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY: PHIL SORRELL ON THIS CRIME? WHY HASNT ANYONE IN THE MEDIA ASKED HIM QUESTIONS? No statue of limitations in TX.
Absolutely 💯 Our Trust is in no man But only in the one and only Genderd Son of God Because of this there was no sin found in Him Jesus Christ is the King 👑 of Kings and the Lord of Lords
Take heart, Gateway. The same God who was yesterday is also there today. This, too, shall pass. You will be stronger and purer as requires of the bride of Christ. God receives all the glory.
“For they publicly declare they know God but they disown Him by their works, for they are detestable and disobedient and not approved for good work of any sort.” (Titus 1:16)
😭😭😭😭 it is sadly all about the money 💰 😢 😕 i dont fall for phoney church apologies you got to be kidding me they are just afraid they are going to get sued they ought to close the place down make sure they're are no other child/victims of the man and the children are safe 😢😢.
The fact I use to go here but found myself not wanting to attend due to how they operate. There’s a church in every north Texas city dang near but only the southlake church has live service. The rest of the churches have big movie screens and TVs showing recordings of the sermons 😒 so basically you meet at the church to watch the service online 😂
Blah blah blah…this was long time ago…If he got it right then it’s under the blood!!!!!! Period!!!!!! Yes it’s tragic…So is he that today?!?!? And your tears please!!!!!!!! This should been handled In private!!!!!!!! Satan going to ruin many In this cause you all have no decency…you All need to repent all
They “fessed up” because they got found out!
No one “fessed up” until it was made public!!!
You're right!
Seems like it's always the same way 😕.
@@cherithieben8422 everyone knew just not the age
@@nicskywalker1542Olen Griffing knew. Cindy's latest interview confirmed it was him that they told at Shady Grove. He is still at Gateway. Tom Lane knew as did their lawyers per emails. Christian Post has the emails on their website.
@@cherithieben8422 who's they?
Since a lawsuit was brought by Cindy in 2005, how can the elders deny having known all about this? Their response makes no sense. Nobody tracks the church's lawsuits??? Confusing.
the elders did not know the girl was 12 and everyone was told it was a young lady
Gateway church was not even a movement when this sin took place. Why sue them? I have no respect for a long tome ago victim who the Lord healed and brought her through, then 40 years later wants fame and fortune.
I total agree I.m sure she is getting a healthy payday for her story
The church should have fired him and called the police.
ALL of the elders need to step down immediately. If they don't, I hope to see this church dissolved. They hired a law firm not for an internal inquiry, but to determine if the elders could be held liable in a civil lawsuit. Unfortunately, the statute of limitations here in Texas has run out for a criminal investigation, but there still can be (and should be) civil action taken against the leaders of the church. This is a stain on Christians here in the DFW area and all over the world. All of those church members have been following a child abuser. "For all that is secret will eventually be brought into the open, and everything that is concealed will be brought to light and made known to all." -Luke 8:17
If you and I ,ordinary men, did these things to 12 years old girl. I bet years in jails, at least.
Right. ????
Damn right
Right. That's the point.
There is a small chance he will be prosecuted..it was a criminal act against a child.
This happened a long time ago and nobody was arrested. Did her parents file a police report at the time? Was there an investigation at the time? I don't know.
Plus sex offender registry he should be on one
It's OK, he said "sorry" to Jesus...that's eough to get you a pass for anything in the church
They did not want to know the truth. They liked the money he brought in.
Exactly this
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Exactly!
Exactly! The b.s. from the elders is almost offensive.
Believe me when I say it’s NOT about money. It’s about sin that the blood of Jesus cleansed us from.
What is astounding is that there are no way her parents are innocent in this.
Five years they didn’t protect her
As a father with daughters, that’s my first obligation to them is to protect them . Then they allowed a slick Willie preacher to deceive them.
Yes, the preacher is guilty but the first line of defense for a child is the parents they failed her
That is the question that has not been answered. Why did the parents not prosecute for his actions?
She never told them!!
@@susiepingleton3614 I have 2 daughters
The youngest being 17
Red flags would be going up
Over a four year time span
9 years different in age.
Hello
Church, this is a wake up call for the body of Christ 💯🙏 Get your house in order and heed to the voice of God when He speaks or you will be exposed too. This is not a time of pointing fingers but a lesson for us ALL 💯 God is tired of lip service 🙏
The church elder said in his opening statement, "I Can Not Imagine!" Then form an idea of SA. All moral failures should be taken out of society and punished. Imagine the life-long effect of mental scorn with shameful stress and remembering the physical harm done. Just imagine?!? Who is to blame? Several to many who know the true facts. They should be forced to come forward along with their own omission. Repentance is coming forward. If not, it will be your fall from God's grace.
Cindy Clemishire, my heart goes out to you. You are fighting the good fight! Only the ones who have suffered as victims truly know.
When the eldes first found out about this over 35 years ago did they not know the age of the victim then?! How was this handled in court. Did the parents speak to any elders about this? Im sure there were eldes who knew exactly how old she was and kept their mouths shut
So sorry. Pray for every preacher.😢
Why did she wait 42 years? He's now 62.
She didn’t!!’ Learn the full story. She’s been talking about it for decades. NEWS just brought it up again
Paul said it best, “Follow me as I follow Christ.” Stop relying so much on people regardless of their position, calling, or status. Don’t get so caught up in the character of a person that it distracts, dismantles, and destroys your relationship with Jesus Christ. Yes we know that leaders are admonished and held to a high respectable standard but don’t allow your admiration for those in leadership cause you to lose hope when something unfortunate takes place. Hold your heads up and focus on Jesus and him alone. Pray for this man that he would repent and unfortunately deal with the consequences of this heinous act. More importantly, pray for this young woman who had to under go this evil and live with it for so long. Pray for her and others that may have been hurt as well. Pray for the entire body of this congregation. 🙏🏽
The elders should lawyer up and sue Morris for twisting the truth. What Morris did is the behavior of a pedophile. The church should press charges and have him arrested.
Amen, he needs to pay for his actions
So many comments about wealth on this earth, but our time here is short!
Are we all, including myself, too concerned about our earthly comforts? I know they matter, but the preoccupation on wealth can lead us away from the heart of God.
Rich or poor, we are to seek God, and glorify Him with our lives.
We are to have a generous heart towards others, especially those who are hurting.
God bless!
why waiting 42 years?
The man has repented and is forgiven by Christ who died for him on the cross. Sickening and horrible as his actions were, we cannot judge him.
But he should be held accountable for what he did!😢
The members who stay should want to know if Robert Morris will keep receiving money in some way. Do not fund those who prey on the sheep.
Disappointed, God's word tells us we will reap what we sow. He deserves to be punished and never be allowed to return to ministry, these so called men of God that stand in front of us and cry like a baby asking for forgiveness are pathetic, they know how to play the game of manipulation. Gateway Church will always have a dark cloud over it.
Robert Morris tithe extortions and heretical teaching was red flag enough. No one should be shocked.
Like Jesus laid down his divinity while here on earth, thus calling him just a mere man. God has to be sick of the heresy being taught and all the preachers claiming to be the same as Jesus.
Monster
"He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone." John 8:11
"I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. Matthew 5:219.
Well in the U.S. you have to follow our laws, and most people don't lust after children. We had a kid in the neighborhood that was 19 so younger than this pastor and single instead of married mess with a 13-year-old in the neighborhood. He is in jail and will be in jail for awhile. Somebody should have pushed for charges on this pastor in the 1980's and it is pathetic nobody did. Oh and I thought it was the immigrants that are rapists? Trust me we already have plenty of rapists here in the U.S.
Judge righteous judgment .
Are you really trying to defend a child Rapist? Of course we all sin.....but we all don't rape or hurt children. That's demonic.
It's pretty evident the way these abuse cases are being revealed that the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY has had enough. Every elder that knew needs to be held accountable. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a pact between those who were aware. So a new guy might not have had any knowledge whatsoever.
Olen Griffing was the one the family told back when it happened. No statement from him apparently.
How much of this is Damage Control ??
"On the Day of Resurrection, people will surge together like waves. They will first approach Adam and say, 'Please intercede for us with your Lord.' Adam will reply, 'I am not fit for that, but you should go to Abraham, the Khalil (friend) of the Beneficent.'
They will then go to Abraham, who will also say, 'I am not fit for that, but you should go to Moses, the one to whom Allah spoke directly.' Moses, in turn, will say, 'I am not fit for that, but you should go to Jesus, a soul created by Allah and His Word.'
Finally, they will go to Jesus, who will direct them to me, Muhammad. I will say, 'I am for that.' I will then ask my Lord's permission, and it will be granted. He will inspire me to praise Him with praises I do not know now. I will praise Him with those praises and will fall down, prostrate before Him.
Then it will be said, 'O Muhammad, raise your head and speak, for you will be listened to; ask, for your request will be granted; and intercede, for your intercession will be accepted.' I will say, 'O Lord, my followers! My followers!' "
100’s more doing the same thing within that church.
Absolutely. And everybody knows what's going on, they were all fine with it.
@smokyquartz5817 throwing the baby out with the bathwater kinda thinking huh. You do not know that to be true at all...impossible to know. You're allowing emotions to rule over your thoughts.
Sunshine...you are using a broad brush stroke with your statement. YOU can't possibly know that to be true. That is slanderous talk... Be careful.
Robert Morris was never qualified to be a pastor.
Out of curiosity what qualifies someone, anyone to be a pastor? I'm assuming you've got the angle on it.
I watched him on and off on TBN. His sermons are pretty sappy, watered down gospel messages. Personally, he never seemed sincere to me. Ironically, there is mega church here in South Florida (where I ironically got saved) where the pastor resigned because of a sex scandal. Anyways, its good that him and his sappy sermons are history. of course, i understand that he may have repented and did alot of good works. But he did groom a 12 year old girl, being she was a family friend. Actually, everything about this is what is wrong with the church in general. Don't get me started on TBN and their ... 😊
Crocodile tears. Shut down the fake church. All the leaders should turn into law.
Such a horrible situation.
Punish you child thirty five years later after he took your cigarette lighter and burnt the picnic table down.
Problem with that church they only looking for the blessing of MONEY.
Him and all of his followers you got to be kidding folks read your Bibles to protect yourself form this the blind leadind the blind.
Bad acting😡
Cult.
Close that fake church
The church was never about Hod or Jesus. It was all about Robert Morris 😮
Disgusting
They may be "reeling" but there is no doubt many people knew abuse happened.The Elders definitely were in the no tell group. Hypocrisy overload.
This is criminal
The victim reached out to the church in 2005 …so the elders knew!! They offered her 25K & an NDA
Those elders knew but the current elders are different elders.
From what source are you referring to with these allegations of a payoff?
@@Ruach7777 the victim released the email record
There’s no reeling to do. You just get up and walk out and go find a church that teaches the Bible. Why is that so difficult for people?
Exactly…..but these days it seems kinda hard to locate a good church
@@justbrowsing8675 Really? Have you really looked? Don't think so!
Yes! Break the spirit of religion
you need to stay away from the church ... how many THOUSANDS more times do you need to hear this same story repeated in the churches.
That's what always happens in a system where you allow people to be "absolved" of their sins rather than facing criminal justice! It's gross!
Teaching the Bible is not enough, obviously there's issues with the conduct of the teachers
There were indeed Elders who did know. The System of protecting abusers is still alive and well. There needs to be protocol and instant consequences.
Wondering if there are more victims. Paedophiles usually have many young victims; victims afraid to speak up.
Morris should be in prison not a pulpit.
Those elders knew. There are more victims. It’s not inappropriate behavior. It’s child molestation and his friend’s child, while his wife was there. It’s sick he should be in jail. Her parents I’m sure they knew too….
Of course there are other's! They don't stop at one !
I pray they come out if the woodwork.He has mocked God all these yesrs.Offering her 25k.Disgraceful.
Numbers 32:23
"Be sure your sin will find you out."
Confess your sin. Turn from your sin. Accept the consequences of your sin. And THEN you can be forgiven.
And yours
God forgives, for sure! But, People maybe Not so much?
So Christianity gives you a free pass to do anything so long as you say sorry afterwards??
...and you wonder why this keeps happening again, and again, and again, and again...
@@njones420 No. I mean in someones perverted version of Christianity like these people it appears so. I am assuming you are American so I know that is hard to accept given this perverted version is just about all you have been exposed to. However you must consider that book is some 1600 years old, been translated into several languages all over the globe and been read by billions. If one were to suggest that a single person could possibly be familiar with every way it can be interpreted or practiced is absurd. There is no doubt some terrible people who claim to be Christians, I have also seen people who selflessly give of themselves their entire lives. Jimmy Carter is a great example. That is the type of Christian I am talking about. However some people act just as intolerant of Christians (with absolutely no context to what *kind* of Christian, or person they are) as the Evangelicals they claim to despise. It is almost like the same chords just a different key - the same Mad Libs just different words plugged in.
They accept his resignation, but then replace him with his son. Ridiculous! He will still run the business from outside doors. No accountability.
I agree!!!!
Wow, I hadn’t seen that about the son. Your right it’s nothing but a business
@@justbrowsing8675 the son has NOT been named senior pastor and the position is currently vacant. On the website, it lists him as "associate senior pastor" but only because he has not resigned. The church is inviting guest speakers both from within and outside the church to speak until a decision is made on how to move forward, hopefully with integrity and accountability, as Christ once commanded of us. Praying for the victim as she comes forward and tells her story (even if it predates Gateway's founding by several years- it can take years/decades for a victim to be in a place of healing to tell their experience and give us a better understanding of the truth), and also praying for James Morris (Ps. Robert's son) who is now learning what a sociopathic liar and manipulator his own father is (having witness this in my formative years of ministry at the hands of another pastor outside of Gateway's ministry, I can only imagine being lied to and manipulated to that extent by a parent), and also praying for the many elders, campus pastors and members who have faithfully served the ministry and are collectively determining how to do so, in a way that honors God and the call to accountability, integrity and having a higher standard of morality than the world surrounding the church, so as to be above reproach in the days, weeks and years to come. I believe the best days can truly be ahead for Gateway Church- but the process of doing so must be done correctly and with respect to the healing collectively for everyone involved.
@@justbrowsing8675Yes, I agree. A business.
@@arceneaux66 Don't businesses pay taxes though? No this is a racket is what it is, a scam.
Most churches do NOT do proper background checks on ANY of their employees! (I worked for one in the 80’s and testified for 2 days about a young employee who was molesting children!). The people “caring” for your children MUST have background checks done! PASTORS TOO!!
Those that do require criminal checks need to require YEARLY MANDATORY new criminal checks as a condition for being hired.
Every. Single. Year.
As long as other pastors keep dealing with these issues "in house" and not reporting them to police, background checks will keep coming up clean.
When he’s the founder and boss of the church, nobody is going to question or investigate him. Even if they found something out, they can’t say or do anything about it if intending to keep their positions (keep making money) in that church. He’s the one song the hiring and firing as the CEO/Founder(owner). That’s the problem here.
I did the background checks for Gateway Church every 6 months since 2008. They ran every member but Robert Morris. I always wondered why he got exempt.
@@StreetsOfVancouverChannel Once a year ??!! for criminal offenders in the church where we see this happen again and again and again?!
You say it like it's a good thing !!
Ant then they let him resign instead of firing him immediately.
He should have been reported immediately to authorities
@@ddrules9294absolutely!
He SHOULD HAVE FOUND OUT THE TRUTH…you are an elder for crying out loud!!
I don’t trust any of “the handlers” at this point.
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*There shouldn’t be a statute of limitations for such a crime. The vile man continuously raped a child.* 😢 Whenever he ‘stepped away from this church’ for two years seeking counseling those 30 years ago, the *elders knew why* but they were making good money to remain silent and swept it all under the rugs. *He was also on payroll as the founder* for those two years while away so the leadership was all financially benefiting the entire time. *They need to change the whole leadership board* and he needs legal charges for raping a baby.
These elders DID know. It's so disgusting to see these perverts get away with this.
The newer elders did NOT know
The new people/ elders did not know. Those who were at Shady Grove knew
@@kimm.8014 By 2014 they ALL knew. They simply covered for him like Perry Stone's group are covering for him.
@@timrussell359 not true
"Morris is a former member of Donald Trump's faith advisory board "
What a f*cking surprise !!
All blind people!! They should’ve never stepped foot back in that child molesting compound!! The elders knew!!! They turned a blind eye!! All should be prosecuted!!
AGREED!! ONLY FOOLS WUD STILL ATTEND!!
i feel sad for the girl who was abused and recovering. i feel sad for the congregation who are grieving. i still ask why did the elders not ask for details or at least the age of the "young lady". All the leaders would have had a duty to report.
The “girl” is 54 years old now………just an fyi
Yeah, it's been 4 decades...I would think she's not reeling from what happened at this point. Jesus does heal and make things new if you let Him. Some people refuse to let go tho.
That is the second question to be asked. Why now is she coming public??? The first question is why her parents did not prosecute.
He was caught lying about how old the girl was. He was not forthright in his confession. And he candy coated the truth. He did not volunteer the information, the victim called him out. She was ignored for years on this and finally, I believe, God had had enough and made the so called men of God in the church, have to admit that she was just twelve years old. They ignored it as long as they could. And then allowed him to resign instead of firing him in disgrace. The wife told the girl she forgave her for sleeping with her husband. Trying to make the girl the bad person. The love of money is a sin also. This event will definitely have a financial impact on the church. This church is very successful and influential.
Where did you read that the wife forgave Cindy? It’s awful
This is very upsetting. And yes. Debbie Morris needs to be held accountable as well. This was my church. I met my wife here. But I left when I realized just how much Gateway was more like a company than a church. Always asking for money and making you feel guilty if you don't give to Robert's church.
@@carrier411yes its true Morris wife called the Victim and told her she forgives her for sleeping with her husband. It’s on U-tube. Morris wife is just a s sick as he is trying to make it sound like it was the victims fault.
Put a lien on the property for crime that was permitted!
Crime didn’t happen at the church…did it?
Having to be pressed towards the truth is not fessing up. A missed opportunity for calling people to repentance.
He's an evil man.
Religious leaders fought long and hard NOT to be mandatory reporters of abuse. And they won that battle. Your children are not safe in these places.
Omg wait, is this true? They’re not required to report?
Just put Morris in prison and give Cindy financial restitution....and keep him there.
@@Sunshine26762They are required to report such a crime, when they know about it. Ignorance is being claimed, not sure I'm believing it though.
How long ago was this and what churches fought against this? Was it the Catholic Church? The SDA church requires this and mandatory criminal background checks for our schools and all children and youth services.
@Sunshine26762 33 states have protection clauses for clergy or church "privileges" that allow them to get away with not reporting the abuse, and some go further and allow churches to prohibit doctors and teachers from reporting as well, by exerting privilege over evidence. It's sick, but Christian organizations all across the US have fought hard and mostly won. Washington state just made it law that all clergy is mandated to report, but Arizona and Utah are making it easier for clergy to be immune to any legal repercussions.
*Larry Burkett's book on "Giving and Tithing" drew me closer to God and helped my spirituality. 2020 was a year I literally lived it. I cashed in my life savings and gave it all away. My total giving amounted to 40,000 dollars. Everyone thought I was delusional. Today, 1 receive 85,000 dollars every two months. I have a property in Calabasas, CA, and travel a lot. God has promoted me more than once and opened doors for me to live beyond my dreams. God kept to his promises to and for me*
There's wonder working power in following Kingdom principles on giving and tithing. Hallelujah!
But then, how do you get all that in that period of time? What is it you do please, mind sharing?
It is the digital market. That's been the secret to this wealth transfer. A lot of folks in the US and abroad are getting so much from it, God has been good to my household Thank you Jesus
Big thanks to Ms. Chisty Fiore❤️✨💯May God bless Christy Fiore services,she have changed thousands of lives globally
How can I start this digital market, any guidelines and how can I reach out to her?
Business ( literally ) as usual, and of course this congregación don't care about Bible teaching or Justice, they love prosperity teaching, that's all
TBN favorite they first covered for him and he didn’t go to jail that’s why he preach for the next 30 something years and didn’t go to jail. I love their fessing up. The only reason he resigned because she brought it to light
Makes me queztion TBN and Daystar .
He married one of the Lamb girls.
These people expose charlatans yo unsuspecting viewers.
Switch them off and go read your Bible.
Father will be removing candlesticks around our nation. Thank you Jesus!!!
Yes
After he made millions and live a rich lifestyle.
Such a dry untouchable speech! WOW! Justice needs to be served I don't care how long it's been!
Why do you put your faith and guidance in any pastor!!!! Read the Word and learn to think for yourself.
We should look to the Lord Jesus Christ and not men !
So true !!!
What does that even mean?
@@jeffreymartin6369It means do not follow me for the sake of following men. Follow men, who have the guts and conviction to speak the word in truth. And like the bereans, test every spirit and not be swayed
@@jeffreymartin6369 so many people are idolizing these pastors, teachers and worship leaders, and their watered down doctrines ($$$), especially in these mega churches, rather than keeping our focus on what the scriptures actually say and our trust in Jesus.
This is an avoidant response. Stop avoiding the problem of abuse running rampant in churches and do something about it.
Criminal charges are in order
The creeps that are in charge in Texas will change the laws if they have to protect a good ole boy though. If that doesn't work they will just call it a witch hunt, delay delay delay, call into question the authority of the court, admonish the judge plus his or her family, delay delay delay some more, say it is motivated by some sort of agenda, delay delay delay etc.
What credentials do the "elders" have at Gateway? Honorary certificates? Research. Research. Research. Or don't & just follow the sheep off the cliff. 🤪🐑🤪🐑
If Morris was the founder of the gateway church, then this church should close their doors permanently. I can't believe "the elders" forgot to ask how hold was this "young lady". Unbelievable!!
This elder is Tra Wilbanks, CEO of Anchor Investments, a reported family-owned and operated investment firm with a focus in the manufacturing, distribution, and services market. Website says, "Helping owners unlock their equity, we work with companies predominantly located in the south with revenue levels of at least $5 million." Funny how big money always seems to be around the church leadership.
That doesn’t surprise me one bit, his words lacked any empathy or emotion for the victim, it was all about ‘moving on’
Yes! I used to work for a small entrepreneur group of millionaires and starting a megachurch was a frequent topic of discussion. It’s all about the money.💰
@@indyj16 The wise know the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil.
@@indyj16thousands of sheep available for fleecing. A financier’s Heaven.
2 years counseling?he should have been in prison serving life
agreed........
There is a scripture that says "But who so shall cause one of these little ones who believes in me to fall, it would be better for him that a millstone were hung around his neck and that he were drowned in the debts of the sea. Matthew 18:6
God and His Church will prevail!
Let us keep our eyes and hearts on Jesus.
He alone is the perfect one and the perfecter of our faith.🙏
Just got back from church. We showed up in Gods house. ❤
Weird how he keeps letting this happen though in his one sacred place left on Earth, huh?
Almost like he doesn't care, or has no power to do anything...or both...the only other option would be there's no one there at all.
Which do you think it is?
@@njones420 You also must remember that these are some of the most vile people ever. They have been insulated from consequences and lived on the teet of donations for decades. There are definitely good Christians out there. If they talk the talk AND walk the walk plus stay in their lane then they can actually be a force for good and it should not matter what their beliefs are - like Jimmy Carter. HOWEVER that type is exceedingly rare in the US and near extinct in the Derp Sout....I mean the Deep South.
@@njones420I don’t think, I know… God gave man a free will. Man chooses to sin, if man does not ask for forgiveness and turn AWAY from sin… God s wrath WILL be poured out for all eternity. ! HELL fire
@@jesussaves7973 You _think_ you know... that's the point.
So, god gave you free will, but will punish you based on what you decide to do with it ... That's no better than slavery.
He died for your sins, but will also punish you for your sins.
also, "HELLFIRE" with caps is just funny to me. 😂 . The whole thing is a joke!
Blah blah her father knew everything and gave him the ok to go back to ministry so what's knew only think she ever asked for
Was money..bc she was in a relationship with him
She was 12, she couldn’t have been in a relationship with him.. 🤢🤮
@@cherriixo True, but do you know which supreme court justice wanted to lower the age of consent? Take a guess....
@cherriixo in her eyes she was ..you can't tell girls anything
And the gates of hell shall not prevail against the church of Jesus
Gateway is the church of Satan.
The way this church addressed this sexual abuse case is disheartening. The speech that was presented felt rehearsed and very calculated. Almost like the elders knew about this since the beginning. We had to watch the speech over a screen on Sunday, they could have at least addressed this situation in person, on both days of service instead of replaying it . This is a serious case and it deserves respect as well as deep accountability. Is that too much to ask? There is no judgement in Christ but we must be held accountable for our actions and act accordingly. If the leaders of this church cannot be honest through and through they become the leprosy in the church that will in time only destroy it.
Judgment starts in the house of God, but all these judgmental remarks reek of holier than thou. I hurt for this mess but
this church has helped us in South America ( And not with money but wisdom).
Right!? That’s what I am struggling with!?
Isn’t it kinda like “David” or David & Bathsheba even? A human can’t be forgiven of sins anymore and still continue to be used by God??
Devil's in the church..
"Good luck sleeping tonight"? Why are you attacking the congregation like they did it? They're just as devastated. Stop being wicked!
They’ve been protecting him for 40 years…you don’t think that’s a reason to be upset?
@Cmunic8 The congregation?? Wrong, sir. There may have been a few select people in the leadership that knew and kept it quiet, but not the entire congregation of people. They're just as hurt to find out about this.
@@danl9134 you’re a member? And where do you propose that they go to get something done?Social justice…are the people involved not at the location that represents them?
@@danl9134 maybe the congregation should show their disapproval by joining the protest and demanding answers.
@Cmunic8 no I'm not a member. I'm just saying that your frustration is misdirected. These people are demanding answers from leaderahip as well. You can't blame them for the pastors secret sin from 35 years ago. They're not coming together at church to support what he did, they're coming together as the bodybof christ and as a family and mourning together. And yall are kicking them while they're already down. They all feel betrayed. I think everyone wants answers and justice.
The father should go to jail for not reporting. He covered a crime!
the one lady outside hit it on target--it's about over $100 million in assets, nothing to do with the gospel or doing the right thing.
You must have tears or you would loose all your $$$$ 🙄
A real elder wouldn’t take just hear say, and get the FACTS FIRST. Because he suppose to care for the church.what if someone else would be molested AFTERWARDS, is ignorance excuse for the law? No it is not!
WHERE'S TARRANT COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY:
PHIL SORRELL ON THIS CRIME?
WHY HASNT ANYONE IN THE MEDIA ASKED HIM QUESTIONS?
No statue of limitations in TX.
“For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged…” Matth7:9
Absolutely 💯
Our Trust is in no man
But only in the one and only Genderd
Son of God
Because of this there was no sin found in Him
Jesus Christ is the King 👑 of Kings and the Lord of Lords
TRA was not emotional or sincere. He’s protecting the MONEY
A lot of foolish people will still follow this leadership. There needs to be a house cleaning.
It's God's house. He just did.
Take heart, Gateway. The same God who was yesterday is also there today. This, too, shall pass. You will be stronger and purer as requires of the bride of Christ. God receives all the glory.
It wasn’t allegations he admitted to it cmon now he needs to be in jail
Damage control 101!!!
“For they publicly declare they know God but they disown Him by their works, for they are detestable and disobedient and not approved for good work of any sort.” (Titus 1:16)
Leave and take your money with you!!! Morris family is money hungry!!
I’m sure the statue of limitations have passed but this should keep the dude from ever pastoring again
No limitations in this case
They shouldn’t reel, they should flee the church
They knew
Lou is out of touch... Why do they go to this church, because of Robert Morris and doesn't say anything about him. Crazy
😭😭😭😭 it is sadly all about the money 💰 😢 😕 i dont fall for phoney church apologies you got to be kidding me they are just afraid they are going to get sued they ought to close the place down make sure they're are no other child/victims of the man and the children are safe 😢😢.
The fact I use to go here but found myself not wanting to attend due to how they operate. There’s a church in every north Texas city dang near but only the southlake church has live service. The rest of the churches have big movie screens and TVs showing recordings of the sermons 😒 so basically you meet at the church to watch the service online 😂
It's ok folks, Morris gone! But the great news is that HIS SON is taking over! (how gullible do you have to be to be an evangelical? answer: VERY!)
Blah blah blah…this was long time ago…If he got it right then it’s under the blood!!!!!! Period!!!!!! Yes it’s tragic…So is he that today?!?!? And your tears please!!!!!!!! This should been handled In private!!!!!!!! Satan going to ruin many In this cause you all have no decency…you All need to repent all
Well he fell from grace. Lets forgive and pray for him and his victim as well. Need to move on and let all this heal.