I often sit in my van and reflect that we need to try to make as much space as possible serve two purposes. Lovely to see you going for this principle so elegantly.
Suggestion for shower cabinet: have the bottom half with toilet slide out toward drivers seat. It allows you to remove the toilet from the shower stall without having to touch the toilet. Also it allows toilet use without having to open upper “dresser” door.
Another great design George, I think I like this design better, in a 144 wheelbase van being able to double or triple duty certain areas is a great way giving more in a small space, you certainly achieved that with this design
We may or may not use your solutions on our build- but we will absolutely use your approach in design and functionality! As we listen to the van. Thanks again for all your guidance!
Humble Road Academy! I’m in the middle of cardboard city on a Promaster 3500 build right now. I’ve built it and broken it down three times so far. Your approach is truly eye opening. Your 144 looks bigger than my 159 extended 😳. Onward to version four, lol.
Living LARGE takes on New meaning when living van life!! You take it from all directions making you extra special as your ways see from all sides and then another side noone knows yet even you!! BRILLIANT!!!!!
I see many multiple use areas to suit the customer. Your innovation and vision allow you to flex with the customer’s needs and desires and that is a skill to be respected. I love the back dinette area with a view and could see it being my ‘go to’ spot if the 144 were mine. Have a great Sunday George!
BRILLIANT design! Maybe call this the origami van. You created luxurious open space in a cargo area the same size as a contractor's van. It's obvious you fully immerse yourself into a design that feels & lives as the client would. What an extraordinary level of caring & commitment. Just another reason we love you & Humble Road George!
Those mock-ups are such a marvelous tool for helping the customer (in my case, me) have a strong 3-D comprehension of the layout before it is built. I've been collecting large cardboard boxes with the right dimensions to simulate before building in hope of giving myself some opportunity to explore before committing saw to wood. (Also, I'm such a newbie that I'm a little afraid of my saw, er, I mean I have a healthy respect for it, lol.) Thanks for the inspiration and generous sharing of knowledge with those who can't afford you. But you're on my bucket list! Applause, applause for your 100k milestone! 🏆
Clever x5!!! You're solution for the galley counter space caught me completely off-guard, and yet at once, I recognized the beauty and effectiveness of this ingenious little hack. As for the armoir -- the toilet should move out separetly, so it can stay dry when the shower is in use, while also being able to use it outside of the shower cabinet (less cramped than in there, as long as the window covers or curtain is closed). Cheers!...from North Vancouver PS -- Congrats on 100K!!!
THIS is the kind of video I have been searching for! Anytime I build something (cabinets, barbeque, sheds) I make a scale model of foam board to get the real feel of the build and scope out inconsistencies and potential issues. Your videos are on my watchlist now! THANK YOU!! Great ideas and a logical approach! *SUBSCRIBING!*
I figured there was no way I could live in a short wb van, but then you go and demonstrate that it's not only possible, but can even be achieved without compromise, with some forethought. Well done, George!
George, your creativity and innovation never cease to amaze me! In regards to the dinette design: 1a. When the dinette is in bed mode will it utilize a proper mattress or dinette cushions for sleeping? 1b. If it utilizes a mattress, where will it be stowed with not used? 1c. When the dinette is in kitchen counter mode where will the dinette cushions be stowed? 1d. I would suggest not using Velcro to adhere the back cushions as it will interfere with operations when the dinette backs becomes the countertop surface. 1e. It may be easier to just factor in flip up countertop extensions, since you states that you gave the customer move room than requested. 2. Since the customer requested a 28” pass through for both cargo doors, I wonder if that space could be used for sleeping, as it’s the same width as the dinette? I’ve seen many van designs that utilize retracting heavy duty “seatbelt” like straps in lieu of a happiJac.
@@asnormal1362 long time watcher, long time commenter! I greatly appreciate your points, thank you! Sometimes more input helps the process as George stated in this video referencing the numerous valuable comments. I’m looking forward to the future chapters in this build.
@MikeKilo1969 Agreed! (PS: Please know I respect your ideas & questions. I only meant to express that I expect answers to your Q's would likely show up in upcoming videos. Nothing was implied between the lines. I was being lighthearted & hope I didn't offend you 😔)
@@asnormal1362 I apologize if my response across the wrong way, I was literally sitting in church and typing seconds before service began. 😂 No offense taken on my end, and certainly none given. I have complete confidence in George and his team and look forward to future innovations.
So where are your oven/stove/microwave??? I guess I'll need to look at this again. Nice solution for the shower. Can't wait for the final design and waterproofing.
The shower sounds real interesting. I personally dont want anything on the outside. No boxes or storage containers. I see those as an open invitation to the theives out there.
I ❤️ the comparisons from the 1st video and the 2nd updated one. I definitely think the 2nd one is more living friendly, which is fundamental for sustainable van life. 18:08
The way you demonstrate the future builds for your customers proves that you are a true professional. Would you mind sharing the length of 144wb from behind the driver seat to the rear door please? I’m trying to figure out how much cargo space is available in 144 to build. Thanks
OMG!!! I don't think I commented on the other video, because I didn't want to be critical of someone else's design requirements! The one time that I kept my trap closed, and you improve the design! I love that you better utilized the sliding door on the driver's side and kept it more open! I would.... Move the dinette, bed up where the shower box and fridge are, in front of the sliding doors. Move the shower box to the back with the entry at the end of the long hall and shower to the driver's side. To the passenger side of the shower would be an appliance garage and below that the garage for her bike, accessed from the rear. The pantry could go forward of the shower box on the driver's side. The fridge could be forward of the pantry on the driver's side, over the wheel well Countertop between the appliance garage all the way to the dinette Countertop forward of the fridge to the dinette. I know that messes with your closet design. I'm sorry. Also, I think there should be a moveable ottoman... maybe just the right size to fit between the front seats so it is out of the way if needed... but can be an ottoman when sitting in a dinette seat...and the top comes off to reveal a trash can...so when cooking, the top is off and the trash is accessible... or the trash can be put outside when having outside gatherings. I just never liked the trash can inside of a cabinet....and I like ottomans. Where did that paper towel come from? George! You are truly a magician!
Congratulations on 100,000 subscribers!!! I've been watching for years and knew it would happen, just a question of when. Always love when you drop a new video on a Sunday morning.
Yes. I like the full pass through idea. The fold up extended shelf kitchen idea is great! I like it. I'm scratching my head on the bicycle stowing idea... If this is a Solo Traveler, how about removing the front seat and stowing the bike there? Still scratching my head on that one. Nice van! I like the double sliding doors. Nice van layout.
If the van is being used full time as a tiny house/everyday vehicle, even a solo traveler might still want a passenger seat (for a friend or even a dog!) Tempting storage space though.
wow, I own a 144 for work so I fully understand the size limitations. I wish I could sleep horizontally in such a small space. sometimes it sucks being 6'4"
Excellent layout. The pullout armoire is exactly what I plan to do in my next build, so I'm looking forward to getting inspiration from what you come up with. I think your client will want the water tabk under the dinette. The fridge and shower hall seems way too tight with the fridge raised 10in. Moving the water tank to the dinette seat would g8ve your client 33+ gal of fresh water, lower the fridge, and efficiently use the space around the wheel well. Might it make even more sense to put the sink and wheel well water tank on the driver's side? This would eliminate a lot of excess plumbing (though you may not have enough space for the water heater).
My client does not want 33 gallons of fresh water. As with lithium, bigger is not better. Additionally, placing a water tank, or anything of substantial weight behind the rear axle is a recipe for disaster.
I have a dual sliding door van as well, albeit a Promaster, and I’m also building a dinette in the rear that converts to a bed. I use the driver sliding door all the time and would miss it if it was built closed. For a daily driver I use this to load my groceries, put the dogs in the van, etc. And sometimes you’ll have a campsite where you want to be nose in and not backing in. As for the dinette, I’ll be using heavy duty drawer slides to make up the bed. Making the bed twice a day is chore enough, I don’t want to mess with the Lagun table top as bed support. Just slide out the drawer slide, move the cushions into place and done. I’m also rolling my bedding as one so that I don’t have to fiddle with a fitted sheet. I use a thin topper that is enclosed in a removable, washable cover, like a pillow case, to give it more body and so that the “sheet” stays in place. Rolling out this bedding takes 2 seconds. I often use the rear doors to enter and exit, as those doors are just easier to open and close than those heavy sliders. Not to mention quieter late at night.
I too was thinking that drawer slides that pull out from under the dinette seats might work. What then would be used as a bed platform for the mattress? Would separate platform pieces already be attached to the slides on each side? For a dining surface, perhaps a lagun table bracket could be attached on the side of one of the benches & the table swung between the seats. At night, the lagun table would need to be swung back out of the way of course & even swung over a countertop or removed to make the aisle clear for easy access to the toilet at the front of the van. A handy spot would be needed to stow that table top too. Have you worked out any of this in your van?
Reg. drawer slides mattress platform: the mattress rests on a slat system. When you pull the “drawer” out every other slat gets pulled out with it. Tons of photos and videos for this online, it’s a very common setup.
Oh, I get it now. Yeah, those camper style pull out beds are great space savers. I was thinking of the individual metal sliders as George uses them a lot. Sometimes they are spanned for a pull out table, seat, or a storage base so maybe for a bed too but I've not seen that done. The dual sliding doors are rare on a full size van. Can we see your van build on UA-cam or insta?
Very creative in the back. I still think the best use of space I’ve ever seen in a small rv is Earthcruiser. They use the entry way as the bathroom and shower.
Hi George! Lá Fhéile Pádraig sona duit or Happy St. Patrick's Day to you! In Italian that would be Buon giorno di San Patrizio! Since you hail from New Jersey/ New York and the Irish and Italians have some history there. I like this van layout too! Nice open and airy feeling, though the previous one was more practical I think. You still managed a marvelous workflow space. The expanding kitchen space is sheer genius, wow! A huge U-shaped galley with open rear doors for venting greasy fumes. The shower /wardrobe box is another piece of genius. What keeps bothering me though, is how you will encase the glide extensions to prevent rust from water, and moisture penetrating the holes in the screws, etc. How is that to be achieved? Maybe hang it from the ceiling and wheels below? Very curious to see how you solve this problem. Your solutions are so intelligent. Thanks for another great tour!
George,thank you for this video with the cardboard mark up and some measurements. I have been thinking about the net or inside dimensions of the shower. Some builder's make a split galley. I like the space behind the front seats and full aisle walk through.
As noted by others, the problem with the Stowaway is it makes the "Small" van longer. . The bike box on the outside of the door would be quite a high lift?.
Hi Humble Road, the new design is very nice (open and airy like).👏 Because the alleyway between the shower and fridge is 20 inches, it seems feasible that one could trip on the lip on the shower stall. Is it possible to build the shower stall without a lib on the floor, may be with a wooden grill with a shower pan underneath and flush with the alleyway and a vertical shower door that you pull down like a garage door? Or extend the wooden shower grill (and pan) all the way to the fridge (so there is no lip) and turn the area into a semi mud room so any splash is contained…..🧐
Interesting point but as the lip runs parallel to the aisle, you're walking past it, not over it, most of the time. It shouldn't be more of a trip hazard than a home walk-in shower stall. The garage style door is an interesting concept. In a high top van, there might be room for the roll-up over the shower but it would depend upon the height of the client & the space needed to stand up straight in the shower box. The door would need to be wiped dry after every shower so the door roll wouldn't be a container for the residual moisture. Have any of you out there seen a roll up door successfully used in a van build?
Hey George, thanks for all the extremely entertaining and informative videos over the years. Doesn't extending the backside of the van so much with something like a hitch cargo box negate the advantages of having the shorter van to travel in?
When one actually has the opportunity to live in such a small space, it becomes quickly obvious that you need more space to live comfortably and practically and with the hitch mounted box mounted as high as it is, it negates any problem with curves, or even rear end collisions. The advantage of driving a small van is not just in the length of the chassis. The wheelbase itself is an advantage.
Your channel, designs, knowledge, expertise, etc. is invaluable, thank you! What do customers do when issues arise, or parts needed, things going wrong, troubleshooting, etc.? First thought is that there is less of it (with your hands of gold lol) than one would have with assembly line builds, but just wondering? Solo traveler, first time would be camper van purchaser looking at Solis Pocket but hesitating as to if it is worth the cost above chassis for assembly line installation, parts, etc. if any of this makes sense from a newbie if you or any followers have time to comment:) (Looking for best value, not cheapest build.) TIA!
My advice for a newbie is this; purchase a good condition used Pleasure Way class B. Get out there and live it. Right now, you don't know what you don't know! When you have traveled in that Pleasure Way for 2 years, come see me.
Morning George Do could you do the toilet so it slides under the armoire when you want to shower but stays in the shower box when you just need to use the toilet?
If your client is ok lifting the bike high enough for an external box(?) I would still suggest that inside storage (on the door or otherwise?) may be better from a security perspective. . Is there scope to raise the whole floor in the seating area? Maybe 6-8"? If you're just "sitting" you don't need the head height ? . Raising the seat boxes as well, that might give enough area to have a bike cubby under the seat on one side, opening to the rear and sliding in? Then, under floor storage? . A floor raise may require a slight revision of the upper cabinet, but low storage may be more practical? . Another option for the "central floor" section if raised, a rear slideout tray. (Inspiration, the "Van City Vanlife" UA-cam channel) That van carries A LOT of gear in the tray.... Worth a look. . Thought development. ... 7-8" rased floor. Full width slide tray. No "van rear face" on one seat box. Open that van door "180°". Slide the full tray out. Stand beside the tray. Lift/ mount the bike on the tray. Slide in (bike under seat) . The rest of the tray could have configurable dividers suitable for purpose. . That's a potential extra 6.5ft³ or more of shallow easy access storage (4'×2.5'x 8"), plus the bike?
Extra storage under a raised floor works really well in some van builds but it turned out to be a deal breaker in the (used) high top 144" Sprinter that I bought late last year. The van came with dinette seating in the back just like the van in this video. It also has a raised floor there for the storage similar to what you describe. The raised floor prevents my feet from dangling when I sit there which is very nice! Above the dinette is a Happy Jack elevator bed. It all was great space-saving design but with use, I found I never just sat on those benches. I passed through that area numerous times a day or I needed to get something that was stored in one of the benches. With the raised floor, the head room in that area (which is almost half of the living space) is 1-½" short of what I need to stand up straight. That's the deal breaker & I'll be selling the van. The design may work well for someone who would use it for weekends or for short vacays though. It's just something to consider depending on one's use of the van.
Respectfully, the Stow-A-Way box is a great product but it ultimately it makes the van as long, or longer, than a 177”. Kinda defeats the purpose of getting a 144” in the first place. If the buyer really wants the bicycle on the back wouldn’t a bicycle carrier with a hard cover provide the same service while keeping the van as short as possible? There are also bicycle travel cases that could be mounted to the back door like a spare tire. Again, keeping the length of the van as short as possible. The new floor plan is fantastic.
What do you think about putting reflective close cell material all over the cargo area and then the thinsulate 600 you’ve mentioned? For a van in warmer climates I would think this reflective material would more effectively dissipate that heat outward prior to reaching the thinsulate. It could also double as a sound barrier. Secondly, When you speak of this water tank being better by the door, is this for filling purposes only?
@HumbleRoad I’ve been brainstorming on how I can have a “closet” attached to the inside of the sliding door. No more than 3” in depth for clearance when opening. When closed the thin closet would open up revealing a water proof back and inside door, with a corner shower pan that would fold down on a hinge. A curved Nautalis shower door would be attached to the sliding door also and glide along the shower pan once folded down. If I can figure out the shower head and mixer placement, it would be quite the space saver in my floor plan. Yeah…..I know…a picture is worth a thousand words.
Dumb suggestion for the bike storage. What if, instead of doing a vertical box or the swing-away option you built a horizontal "deck" at around bumper height with a storage drawer that could fit her bike horizontally? She wouldn't have to lift as high potentially and it would give her a nice outdoor space to put a chair or just sit if she didn't want to open the rear doors. Because it'd be bumper height it wouldn't interfere with the opening/closing of the doors. You'd have to make sure there would still be enough ground clearance, but I can't see the folded bike being too much thicker than the bumper if you laid it down. Obviously, a fabrication job, but might be a really cool feature that adds some flexibility. Probably stupid, but figured I'd throw it out there.
Think about being out on a whim dusty trail it rains and you have to leave. You get a flat in six inches of mud. You may have to jack up the 144 twiced happy St Patrick Day.
Interesting. The customer is always right, but my gut feeling is that your first design is superior (and more innovative). Chef thinks she wants to open both doors but I predict she'll learn she sacrificed a perfect design for a feature she never uses.
Consider that the cargo area of this 144" Sprinter is the same as a contractor's van = tight, Now imagine living in that tiny amount of space. This new layout creates 2 incredibly spacious living areas yet still provides a ton of flexible counter space. That being said, the previous layout may absolutely be perfect for you & this layout absolutely perfect for her. Win - win yes?
The raised top of the fridge is a perfect place for the microwave. And don’t forget we need that space underneath for freshwater tank. You’ve got to make use of all the vertical space in such a small van.
This van is interesting. Seemed painfully obvious last week that we shouldn’t cover a door. Now, we’ve got way too much of a pinch point at the giant fridge. Also wondering if the days of playing with cardboard is any sort of a benefit over a few hours of 3d rendering on the computer?
When you can actually walk through a 3D rendering, let me know. Until then, the look on my client's faces when they step through the cardboard build is priceless.
Before I bought a house, I'd sure want to walk through it during the open house & not rely on a rendered drawing. From the 1st video, we know this van is going to be lived in as a home, not a vacay rental, so those cardboard build-outs would be an essential preview. Does that make sense?
Great ideas... But... . Watch your elbow... Working on that kitchenette.... Or backing up to the shower .. living... area. . Just an observation.... Move the fridge/freezer and water tank.....to the other side behind the shower....... So you can have an obstacle free space ... Hitting yourself is never a good time.
Did you forget to monitize this video? Maybe I was just so engrossed in the design and engineering of so much in so little, my mind just glossed over the ads.
Definitely a personal preference. As I mentioned, I have a Stowaway and I love it. It gobbles up so much stuff, it's very easy to use, and when the added length is a concern I merely go park out on the far reaches of the parking lot, back in over the median and all is well in Vanland!
I often sit in my van and reflect that we need to try to make as much space as possible serve two purposes. Lovely to see you going for this principle so elegantly.
Yes! Thank you!
George- you’re a genius!
You should open your own university of building camper vans
When you flipped up the backs of the dinette, I almost gave you a standing ovation.
Man, if ever there was a sign of patience it’s your cardboard mockups.
"Fail to prepare, prepare to fail" !!
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All of the mockups are ready now.
That makes remote configuration possible, as proven in this case.
Suggestion for shower cabinet: have the bottom half with toilet slide out toward drivers seat. It allows you to remove the toilet from the shower stall without having to touch the toilet. Also it allows toilet use without having to open upper “dresser” door.
I can't wait to see this shower/armoire concept come to life
This is the exact shower design that I want to do for my van. Have only seen 1 other van do it. Such a good use of dead space.
Another great design George, I think I like this design better, in a 144 wheelbase van being able to double or triple duty certain areas is a great way giving more in a small space, you certainly achieved that with this design
Truly AMAZING are your "endless" ideas for customizing each van build to your client's personal needs/wants ........ You are an Artist, George 👌👍👍👍👍👍
We may or may not use your solutions on our build- but we will absolutely use your approach in design and functionality! As we listen to the van. Thanks again for all your guidance!
Awesome, thank you!
Doing a cardboard mockup for the client is Elite Customer service. For the customer to be able to walkthrough and see the build is amazing.
Now that’s thinking in the box, outside the box and next to the box. Always love the multi-use space.
I like the 2nd option in the van with all the details! Beautifully presented.
Thanks so much!
congratulations for the 100K subscribers.
Thanks! 😃
Humble Road Academy! I’m in the middle of cardboard city on a Promaster 3500 build right now. I’ve built it and broken it down three times so far. Your approach is truly eye opening. Your 144 looks bigger than my 159 extended 😳. Onward to version four, lol.
Have fun!
I can’t wait to see how you seal the shower with the pull out wardrobe.
Yea! 100K!!! Congratulations!!!!!! So well deserved!!!! Thanks for sharing all your knowledge and adventures with us!!!
Thanks so much!!
So well deserved!!
Living LARGE takes on New meaning when living van life!! You take it from all directions making you extra special as your ways see from all sides and then another side noone knows yet even you!! BRILLIANT!!!!!
I see many multiple use areas to suit the customer. Your innovation and vision allow you to flex with the customer’s needs and desires and that is a skill to be respected. I love the back dinette area with a view and could see it being my ‘go to’ spot if the 144 were mine. Have a great Sunday George!
Customer service at its best.
Cardboard mockups make so much sense. Thanks George!
BRILLIANT design! Maybe call this the origami van. You created luxurious open space in a cargo area the same size as a contractor's van. It's obvious you fully immerse yourself into a design that feels & lives as the client would. What an extraordinary level of caring & commitment. Just another reason we love you & Humble Road George!
Those mock-ups are such a marvelous tool for helping the customer (in my case, me) have a strong 3-D comprehension of the layout before it is built.
I've been collecting large cardboard boxes with the right dimensions to simulate before building in hope of giving myself some opportunity to explore before committing saw to wood.
(Also, I'm such a newbie that I'm a little afraid of my saw, er, I mean I have a healthy respect for it, lol.)
Thanks for the inspiration and generous sharing of knowledge with those who can't afford you.
But you're on my bucket list!
Applause, applause for your 100k milestone! 🏆
Amazing. Your brain is fantastically working out new space solutions!😯😯
Clever x5!!!
You're solution for the galley counter space caught me completely off-guard, and yet at once, I recognized the beauty and effectiveness of this ingenious little hack. As for the armoir -- the toilet should move out separetly, so it can stay dry when the shower is in use, while also being able to use it outside of the shower cabinet (less cramped than in there, as long as the window covers or curtain is closed).
Cheers!...from North Vancouver
PS -- Congrats on 100K!!!
It’s amazing how the 144 lives completely different now. A guest could possibly sleep in a sleeping bag up front if ever needed. Love cardboard city.
Hammock.
Ceiling Eyelet between the front seats.
Another just in front of the rear cupboard.
Innovation in compact multiple use case designs. Love it.
Yes indeed!
THIS is the kind of video I have been searching for! Anytime I build something (cabinets, barbeque, sheds) I make a scale model of foam board to get the real feel of the build and scope out inconsistencies and potential issues.
Your videos are on my watchlist now!
THANK YOU!! Great ideas and a logical approach!
*SUBSCRIBING!*
Thank you and welcome to Humble Road!
Everything you do is an amazing combination of artistry and wizardry. But I don't get why the desire for big sinks in these small RVs.
I guess you’ve never had to work with a tiny sink
I figured there was no way I could live in a short wb van, but then you go and demonstrate that it's not only possible, but can even be achieved without compromise, with some forethought. Well done, George!
Good Morning George
Congratulations on 100k
Always Enjoy your Humble Road Videos !! Amazing Van’s !!
Awesome stuff George , tons of information for everyone to get that roomy flow going in our van build . Thanks from a UK Brother .
Have you ever considered using black 80/20?
Or, anodizing the stock aluminum? Dark gray, gold, or tan?
Or, maybe the orange and yellow of your logo?!
8020 is already anodized at the factory. to change the color or surface would mean stripping off the anodizing.
@@HumbleRoad - I found a couple places the stock different colors. One even stocked wood grain! Couldn't find white, though -- which would be ideal! 👍
Love the creativity.
George, your creativity and innovation never cease to amaze me!
In regards to the dinette design:
1a. When the dinette is in bed mode will it utilize a proper mattress or dinette cushions for sleeping?
1b. If it utilizes a mattress, where will it be stowed with not used?
1c. When the dinette is in kitchen counter mode where will the dinette cushions be stowed?
1d. I would suggest not using Velcro to adhere the back cushions as it will interfere with operations when the dinette backs becomes the countertop surface.
1e. It may be easier to just factor in flip up countertop extensions, since you states that you gave the customer move room than requested.
2. Since the customer requested a 28” pass through for both cargo doors, I wonder if that space could be used for sleeping, as it’s the same width as the dinette? I’ve seen many van designs that utilize retracting heavy duty “seatbelt” like straps in lieu of a happiJac.
I bet there's more to come on this van. Keep watching 🖥️ 👀 ❤️ . . .
@@asnormal1362 long time watcher, long time commenter! I greatly appreciate your points, thank you! Sometimes more input helps the process as George stated in this video referencing the numerous valuable comments. I’m looking forward to the future chapters in this build.
The Humble Road community is a valuable resource.
@MikeKilo1969 Agreed! (PS: Please know I respect your ideas & questions. I only meant to express that I expect answers to your Q's would likely show up in upcoming videos. Nothing was implied between the lines. I was being lighthearted & hope I didn't offend you 😔)
@@asnormal1362 I apologize if my response across the wrong way, I was literally sitting in church and typing seconds before service began. 😂 No offense taken on my end, and certainly none given. I have complete confidence in George and his team and look forward to future innovations.
Brilliant design ideas!
Congratulations on 100K subscribers! 🎉👍🥳
Congrats on reaching 100K subs!
Thank you!
As always, OPTIONS baby! ❤
So where are your oven/stove/microwave??? I guess I'll need to look at this again. Nice solution for the shower. Can't wait for the final design and waterproofing.
No gas! Induction cooker and a microwave. Top of fridge would be a nice spot for the micro.
Your cardboard build out would a reason why I'd use Humble Road it's an awesome idea
The shower sounds real interesting. I personally dont want anything on the outside. No boxes or storage containers. I see those as an open invitation to the theives out there.
Wonder if one of those back benches could open from the top but also double as a drawer unit that pulls out to the back? Like this van.👍
I ❤️ the comparisons from the 1st video and the 2nd updated one. I definitely think the 2nd one is more living friendly, which is fundamental for sustainable van life. 18:08
The way you demonstrate the future builds for your customers proves that you are a true professional.
Would you mind sharing the length of 144wb from behind the driver seat to the rear door please?
I’m trying to figure out how much cargo space is available in 144 to build.
Thanks
I love your meticulous approach to your van builds. Keep up the good work sir!
I've seen a video with the sliding closet in the shower but there's no detail. Really looking forward to your implementation!
OMG!!! I don't think I commented on the other video, because I didn't want to be critical of someone else's design requirements! The one time that I kept my trap closed, and you improve the design!
I love that you better utilized the sliding door on the driver's side and kept it more open!
I would....
Move the dinette, bed up where the shower box and fridge are, in front of the sliding doors.
Move the shower box to the back with the entry at the end of the long hall and shower to the driver's side. To the passenger side of the shower would be an appliance garage and below that the garage for her bike, accessed from the rear.
The pantry could go forward of the shower box on the driver's side.
The fridge could be forward of the pantry on the driver's side, over the wheel well
Countertop between the appliance garage all the way to the dinette
Countertop forward of the fridge to the dinette.
I know that messes with your closet design. I'm sorry.
Also, I think there should be a moveable ottoman... maybe just the right size to fit between the front seats so it is out of the way if needed... but can be an ottoman when sitting in a dinette seat...and the top comes off to reveal a trash can...so when cooking, the top is off and the trash is accessible... or the trash can be put outside when having outside gatherings. I just never liked the trash can inside of a cabinet....and I like ottomans.
Where did that paper towel come from? George! You are truly a magician!
All great ideas! None of them were on my must-have list from the client!
Congratulations on 100,000 subscribers!!! I've been watching for years and knew it would happen, just a question of when. Always love when you drop a new video on a Sunday morning.
Wow, your designs are so well thought out. Absolutely love it!
Yes. I like the full pass through idea. The fold up extended shelf kitchen idea is great! I like it. I'm scratching my head on the bicycle stowing idea... If this is a Solo Traveler, how about removing the front seat and stowing the bike there? Still scratching my head on that one. Nice van! I like the double sliding doors. Nice van layout.
If the van is being used full time as a tiny house/everyday vehicle, even a solo traveler might still want a passenger seat (for a friend or even a dog!) Tempting storage space though.
@@asnormal1362 Customize the area with built ins. Including a padded area for a pet. George did that on a MiniMi. It worked great!
I may be in the minority but I liked the first design a lot better. It just seemed much more open and less cramped.
wow, I own a 144 for work so I fully understand the size limitations. I wish I could sleep horizontally in such a small space. sometimes it sucks being 6'4"
Excellent layout. The pullout armoire is exactly what I plan to do in my next build, so I'm looking forward to getting inspiration from what you come up with.
I think your client will want the water tabk under the dinette. The fridge and shower hall seems way too tight with the fridge raised 10in. Moving the water tank to the dinette seat would g8ve your client 33+ gal of fresh water, lower the fridge, and efficiently use the space around the wheel well.
Might it make even more sense to put the sink and wheel well water tank on the driver's side? This would eliminate a lot of excess plumbing (though you may not have enough space for the water heater).
My client does not want 33 gallons of fresh water. As with lithium, bigger is not better. Additionally, placing a water tank, or anything of substantial weight behind the rear axle is a recipe for disaster.
I have a dual sliding door van as well, albeit a Promaster, and I’m also building a dinette in the rear that converts to a bed.
I use the driver sliding door all the time and would miss it if it was built closed. For a daily driver I use this to load my groceries, put the dogs in the van, etc. And sometimes you’ll have a campsite where you want to be nose in and not backing in.
As for the dinette, I’ll be using heavy duty drawer slides to make up the bed. Making the bed twice a day is chore enough, I don’t want to mess with the Lagun table top as bed support. Just slide out the drawer slide, move the cushions into place and done. I’m also rolling my bedding as one so that I don’t have to fiddle with a fitted sheet. I use a thin topper that is enclosed in a removable, washable cover, like a pillow case, to give it more body and so that the “sheet” stays in place. Rolling out this bedding takes 2 seconds.
I often use the rear doors to enter and exit, as those doors are just easier to open and close than those heavy sliders. Not to mention quieter late at night.
I too was thinking that drawer slides that pull out from under the dinette seats might work. What then would be used as a bed platform for the mattress? Would separate platform pieces already be attached to the slides on each side? For a dining surface, perhaps a lagun table bracket could be attached on the side of one of the benches & the table swung between the seats. At night, the lagun table would need to be swung back out of the way of course & even swung over a countertop or removed to make the aisle clear for easy access to the toilet at the front of the van. A handy spot would be needed to stow that table top too. Have you worked out any of this in your van?
Reg. drawer slides mattress platform: the mattress rests on a slat system. When you pull the “drawer” out every other slat gets pulled out with it. Tons of photos and videos for this online, it’s a very common setup.
Oh, I get it now. Yeah, those camper style pull out beds are great space savers. I was thinking of the individual metal sliders as George uses them a lot. Sometimes they are spanned for a pull out table, seat, or a storage base so maybe for a bed too but I've not seen that done. The dual sliding doors are rare on a full size van. Can we see your van build on UA-cam or insta?
your a very smart guy!!
Very creative in the back. I still think the best use of space I’ve ever seen in a small rv is Earthcruiser. They use the entry way as the bathroom and shower.
great design. Prefer the first one. I think!!!.
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Hi George! Lá Fhéile Pádraig sona duit or Happy St. Patrick's Day to you! In Italian that would be Buon giorno di San Patrizio!
Since you hail from New Jersey/ New York and the Irish and Italians have some history there.
I like this van layout too! Nice open and airy feeling, though the previous one was more practical I think. You still managed a marvelous workflow space. The expanding kitchen space is sheer genius, wow! A huge U-shaped galley with open rear doors for venting greasy fumes.
The shower /wardrobe box is another piece of genius. What keeps bothering me though, is how you will encase the glide extensions to prevent rust from water, and moisture penetrating the holes in the screws, etc. How is that to be achieved?
Maybe hang it from the ceiling and wheels below? Very curious to see how you solve this problem. Your solutions are so intelligent. Thanks for another great tour!
Using extruded aluminum that is anodized and stainless steel screws. I’m not too worried about rust.
F@CKing BRILLIANT !!!!
George,thank you for this video with the cardboard mark up and some measurements. I have been thinking about the net or inside dimensions of the shower.
Some builder's make a split galley. I like the space behind the front seats and full aisle walk through.
As noted by others, the problem with the Stowaway is it makes the "Small" van longer.
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The bike box on the outside of the door would be quite a high lift?.
The bike in question is 40 lbs. Shouldn't be a problem for the foreseeable future.
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Hi Humble Road, the new design is very nice (open and airy like).👏
Because the alleyway between the shower and fridge is 20 inches, it seems feasible that one could trip on the lip on the shower stall. Is it possible to build the shower stall without a lib on the floor, may be with a wooden grill with a shower pan underneath and flush with the alleyway and a vertical shower door that you pull down like a garage door?
Or extend the wooden shower grill (and pan) all the way to the fridge (so there is no lip) and turn the area into a semi mud room so any splash is contained…..🧐
Interesting point but as the lip runs parallel to the aisle, you're walking past it, not over it, most of the time. It shouldn't be more of a trip hazard than a home walk-in shower stall.
The garage style door is an interesting concept. In a high top van, there might be room for the roll-up over the shower but it would depend upon the height of the client & the space needed to stand up straight in the shower box. The door would need to be wiped dry after every shower so the door roll wouldn't be a container for the residual moisture. Have any of you out there seen a roll up door successfully used in a van build?
George, great work as always, but are you sure about that 28 gallon water tank?
Did you count the thickness of the tank walls already?
!00K. Congratulations!
Is there a follow-up for this build? Can't wait to see the final result
STILL WORKIING ON IT!
Hey George, thanks for all the extremely entertaining and informative videos over the years. Doesn't extending the backside of the van so much with something like a hitch cargo box negate the advantages of having the shorter van to travel in?
When one actually has the opportunity to live in such a small space, it becomes quickly obvious that you need more space to live comfortably and practically and with the hitch mounted box mounted as high as it is, it negates any problem with curves, or even rear end collisions. The advantage of driving a small van is not just in the length of the chassis. The wheelbase itself is an advantage.
Very cool.
Well done!
Your channel, designs, knowledge, expertise, etc. is invaluable, thank you! What do customers do when issues arise, or parts needed, things going wrong, troubleshooting, etc.? First thought is that there is less of it (with your hands of gold lol) than one would have with assembly line builds, but just wondering? Solo traveler, first time would be camper van purchaser looking at Solis Pocket but hesitating as to if it is worth the cost above chassis for assembly line installation, parts, etc. if any of this makes sense from a newbie if you or any followers have time to comment:) (Looking for best value, not cheapest build.) TIA!
My advice for a newbie is this; purchase a good condition used Pleasure Way class B. Get out there and live it. Right now, you don't know what you don't know! When you have traveled in that Pleasure Way for 2 years, come see me.
Thank you for your time and guidance!
You sir are an artist
Morning George
Do could you do the toilet so it slides under the armoire when you want to shower but stays in the shower box when you just need to use the toilet?
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If your client is ok lifting the bike high enough for an external box(?) I would still suggest that inside storage (on the door or otherwise?) may be better from a security perspective.
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Is there scope to raise the whole floor in the seating area?
Maybe 6-8"?
If you're just "sitting" you don't need the head height ?
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Raising the seat boxes as well, that might give enough area to have a bike cubby under the seat on one side, opening to the rear and sliding in?
Then, under floor storage?
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A floor raise may require a slight revision of the upper cabinet, but low storage may be more practical?
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Another option for the "central floor" section if raised, a rear slideout tray.
(Inspiration, the "Van City Vanlife" UA-cam channel)
That van carries A LOT of gear in the tray.... Worth a look.
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Thought development.
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7-8" rased floor.
Full width slide tray.
No "van rear face" on one seat box.
Open that van door "180°".
Slide the full tray out.
Stand beside the tray.
Lift/ mount the bike on the tray.
Slide in (bike under seat)
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The rest of the tray could have configurable dividers suitable for purpose.
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That's a potential extra 6.5ft³ or more of shallow easy access storage (4'×2.5'x 8"), plus the bike?
Extra storage under a raised floor works really well in some van builds but it turned out to be a deal breaker in the (used) high top 144" Sprinter that I bought late last year. The van came with dinette seating in the back just like the van in this video. It also has a raised floor there for the storage similar to what you describe. The raised floor prevents my feet from dangling when I sit there which is very nice! Above the dinette is a Happy Jack elevator bed. It all was great space-saving design but with use, I found I never just sat on those benches. I passed through that area numerous times a day or I needed to get something that was stored in one of the benches. With the raised floor, the head room in that area (which is almost half of the living space) is 1-½" short of what I need to stand up straight. That's the deal breaker & I'll be selling the van. The design may work well for someone who would use it for weekends or for short vacays though. It's just something to consider depending on one's use of the van.
Respectfully, the Stow-A-Way box is a great product but it ultimately it makes the van as long, or longer, than a 177”. Kinda defeats the purpose of getting a 144” in the first place. If the buyer really wants the bicycle on the back wouldn’t a bicycle carrier with a hard cover provide the same service while keeping the van as short as possible? There are also bicycle travel cases that could be mounted to the back door like a spare tire. Again, keeping the length of the van as short as possible.
The new floor plan is fantastic.
What do you think about putting reflective close cell material all over the cargo area and then the thinsulate 600 you’ve mentioned? For a van in warmer climates I would think this reflective material would more effectively dissipate that heat outward prior to reaching the thinsulate. It could also double as a sound barrier. Secondly, When you speak of this water tank being better by the door, is this for filling purposes only?
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I’ve been brainstorming on how I can have a “closet” attached to the inside of the sliding door. No more than 3” in depth for clearance when opening. When closed the thin closet would open up revealing a water proof back and inside door, with a corner shower pan that would fold down on a hinge. A curved Nautalis shower door would be attached to the sliding door also and glide along the shower pan once folded down. If I can figure out the shower head and mixer placement, it would be quite the space saver in my floor plan. Yeah…..I know…a picture is worth a thousand words.
"a curved Nautilus door" you will have to fabricate the yourself. I don't believe that a Nautilus door is available other than linear.
Dumb suggestion for the bike storage. What if, instead of doing a vertical box or the swing-away option you built a horizontal "deck" at around bumper height with a storage drawer that could fit her bike horizontally? She wouldn't have to lift as high potentially and it would give her a nice outdoor space to put a chair or just sit if she didn't want to open the rear doors. Because it'd be bumper height it wouldn't interfere with the opening/closing of the doors. You'd have to make sure there would still be enough ground clearance, but I can't see the folded bike being too much thicker than the bumper if you laid it down. Obviously, a fabrication job, but might be a really cool feature that adds some flexibility. Probably stupid, but figured I'd throw it out there.
There is a reason all rear mount and hitch mounted storage boxes are mounted high above the bumper that’s for rear collision
231 cu inches per gallon, 7.48 gallons per cu. Foot
Think about being out on a whim dusty trail it rains and you have to leave. You get a flat in six inches of mud. You may have to jack up the 144 twiced happy St Patrick Day.
Very true! And also a piece of space junk could breach our atmosphere and land right on your roof rack! Life can be rough! 😊
Don't forget the "blue spear of frozen waste from an aircraft toilet" !
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Concerning the flip up seat backs into counter space, with are you supposed to do with the seat cushions?
Simply fold them down onto the seat
I'd love to see a bike fit into that StowAway. I don't believe it.
It’s a fold up electric bike
Silly question - where do you get such large cardboard? I’d like to get some to make some mockettes
Local stationary office supply
Interesting. The customer is always right, but my gut feeling is that your first design is superior (and more innovative). Chef thinks she wants to open both doors but I predict she'll learn she sacrificed a perfect design for a feature she never uses.
Consider that the cargo area of this 144" Sprinter is the same as a contractor's van = tight, Now imagine living in that tiny amount of space. This new layout creates 2 incredibly spacious living areas yet still provides a ton of flexible counter space. That being said, the previous layout may absolutely be perfect for you & this layout absolutely perfect for her. Win - win yes?
Any recommendations for the best place to purchase 80-20? I’m not having much luck with Lowe’s or Home Depot. Thanks bunches.
8020.net
@@HumbleRoad thank you for the heads up. Your videos are amazing and I truly thank you for sharing your wonderful van builds with us.
Will you still be utilising gas cooking in this set up?
No gas!
28 gallons for 24x27x10.
Where can we buy the adjustable flip up counter top? Thx!
We will be fabricating that ourselves in the shop
Awesome. Will that be available to anyone or only vans that you build? I'd like to purchase one. Thx!
Only on our builds.
Was that kicking toilet paper off your shoe? Kicking a towel on the floor out of the way? Or what?
I missed that & had to go back & look. I think it was TP! That little gag gave me a good chuckle. Thanks for pointing it out!
George Mauro! ours is a 128 inch wheelbase, and therefore the smallest Sprinter not your 144 :)
My suggestion. Do not raise the fridge. Keep a straight long counter. THe top of the raised fridge is useless.
The raised top of the fridge is a perfect place for the microwave. And don’t forget we need that space underneath for freshwater tank. You’ve got to make use of all the vertical space in such a small van.
Seems much more cramped than version 1.
This van is interesting. Seemed painfully obvious last week that we shouldn’t cover a door.
Now, we’ve got way too much of a pinch point at the giant fridge.
Also wondering if the days of playing with cardboard is any sort of a benefit over a few hours of 3d rendering on the computer?
When you can actually walk through a 3D rendering, let me know. Until then, the look on my client's faces when they step through the cardboard build is priceless.
Before I bought a house, I'd sure want to walk through it during the open house & not rely on a rendered drawing. From the 1st video, we know this van is going to be lived in as a home, not a vacay rental, so those cardboard build-outs would be an essential preview. Does that make sense?
Great ideas...
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Watch your elbow... Working on that kitchenette.... Or backing up to the shower .. living... area.
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Just an observation.... Move the fridge/freezer and water tank.....to the other side behind the shower....... So you can have an obstacle free space ... Hitting yourself is never a good time.
The fridge is 24 inches deep, it will not fit where you suggest. And you haven't addressed the wheel well.
Did you forget to monitize this video? Maybe I was just so engrossed in the design and engineering of so much in so little, my mind just glossed over the ads.
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Pretty please, do not use the stowaway. So ugly. And she will lose the compactness of her little sprinter….
That will be the client's decision.
Definitely a personal preference. As I mentioned, I have a Stowaway and I love it. It gobbles up so much stuff, it's very easy to use, and when the added length is a concern I merely go park out on the far reaches of the parking lot, back in over the median and all is well in Vanland!
A 170 or even EXT would be much better for this use. Maybe people are afraid to drive the long vehicle
Not an ergonomic kitchen.... There is, a more elegant... Or a Simpler solution...
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Not an expert just my opinion
You sound smug to me...