12 Angry Men AFI #87
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- Опубліковано 24 січ 2022
- Noah King and Daniel Green discuss the film classic #12AngryMen.
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What movie from the AFI 100 would you like to see covered next??
Ooof lordy there's lots of great movies there. I can't not suggest Jaws though.
M*A*S*H* Donald Sutherland's performance was terrific. The Bridge on the River Kwai or Apocalypse Now would be good too. Yes, I like military movies.
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid would be my vote
Voting for "The Maltese Falcon." Its a great book for studying how a characters actions inform their emotional state and the book is practically a page for page adaptation.
Casablanca
This is a film I saw strictly because of cultural reasons. I was SHOCKED by how compassionate, impactful, and relatable it was for the 50s. It became one of my favourites instantly and it was my first Criterion DVD.
Same with me. I think so often we forgot that what we say about the past was the general experience. There was always compassion somewhere, even if uncommon
@@metumortis6323could it also reflect certain biases in young people about old people? "Thay were pretty much bigoted, but we are more inlightened ". Think about how many people stood against slavery in the 1800s. We have progressed, but painting a whole generation with a broad brush is wrong.
This film is absolutely amazing. It is also so extremely relevant still. A timeless piece, absolutely. A film that everyone should see.
They remade it back in the 90's. With Jack Lemmon, James Gandolfini, Tony Danza. Edward James Olmos. Exact same script. Great actors but it was weird because it was so identical with only tiny updates to modernize it.
When I saw this movie in high school it was like coming home. That one juror that voted not guilty is how I approached most things when it comes to the government. No knee jerk emotional reactions and take things slowly and with understanding because any decision on a governmental level screw over any number of people's lives forever and should not be taken lightly.
This is one of my favorites too. Great way to start a new channel.
I directed a stage version of this for university theatre and apart from Juror No 3 (the dad with anger issues) we tried men and women in every role and changed some lines here and there. We ended up with 7 women and 5 men. Most of the characters can really easily be changed for the stage
I don't know how many older films Daniel and Noah have watched but they both mentioned being surprised by the nuance and complexity of a film this old. Black and white movies may not be as popular as new releases but they definitely have more to offer than you think.
The camera work is the best. In the beginning the camera angles are looking up and you can see the ceiling. The space is open. As the movie continues the angles change slowly to looking down and you can’t see the ceiling. Bringing in the sense of claustrophobia. Like we’ve been in the room the entire time with them. So good!
I am thankful for my social studies teacher in high school for showing this film twice to us. Once without stopping and a second time stopping at times to discuss why would the people in the movie developed those points of view based on laws/polices/regions the people were from including some European things. This has been and always will be in my top 10 movies of all time because of the cinematography, script, acting and how accurately this depicts human emotions from a loner and group perspectives.
Amazing commentary by both of you!!
Daniel has no idea how much I enjoy his content, everything you do is gold man
12 Angry Men is an amazingly great movie.
That we never learn whether the accused is guilty or not is Instrumental for the message of the script. A real jury doesn't know either - no access to author intention or secret character notes.
There are a couple of decent remakes, but so far nothing came close to the original.
Remaking it fresh for a new generation does make sense, but Nolan would not be my pick.
Oh man, 12 Angry Men is my FAVORITE movie. I originally watched it in SECOND grade and I was obsessed ever since.
This is a wonderful movie . I love that it all take place in one room. These are the best NY Broadway Stage actors that also had great movie careers.
This is my favourite movie of all time, I love every single performance and find the character writing deeply nuanced, varied and believable . Most impressively for me, that despite 98 percent of the film being told in a single room (which could make the film seem too much like a play) there’s so much great filmmaking. Specifically the decision to shoot the film in black and white and throughout the cinematography switches from mostly being filmed in wide in the earlier scenes and slowly encloses closer to the actors, to create a claustrophobic atmosphere as tensions rise amongst the jurors. I was so happy to hear you talk about this movie.
Same
12 Angry Men vs To Kill a Mockingbird, black and white courtroom Death Battle!!!
One of my favorite movies. Saw it in a law class in high school, and it had a full room of degenerates glued to the screen.
So glad my high-school showed this movie in class, became one of my favorites!
1. The Watchmaker character isn't supposed to be Italian, I firmly believe. The accent isn't italian for sure, watchmaking is associated with the Swiss ofc. The actor is Czech (btw very famous in his country before he emigrated). So the accent is probably just his czech accent. 2. You talked about remaking it - it was remade for TV in 1997. Stellar cast, the film is not so stellar. 3. One more thing that always made me think is how the jurors are situated around the table, who faces who and besides that another ways of mirroring their personalities etc. For example, Juror 10, the racist, that bases his opinions in emotions faces Juror 4 who is strictly logical. The Jurors 2 and 12, occupying the end of the table being portrayed as foolish, but perhaps 2 being a fool bcs of his naivity and 12 bcs of his cynical out of place levity. The Foreman representing the order against Juror 7 representing chaos etc. etc. Or perhaps, Juror 8 is fighting the others and Juror 6, facing him, at one points threathens to knock somebody's teeth out I believe.
Random fact apropos of nothing: When I was a freshman in high school, I watched this entire list (the original edition) and that ultimately inspired me to pursue film as a career. One of my friends has seen all of the AFI lists because she is a wildly dedicated cineast.
Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on these.
Sidney Lumet's filmmaking in 12 Angry Men is admirable for its sense of austerity. As lumet outlines in his book "Making Movies" Lumet gets into the nitty gritty of the film's he's directed. And the absolute care and love he puts into each production is mind boggling.
While the sequence with the knife is a major inaccuracy in the film (jurors cannot investigate on their own), it is undoubtedly and incredible moment and Henry Fonda's performance as Juror 8 remains one of the best put to celluloid matched by the fervor and rage of Lee J. Cobb as Juror 3.
This movie should absolutely not be remade. It stands solid from the 1957 version.
Daniel here. I agree with you and Noah is objectively wrong.
@@thediscussion9994 the relevancy of its subject matter can be applied to so many in world situations and topics. I rewatched this film during the last presidential election. Most of my family was divided one way or another and there was so much hate. I got them to rewatch it with me and it cooled everyone's heads down. We were able to move past whichever way we swung politically and remember the things that truly mattered. If it were to be remade, I feel it would lose so much of its nuance. It's incredibly powerful but simple and that's something that could easily be lost, especially with how muddied up so many of our modern views can be.
It was actually remade in '97and is available in UA-cam. Its been awhile since I've seen either but I feel like there was a little more diversity in the remake, and that it still stands up really well.
@@markhiller904 I haven't seen the remake, mostly because I've read it isn't as good as the 1957 version.
@@thedarkonestaint6105 I don't remember it being as good either, but I remember it was still good and had some good profomances from the likes of George C Scott, Tony Danza, Ossie Davis, James Gandolfini and Edward James Olmos. Among others. Honestly, I think it was mainly just made for tv because the rights to plays I believe tend to be cheaper but I also think that adding the racial element also raises some additional tensions that original didn't have to struggle with, but doesn't take away from the underlying comments on group think and arguably the death penalty.
Boy is guilty, we dont have to speculate about the eyesight of the witness, cause she already described the killing in detail. One jury member said it in the movie and In court also in the jury room her description was UNDISPUTED! Without good eyes, No8 would have destroyed her statement using her testimony alone, but he didnt. He just changed the topic.
This is legitimately a movie that changed the way I look at the world. Everyone should watch this movie.
One of my favorite movies. An absolute classic, truly what filmmaking was made for.
Amazing Classic. I was so glad when I got to finally watch it. Everything in this movie just works...
That said, if Cristopher Nolan did this movie the Fonda character would actually be the unknown time traveller that is trying to save his 18 year old father from getting executed 😅
This movie had me absolutely on the edge of my seat back when I saw it. It definitely did solidify my negative views on jury systems, but it's one hell of a character study.
Alright I have a polite complaint and its that there's at least a million people who haven't subscribed yet. You guys are incredible!
12 Angry Men is one of my all time favorites! Such a great script!
This is one of my all time favorites! Thanks for this new channel. If sticking strictly to the AFI list, I'd suggest "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" next. Otherwise, I'd love to see a reaction to My Cousin Vinny.
This was originally a stage play, then a TV movie, then this movie.
I love 12 Angry Men. I also really enjoyed the remake with Jack Lemmon and George C. Scott from 1997. It absolutely holds up.
Are you maybe thinking of Inherit the Wind?
@@nealhoffman7518 They remade it in 97. With Jack Lemmon, James Gandolfini, George C. Scott, Tony Danza. Edward James Olmos. Exact same script. Great actors but it was weird because it was so identical with only tiny updates to modernize it.
Weird that Lemon and Scott made 2 remakes of Classic courthouse movies together
Now I want you guys to do "Gone with the Wind". Do it.
I saw the stage show of 12 Angry Men when I was in middle school. One of the actors was a child star on the Andy Griffin show (I think that was the show). It was fantastic.
I'd definitely watch a classic film review series
This is my favorite movie of all time and the one that got me to think about how good film and storytelling in general can be. I’m glad you guys talked about the blocking and cinematography that is used in this film. It might not be flashy like a lot of other movies, but it utilizes the camera so well that I find it hard to compare to other works.
So cool you got Brandon Sanderson back on the channel, great discussion!
Thank you for that, I had no idea this movie even existed! I immediately paused this to go watch it lol. It's great! I was feeling dèja vu in the beginning there, and it turns out there's an episode of "Veronica Mars" about jury duty that took quite a lot from this movie, with one lady voting not guilty just so it could be discussed properly before the decision (S2 ep10). Incredibly relevant still today, and I'm so glad to have been introduced to this movie.
You guys are very perceptive in viewing this from a psychological and group dynamics perspective. A friend of mine who was teaching a graduate level psychology course incorporated this into his curriculum.
At least in 1957 people didn't say:''like'' every 2 minutes.
Just watched this movie and goddamn it is so good. Thank you for this Daniel!
Anyone questioning the make-up of the jury doesn't have an appreciation for the time in which it is set.
I literally just got my first jury notice 12 hours ago. Brilliant timing Daniel
Oh man I am so excited to see you and Noah do a film channel! I love books and fictions but having worked at blockbuster back in my teenage days I love films! I am so excited to see you tackle the AFI and cant wait to hear your thoughts on some of the movies. While I really want to see you talk about Jaws (or other horror films) you should probably save that one for summer. Silence of the Lambs could be an interesting movie to discuss!
The first time I encountered 12 Angry Men was actually the Malcolm in the Middle episode where Lois serves on a jury - well done hommage in a brilliant show.
this was fantastic and I look forward to at least another 99 episodes.
…this is wild, I just watched this film last weekend and it became probably my favourite of all time
Obligatory engagement comment!
Lol, love the direction with this second channel.
Thanks a ton for your work in creating such great content. It's really appreciated.👍
I really enjoyed this discussion, but the camera angles were very distracting. I'd rather watch the web cam feed than a side angle shot. I hope you change that up for future videos, but otherwise, great job and I'm looking forward to future episodes!
Both should look at the camera.
Dude, how hard do you work? Man you deserve all your blesdings👍👍
Great discussion. Y'all should check out Rebel Without A Cause, I'd love to hear y'all's thoughts
Yea!!! New channel!!
One of my favourite movies ever
You may not have heard, but this movie actually was remade not long ago. I never watched that one but I’ve seen the original and I really enjoyed it.
It's hard to remove "classics" from a TOP list for something new that hasn't been discussed for 20+ years. Who knows if it will be forgotten by then? ............................. Original Matrix.. Yep. That needs to be added.
Internet- Brando Sando! Also more Goblin! The wilds rejoice! This is a great discussion. I would love to hear both your thoughts on Casablanca.
I really enjoyed 12 angry I first watched this movie when I was a teenager henry Fonda is amazing in this film it's one of my favorite movies of Fonda's
Omg I just discovered this. More Lumet please. Network and Dog Day Afternoon please.
It is a play. It has been presented many many times in the theater.
Splendid!
Just went on Prime to watch this movie and found there was a remake in 1997!
What a great movie. I am so glad our teacher showed it to us in school.
Daniel talking about my favourite movie? Yes please
Looking over the AFI 100 you have a lot of great viewing ahead. Tootsie has always been a favorite, and as Terrific as Dustin Hoffman is, Bill Murray has the best individual line.
I know the love people have for Duck Soup, and while a great movie, it does bug me that it's higher than Night at the Opera (more cohesive story and doesn't miss a comedic beat).
A lot of Jimmy Stewart to enjoy.
Love how you use your old channel's picture for the new channel now. Reduce reuse recycle
This is one of the few in my collection. I love this movie.
The movie is free on UA-cam, with ads.
I got this movie recommended by my great-grandmother of 96 years old, am not dissapointed
Second Chanel baby
Probably my favorite Criterion Blu-ray I have. 👌🏻
For a remake, I feel like someone like Ryan Cooglar would be an excellent pick
Utah was the first state to allow women to serve on jury duty in 1898
What headphones is the guy with the blue shirt using ? Anybody know the model number ?
I wouldn’t say that it was a matter when could women serve on a jury, I would say when they became obligated to serve on a jury. Very few people look forward to that.
No to the camera angle choices, yes to my literal favorite movie.
I watched this in high school and I've been meaning to go back. Been afraid it wouldn't have aged well.
Never subscribed to a new channel that fast before
THE perfect movie. Great talk guys.
Ah so sad I was real intrigued to watch this film up until the point i realized movies available on Amazon prime are not the same everywhere :((
And btw On the Waterfront would be nice, if it's on the AFI list
Be sure to go through both lists. It has been compiled twice (1998, 2007) so there are about 123 movies between both publications. The wiki for AFI's 100 Years...100 Movies lists all 123 movies and what rank they were on each edition.
Been through all AFI 100, Every IMDB 250 list (done by year), and most of every 1001 Movies You Must See Before You Die list as well as They Shoot Pictures Don't They (1000 Greatest Films) list. Oh, and every Best Picture nomination that is doable (2 only have one copy in UCLA film vault, and 1 has no known copies).
There are of course overlaps between lists, but between every list and list edition you are looking at over 3000 films. I have under 200 left to go. Of course every year the are new editions (which means the list grows) to everything but AFI top 100.
i once watched a korean movie that i'm pretty sure was based ob this movie (with obvious differences) it was called juror 8
Oh my god i love this movie
I loved this movie.
Dead Zone based an episode around the premise... shorter, but pretty much beat for beat
Great movie...
But I feel that you should delve deeper to Arsenic and Old Lace
AFI top 100 Comedies, but didn't make the basic 100.
Noah was quite quiet throughout the video. Is there a way of making his microphone more clear?
Yup! We’ll improve. We’re still getting the hang of having to do this remote.
Wait, 12 angry men isn't a sexy time film? Not sure about this anymore...
So I rewatched both versions of this movie this week and while I think the original is better, I think a lot of it has to do with the cinematography. I found the portrayals in the original to almost me characters while I though there was a lot of nuance in choices made in the remake.
Brilliant film
From the evidence presented the kid was guilty. Almost nothing Henry Fonda 8 did was legal lol.
I love this film and I don't think it needs to be remade, especially since it holds up so well. If it was remade although I love Christopher Nolan I don't think he should be the one to do it, if I had to pick someone maybe David Fincher.
I love this movie
Yes yes yes yes!!!!!!!!
Your both facing left. What are you both looking at? What’s off to the left that your not telling us?
I hope they eventually change it so one is facing left, the other facing right. That way they'll be back to back and won't get surprised then the attack comes.
I love this film it's easily one of the best ever made. It so successfully does what it sets out to accomplish. It proves that you don't need a high budget, but instead a good script and cast.
However, my fiancée hates it because there's no women in it.... Maddening
Literally just decided to begin watching all of IMDb’s top 250 last week and watched this first. What are the chances?
Is that.... HORIZONTAL BOOK STACKING?!!
Did either of you see the 1997 version?
Another channel to sub to along with one of my favorite movies. What are you doing to me!?