While explaining this verse of ‘Allah’s rising above the Throne’, Hafiz Ibn Katheer has written, ‘We must thread the path of the Mazhab of the pious predecessors like that of Malik, Al Awzaa’ie, Thawri, Laith bin Sa’ad, Shafi, Ahmad, Ishaq bin Rahaway and others besides them from the leaders of the Muslims of the past and present. (They held firm to the view) that this should be accepted in the same way it is mentioned without describing a mode, a semblance or likeness and without negating it’.
Did anyone keep count of how many times this Deobandi Mawlana kept pointing upwards when referring to Allah? He can deny it as much as he wants, but deep down inside he knows that Allah is above the Heavens, he is an evidence against himself. Some timestamps of the Deobandi Mawlana pointing upwards when referring to Allah: 10:02 - "... we leave the meaning to Allah"; 17:02 - "Allah is watching me"; 17:34 - "I swear by Allah"; 18:46 - "I swear by Allah" 19:26 Questioned about why he pointed up when he said "Wallahi" (i.e referring to Allah) and his futile response.
If the sanad of the book of salaf is saheeh you cannot say you dont believe it to be attributed. Then you have to discuss about hujjiat of sanad. And if you dont accept khabar waahid then the discussion should be about hujjiat of khabar waahid. If the foundation is not laid how can there be debate? And you cannot change the meaning you have to take the apparent. To say otherwise the burden of proof is upon you.
What is the meaning of Ayah 4 of Suratu Taha [Ar-Rahmanu ^Alal ^Arshistawa] الرحمن على العرش استوى? Imam Malik said, “Allah attributed Himself with the Istawa' that befits Him. It is invalid to say how; and how does not apply to Him.” The how-characteristics are descriptions of the created. Only the created can be described with sitting, settling and occupying a place. The word istawa has 15 meanings, among them are to subjugate, to preserve, and to maintain. It also implies physically-oriented meanings such as to sit, to settle and to stabilize. It is blasphemy to apply to Allah to physical meanings of the creations such as to sit. The words preserve and subjugate are meanings that comply with the religion and the Arabic language. Al-Qushayriyy explained the meaning of istawa' in this Ayah as, to preserve, subdue and maintain. It cannot be believed that Allah sits on the Throne as this belies Ayah 74 of Suratul-Nahl which means, “Do not liken Allah to any of His creation.” Surat Ibrahim, Ayah 48 means, “And the slaves will be resurrected to face the judgment of Allah, the One, the Subduer.” Imam Aliyy said, “Allah created the Throne as an indication of His Power and not to take it as a place for himself.” (Related by Abu Mansur Al-Baghdadiyy.)
@IbnMohammadAlHaqqby affirming the name “Al Malik” to Allah you aren’t implying Allah has body parts or attributing physicality to Allah but if one were to say say Allah has hands but they are not like ours hands that person would be implying Allah has body body which is Tajsim.
Abdul Haleem is absolutely clueless he’s all over the place, this is his reality on camera and behind the screen he displays bad manners and speaks with a lot of Zeal but in person he can’t respond his tone changes and is a different person, Ustadh contacted / spoke to Abdul Haleem on the phone on July 23rd, Ustadh wanted to meet him in person to have a discussion but Abdul Haleem doing what Deobandiis do best he started making excuses and did a farar
Its abit contradictory to say to moulana that u need to read the book cover to cover when majorty of the people dont do the same regarding another madhab..... majorty of the learnerd brothers this day and age all pick out quotes from the books have no knowledge of the principles of that madhab and then lecture someone else...... also my advice to moulana is that he should sit with bro ahsaan as he seems sincere and has a good way dialogue both should sit and discuss the issues of aqeedah and bring there adeela and have it recorded
So you mean Allah is bound to Al Arsh, is he confined to Arsh and cannot disconnect from it. That is like someone sitting on a thrown.Astaghfirullah. I am not an Aalim but that meaning makes Allah a limited being.
Who told you that affirming that Allah established himself over the throne as stated in multiple ayat in the Quran means that He is sitting? Why is it difficult for these mutakalimeen to just say "We hear and we obey" and not go beyond that? Your 'logic' is limited, so is your brain, clearly, so just accept the ayah without asking "How?" This is how Allah described Himself in the Quran, so who are we as Muslims to draw any interpretation other than what is apparent and what the companions held? May Allah forgive us all and guide us to the straight path
You dont believe Allah is qadir over confining his Zaat on arsh only? If you say 'No' then its kuffer bro. Allah is limited above the throne in terms of his zaat only not on bases of His ability.
Its clearly Imam Ahmad said in dham at ta’wil of Imam ibn qudama Rahmatullahi. Allah is above throne means he was not touching it nor it was close to it. How come this salafi Allah is above throne means he is literally above it wa iyyazubillah. Mind boggling to believe that throne is containing Allah wa iyyazubillah. No one from the salaf said that Allah is contained by the throne. if you believe in that you are a jahmi.
Bring me evidence which Salafi scholar that said "Allah is contained by the throne". The fact that taking the verse as is made you think "Allah is contained by the throne" this statement alone lets me know that you indirectly do Tashbeeh. As soon as you hear the verse of the Quran talking about Allah being above the throne, you guys compare Him to his creation, then you jump to making Ta'weel. Being "contained" by something can ONLY be attributed to the Mukhluq and not the Khaliq. The position of Ahlul Sunnah is we hear and accept what's written in the Quran and Sunnah, without making Tashbeeh, Ta'weel, Taatil, and Takeef. We say Allah raised above the throne in a way which befits Him SWT. Btw your name says al-Shafi'i, you know what Shafi'i's position is on Ilm ul Kalam lol? How you claim Shafi'i and support he thing which he hated.
@@Fvrside giving an apparent meaning is a form of ta’wil. The thing is we just narrate from the books without giving a meaning or denying it and without likening it to the creation. You can go to the books of Al Albani that he made a statment istiwa means istiqrar, that the istiqrar means settlement which was used by the muqatiliyyah.
@@ShafiAshari “giving a apparent meaning is Taweel” Akhi please go and read the definition of Taweel. Taking the apparent meaning is definitely not Taweel lol. Giving a interpretation that is distorted of an apparent verse is Taweel. Second of all “you can go to the books of Albani” is not a reference Akhi, if your so sure that this is his position you should have no problems actually quoting from his books along with the reference. So please Akhi, show me this claim if what your saying is true.
@@Fvrside I think you should the believe of Khatib Al Baghdadi in syar A’lam an nubala by Imam Dhahabi. Taking the apparent meaning is diffent from the silent upon what is apparent. Go on can you give me a quote from the salaf take the literal meaning of the attribute and we know it, I can give you the opposite that the salaf are being silent upon the narration that speak on the attributes of Allah. then if you claim to know the apparent meaning for example the hand of Allah? what does Hand mean when it comes to Allah?if you are going to say it is not a limb?then what is then?since you claim you guys know it.
@@ShafiAshari No problem I can bring you a list of the Salaf, and bring reference for each of them taking the apparent, believing them, denying Kaffiyah, and not doing Tashbeeh, Ta’weel, Tamthil. As for Khatib Al Baghdadi this is what his opinion was, reference “Dham At-Tawil” by Ibn Qudamah. Al-Khateeb Al-Baghdadi (d. 463 H.) : “ As for speech regarding the Attributes, then what has been reported in the authentic Sunan (books of Hadith), the way of the Salaf is to affirm them, and to carry them upon their dhahir (apparent meaning), and to deny (knowledge of) kayfiyyah (i.e. Their true nature, how they are) and to negate tashbeeh (likening or resemblance to creation) for them… and the principle in this matter is: That speaking about the Attributes is a branch of speaking about the Essence (Dhat), and thus follows it exactly and takes its example. So if it was known that the affirmation of the Lord (Rabb) of all the worlds is an affirmation of existence, and not the affirmation of the true nature (i.e. the how-ness, kayfiyyah of the Essence), it would be the same with the Attributes, it is an affirmation of their existence (that Allah does have these Attributes) and not affirmation of defining (their nature) and speaking of its kayfiyyah (how they are).” (5)
Why did the so called salfie run away from the debate? They were suppose to debate and agreed upon the conditions and then your so called salfie ran from the debate. Batil will always run
I dont think location or space is an actual physical thing because if you affirm this it appears that if space exists eternally then something co eternally exited with Alllah which is false, however if its just unoccupied area, and nothing, then saying he is in a direction is just describing the posistions between 2 objects and not a physical object in of itself, like you can bein front of a wall, and then turn around but be at the same spot and now the wall is behind, the direction changed despite you still being in the same spot and simply is describing the relationship of how 2 objects are between each other, so saying Allah is above the throne without likeness and without him being stuck in creation is entirely logical
@@MBeats27 Salafies never said nor do they say Allah has a location, this is a lie, a slander which is just increasing the division and fitnah among Muslims.
While explaining this verse of ‘Allah’s rising above the Throne’, Hafiz Ibn Katheer has written, ‘We must thread the path of the Mazhab of the pious predecessors like that of Malik, Al Awzaa’ie, Thawri, Laith bin Sa’ad, Shafi, Ahmad, Ishaq bin Rahaway and others besides them from the leaders of the Muslims of the past and present. (They held firm to the view) that this should be accepted in the same way it is mentioned without describing a mode, a semblance or likeness and without negating it’.
" Mowlaana " kept on pointing upwards so.... he just wants to hide the truth
Unity is far greater in our condition than squabbling over masali that have been debated for centuries.
Unite upon Haqq not batil, this mas'ala is not trivial, in fact it's a foundation
@@nahimwasit well said. JazakAllahu khayr
by this logic, let’s unite w the shias because the debate between sunnis and shias has been going on for 100’s of years
@@idreceghadie Fantastic point.
Did anyone keep count of how many times this Deobandi Mawlana kept pointing upwards when referring to Allah?
He can deny it as much as he wants, but deep down inside he knows that Allah is above the Heavens, he is an evidence against himself.
Some timestamps of the Deobandi Mawlana pointing upwards when referring to Allah:
10:02 - "... we leave the meaning to Allah";
17:02 - "Allah is watching me";
17:34 - "I swear by Allah";
18:46 - "I swear by Allah"
19:26
Questioned about why he pointed up when he said "Wallahi" (i.e referring to Allah) and his futile response.
Too many
His answer was mouth shuting
You don't want to accept
The answer "That's The Qibla"
Allah is not in one specific place
Allah is not on a chair
"I was pointing towards the qiblah!" I could have fallen off my chair laughing.
At 17' 35", Maulana sahib says, "I swear by Allah," pointing upwards to the sky as Ustadh Ehsan pointed out.
I hope the discussion is recorded, Inshallah.
@@ayyubvernon1557 I’m talking about the discussion between Br ehsan and the other guy and his partner that they talked about in this video. Tachyons*
Where is Allah? Allah is above the heavens ☝️
So he’s restricted?
@@Flyingtoohardtofly Are you saying the Sahabah RadhiAllahu Anhum have restricted Allah?
@@ExtremeShez no I’m saying Wahabi’s have
@@Flyingtoohardtofly No, you're saying the Sahabah RadhiAllahu Anhum have restricted Allah.
@@ExtremeShez did Sahaba also say that Allah has body parts?
Poor guy (hanafi mullah), I kinda feel bad for him. But then so much deception it has to be exposed as they are misguiding them selves and others.
If the sanad of the book of salaf is saheeh you cannot say you dont believe it to be attributed. Then you have to discuss about hujjiat of sanad. And if you dont accept khabar waahid then the discussion should be about hujjiat of khabar waahid. If the foundation is not laid how can there be debate? And you cannot change the meaning you have to take the apparent. To say otherwise the burden of proof is upon you.
What is the meaning of Ayah 4 of Suratu Taha [Ar-Rahmanu ^Alal ^Arshistawa] الرحمن على العرش استوى?
Imam Malik said, “Allah attributed Himself with the Istawa' that befits Him. It is invalid to say how; and how does not apply to Him.” The how-characteristics are descriptions of the created. Only the created can be described with sitting, settling and occupying a place. The word istawa has 15 meanings, among them are to subjugate, to preserve, and to maintain. It also implies physically-oriented meanings such as to sit, to settle and to stabilize. It is blasphemy to apply to Allah to physical meanings of the creations such as to sit. The words preserve and subjugate are meanings that comply with the religion and the Arabic language. Al-Qushayriyy explained the meaning of istawa' in this Ayah as, to preserve, subdue and maintain. It cannot be believed that Allah sits on the Throne as this belies Ayah 74 of Suratul-Nahl which means, “Do not liken Allah to any of His creation.” Surat Ibrahim, Ayah 48 means, “And the slaves will be resurrected to face the judgment of Allah, the One, the Subduer.” Imam Aliyy said, “Allah created the Throne as an indication of His Power and not to take it as a place for himself.” (Related by Abu Mansur Al-Baghdadiyy.)
@IbnMohammadAlHaqqby affirming the name “Al Malik” to Allah you aren’t implying Allah has body parts or attributing physicality to Allah but if one were to say say Allah has hands but they are not like ours hands that person would be implying Allah has body body which is Tajsim.
Even tho they caught Molana Abdul Haleem off guard but still they couldn't disgrace him
it was obvious the molana had no idea
Abdul Haleem is a ignorant man he is all over the place loool
They didnt want to disgrace him rather to call him towards tawbah from his distortions. It was not a debate. Your mawlana had been lying senselessly.
Is this the guy deobandis seriously look upto. Put him in a room with ARH for 10 mins he'll come out a changed man
May Allah guide Abdul Hakeem.
On the black thobe is Ust. Ehsan Arshad
Hanafi fiqh 💪🏻
It's not fiqh though 🤣
@@maxpain5555 hanafi Mazhab
Jahmi aqeeda
@@osamamanan2723 What did Ibn Taymiyyah رحمه الله say about those who compare the madhab of Abu Hasan al-Ashari رضي الله عنه and the Jahmiyyah?
@@-Ahmed8592 there are common traits between jahmia and ashaira. However abu hassan ashari did rujpo from them.
Abdul Haleem is a legend!! They tried to ambush him but he defended himself well. Mash-Allah
He exposed his ignorance dear brother.
No offense my brother, but he was running away in the end
Brother I think you put other way 😢
Liar go to hell. Bro
Bro are you delusional?? What where u watching?
17:34 look where he points
Maulana index finger pointing up and eyes looking up.
Fitrah Allah ta'ala is above the heavens
Abdul Haleem is absolutely clueless he’s all over the place, this is his reality on camera and behind the screen he displays bad manners and speaks with a lot of Zeal but in person he can’t respond his tone changes and is a different person, Ustadh contacted / spoke to Abdul Haleem on the phone on July 23rd, Ustadh wanted to meet him in person to have a discussion but Abdul Haleem doing what Deobandiis do best he started making excuses and did a farar
Maturidi: my mind is made up - don't bother me with the facts.
Its abit contradictory to say to moulana that u need to read the book cover to cover when majorty of the people dont do the same regarding another madhab.....
majorty of the learnerd brothers this day and age all pick out quotes from the books have no knowledge of the principles of that madhab and then lecture someone else...... also my advice to moulana is that he should sit with bro ahsaan as he seems sincere and has a good way dialogue both should sit and discuss the issues of aqeedah and bring there adeela and have it recorded
The disrespect is you confront the Molana on street with your group of people uninvited and laughing and mocking
True
These salafis are like street dogs
Actually the molana took him to his own house! So stop playing the victim.
They do that all the time
So you mean Allah is bound to Al Arsh, is he confined to Arsh and cannot disconnect from it. That is like someone sitting on a thrown.Astaghfirullah. I am not an Aalim but that meaning makes Allah a limited being.
Who told you that affirming that Allah established himself over the throne as stated in multiple ayat in the Quran means that He is sitting? Why is it difficult for these mutakalimeen to just say "We hear and we obey" and not go beyond that? Your 'logic' is limited, so is your brain, clearly, so just accept the ayah without asking "How?" This is how Allah described Himself in the Quran, so who are we as Muslims to draw any interpretation other than what is apparent and what the companions held? May Allah forgive us all and guide us to the straight path
You dont believe Allah is qadir over confining his Zaat on arsh only? If you say 'No' then its kuffer bro. Allah is limited above the throne in terms of his zaat only not on bases of His ability.
Mullawana has lost his mind
He was surrounded by dogs
Mawla hum
Love Molana Abdul haleem sher islam
Its clearly Imam Ahmad said in dham at ta’wil of Imam ibn qudama Rahmatullahi. Allah is above throne means he was not touching it nor it was close to it. How come this salafi Allah is above throne means he is literally above it wa iyyazubillah.
Mind boggling to believe that throne is containing Allah wa iyyazubillah. No one from the salaf said that Allah is contained by the throne. if you believe in that you are a jahmi.
Bring me evidence which Salafi scholar that said "Allah is contained by the throne". The fact that taking the verse as is made you think "Allah is contained by the throne" this statement alone lets me know that you indirectly do Tashbeeh. As soon as you hear the verse of the Quran talking about Allah being above the throne, you guys compare Him to his creation, then you jump to making Ta'weel. Being "contained" by something can ONLY be attributed to the Mukhluq and not the Khaliq. The position of Ahlul Sunnah is we hear and accept what's written in the Quran and Sunnah, without making Tashbeeh, Ta'weel, Taatil, and Takeef. We say Allah raised above the throne in a way which befits Him SWT. Btw your name says al-Shafi'i, you know what Shafi'i's position is on Ilm ul Kalam lol? How you claim Shafi'i and support he thing which he hated.
@@Fvrside giving an apparent meaning is a form of ta’wil. The thing is we just narrate from the books without giving a meaning or denying it and without likening it to the creation.
You can go to the books of Al Albani that he made a statment istiwa means istiqrar, that the istiqrar means settlement which was used by the muqatiliyyah.
@@ShafiAshari “giving a apparent meaning is Taweel” Akhi please go and read the definition of Taweel. Taking the apparent meaning is definitely not Taweel lol. Giving a interpretation that is distorted of an apparent verse is Taweel. Second of all “you can go to the books of Albani” is not a reference Akhi, if your so sure that this is his position you should have no problems actually quoting from his books along with the reference. So please Akhi, show me this claim if what your saying is true.
@@Fvrside I think you should the believe of Khatib Al Baghdadi in syar A’lam an nubala by Imam Dhahabi.
Taking the apparent meaning is diffent from the silent upon what is apparent.
Go on can you give me a quote from the salaf take the literal meaning of the attribute and we know it, I can give you the opposite that the salaf are being silent upon the narration that speak on the attributes of Allah.
then if you claim to know the apparent meaning for example the hand of Allah? what does Hand mean when it comes to Allah?if you are going to say it is not a limb?then what is then?since you claim you guys know it.
@@ShafiAshari No problem I can bring you a list of the Salaf, and bring reference for each of them taking the apparent, believing them, denying Kaffiyah, and not doing Tashbeeh, Ta’weel, Tamthil. As for Khatib Al Baghdadi this is what his opinion was, reference “Dham At-Tawil” by Ibn Qudamah.
Al-Khateeb Al-Baghdadi (d. 463 H.) : “ As for speech regarding the Attributes, then what has been reported in the authentic Sunan (books of Hadith), the way of the Salaf is to affirm them, and to carry them upon their dhahir (apparent meaning), and to deny (knowledge of) kayfiyyah (i.e. Their true nature, how they are) and to negate tashbeeh (likening or resemblance to creation) for them… and the principle in this matter is: That speaking about the Attributes is a branch of speaking about the Essence (Dhat), and thus follows it exactly and takes its example. So if it was known that the affirmation of the Lord (Rabb) of all the worlds is an affirmation of existence, and not the affirmation of the true nature (i.e. the how-ness, kayfiyyah of the Essence), it would be the same with the Attributes, it is an affirmation of their existence (that Allah does have these Attributes) and not affirmation of defining (their nature) and speaking of its kayfiyyah (how they are).” (5)
this youngster salafis shows arrogant and have no addhab they are, yet you attribute your selves to the salaf?mocking and laughing.
Typical deobandi's, may Allah guide them
Why did the so called salfie run away from the debate? They were suppose to debate and agreed upon the conditions and then your so called salfie ran from the debate. Batil will always run
@@nasamin5972 you’re thick, seriously
@@asharibasha you are mentally retarded seriously
@@nasamin5972 probably some deobandi hindu derived sihr. Most are involved in it
@@mustafizkhan6030 any prof of that. I bet you, you can't back up your claim
you went from running arshad 😂😂😂😂 why are you running😂.
Yo why did u delete your other comments ?
Hes a Jahmi negator who cant use sound reasoning@@mohammedmonshur8339
Allah has a location??? Jesus??
I dont think location or space is an actual physical thing because if you affirm this it appears that if space exists eternally then something co eternally exited with Alllah which is false, however if its just unoccupied area, and nothing, then saying he is in a direction is just describing the posistions between 2 objects and not a physical object in of itself, like you can bein front of a wall, and then turn around but be at the same spot and now the wall is behind, the direction changed despite you still being in the same spot and simply is describing the relationship of how 2 objects are between each other, so saying Allah is above the throne without likeness and without him being stuck in creation is entirely logical
Exactly salafi's think they are muslims
Who said Allah has a location? Give me proof?
@@nazmulslater8398 ask the wahabis
@@MBeats27 Salafies never said nor do they say Allah has a location, this is a lie, a slander which is just increasing the division and fitnah among Muslims.
Bradford mulla got bummed by the wahabis
Wat a clown got caught red handed deobandis should be Ashamed full stop.
Surrounded by 4 people
Come and debate
Don't surround him like a street dogs
@@gamerpro1558 dogs got nothing to do with the Haqq. Dogs got everything to do with grave worshipping bidah and kufr n shirk
@@gamerpro1558 Yes he's a miskeen they treated him so poorly right? He's a grown man choosing to debate, no one coerced him lol grow up
@@mustafao477 do you know how Islamic scholars debate ? With details books
Not on the street like this with 1 person surrounded by group
@@tonyem4753 why didn't your so called salfie debate molana after agreeing upon the conditions? Batil will always run