I am an avid comic reader, and i've NEVER heard of Lawless. I legitimately don't know why they chose her instead of literally anyone else. But then again, i'm glad they chose her, because that means that they won't ruin another beloved character.
@compromisedreality8827 They probably added her just so they don't have to pay as much royalties to a more established character. That's my theory at least.
She’s only had a few brief and rare appearances in the comics not really a lengthy career overall. she started in the deadshot comics and showed up a couple of times only during the new 52… yeah, she’s that level of obscure characters even among comic readers.
@MSTUD10S i think that's better than a more used character since they are not going to write a good character, the joker and Ms. Freeze are examples of well known characters that were unproperly written.
I literally had to pause the video and process everything when it was revealed the game brought back the maps for Asylum and Knight, only for the game to make you save Green Lantern. JUST PULL THE PLUG ON THIS GAME ALREADY!
@@TheRoxBox99 The problem is that they can’t. All the seasonal content is already made, and their contract states that it all must be released, through seasonal updates, before they can pull the plug. After season 4.5 is released though, it’ll most likely be completely done.
Technically speaking, Lawless *is* an OC because they just reworked Zoe Lawton's alter-ego "Liveshot" and reworked it to "Lawless." The pinnacle of creativity, folks.
Doesn't the idea of taking Deadshot's daughter and turning her into a super villain undermine everything Floyd wants for her into being better than him? It's pretty hilarious that Lawless has a design that resonates with Concord's art direction like the puffy orange coat. An this game I guess confused Bloodsport with Deadshot as Floyd loves his kid and wants her to be better than he could whereas, since the movie, Bloodsport was depicted as wanting his daughter to be better but he is terrible at being a dad. It's kinda funny Bloodsport was only brought into the film because WB wanted to leave a backdoor open incase Will Smith wanted to return as Deadshot. Then the slap heard round the world occurred and then the reboot happened. Bloodsport in the film is literally made to be a carbon copy of Deadshot because they swapped names, gotta give Jimmy Pew Pew some credit, design for Bloodsport in the movie looks sick and really is a far better handling of Deadshot's character than the first movie.
The game really should have used Bloodsport instead. It would be better than retconning the original Arkham Deadshot as someone interdimensionally displaced. And Bloodsport killing a white Bloodsport would make more sense because of the neo-Nazi Alex Trent taking the Bloodsport name.
The most cringe thing is not the fact that they disrespected lantern, or made Deadshot a bad dad, but the fact Clownpuncher139 didn’t say that in the intro.
From what I can tell, what they were trying to do with Lawless's gameplay was sort of what a game named Gravity Rush did for the main characters powerset/movement options where it's more like changing gravity to fall in a direction you aren't supposed too, rather than actual flying, but they only went halfway with implementing that, and it ends up not working. So basically, if you want Lawless's movement half of her gameplay done well, you go play Gravity Rush 1 and 2. (They're both on PS4, and PS5 thanks to backwards compatibility at least)
They could have just done Peacemaker using the same Anti-Grav traversal. He had an Anti-Grav helmet in the show. And he's actually a member of the Suicide Squad. Speaking of which, why even call it that if nobody has or ever will die?
I heavily agree with the point about the villain roster for this game, I’ve been asking for characters like clayface or cheetah, so not every character is just “guy with guns” But, to play devil’s advocate, Deathstroke is a Nightwing/teen titans nemesis, so he’s technically branching out a bit.
awesome, we've gone from people beefing with Batman to people beefing with Batman's kids (dont forget that Arkham Deathstroke has always been a Batman villain)
@@HondaCivic0053 Deathstroke was never actually a Batman villain, he’s not even part of the official rogues gallery. He’s just considered to be one because of Arkham Origins marketing and popularity, but in reality he’s only really interacted with Batman a few times, and it never went deeper than “somebody paid me to kill you” Deathstroke’s real beef has always been with the titans, especially since he was introduced as a titans villain and has actual personal rivalry against its members.
Not gonna lie I might’ve gotten it if A) They didn’t assassinate the Arkham/Dc cast in every meaning of the word B) If it at least was on the level of Freeze’s update and didn’t get any worse before or after the base game C) It didn’t force itself to connect to Arkham or at least did a better job with it D) If the gameplay/story progression wasn’t so boring If they did at least a few of these, the game wouldn’t be dead even while it is still getting updates.
1:15 pretty sure even in the comics she’s not much of an actual character and the name Lawless was just something that was thrown around by her, but it was never an official ident. She’s more or less completely original character
By that logic the Arkham Knight is a completely original character, despite just being Jason Todd. In other words, no she's not a new original character lol.
@HOTD108_ yes and no,jason todd aka red hood is rather well known and has shown up alot vs this lady who is obscure even to the comic nerds But arkham knight specifically is technically original
I get that some of the JLs villains would be a pain to add. Obviously we aren't getting someone busted like Sinestro, Doomsday, or even Reverse Flash. But we couldn't get like Cheetah or Livewire or something? But they don't use guns, so that's impossible
Bro cheetah is absolutely busted as well She is blessed by the goddess of speed and is one of the strongest characters from dc She is the arch nemesis of wonder woman after all
The obvious thing they could do would be to add Metallo, yeah he normally doesn’t use guns but as a cyborg it would be a pretty easy change to implement /easy to believe that he would use them…
On then topic of how racist it is to make Deadshot a bad dad after making him black: Isn't that Bloodsport's shtick? They MUST'VE written this thing with James Gunn's SS movie in mind. They really did extract the character trait of a different black man and implanted it into another and hoped we didn't notice!
@@star-rock6466 well its adhering to the negative stereotype of "absent black father" to character who had the opposite attitude with his daughter in every other adaptation
They really should have used Bloodsport instead. It would have been perfect if Bloodsport took Deadshot's place in this game. They won't even need to remove the references to a white imposter he killed, just change the imposter from a variant from another Earth to Alex Trent, a member of the Aryan Brotherhood who used the Bloodsport codename.
I have a feeling that we might not see Batman in any of these seasons. I mean… this map was Gotham. It makes sense for them to rescue Batman, not Green Lantern
And this is canon to the arkhamverse when Gotham Knights isn't.. because..? I've been playing GK and while it's not *GOOD*, it's a serviceable game and has actually been fun with friends. Batgirl gets an Arkham glide, Nightwing has a trapeze he flies with, Red Hood gets mystical double jumps (Lazarus Pit magic ig), and Robin uses slideways or some form of teleport tech FROM THE JL to get around. Pretty fuckin' cool concepts. I have no idea why Batgirl specifically picked up tonfas as a weapon, but everything else makes sense. Nightwing has his zap sticks and darts, Red Hoot beats people with his guns as melee attacks and has special ammo, Batgirl gets batarangs to go with tonfas, and Robin has a bo staff and.. a slingshot, I guess..? They only need to change the intro segment a bit to even fit the Arkhamverse games, where it leads off after the Knightfall ending of Knight, and followed up by Gordon dying to set up the police hating the group, and maybe a small recovery segment of where Oracle returns to being Batgirl. Sure you nerf Red Hood a bit by making him NOT the Lazarus Pit guy, but then he gets a bunch of cool tech from being the Arkham Knight which could lead to fun things. Still, what they have has been working alright overall. The map is huge and fun to explore, combat is slow but it's nice to feel the hits, everyone has unique gimmicks (Batgirl is designed for stealth when you're dealing with laser grids, Robin is best for stealth takedowns, Red Hood's your jack of all trades grappler, and Nightwing is agile support for some reason?). Game deserved more love than it got and it's still better than Suicide Squad.
The base game: Full of crap that creates problems First update: Huge missed potential Second update: Promising direction This update: Is just nothing It’s disappointing how the Squad which is known for variety when it comes to the team in so much media, having mostly either Batman adjacent characters, with 2 of them being major Batman villain variants, like it is insane how many characters who even if they were Batman related, they could fit the squad way more than any of the ones beyond the base game.
Its because no one really fits in the game besides batman characters who are street level for the most part Like from superman who are they going to use? What about green lantern? Wonder woman is also obviously a no Only ones i can see they also using is from arrow and the flash But flash has a problem that its supervillains are either speedsters or use their own weapons like captain cold or heat wave It was already a really long stretch to put boomer and shark in the game so yes gameplay is the biggest factor limiting them
Why did WB specifically choose the black Green Lantern to fall into lava? That had better been a fear toxin effect, or I'm not buying anymore of WB's games.
@@fangzgaming5510 I don’t see how it’s a racism thing. But making the villain who has the redeeming factor of being a dad who cares and tries a total deadbeat already really rubs me the wrong way. I wouldn’t trust WB even if they said the sky was blue!
@@deadmemes719 I could see the writers and "consultants" of this game are having a hard time balancing the push for the BLM message and projecting their own daddy issues into the story.
Can they like hurry up with the rest of freeing the JL atp and do some stupid cliche time travel thing where they stop Braniac beforehand and then boom everything is back to normal again and we can get the next Batman Arkham game and games for the other JL members or maybe even just a whole JL game I NEED ROCKSTEADY BACK PLEASEE IM COPING
huh, i thought this lawless was from another dimension and deadshot's whole routine about not really knowing her was because she was a different version of his daughter. i don't know how i came to that conclusion... could've actually helped if it was legit, though. i guess.
I am a DC Fan for years. I watch movies and series, play the video games and read Comics. Still, never heard of Lawless... I wanted to give this Game a Chance, but at this point, I only want to see how Batman returns (gets rescued) and move on and never look at the game again.
I actually like the idea of using a new character instead of a popular one, but her characterization is lacking. Her intro tells us her gimmick is that shes a robinhood character that goes against the government to help the people that it subjugates. What she actually does is team up with Amanda Waller (the character who's whole deal is being a shadowy government type character) and blame the squad for being apart of Task Force X, despite the fact they were forced to do so under penalty of death. Her motivations conflict with each other, making her either inconsistent as a character or a massive hypocrite, either way it's bad. Wish they did more with her. Also, I don't think Deadshot called Zoe 13 because he genuinely didn't know, its because he still sees her as his kid, its like that Dr Doofenshmerts meme.
I noticed something about Origins/City Deadshot since we are talking about Floyd's kid, Zoe Lawton that is 18 and was 13 during Arkham Knight which was Bruce's 12th year as Batman and that means she was 3 during Origins, but when you beat Deadshot in Origins he is welcoming death and expecting Bruce to kill him... Let that sink in... They retro-actively made loving father Deadshot a piece of shit who was okay with DYING WHEN HE HAD A 3 YEAR OLD AT HOME ON CHRISTMAS, worst part is that it was probably not on purpose and only made her 18 to be ""relatable"" This wasn't even what I originally came here to say but I felt like putting it out there when I realized it
the deadshot in the arkham games is a different person, the ssktjl version is apparently "the real deadshot" and the arkham one was a copycat who took over while he was raising lawless
It's even more complicated than that. The Deadshot from Origins and City was a different person entirely from the one in KTJL. We're told that the old Deadshot was a copycat and the new one is "the real one", however... In game Audio Logs present the idea that the old Arkham Deadshot (from City and Origins) might actually have been from an alternate dimension. The Deadshot in KTJL actually has a mini story in the audio logs where he investigates this. (One which we don't get a solid answer for) He seems to believe it already due to how perfect the other Deadshot was replicating his M.O. (Way more than just being a copycat, he describes it as literally fighting a perfect copy of himself, down to the skill and strategy being almost identical) So if that's true, then somehow that Deadshot was from another dimension and was either aware of it (and took the spot of the original Deadshot who was retired, possibly even presumed dead?) or somehow didn't realize he jumped worlds at all and just continued on like nothing happened. The problem with the story the game presents here, is that KTJL Deadshot retired for his daughter, but then comes out of retirement to kill the guy he originally thought to be a copycat ruining his reputation. Timeline wise the "copycat" Deadshot had been the main Deadshot since Origins. (Meaning his "copycat" alternate self had been operating for over a decade without KTJL Floyd noticing.)
@@DigitalArctic Oh I know all of that, but if ""fake"" Deadshot had basically the same M.O. then that would imply he also has a daughter as I feel like the other Deadshot would look for that if everything else was the same (Ik they don't say otherwise but they never confirm it either, Schrodinger's daughter) They could have cut the multiverse bullshit as people have had the exact same names, that's why we fingerprint criminals (One inmate had the same name and look as a guy from 100 years ago), we could have the copy cat angle be explained as "Oh this guy also named Floyd Lawton is the worlds best marksman, I can probably make some cash off of that guys rep" and that would not only make more sense but would be a good reason other Deadshot would want him dead
@@The_succ_of_87 Honestly assumed if the other Deadshot was indeed from another world that he would have a daughter. Since nothing is explained, he very well could have had his daughter in the Arkham timeline and not his original world. (But that speculation only works due to the lack of information.) Frankly this is one of the only usages of the Multiverse in the game I actually like, I only wish they actually did something with it rather than sweeping it under the rug. (I like how nobody in the world knows which Deadshot is real because they both have the same dna and fingerprints.) Without the multiverse part I genuinely dislike the copycat angle on its own for a bunch of reasons, but fundamentally I feel it kinda undermines the "old" Deadshot a bit. It's like getting catfished, spending years fighting "Deadshot" only to be told it was never the real one. The multiverse angle adds mystery and doesn't retroactively hurt the old Deadshot in Origins and City. It's a situation which raises more questions which I think is good in this case.
I get the point about the squad members being batman themed, but seriously, Killer Moth needs to be added. Although all the fights would be like Electrocutioner.
There are a lot of decisions in this game that I disagree with, but at least I can understand where they were coming from and how they might have thought they could work. The one decision that makes zero sense is to keep reusing Brainiac for the final boss, especially when Brainiac just copies the previous boss fights in the game. They have an entire multiverse of characters to choose from--Brainiac could easily have 'collected' other allies, heroes or villains, and pitted them against the Squad. Between that and the bizarre choices for DLC characters, I have to wonder if WB really limited what characters they were allowed to use.
I've heard of Lawless but in rhe comics from what I've researched in preparation for the update she sort of "takes up" the mantle of Deadshot in her own way after Floyd dies
Lawless looks like she controls similar to Kat in Gravity Rush, just not as well done. Which is a shame, because a shooter with Gravity Rush's movement is an odd but really creative and potentially cool idea. Now I want a game built from the ground up with that movement and combat in mind.
Remember Screwball from Marvel's Spiderman? How she too was a 'social media influencer' but was not only overly obnoxious and reviled by fans of the game, but importantly she was 'meant' to be overly obnoxious and reviled by the fans? Yeah, someone must have instead saw both Mary Hamilton and Blackwoman from Batwoman season 2 and thought 'hey, let's combine these two cuz they're so great and people love them!'
I feel like they literally just copied bloodsport from The Suicide Squad when he was shown as a pretty bad dad Also im glad they didn't rescue batman this season because i want deathstroke to do that
While I’m aware Zoe and Lawless are a Thing in the Comics, who in everything that’s Holy though In Rocksteady or SweetBaby Inc. was a Great Idea for this and who was Smoking and Drinking stupid Crazy Pills at the same time? I believe MK1 Deserves a Huge Apology, while the Game has Flaws at least the Game is Fun to Play and is less Grinning, THIS DLC is the Penalty of pure Desperation and Greed, Lawless is a Fusion of Deadshot, Miles Morales, Screwball, and Livewire but more Boring and Soulless as a Matter of Fact Livewire would be perfect for a Squad Member or Peacemaker or better yet Bloodsport, the Dialogues with Lawless with Deadshot and Waller are Worse and have no Lore in them like it’s a Waste of Time that it makes the Avengers Game Underrated, the Bosses are the Same, the Waste of Money is Disgusting, the Dialogues are Cringyer, and the worst thing about this is that we have 7 Episodes left and 3 more characters to end this Crap, while Deathstroke better be Amazing and Groundbreaking, it’s not officially confirmed but it’s speculated that Killer Croc and Katana are Next
Honestly if I have to write season 4 then some things I would change are. first of all, move the gotham city map to the deathstroke one for obvious reasons. Second of all have easter eggs and clues of the rest of the bat family and gotham in general putting resistants. Hear the distant gunshots of red hood fighting, the shadows of the league of assassins jumping on roofs, find a radio with cash on the other side directing orders to all the remaining police officers, and etc. Hell perhaps the story machines can have us assisting gotham city's final defenders, have a Misson where you protect the GCPD from getting overrun, help Jason and Dick get the Arkham Knight hideout back up and running so the tanks can be use, rescue Barbara from the overrun clock tower, and hell have a mission that has you finding Alfred who's fending off an army in the new batcave. And later on they all join you as AI partners who help storm braniac's ship. Ending it all with a boss fight with the actual mind controlled batman as the bat family try to recover him and them slowly dying one by one trying to do so, ending it all with an emotional kill of Alfred who sacrifice himself to end braniac and finally broke the mind control out of Bruce as he begins to mourning his dead family that die beacuse of him and he eventually kills himself in crime alley with the very gun that started it all. Sorry it got dark and this isn't everyone's cup of tea but I think it's a way to show that by abandoning the knightfall protocol he let his family die. If you want a less grousome idea then I can give one
Season 1: Pain to grind but unlocks a fun character. Season 2: Less grinding but adds something to the game Season 3: Unlock the same character but is worse in evey way
Interesting how they chose green lantern to be specifically the one that is black, and treat him like that, while also not making deadshot a good dead anymore. Can you explain, WB?
I saw the title and said: "There's a season 3?" I'm like 99% sure Lawless is an original character. I've never heard of her. She looks like that one character from Concord. Female black character, same hair, small round glasses, ridiculous puffy jacket. Also, if she really is Deadshot's daughter, that would really ruin the whole point of Floyd's story. Floyd wouldn't have allowed his daughter to do what he does and do his best to give her a normal life.
The funniest thing about Lawless is that there are at least 4 other characters that easily would’ve been more likely to be seen literally anywhere else.
Look, I’m not playing this game anymore, maybe I’ll give it a shot once all of the content has come out so I can just pick and choose what part of the game I want to play but at this point I just want them to save the justice league kill the remaining brainiacs and call it a day. I swear if we wait through all of this, just for the story to end on a cliffhanger that is never resolved would be really annoying… But maybe not as annoying as most of the squad?
All the seasonal content was completed prior to launch. Conroy recorded all of his lines, including ones from the DLC, prior to his passing. So yeah, we're getting him back.
they should have gotten bloodsport instead deadshot. they would't have to deal with the stupid two deadshot problem, where the one deadshot that's actually a batman villain, is somehow the fake one. they would also have a superman villain instead another batman villain. and I think fix the problem where he is a bad dad, I haven't read any bloodsport comics, but in the movie he is a good dad from what I remember.
Personally im just glad we have 2/5 JL members back. Again I do enjoy the game (idc what people say) but my main reason for continuing is for the JL's return
I kept saying that Manchester Black would have been an awesome SS member choice. Instead we get Lawless. Idk why they just didn’t make a game where you play as Batman’s rogues who fight him.
What I find extremely annoying about Lawless’s character is that she’s just a poorly written Robin Hood archetype, one of the simplest archetypes to write. “Take from the rich give to the poor,” doesn’t work when the thief is explained to be rich herself, she could easily give her money to the poor but instead chooses to steal from “the elite”. The entire point of a Robin Hood character is that they’re a traditional thief, but instead of stealing for themselves, they steal from the greedy and give it to those who actually need it, despite they themselves often being portrayed as a common, poor thief. It what makes these types of characters admirable. Zoey, however, just comes off as the “Mr. Beast” type of “progressive”. Speaking of, it doesn’t help how we’re supposed to be on her side when she’s constantly annoying and insufferably preachy.
In terms of character variety, who wins: Marvel's Avengers or Suicide Squad? You can stick to just the base game or go up to the black panther (pretty sure that was the 3rd dlc). Also who's more likable: Kate or Lawless?
I legit didn't even know Deadshot was in the base game. Every piece of review footage and clips I've seen almost all feature King Shark, Harley, or Joker.
Honestly the only good part about this game is that we know Batman is going to be rescued in season 4. They were legally obligated to do 4-5 seasons right?
There was a character in the Suicide Squad called "Lawless". Execpt he was male, and from WW2. There is a version of Zoe on the Prime Earth during the New 52 run in DC, but her codename is "Liveshot". Either way, this is character that NO ONE cared about, let alone knew.
I hate the fact she’s an influencer. Those types of villains are SO ANNOYING… Not to mention being voiced by Screwball made it even worse.
WHAT!? I never caught on with that
Wait the girl behind Screwball voices her here?
@@csquared84 The one who voiced Screwball in the Spider-Man PlayStation games.
omg it's borderlands 3 all over again, isn't it?
That is NOT Stephanie Lemelin
I am an avid comic reader, and i've NEVER heard of Lawless. I legitimately don't know why they chose her instead of literally anyone else. But then again, i'm glad they chose her, because that means that they won't ruin another beloved character.
Lawless really just feels like some shitty fanfic OC slapped onto a legit DC IP game, what the hell?
@compromisedreality8827 They probably added her just so they don't have to pay as much royalties to a more established character.
That's my theory at least.
She’s only had a few brief and rare appearances in the comics not really a lengthy career overall. she started in the deadshot comics and showed up a couple of times only during the new 52… yeah, she’s that level of obscure characters even among comic readers.
“Ruined” is such a dumb take for any of the characters
@MSTUD10S i think that's better than a more used character since they are not going to write a good character, the joker and Ms. Freeze are examples of well known characters that were unproperly written.
I literally had to pause the video and process everything when it was revealed the game brought back the maps for Asylum and Knight, only for the game to make you save Green Lantern.
JUST PULL THE PLUG ON THIS GAME ALREADY!
Fr just put the fries in the bag and move on, unfortunately they already made and announced a bunch of stuff and they can't do that this far in
@@TheRoxBox99 The problem is that they can’t. All the seasonal content is already made, and their contract states that it all must be released, through seasonal updates, before they can pull the plug. After season 4.5 is released though, it’ll most likely be completely done.
@@ClownPuncher139 I know that much, I'm just screaming my hatred of the game into the void
@@ClownPuncher139Does that mean when they finally save Batman, Kevin Conroy made lines, so he’s practically acting beyond the grave?
Agreed dude
Technically speaking, Lawless *is* an OC because they just reworked Zoe Lawton's alter-ego "Liveshot" and reworked it to "Lawless."
The pinnacle of creativity, folks.
Doesn't the idea of taking Deadshot's daughter and turning her into a super villain undermine everything Floyd wants for her into being better than him? It's pretty hilarious that Lawless has a design that resonates with Concord's art direction like the puffy orange coat.
An this game I guess confused Bloodsport with Deadshot as Floyd loves his kid and wants her to be better than he could whereas, since the movie, Bloodsport was depicted as wanting his daughter to be better but he is terrible at being a dad.
It's kinda funny Bloodsport was only brought into the film because WB wanted to leave a backdoor open incase Will Smith wanted to return as Deadshot. Then the slap heard round the world occurred and then the reboot happened.
Bloodsport in the film is literally made to be a carbon copy of Deadshot because they swapped names, gotta give Jimmy Pew Pew some credit, design for Bloodsport in the movie looks sick and really is a far better handling of Deadshot's character than the first movie.
The game really should have used Bloodsport instead. It would be better than retconning the original Arkham Deadshot as someone interdimensionally displaced. And Bloodsport killing a white Bloodsport would make more sense because of the neo-Nazi Alex Trent taking the Bloodsport name.
will smith can be used as cameo bait in like 10 years lol, but blood sport is fire
Lawless legit looks and feels like the main villain from the Paw Patrol movie... lol
Don’t ever start a video without saying g’day chaps again.
The most cringe thing is not the fact that they disrespected lantern, or made Deadshot a bad dad, but the fact Clownpuncher139 didn’t say that in the intro.
@@oofiethetroll2059 I’m so sorry…
@@oofiethetroll2059 Evil Clownpuncher be like “Bad day chaps!”
Oooh boy I thought I clicked on the wrong UA-camr with that intro
Everyone: “Who is your intro coach? The f**king Lego DC Supervillains?”
@@nextnerb I’m so sorry…
🤣🤣🤣 that intro was funny because it was so out of character props to ya clown
Demigah?
From what I can tell, what they were trying to do with Lawless's gameplay was sort of what a game named Gravity Rush did for the main characters powerset/movement options where it's more like changing gravity to fall in a direction you aren't supposed too, rather than actual flying, but they only went halfway with implementing that, and it ends up not working. So basically, if you want Lawless's movement half of her gameplay done well, you go play Gravity Rush 1 and 2. (They're both on PS4, and PS5 thanks to backwards compatibility at least)
@@SirIsaacFortesque Hell yeah! Gravity Rush was awesome! But yeah, I think they were going for that, but they definitely failed.
I thought her ability looked a bit familiar, nice to see Gravity Rush mentioned.~
GRAVITY RUSH MENTIONED, ME FEEL VERY HAPPY
They could have just done Peacemaker using the same Anti-Grav traversal. He had an Anti-Grav helmet in the show. And he's actually a member of the Suicide Squad.
Speaking of which, why even call it that if nobody has or ever will die?
Brand recognition.
A twink joker, a bus driver mrs.freeze, and now afro dead shot 😭😭what are these dlc bro
The Twinkler
@@TheBatman39 no ........the joke
@@officerspooder at least the twink's hot tho
I heavily agree with the point about the villain roster for this game, I’ve been asking for characters like clayface or cheetah, so not every character is just “guy with guns”
But, to play devil’s advocate, Deathstroke is a Nightwing/teen titans nemesis, so he’s technically branching out a bit.
awesome, we've gone from people beefing with Batman to people beefing with Batman's kids (dont forget that Arkham Deathstroke has always been a Batman villain)
But according to DC and some fans, Deathstroke is a Batman villain
@@JojokimVT Yeah, that misconception’s gonna last an eternity.
@@HondaCivic0053 Deathstroke was never actually a Batman villain, he’s not even part of the official rogues gallery. He’s just considered to be one because of Arkham Origins marketing and popularity, but in reality he’s only really interacted with Batman a few times, and it never went deeper than “somebody paid me to kill you”
Deathstroke’s real beef has always been with the titans, especially since he was introduced as a titans villain and has actual personal rivalry against its members.
I'm seeing double in the comment section. 😅 👀
Concord looking character design.
the more i see of this game the more im happy i didn't waste 70 dollars on it
Not gonna lie I might’ve gotten it if
A) They didn’t assassinate the Arkham/Dc cast in every meaning of the word
B) If it at least was on the level of Freeze’s update and didn’t get any worse before or after the base game
C) It didn’t force itself to connect to Arkham or at least did a better job with it
D) If the gameplay/story progression wasn’t so boring
If they did at least a few of these, the game wouldn’t be dead even while it is still getting updates.
And the more I am happy I used money on Lego DC super villains
@@anthonyoliver418 basically if the game wasn't what it is
This character legitimately looks like a Concord character
They need to just add killer moth to make the game actually good
1:15 pretty sure even in the comics she’s not much of an actual character and the name Lawless was just something that was thrown around by her, but it was never an official ident.
She’s more or less completely original character
By that logic the Arkham Knight is a completely original character, despite just being Jason Todd. In other words, no she's not a new original character lol.
@HOTD108_ yes and no,jason todd aka red hood is rather well known and has shown up alot vs this lady who is obscure even to the comic nerds
But arkham knight specifically is technically original
I love the Deadshot daughter dynamic we usually see. Let Bloodsport be the one who's a terrible dad, but keep Deadshot as a good father
I feel like this game can be summed up in one word WHY
Lawless is an original character, Zoe herself isn’t in the comics she became a super heroine name Liveshot.
lmao
I get that some of the JLs villains would be a pain to add. Obviously we aren't getting someone busted like Sinestro, Doomsday, or even Reverse Flash. But we couldn't get like Cheetah or Livewire or something? But they don't use guns, so that's impossible
@@brocksells197 Captain cold could've been good, but they already got Mrs Freeze so :/
I love your profile picture, so opium
But King Shark and Captain Boomerang don't use guns either, so that really shouldn't matter at this point.
Bro cheetah is absolutely busted as well
She is blessed by the goddess of speed and is one of the strongest characters from dc
She is the arch nemesis of wonder woman after all
The obvious thing they could do would be to add Metallo, yeah he normally doesn’t use guns but as a cyborg it would be a pretty easy change to implement /easy to believe that he would use them…
On then topic of how racist it is to make Deadshot a bad dad after making him black: Isn't that Bloodsport's shtick?
They MUST'VE written this thing with James Gunn's SS movie in mind. They really did extract the character trait of a different black man and implanted it into another and hoped we didn't notice!
@@huyphan7825 I don't think race here matters, it's kind of a stretch.
@@star-rock6466 well its adhering to the negative stereotype of "absent black father" to character who had the opposite attitude with his daughter in every other adaptation
They really should have used Bloodsport instead. It would have been perfect if Bloodsport took Deadshot's place in this game. They won't even need to remove the references to a white imposter he killed, just change the imposter from a variant from another Earth to Alex Trent, a member of the Aryan Brotherhood who used the Bloodsport codename.
I wish they'd stop adding Batman villains I think mirror Master would be cool as hell in this
I have a feeling that we might not see Batman in any of these seasons. I mean… this map was Gotham. It makes sense for them to rescue Batman, not Green Lantern
And this is canon to the arkhamverse when Gotham Knights isn't.. because..?
I've been playing GK and while it's not *GOOD*, it's a serviceable game and has actually been fun with friends. Batgirl gets an Arkham glide, Nightwing has a trapeze he flies with, Red Hood gets mystical double jumps (Lazarus Pit magic ig), and Robin uses slideways or some form of teleport tech FROM THE JL to get around. Pretty fuckin' cool concepts.
I have no idea why Batgirl specifically picked up tonfas as a weapon, but everything else makes sense. Nightwing has his zap sticks and darts, Red Hoot beats people with his guns as melee attacks and has special ammo, Batgirl gets batarangs to go with tonfas, and Robin has a bo staff and.. a slingshot, I guess..?
They only need to change the intro segment a bit to even fit the Arkhamverse games, where it leads off after the Knightfall ending of Knight, and followed up by Gordon dying to set up the police hating the group, and maybe a small recovery segment of where Oracle returns to being Batgirl. Sure you nerf Red Hood a bit by making him NOT the Lazarus Pit guy, but then he gets a bunch of cool tech from being the Arkham Knight which could lead to fun things.
Still, what they have has been working alright overall. The map is huge and fun to explore, combat is slow but it's nice to feel the hits, everyone has unique gimmicks (Batgirl is designed for stealth when you're dealing with laser grids, Robin is best for stealth takedowns, Red Hood's your jack of all trades grappler, and Nightwing is agile support for some reason?).
Game deserved more love than it got and it's still better than Suicide Squad.
why did they steal moon girls design lol
" Influencer. "
Say it with me class.
Sell-out.
Here we go again with suicide squad kill the Arkhamverse
The base game: Full of crap that creates problems
First update: Huge missed potential
Second update: Promising direction
This update: Is just nothing
It’s disappointing how the Squad which is known for variety when it comes to the team in so much media, having mostly either Batman adjacent characters, with 2 of them being major Batman villain variants, like it is insane how many characters who even if they were Batman related, they could fit the squad way more than any of the ones beyond the base game.
Its because no one really fits in the game besides batman characters who are street level for the most part
Like from superman who are they going to use?
What about green lantern?
Wonder woman is also obviously a no
Only ones i can see they also using is from arrow and the flash
But flash has a problem that its supervillains are either speedsters or use their own weapons like captain cold or heat wave
It was already a really long stretch to put boomer and shark in the game so yes gameplay is the biggest factor limiting them
After the success of the second Suicide Squad movie, I'm baffled we haven't gotten Polka Dot Man as a DLC character yet.
The second SS movie was not a success buddy, it was a colossal failure for WB.
You must be from a different Earth in the multiverse lol
Why did WB specifically choose the black Green Lantern to fall into lava? That had better been a fear toxin effect, or I'm not buying anymore of WB's games.
@@fangzgaming5510 I don’t see how it’s a racism thing. But making the villain who has the redeeming factor of being a dad who cares and tries a total deadbeat already really rubs me the wrong way. I wouldn’t trust WB even if they said the sky was blue!
@@deadmemes719 I could see the writers and "consultants" of this game are having a hard time balancing the push for the BLM message and projecting their own daddy issues into the story.
Can they like hurry up with the rest of freeing the JL atp and do some stupid cliche time travel thing where they stop Braniac beforehand and then boom everything is back to normal again and we can get the next Batman Arkham game and games for the other JL members or maybe even just a whole JL game I NEED ROCKSTEADY BACK PLEASEE IM COPING
huh, i thought this lawless was from another dimension and deadshot's whole routine about not really knowing her was because she was a different version of his daughter. i don't know how i came to that conclusion... could've actually helped if it was legit, though. i guess.
Appreciate that you're fair with the game. Criticizing its lows while praising what it does well.
I am a DC Fan for years. I watch movies and series, play the video games and read Comics. Still, never heard of Lawless...
I wanted to give this Game a Chance, but at this point, I only want to see how Batman returns (gets rescued) and move on and never look at the game again.
The only reason I'm still following it.
They really made "Deadshot" into a total Deadbeat here. It's insultingly stupid how they wrote these two in particilar.
And let's not forget. Actually racist (ironic given that's one of the many slurs the makers of this game tried to slap on the fans)
I really just wanted reverse flash ngl
I actually like the idea of using a new character instead of a popular one, but her characterization is lacking. Her intro tells us her gimmick is that shes a robinhood character that goes against the government to help the people that it subjugates. What she actually does is team up with Amanda Waller (the character who's whole deal is being a shadowy government type character) and blame the squad for being apart of Task Force X, despite the fact they were forced to do so under penalty of death. Her motivations conflict with each other, making her either inconsistent as a character or a massive hypocrite, either way it's bad. Wish they did more with her. Also, I don't think Deadshot called Zoe 13 because he genuinely didn't know, its because he still sees her as his kid, its like that Dr Doofenshmerts meme.
I noticed something about Origins/City Deadshot since we are talking about Floyd's kid, Zoe Lawton that is 18 and was 13 during Arkham Knight which was Bruce's 12th year as Batman and that means she was 3 during Origins, but when you beat Deadshot in Origins he is welcoming death and expecting Bruce to kill him... Let that sink in... They retro-actively made loving father Deadshot a piece of shit who was okay with DYING WHEN HE HAD A 3 YEAR OLD AT HOME ON CHRISTMAS, worst part is that it was probably not on purpose and only made her 18 to be ""relatable""
This wasn't even what I originally came here to say but I felt like putting it out there when I realized it
the deadshot in the arkham games is a different person, the ssktjl version is apparently "the real deadshot" and the arkham one was a copycat who took over while he was raising lawless
It's even more complicated than that. The Deadshot from Origins and City was a different person entirely from the one in KTJL.
We're told that the old Deadshot was a copycat and the new one is "the real one", however...
In game Audio Logs present the idea that the old Arkham Deadshot (from City and Origins) might actually have been from an alternate dimension. The Deadshot in KTJL actually has a mini story in the audio logs where he investigates this. (One which we don't get a solid answer for) He seems to believe it already due to how perfect the other Deadshot was replicating his M.O. (Way more than just being a copycat, he describes it as literally fighting a perfect copy of himself, down to the skill and strategy being almost identical)
So if that's true, then somehow that Deadshot was from another dimension and was either aware of it (and took the spot of the original Deadshot who was retired, possibly even presumed dead?) or somehow didn't realize he jumped worlds at all and just continued on like nothing happened.
The problem with the story the game presents here, is that KTJL Deadshot retired for his daughter, but then comes out of retirement to kill the guy he originally thought to be a copycat ruining his reputation. Timeline wise the "copycat" Deadshot had been the main Deadshot since Origins. (Meaning his "copycat" alternate self had been operating for over a decade without KTJL Floyd noticing.)
@@DigitalArctic Oh I know all of that, but if ""fake"" Deadshot had basically the same M.O. then that would imply he also has a daughter as I feel like the other Deadshot would look for that if everything else was the same (Ik they don't say otherwise but they never confirm it either, Schrodinger's daughter)
They could have cut the multiverse bullshit as people have had the exact same names, that's why we fingerprint criminals (One inmate had the same name and look as a guy from 100 years ago), we could have the copy cat angle be explained as "Oh this guy also named Floyd Lawton is the worlds best marksman, I can probably make some cash off of that guys rep" and that would not only make more sense but would be a good reason other Deadshot would want him dead
@@The_succ_of_87 Honestly assumed if the other Deadshot was indeed from another world that he would have a daughter. Since nothing is explained, he very well could have had his daughter in the Arkham timeline and not his original world. (But that speculation only works due to the lack of information.)
Frankly this is one of the only usages of the Multiverse in the game I actually like, I only wish they actually did something with it rather than sweeping it under the rug. (I like how nobody in the world knows which Deadshot is real because they both have the same dna and fingerprints.)
Without the multiverse part I genuinely dislike the copycat angle on its own for a bunch of reasons, but fundamentally I feel it kinda undermines the "old" Deadshot a bit. It's like getting catfished, spending years fighting "Deadshot" only to be told it was never the real one. The multiverse angle adds mystery and doesn't retroactively hurt the old Deadshot in Origins and City. It's a situation which raises more questions which I think is good in this case.
They could have just used Bloodsport and have him kill the white supremacist who stole his name without any of these multiverse shenanigans.
Only thing that can save this game is a dlc themed around Electrocutioner tbh
I get the point about the squad members being batman themed, but seriously, Killer Moth needs to be added. Although all the fights would be like Electrocutioner.
Only good thing I can say about this game is that I personally loved the gameplay, I found it to be very fun, but that's it
At least we've only got one more season before we can play as Deathstroke and finally defeat the final brainiacs 😂😭
Hehehe you do realise it ssktjl
There are a lot of decisions in this game that I disagree with, but at least I can understand where they were coming from and how they might have thought they could work. The one decision that makes zero sense is to keep reusing Brainiac for the final boss, especially when Brainiac just copies the previous boss fights in the game. They have an entire multiverse of characters to choose from--Brainiac could easily have 'collected' other allies, heroes or villains, and pitted them against the Squad. Between that and the bizarre choices for DLC characters, I have to wonder if WB really limited what characters they were allowed to use.
I've heard of Lawless but in rhe comics from what I've researched in preparation for the update she sort of "takes up" the mantle of Deadshot in her own way after Floyd dies
Lawless looks like she controls similar to Kat in Gravity Rush, just not as well done. Which is a shame, because a shooter with Gravity Rush's movement is an odd but really creative and potentially cool idea. Now I want a game built from the ground up with that movement and combat in mind.
On the bright side, next season is batman :D
At this point, I’m just waiting for Batman to come back so we can pretend that he never died.
I have a feeling the deathstroke one will be superman and we don't get batman and I hope I am wrong
Remember Screwball from Marvel's Spiderman? How she too was a 'social media influencer' but was not only overly obnoxious and reviled by fans of the game, but importantly she was 'meant' to be overly obnoxious and reviled by the fans?
Yeah, someone must have instead saw both Mary Hamilton and Blackwoman from Batwoman season 2 and thought 'hey, let's combine these two cuz they're so great and people love them!'
Don't compare that show to this shit.
The way this game and it's gameplay looks will never fail to make me sick
I feel like they literally just copied bloodsport from The Suicide Squad when he was shown as a pretty bad dad
Also im glad they didn't rescue batman this season because i want deathstroke to do that
Huh, I didn't have a problem with this update. Also I'm use to DC having Batman be their mascot for so long that it doesn't bother me anymore
You are a braver man then i, i still havent touched this game since the joker came out the DLC just havent been it for me
While I’m aware Zoe and Lawless are a Thing in the Comics, who in everything that’s Holy though In Rocksteady or SweetBaby Inc. was a Great Idea for this and who was Smoking and Drinking stupid Crazy Pills at the same time? I believe MK1 Deserves a Huge Apology, while the Game has Flaws at least the Game is Fun to Play and is less Grinning, THIS DLC is the Penalty of pure Desperation and Greed, Lawless is a Fusion of Deadshot, Miles Morales, Screwball, and Livewire but more Boring and Soulless as a Matter of Fact Livewire would be perfect for a Squad Member or Peacemaker or better yet Bloodsport, the Dialogues with Lawless with Deadshot and Waller are Worse and have no Lore in them like it’s a Waste of Time that it makes the Avengers Game Underrated, the Bosses are the Same, the Waste of Money is Disgusting, the Dialogues are Cringyer, and the worst thing about this is that we have 7 Episodes left and 3 more characters to end this Crap, while Deathstroke better be Amazing and Groundbreaking, it’s not officially confirmed but it’s speculated that Killer Croc and Katana are Next
they should add live wire imagine her movement just zipping around as pure electricity
Honestly if I have to write season 4 then some things I would change are.
first of all, move the gotham city map to the deathstroke one for obvious reasons.
Second of all have easter eggs and clues of the rest of the bat family and gotham in general putting resistants.
Hear the distant gunshots of red hood fighting, the shadows of the league of assassins jumping on roofs, find a radio with cash on the other side directing orders to all the remaining police officers, and etc.
Hell perhaps the story machines can have us assisting gotham city's final defenders, have a Misson where you protect the GCPD from getting overrun, help Jason and Dick get the Arkham Knight hideout back up and running so the tanks can be use, rescue Barbara from the overrun clock tower, and hell have a mission that has you finding Alfred who's fending off an army in the new batcave.
And later on they all join you as AI partners who help storm braniac's ship. Ending it all with a boss fight with the actual mind controlled batman as the bat family try to recover him and them slowly dying one by one trying to do so, ending it all with an emotional kill of Alfred who sacrifice himself to end braniac and finally broke the mind control out of Bruce as he begins to mourning his dead family that die beacuse of him and he eventually kills himself in crime alley with the very gun that started it all.
Sorry it got dark and this isn't everyone's cup of tea but I think it's a way to show that by abandoning the knightfall protocol he let his family die.
If you want a less grousome idea then I can give one
Season 1: Pain to grind but unlocks a fun character.
Season 2: Less grinding but adds something to the game
Season 3: Unlock the same character but is worse in evey way
So basically screwball in dc? Come on we could have someone cool like Black manta or katana, instead we have this mess of a season.
I am honestly surprised that the game has made it this far, I thought they would abandon it right after season 1
9:05, Thank you!
Best season so far, such a cool map
Screwballverse
Ok I know this game is probably a waste but it looks so good 😭
tbf you can get a tiny smidge of enjoyment out of it but wait till it's on sale
Interesting how they chose green lantern to be specifically the one that is black, and treat him like that, while also not making deadshot a good dead anymore. Can you explain, WB?
What are you talking about?
@Voliopop He's trying to say that WB is racist
@@fangzgaming5510 oh I had a hunch that's what he was saying
@@fangzgaming5510 yeah but I mean as a joke I don't really think wb is racist because of two characters. Its just a funny coincidence
Who knows? Maybe Batman and Superman's return will get even worse treatment.
I knew she existed. But I far as I remember Zoe Lawton had nothing to do with the heros or villians save for being Daedshot's daughter.
I saw the title and said: "There's a season 3?"
I'm like 99% sure Lawless is an original character. I've never heard of her. She looks like that one character from Concord. Female black character, same hair, small round glasses, ridiculous puffy jacket.
Also, if she really is Deadshot's daughter, that would really ruin the whole point of Floyd's story. Floyd wouldn't have allowed his daughter to do what he does and do his best to give her a normal life.
The funniest thing about Lawless is that there are at least 4 other characters that easily would’ve been more likely to be seen literally anywhere else.
Zoe Lawson is beautiful, and she flows like a parkour expert.
I love it.
Day after day this game proves how much of a failure it truly is
I didn't even know about the Mr Freeze thing which shows you how dead the game is
Look, I’m not playing this game anymore, maybe I’ll give it a shot once all of the content has come out so I can just pick and choose what part of the game I want to play but at this point I just want them to save the justice league kill the remaining brainiacs and call it a day.
I swear if we wait through all of this, just for the story to end on a cliffhanger that is never resolved would be really annoying… But maybe not as annoying as most of the squad?
...I don't think Batman's coming back, Mr. Puncher. At least, not voiced by Kevin Conroy.
All the seasonal content was completed prior to launch. Conroy recorded all of his lines, including ones from the DLC, prior to his passing. So yeah, we're getting him back.
they should have gotten bloodsport instead deadshot. they would't have to deal with the stupid two deadshot problem, where the one deadshot that's actually a batman villain, is somehow the fake one. they would also have a superman villain instead another batman villain. and I think fix the problem where he is a bad dad, I haven't read any bloodsport comics, but in the movie he is a good dad from what I remember.
Personally im just glad we have 2/5 JL members back. Again I do enjoy the game (idc what people say) but my main reason for continuing is for the JL's return
I kept saying that Manchester Black would have been an awesome SS member choice. Instead we get Lawless. Idk why they just didn’t make a game where you play as Batman’s rogues who fight him.
"The tiktok kids are going to love this" ah dlc
Ever thought about doing suit combos in Arkham Knight?
I swear you are the only person who plays this game I tried to like it but the story is bad and the gameplay is fun for about 3 seconds
9:06 I didn’t even think about that 😮
What I find extremely annoying about Lawless’s character is that she’s just a poorly written Robin Hood archetype, one of the simplest archetypes to write.
“Take from the rich give to the poor,” doesn’t work when the thief is explained to be rich herself, she could easily give her money to the poor but instead chooses to steal from “the elite”. The entire point of a Robin Hood character is that they’re a traditional thief, but instead of stealing for themselves, they steal from the greedy and give it to those who actually need it, despite they themselves often being portrayed as a common, poor thief. It what makes these types of characters admirable. Zoey, however, just comes off as the “Mr. Beast” type of “progressive”. Speaking of, it doesn’t help how we’re supposed to be on her side when she’s constantly annoying and insufferably preachy.
I believe Lawless only appears in one issue.
In terms of character variety, who wins: Marvel's Avengers or Suicide Squad? You can stick to just the base game or go up to the black panther (pretty sure that was the 3rd dlc).
Also who's more likable: Kate or Lawless?
Quick question have you ranked every Arkham game over screens if not can you do it it’s fine if you don’t want to do that
8:23 why are lawless Stripes flying
I legit didn't even know Deadshot was in the base game. Every piece of review footage and clips I've seen almost all feature King Shark, Harley, or Joker.
I hope they at least try making deathstroke cool or im gonna have a stroke
What would her aslume name be? Law? Less? Dead's daughter?
Deaughter
6:30 I mean they already teased what time he would come with the calendar Easter eggs.
6:32 don’t remind me 😢
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I knew about Zoey's existence but only that she was deadshots kid. Had no idea she entered that side of the world.
Next update you go to save aquaman
Should've been croc, or grundy, or bane, or even condiment king
If Batman return, I'm gonna jonkling myself out of happiness and pleasure 😭🙏
Don’t you care about Superman and Wonder Woman ?
arkham shadows save us
Honestly the only good part about this game is that we know Batman is going to be rescued in season 4. They were legally obligated to do 4-5 seasons right?
After the 4th season they should decanonize this game and send all copies to new mexico along with E.T
I can excuse Deathstroke since he's not really a Batman character
One more season and then this game can rest in piss.
There was a character in the Suicide Squad called "Lawless". Execpt he was male, and from WW2. There is a version of Zoe on the Prime Earth during the New 52 run in DC, but her codename is "Liveshot". Either way, this is character that NO ONE cared about, let alone knew.