I think the struggle for the viewer now is that they view Mac with absolute pity...in the old episodes, you kinda enjoyed seeing the Gang fail because they were absolutely bolstered by their ego etc...but now they're all extremely insecure and fragile and it adds this layer of tragedy that makes the show a little bit less funny.
He only thinks he can't speak it because he thinks he is just speaking gibberish, even though he knows it has rules and vocabulary. He rarely speaks it to anyone else, so he thinks he can't really speak it, only write it. When he meets his pen pal, who is really his biological father, he speaks it just fine.
Lol love Macs breakdown during this moment. He’s so desperate on trying to repress that he’s Dutch and failing. Charlie now beats him at being Irish and he can’t handle it.
I like how Charlie speaks Gaelic which is essentially gibberish so that means when he thought he learned Mandarin he essentially was just speaking Gaelic since it was all gibberish?
@@MiniM69 I have it with Dutch. I lived near Maastricht for two years as a kid, then learnt German and now I can read Dutch just fine, but ask me to speak it? Not a chance
There’s a few Irish branches that predate the Scottish MacDonalds but both countries developed their own. Domhnaill was a common Gaelic name so it makes sense.
I would say since Clan Donald was so big that yeah it's primarily a Scottish surname but it is both a native Irish surname and a Scottish surname. Because the Gaels spread from Ireland to Scotland and the Isle of Mann, there are a lot of surnames that are the same in both Ireland and Scotland. Charlie's last name, Kelly, is also a common Scottish surname. The Irish cheiftains brought the MacDonalds over to Ireland as Gallowglass mercenaries many hundreds of years ago. Also humdreds of years ago a branch of Clan Donald settled in Antrim - they became the Mcdonnells. McDonnell (also variants McConnell+ McDaniel) is the Irish form of McDonald. There were earlier native Irish McDonnells families as well. McDonalds also came over to Ireland as a result of the Highland + Islands Clearances. I believe the brothers who started the McDonald's food chain had parents who were Irish immigrants.
This scene is what solidified this episode as a classic for me. Top notch writing, seriously feels like the early seasons, in the best way. Sunny is still going strong!
I love the reason why dennis thinks macs stupid for believing the Dutch thing. "Luther vandross. REALLY Mac?" As if macs name isn't already Ronald Mcdonald. I'm sure he feels like no names are off the table anymore lol.
@@matthewriley7826 if you recall, i've actually been with you on SEVERAL occasions where you've tried. i don't know why you can't grasp that point, your dave & busters card is not gonna work anywhere else, it's only gonna work HERE!!!!
The orange on the Irish flag is that of the House Of Orange, with William Of Orange being a figurehead to many unionists it was included in the flag to help foster peace, so even if Mac is Dutch there is still an Irish connection!
There was never a gold colour on the tricolour. It was a flag designed by women in France as a gift to the Irish. The green for the native Irish, the orange for the descendants of British settlers, and the white in between them to symbolise peace. The tricolour has never had nor was ever intended to have gold.
@@kavalogue They settled where their countrymen had invaded and occupied. I'm not saying they're blameless - clearly they're not - but none of them that did settle did any of the conquering.
I like how with this joke they made you think the guys are standing in a quiet nook all alone talking just to themselves. But the last punchline reveals they are surrounded by other library patrons, off screen, witnessing their every line. Brilliance. 🤣
Just as a note, the language is just Irish. To call it Gaelic is like calling Spanish Ibero-Romance. Technically correct, but not the correct name. Irish is a gaelic language just like Welsh, Cornish, Manx, etc. Conversely, in Irish it's called Gaeilge. I guess we're just complicated like that...
Depending on how long he’s been writing Shelly, it makes sense that he can read Gaelic perfectly, but English just seems backwards. He’s not dyslexic, he’s just barely literate in English. 😂
If Luther’s real name is Luther Vandross, then does that mean Frank’s tape from Mac’s Big Break was of Mac’s dad singing/ jib jabbing and not the original singer’s?
Mac- and o' are both Gaelic in origin. Commonly Mac- meaning "son of-" while o' means "of" (as in descendent of) Both are commonly found in Irish naming customs, however Scottish families typically only have Mac-'s this is because despite their similarity from our modern perspectives, both of these surname prefixes derived from different gaelic social grades. Basically, Mac- derives from an older term that basically just referred to a general kinship, while the O' was a newer form of address that developed as a way or describing a more consistent ancestral line (closer to what we would consider surnames today). Basically it used to be common practice in such a society for someone to be named Murphy MacDonald, because he was the son of Donald, but then when he named his son Seamus, his son would be called Seamus MacMurphy, because he was the son of Murphy. Obviously this could get confusing if trying to track a consistent family line, so eventually they started using the O' prefix instead, so Murphy would change his name from MacDonald to O'donald (as in Descendant of Donald), and then his son Seamus would also call himself Seamus O'donald, and so on and so forth. While both Macs and O's continued to be used in Ireland, this wasn't the case in Scotland. Scotland's Gaelic influences can largely be traced from a wave of settlers from Ireland during the period when the O' kindreds were still establishing themselves as a common thing in Gaelic society. And as a result, the first Scots consisted almost entirely of Mac- kindreds. As a result, as time went on, Scotland was isolated from Ireland and began to diverge culturally from it, and they never adopted the O' kindred scheme. And as a result when formalized surnames were finally introduced into Scotland, everyone mostly converted their Mac- kindreds into formal surnames rather than using the O' custom that had developed entirely outside of their borders. TL;DR- The Irish invented the O' surname after the Scots had already left, so there are both O's and Mac-'s in Ireland but only Mac-'s in Scotland.
In a show full of some of the greatest exchanges in the history of television this might be my favorite one… maybe tied with Frank and Dennis at the orgy
This is a real kick in the teeth for any self proclaimed Irishman. To find out your not Irish, bad enough. To find out your the same nationality as King Billy, nightmare.
I like that mac is back to being both somewhat stupid and smart. I didnt like in season 13 and 14 where he just seemed really stupid and didnt stand up to anybody or call anyone out for anything.
I think that the secret to the success of the show is that each member of the gang plays the straight man to the other person's insanity. Everyone is too stupid to be smart, but just smart enough to identify that SOMEONE ELSE is doing something stupid.
I can see your point, it got so bad that it seemed like he and Dee shared the position as most pathetic member of the gang since they dialed up his neediness and insecurities.
I can respect Mac for coming out, but it's sad that he's so desperate for a thing and the gang just love keeping him down to make them selfs better about being horrible people in general...
How is a man called Mac not Irish? 🤦♂️
'MacDonald' originates from Scotland and isn't commonly known as an Irish name. Do your research, Jabronis.
@@jayyylmaooo You tell them!!
By being scottish
Mac Looks like certain vice city character...
@@sebastianchinaski1918 Lance Vance?
I love that this implies that Luther changed his name for the sole purpose of naming his son Ronald McDonald
What about Donald McDonald tho?
@@Doomsquad99 thats his uncle
@@Doomsquad99the gang paid his mom to say this his name is actually Ronald McDonald lol
And so that his name wasn’t Luther Vandross 😂
It’s a mascot for a restaurant McDonald’s
The way I CACKLED at the fact that he can fluently read Gaelic!!! This show never gets old.
I'm sorry but I had to do this, it's Gaeilge*
@@johnduane9966 that’s fine, I certainly don’t want to be disrespectful. Thanks for letting me know!
Charlie could have been curing cancer or being some diplomat if his mom didn't try to have an abortion
@@user-zu1os6to2j nope, it would be Irish
@@user-zu1os6to2j Nah, then it would be called Irish. Otherwise it's Gaeilge.
I love how he tells his mum to slow down when she says a maximum of one word per sentence. She couldn't possibly go any slower.
word and/or grunt 😂😂
Not only Mac's dad decided to change his last name to McDonald, but he decided to name his son Ronald because of it LMAO
make his son feel how he felt
He didn't actually change his name. They paid Macs mom to lie to him.
He did name him Ronald though, he knew what he was doing.
@@cultofthevoid5677 OFC, this didn't age well. Spoilers tho!
@@cultofthevoid5677 they didn't "pay her" they gave her a couple cigarettes lol
Finish the episode
This is the most that Mac's mom has ever talked during the series so far!
Thats qhy its kinda dumb
Not really... she spoke in airplane episode
@@InteractiveIdea barely.
She talks a decent amount in the episode where Dennis tries to seduce her. Season 2 or 3 I think
@@jakeo9798 she tells him that he's an ugly man! 😂
“Hey mommy” “who is this?” 🤣🤣🤣
So does that mean Mac could have a half sibling out there?
@@michaelgualtieri651 Either that, or she has some freakin' kinky bootycalls running around Philly
@@Anonymos185 Ya, but wonder who'd have her as a first choice? Lol
@@michaelgualtieri651 Dennis, lmao
I read that moment more as Mac's mom gives so little shits about Mac that she outright forgets she has a son until he reminds her.
The fact the gang paid macs mom to lie about this makes the scene so much better 😂
Paid her a few loose cigarettes😂 His mum does not like him😂😂😂😂
And Mac still annoyed them constantly with his identity. Lol they can’t win with him.
“Your mom does _not_ like you, dude.”
@@matthewriley7826 I mean it’s honestly on his parents for screwing Mac up so much that his identity and need for validation for it is even a thing
@@matthewriley7826 none of them can ever win with each other lmfao
Just the way Charlie casual asks ‘you Dutch?’ Is perfect
Doesn't even look up from the book 😂
i love the way the cigarette ash just falls on Mac's mom's shirt and she just lets it stay there
Dee calling mac's mom "A" Cigarette right before he starts choking her
OMG how far can they push the limits of Mac's insecurities and delusional tendencies? I don't think there's a ceiling
Lol I love how gang have no problem with telling Mac just how much they loathe him now.
As the great Michael Jordan once said, "the ceiling is the roof"😀
He is Dutch after all
I think the struggle for the viewer now is that they view Mac with absolute pity...in the old episodes, you kinda enjoyed seeing the Gang fail because they were absolutely bolstered by their ego etc...but now they're all extremely insecure and fragile and it adds this layer of tragedy that makes the show a little bit less funny.
@@xxczerxx they're all slowly going insane. They'll probably be dead in the final season
Ironically, this is probably the nicest Mac's mom has ever been to Mac. She was 100% transparent with him and told him "you're not Irish".
Except she was playing a cruel joke on him because the gang gave her “a couple of loosies”.
Good to see Jeremy Renner back as Mrs Mac!
Finding out his name isn't legitimately Ronald McDonald by revealing his father's name is Luther Vandross is just... *chef's kiss*
This means Mac was 100% named after the clown
@@SamanthaLain His dad admitted that when Mac did his dance
I'm obsessed with this show and am surprised that Mac doesn't know he's Native American. He has the teeth and face of the Natives. He's mixed.
@@samjohnson3540 The actor says both his parents are Irish. Although I'm a mix of both and kind of get where you're going.
His real name is Ronald "Mac" Vandross?
“I miss you too!”
“She didn’t say that.”
Brilliant! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
"She did, she did....she totally did". "She did Not",, hilarious
My favorite part of this clip!! 🤣
Finding out Charlie can read Gaelic is the most amazing twist in IASIP
Gibberish. He can read Gibberish...
He can read bird laws too.
Gaeilge*
@@venmxshadows im not in Ireland
@@Sylar-upd4t3 well I am, so get it right
This season is giving me classic always sunny vibes. Such great writing
the continuity in this show is unbeatable
like the irish
it’s because rcg are writing most of the episodes this season
@@Jocelyn12700 Who was writing the episodes before?
this season was incredible!
Yes! The last few seasons felt so weird and forced to me
Sandy Martin was absolutely genius casting for Mrs Mac 🤣
I didn't realize for years that she also plays Napoleon Dynamite's badass grandma
......
....
yeh
best performance on the show tbh
that Charlie struggles to read English but is fluent in anther language and that he doesn't even know he's fluent.
His father is Luther Vandross. The real Luther Vandross died 1 month before the first episode aired.
That explains why he changed his name.
gotta get that Luther Vandross mix tape off Frank
1:44 I like to imagine this is what Sandy Martin looks like when the always sunny crew call and ask if she’s available.
Charlie can speak a language without being able to read it and read a language without being able to speak it. Perfectly balanced.
He speaks Irish too
He only thinks he can't speak it because he thinks he is just speaking gibberish, even though he knows it has rules and vocabulary. He rarely speaks it to anyone else, so he thinks he can't really speak it, only write it. When he meets his pen pal, who is really his biological father, he speaks it just fine.
Bro, its genius to straight up throw mac into another identity crisis he will just oush deep down
To be fair, Kelly is the second most common surname in Ireland (Murphy is the first).
Wonder why that is?
The last episode of the season is called “The gang carries a corpse up a mountain”. I am afraid for Shelley Kelly….
With good reason.
This comment certainly aged well
This aged well 😂
@@HombreMamut yeah, man. I know what transpired.
Charlie's "you Dutch?" cracks me up.
Cheese, ghouls. Ghouls, cheese. The 4 things you need to making a lasting friendship.
Lol love Macs breakdown during this moment. He’s so desperate on trying to repress that he’s Dutch and failing. Charlie now beats him at being Irish and he can’t handle it.
Her comedic timing is hilarious.
I like how Charlie speaks Gaelic which is essentially gibberish so that means when he thought he learned Mandarin he essentially was just speaking Gaelic since it was all gibberish?
I still cannot believe Charlie is an Ancestor to Miles O’Brian
Maybe a transporter time travel mishap
@@CrispyGFX transporter alternate time travel reality mishap. Oh boy, someone tell Kirk his record has been broken.
Explains the work ethic
I hate temporal mechanics
Well obrien did do all the "charlie work" on ds9 😋
“How can you read something you can’t speak, it doesn’t make any sense?”
*stares as a linguist*
Lmfao.
SAME
This occurs with non-native speakers all of the time and the reverse is even more common!
@@MiniM69 I have it with Dutch. I lived near Maastricht for two years as a kid, then learnt German and now I can read Dutch just fine, but ask me to speak it? Not a chance
i can read some south korean but when i speak it i sound like i have brain damage lmao
As an Irish person, I’m so glad they called it “Irish or Gaelic”. We call it Irish. Nobody calls it Gaelic here.
Lol, I honestly thought that Irish people would be upset at Charlie claiming to be Irish.
That dramatic bell sound gets me every time
Charlie Kelly is now probably the most famous Gaeilgeoir in the world.
MacDonald is primarily a Scottish surname anyways.
There’s a few Irish branches that predate the Scottish MacDonalds but both countries developed their own. Domhnaill was a common Gaelic name so it makes sense.
I would say since Clan Donald was so big that yeah it's primarily a Scottish surname but it is both a native Irish surname and a Scottish surname. Because the Gaels spread from Ireland to Scotland and the Isle of Mann, there are a lot of surnames that are the same in both Ireland and Scotland. Charlie's last name, Kelly, is also a common Scottish surname.
The Irish cheiftains brought the MacDonalds over to Ireland as Gallowglass mercenaries many hundreds of years ago.
Also humdreds of years ago a branch of Clan Donald settled in Antrim - they became the Mcdonnells.
McDonnell (also variants McConnell+ McDaniel) is the Irish form of McDonald. There were earlier native Irish McDonnells families as well.
McDonalds also came over to Ireland as a result of the Highland + Islands Clearances.
I believe the brothers who started the McDonald's food chain had parents who were Irish immigrants.
My mouth was made for American words..
"It's an homage"
"It's an homage to a hamburger clown"
This scene is what solidified this episode as a classic for me. Top notch writing, seriously feels like the early seasons, in the best way. Sunny is still going strong!
I love the reason why dennis thinks macs stupid for believing the Dutch thing. "Luther vandross. REALLY Mac?"
As if macs name isn't already Ronald Mcdonald.
I'm sure he feels like no names are off the table anymore lol.
To be fair he’s been a witness to Mac’s stupidity before.
@@matthewriley7826 if you recall, i've actually been with you on SEVERAL occasions where you've tried. i don't know why you can't grasp that point, your dave & busters card is not gonna work anywhere else, it's only gonna work HERE!!!!
I love Mac’s mom…. Underrated comedy
The orange on the Irish flag is that of the House Of Orange, with William Of Orange being a figurehead to many unionists it was included in the flag to help foster peace, so even if Mac is Dutch there is still an Irish connection!
He Has a Shamrock Tattoo on his Thigh!
Orange part of our flag shouldn't be there. Bring back the gold
There was never a gold colour on the tricolour. It was a flag designed by women in France as a gift to the Irish. The green for the native Irish, the orange for the descendants of British settlers, and the white in between them to symbolise peace. The tricolour has never had nor was ever intended to have gold.
@@Quessir they didn't settle they invaded and occupied
@@kavalogue They settled where their countrymen had invaded and occupied. I'm not saying they're blameless - clearly they're not - but none of them that did settle did any of the conquering.
I like how with this joke they made you think the guys are standing in a quiet nook all alone talking just to themselves. But the last punchline reveals they are surrounded by other library patrons, off screen, witnessing their every line. Brilliance. 🤣
His dyslexia helps him read Gaelic? I"M DYING!
His dad taught him Irish
Just as a note, the language is just Irish. To call it Gaelic is like calling Spanish Ibero-Romance. Technically correct, but not the correct name. Irish is a gaelic language just like Welsh, Cornish, Manx, etc.
Conversely, in Irish it's called Gaeilge. I guess we're just complicated like that...
@@Quessir I didn’t know I spoke Ibero-Romance. Cool
@@noegallegos6722 Hell, we're speaking Indo-European West Germanic to each other right now ;)
Like Percy Jackson!
“Ghouls, cheese, uh cheese, ghouls!”
The gang should take back the insults about Charlie being illiterate!
Ronald Vandross
i like the idea how Charlie is just brain wired for Gaelic
Depending on how long he’s been writing Shelly, it makes sense that he can read Gaelic perfectly, but English just seems backwards. He’s not dyslexic, he’s just barely literate in English. 😂
Kinda disappointed this didn't stick. They could have called Mac "Dutch" next season.
Reading and speaking are two different circuits in the brain. One may read a language but not reproduce it at an equal rate.
This is what happens when you have a cigarette for a mother
"The problem is this library has too many books..."
This was a big moment I was in tears 😂😂
ua-cam.com/video/48HTSa_7pkE/v-deo.html She was great on Ray Donovan..
Re-watching it, it's hilarious why Charlie knew Mac was Dutch
Sandy Martin is classic.
Of course Charlie can read Gaelic.
She is a fantastic actor. So dead pan its perfection
If Luther’s real name is Luther Vandross, then does that mean Frank’s tape from Mac’s Big Break was of Mac’s dad singing/ jib jabbing and not the original singer’s?
Sign “Private”
Charlie: Pirate!
**scripture in Dovakhin language**
Charlie: I understood every word of it!
Her line delivery is hilarious and I don’t know why😂😂😂
Great show... love every episode... have watched every episode multiple times... it never gets old
I thought Mcdonald was a Scottish surname?
Mac- and o' are both Gaelic in origin. Commonly Mac- meaning "son of-" while o' means "of" (as in descendent of)
Both are commonly found in Irish naming customs, however Scottish families typically only have Mac-'s this is because despite their similarity from our modern perspectives, both of these surname prefixes derived from different gaelic social grades.
Basically, Mac- derives from an older term that basically just referred to a general kinship, while the O' was a newer form of address that developed as a way or describing a more consistent ancestral line (closer to what we would consider surnames today). Basically it used to be common practice in such a society for someone to be named Murphy MacDonald, because he was the son of Donald, but then when he named his son Seamus, his son would be called Seamus MacMurphy, because he was the son of Murphy. Obviously this could get confusing if trying to track a consistent family line, so eventually they started using the O' prefix instead, so Murphy would change his name from MacDonald to O'donald (as in Descendant of Donald), and then his son Seamus would also call himself Seamus O'donald, and so on and so forth.
While both Macs and O's continued to be used in Ireland, this wasn't the case in Scotland. Scotland's Gaelic influences can largely be traced from a wave of settlers from Ireland during the period when the O' kindreds were still establishing themselves as a common thing in Gaelic society. And as a result, the first Scots consisted almost entirely of Mac- kindreds. As a result, as time went on, Scotland was isolated from Ireland and began to diverge culturally from it, and they never adopted the O' kindred scheme.
And as a result when formalized surnames were finally introduced into Scotland, everyone mostly converted their Mac- kindreds into formal surnames rather than using the O' custom that had developed entirely outside of their borders.
TL;DR- The Irish invented the O' surname after the Scots had already left, so there are both O's and Mac-'s in Ireland but only Mac-'s in Scotland.
@@evansageser6943 I tip my hat to you good sir. Thanks for the information.
It’s both Irish and Scottish separate clans with the same name developing.
In a show full of some of the greatest exchanges in the history of television this might be my favorite one… maybe tied with Frank and Dennis at the orgy
i absolutely love this new series im so happy
Love the way Mac's mom grunts.
Mac is Dutch, Double Dutch, He's Double Dutch MacDonald
Mac almost cracked on Charlie’s back to back mentioning of ‘cheese & ghouls’
She was the Grandma on Napolean Dynamite!
I thought it was going to be that he was actually scottish because MacDonald/McDonald is a scottish name too, but this is much funnier
I would’ve guessed Scottish because it’s mac instead of mc
Everything aside, Luther Vandross is a killer name
This is the best Always Sunny has been in YEARS. This season is so, so good. I'm so happy.
That's interesting. I'm not loving this season at all.
@@13strong Like some haven’t loved every other season. Subjectivity. Good thing many are loving this new season
Well for me, I’ve really liked the last few seasons better than some. But this one has been great, yes
I'm of the same opinion I felt like there was a drop of quality from season 13 onwards but been loving the Irish episodes so far.
Really? That's really surprising I think this is the worst season and by far, I'm not sure I've laughed out loud once watching this season tbh
You Dutch?
"This one just fell apart!" OMG this show STILL kills me lol
“Dad’s name is Luther Vandross?” 🤣
This was the best scene of this season. It was so absurd and funny to me
Charlie's smile in the background @2:49 is fantastic!!!!
It’s like “lol I knew he’d fall for it.”
This is a real kick in the teeth for any self proclaimed Irishman. To find out your not Irish, bad enough. To find out your the same nationality as King Billy, nightmare.
New episode of Old Lady House is looking good.
The continuity on Mac's mom cigarette 😂
"No mom mom mom slow down" LMAO
I like that mac is back to being both somewhat stupid and smart. I didnt like in season 13 and 14 where he just seemed really stupid and didnt stand up to anybody or call anyone out for anything.
I dig both. I love stupid Mac. "I'm playing both sides"
We all know that one person whom is both smart and stupid... totally real genius idiots.
I think that the secret to the success of the show is that each member of the gang plays the straight man to the other person's insanity. Everyone is too stupid to be smart, but just smart enough to identify that SOMEONE ELSE is doing something stupid.
@@jimgreen7477 EXACTLY!
I can see your point, it got so bad that it seemed like he and Dee shared the position as most pathetic member of the gang since they dialed up his neediness and insecurities.
*she didn't say that.*
She did not!
*He is dutch who can pull of a great swedish accent*
You know what the problem is? This library's got too many books.
lmao
This season feels like the good old sunny
How long till Mac gets all about his Dutch heritage as the central part of his identity.
I'm sure when he gets back to Philly. Lol awesome show
In universe time?
Prolly give it a week.
Didn’t even last an episode. He got so into his Dutch identity he pissed off the gang and they admitted to screwing with him.
Charlie's character development-and the comedy interlaced within-in the Gang Goes to Ireland arc is some of the best Sunny content of all time!
She didn't say that.... Ya dutch? Lol 😂
My mouth is made for American words hahahaha
Mac's mom channeling Luther, and very well.
I love how Charlie can read Gaelic but talk English and not the other way around.
He can speak Irish too. He spoke it to his dad.
I can respect Mac for coming out, but it's sad that he's so desperate for a thing and the gang just love keeping him down to make them selfs better about being horrible people in general...
You gotta love Mac's mom.
this is the best season in a while... sucks its over so soon....
My mum, Annie McCabe, always said there were only two kinds of people: the Irish and those who wished they were Irish.
For such a small island, it is awfully pervasive.
"She didn't say that" 😂😂😂
I love how they’re in Trinity Library just digging through books
"I gotta go to the source."
"...of?"
This was the best season in a while. Only bad episode was the skating rink.