Ilan Rubin Teaches John Bonham's "The Crunge" Drumbeat | Reverb Learn to Play
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- Drummer Ilan Rubin (Nine Inch Nails, Paramore, Angels & Airwaves) has an impressive rock resume, and like many successful drummers, he counts Led Zeppelin's John Bonham among his influences. Today he's in the studio running us through Bonham's tricky 9/8 beat from rock classic "The Crunge."
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Drums: Q Drum Co. Galvanized Steel in 13", 16", and 24" shells.
Cymbals: Zildjian Avedis
Heads: Remo
Hardware: DW
Sticks: Vater
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Has anyone seen the bridge
Where's that confounded bridge?
I ain't seen the bridge...
And then johnsey with the keyboards:" paaaii rararappappà paaaai rarappappà"
Good explanation but Jeff Pocaro is my man..Do the Roxanne shuffle
Where's that confounded bridge?
Paul Jones’s bass on this is also extremely thick and groovy
Isn't it always?
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@Nolan Drake Yup, been watching on flixzone for months myself :)
@Nolan Drake definitely, have been watching on Flixzone for since december myself :D
That’s probably because JPJ rules!
He's one of the few rock drummers that I really like. He has a great sound in his hands and has his own style.
Bonham did this groove because he wanted to emulate and pay homage to James Brown's drummers, as the song itself is an entire tribute to Brown and his musical style. He wasn't even aware the beat was in an odd time signature. He was just instinctively following the rhythmic guitar pattern, and John Paul Jones' bass pattern. Whatever the case, Rubin gives a comprehensive and well detailed perspective on this iconic beat from the most iconic rock drummer in history.
This dude is so good.
"I don't like odd time signatures" he must hate when March of the Pigs comes up.
And then he also plays the piano.
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AllRightsRejected
Or if he's ever asked to play the 12/8 break in Black Dog.
March of the Pigs feels pretty natural, I think
One of my favorite Zep songs, getting funky!
Totally agree. One of my favorite Zeppelin tunes. Absolutely love the groove. The guitar bass and vocals fill it out but it is that drum beat that carries it.
My other favorite Bonham drum song is Achilles last stand. Great powerful drums.
Ilan, you are a real master. In 35 years of semi-pro-amateur playing, I haven't found a tenth of what you know. That is what they call natural talent but, you are very inspiring. Respect!
That snare sounds fabulous. I have to have it.
Lovely video.
I’m a bassist and guitarist but this is fascinating.
This dude is easily the most interesting drummer in years
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@@bobayersquebec wtf? Freak
This dude is easily the most interesting drummer YOU KNOW in years.
FOR ME TO POOP ON ! ! !
Awesome! I actually teach (guitar) an odd meter class at Musicians Institute, and this beast is one of many in my "9/8" section--awesome!! Extra kooky because (on the record) it actually doens't start on "1," like you said. BADASS!!!! So cool hearing a badass drummer talking about this passage!!! KILLIN'!!!!
I started playing drums at 7 years old by putting on my dad’s Zep albums and matching Bonham. This is the first odd time song I learned and I felt like a legend.😅
That kind of microphone leakage (drums echo into voice mic) whenever he starts speaking is so beautifully haunting!
I think every drummer has played along to The Crunge. Hi hat openings nice but I have always loved the ghost notes. Great analysis and should definitely record more of these.
Struggled to learn this song, in the early '80s... the time signature changes really fucked me up since I was a 2 year novice. The crazy thing is- that my mentor told me the very same things you instructed (IE: don't count it out just feel it...) an coincidently was (is) a lefty. 👍
This is the song that changed my life when I first heard it when I was 13. It was the coolest thing I'd ever heard!
ILAN!!! YOU'VE JUST PLAYED "THE PERFECT DRUG" FOR THE FIRST TIME EEEVEEER!!!
OH MY OH MY OH MYYY GOODNESS!!!
WHAT A BEEEAAAST!!!
I love how you slowed it down to where we could really tell where the ghost notes are, thank you very much!
Idk why but odd time signatures always make songs so much more interesting and fun to listen to
Worked this groove up today. All made sense when I thought of it starting on the 5 count. Leave it to Zep to try and make a James Brown groove but do it in 9/8. hahah.
Such a good drummer! I need one like him
Love his playing and my favorite Album too...
This is absolutely a brilliant analysis.
so glad he joined nine inch nails. all parties involved hit the musical jackpot there in that merger
Love the 'cotton things' in the floor tom!!
THE BESTVERSION of this is on how the west was won...pure tight groove...a band at its peak, sounds like it was done ...NOW
I don't even play the drums. Fantastic
Ilan is the man. Stellar drummer and great teacher. Love this video.
Bonham and Copeland are my 2 faves, too! Great vids!
Has anyone seen the bridge?
Where’s that confounded bridge?
been looking for that fucking bridge for decades now...
I love Josh Freese and DW Drums... But after having the blessing of seeing both you and Pino play with NIN in my hometown...that was a inspiration point in my music career. Keep up all your awesome.
I wish Ilan was my drum instructor. So articulate and calm. But damn he's got a mean left hand. Always playing the hi-hats with his left hand. That's always one of the things I've admired about his style. And I just love him in NIN. Anyway, this is an insightful lesson. It makes sense and is one of the easier lessons to follow. Playing the hi-hats without either opening them, or closing them definitely helps when first learning this groove. My hi-hat skills are lacking so I definitely need to work on improving them. The different camera angles and the pace of the playing also helps out a lot. I'd love to see more lessons of his favorite songs in the future. Good stuff right here.
Nice demo. Thanks!
AMAZING drummer!
Ilan has become somewhat of a personal hero of mine.. I love his work with NIN, saw him again last week in Atlanta. And now he is running around the stage playing (hope I recall them all) - drums (duh), bass, guitar, piano, and chello! Love his open-handed playing - after 30 years of drumming I made the switch about 3 years ago (it's still a work in progress). If I were to start teaching again, I'd try to show every young player the pure logic of matched grip and open handed playing. Keep up the great work Ilan!!
Listen. There are tons of Zep tunes in odd times. Even though the majority of Black Dog....The reason it's so hard to time the breaks is because the tune is 5/4. So if you know where you are on the studio version, ya can nail it. But, still tons off odd time with Bonzo. He just makes everything groove so well, it's not really noticeable. The Ocean, parts of Achilles, 4 sticks, and on.....Still, great job explaining this beat
LISTEN.
HEAR. On Houses, besides the Crunge, on Houses The ocean is not in 4/4 the entire time on the same album. That's just off the top of my head. One thing that made Zep/Bonham so great, they can play odd times, yet groove so hard, ya don't even notice.
Yeah. Homeboy lost me when he said "one of the only zep tunes in an odd time signature".lmao
To be fair the vast majority of Led Zep songs are 4/4 though. But also it's true that John Bonham had that psychological effect that he could be playing so many odd meter things and it just sounds 4/4 because it grooves so hard! And maybe Ilan, who is of course also a wonderful drummer, even his ears get fooled. : )
Toast Tee...what? Maybe we should all LISTEN to your genius and forget what Ilan Rubin says. Suppose you’re the next Nine Inch Nails drummer are you! I bet you don’t even play the drums to a decent level. Can you even play a straight half time shuffle?
What is it with UA-cam experts? Desperate to make their mark. Which would be fine if it were not bollocks.
Such a good drummer
listen up bonzo babies! bonham was not a trained drummer. he was a prodigy that played by ear. he didnt focus on technical drumming. he could find the groove anytime and anywhere. he knew how to tune those drums to get the best grooviest and funkiest sounds. he was a master and a magician that made it all work by ear babies! groove on bonzettes!
I’m by no means putting myself in Bonzo’s class of course, but the best drummers I know were self-taught. My elder brother and I both worked really hard at it (the hint of sibling rivalry no doubt helped us a touch) because it was something we really wanted to be able to do. I’m not sure that’s possible with a kid that’s being forced to take lessons etc. My parents, one musical, on not so much, saw that thin film of talent (or wanted to see it, however limited) booked me some lessons with a local music teacher. I went along of course but I pretty much ignored the chap and asked him if I could just jam for my hour and a half or whatever it was. He didn’t like my approach but it was a really lovely drum kit and he got paid so he just left me to it in the end, bless his cotton socks :) :) Anyway, from whichever direction you hail, keep on slappin’ them thar skins with as much enthusiasm you can muster!!
its unfair because he's so good with his left hand
Fantastic video
So good
Love it ! Thank you so much for another great lesson, Ilan. You really inspire me.
this is incredible, thanks reverb and ilan for making this! awesome!
Awesome lesson, thanks so much. Ilan is a very very good drummer.
I don’t even drum but I love watching this guy teach drums
Thank you! You referred to the bass drum for what it is.... a bass drum, not a kick. Thank you so much. Also, your playing is spot on!
Amazing drumming, and holy cow! Love the sound of that kit!!
This was great!! Makes me want to go dig into this beat for a couple of hours😀
YES!!!!
...nice job ...nailed it
....thx !
great teacher
not being a drummer, i have always hated the crunge..you have changed my opinion.. thats crazy cool dude
Great!!!
Excellent player!
Awesome man I think it's exactly right. I mean it just seems a tiny bit different I don't mean the sound. Just the sticking he does. He had such a remarkable feel some times it's tough to pinpoint precisely what he was doing
thanks! after 2 weeks i can play it.
the crunge seul titre qui n aurait pas dû figurer sur un album de Led Zeppelin, mais qui aurait eu sa place sur Coda qui est un grand hommage à Bonzo , tant il est présent sur tous les morceaux et the crunge est une preuve de plus de son immense talent
Ilan Rubin effin' RULES! Such a great drummer! Fellow leftie!
First saw him play "Cars" live with NIN and thought he was amazing
Holy Houses that was great.
Iian Rubin is a very very good drummer. I smile at the Bohnam-style kit he brings to NIN, it seems a bit anachronistic.
AND WHEN THOSE KEYBOARD HORNS HIT, OH BABY LOOK OUT!
IIan gets it I’d say he’s found that bridge.
Lynda White just because he followed the hint from Paul Simon and Art GarFUNKel to look over those troubled waters
Livio Ferrami Ha Ha you got it Livio I concur 100 percent.
Ilan Rubin is a such a talented player. An absolute BEAST!!! he is...Bonham re-incarnated.
I love you
Rad dude! Let’s Jam some Zep again next time you’re in Tokyo!
The Crunge !!
I can't find any tutorials on the bridge section.
IR is a genius! Prince-esque
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pretty neat snare sound! I would love to see how they got rid of the rim that starts when he finishes playing
i saw him open for tom delonge, he sounded like lenny kravitz meets Kiss. paul stanley...lol very cool. 1970ish rock type feel. hes great
Dang Snare man. Riiinnnggggg LOL!! Ive heard open but Damn!LOL Nice Video,thanks!
Yeah, I was concerned when I heard that lol.
@@ssonicdeafmonkey Yeah the compression of the type of mic I think is why it sounds good.however turn that off and I bet it would sound like ass not mic'd up.all I know is a cpl small pieces of tape or moongel would help.or O ring I suppose.
That's interesting. I guess that's why ppl say don't chase the drum sound on a recording (I still do though lol). As for the ring, I'd say he needs to tune that reso head.
@@ssonicdeafmonkey nooo doubt.lol
Thanks 🙏
love it!!
Why are you playing your snare and hihat with the wrong hands?
I watched this entire video and I'm just trying to find the bridge. Where is the confounded bridge?
Love your drumming mate ! Hope you work with crazy Tom D again one day too.
You think you could break down pearl jams cropduster
35 flat earthers
Nice !!
Man this guy is so in the pocket and interesting
I gotta take a poll because I didn't realize this was even possible. How many drummers here count when they're playing and how many don't count when they're playing? I always just assumed all drummers always count.
Saam i’m not a great example because i suck at drumming, but i had a better time internalising a beat by listening to it rather than counting it out loud. i still have trouble counting out loud. i think zach hill does something similar, focussing on the groove and its feel rather than the count.
Wait a minute, do really need to count when you play a 8rock beat?
I can't count when I play. All I count is maybe bars.
I think one trick is, if you can sing, or beat box a pattern, you pretty much play it; or at least you are halfway there. Because if you can't sing it, you are basically not listening it all right.
I watched a video with Danny Carey talking about playing in odd times and he claims he doesn't like to count them out but rather play them by feel. We all know what a monster Danny is playing odd time signatures.
Interesting, thank you for the replies. I definitely didn't mean to phrase it to sound like you should/have to be counting, I just always assumed drummers were the one group of musicians who necessarily counted so Ilan's comment in the video just made me start to think.
Counting honestly makes it harder for me. I find it easier to just feel it.
Where’s that confounded bridge?
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Where’s the confounded bridge
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Bonham #1
Rush, Led Zeppelin, AC/DC and Judas Priest are among THE best bands ever........IMO of course
This song is PROOF that Zep invented Disco! Never even would have found this song if it weren't for Tools cover of No Quarter
they really didnt invent disco
Cool lesson. I wonder if Karen Carpenter could play it? 🤔
Why is he hitting the hithat with his left hand?
Great explanation but can't hear the ghost notes
my god this is harder then fool in the rain..
Sounds like the de la soul magic number beat, though that one was shifted a little to be straight 4/4
Yeah it's a sample
Well obviously, the whole album is samples, just never realized that one was John bonham.
Timestamp 5:25, 6:04
Can't hear your ghost notes. Your snare mic isn't picking them up, it sounds very empty.
Is he using 1a or a different sticks now
Great sounding hi-hats-what are they?