Would be cool for them to enable Shadow Mode/HA for the UNAS Pro instead of just backup scheduling. Where it would auto replicate files to the secondary unit as it detects changes and if the primary goes down the secondary auto takes over, when the primary comes up it keeps using the secondary until it replicates all the newer files back over to the primary.
I currently have Unifi stuff and am extremely glad they made this. I have had unifi products for several years now and one thing that I love about them is they keep a lot of their equipment updated and adding features on older equipment.
Today still not convinced paying for this new toy. Hopefully after six or twelve months timeline Ubiquiti can build up some good software package for user satisfying usage this nas
I'm a heavy Unifi user, and like all of their current units. But I'm having a hard time pulling the trigger on this device. Mostly because I like the possibility to add a couple of containers etc. For now I figured that TrueNAS Scale on an old QNAP NAS is actually a great upgrade, and carries a lot more features than a brand new Unifi system. Of course for a setup where you run everything on servers, and just need storage - The Unifi is perfect. I would prefer if it had dual 10Gbit SFP+ though, with a small internal switch. That would make it easier to drop in between other switches in the rack.
UNAS Pro seems perfect for me. I'm searching for not expensive, power efficient, 4+ bays NAS with 10G SFP and there was nothing even close to this price tag, except building my own NAS. So this has everything I need, I only wish it would have at least one M.2 slot for SSD. Apps like Immich and Plex I can install on SBC I already have, it has two 2.5 GbE ports on board, so that's more than enough for those apps.
It may not be top of the line but it's going to be secure and perfect for redundant backups one's coming my way now. Integrating into my existing UniFi setup makes it a no-brainer. Apps and multiple storage pools are not a concern for an inexpensive backup only device.
Looking forward to this video. I've been trying to decide on buying a second Synology for remote/duplicate backup, or changing ecosystems altogether...
The limited function would be a feature for a lot of business setups. Single function devices are more stable in my experience. It’s not a race horse, but looks to be fast enough to get the job done.
Regarding snapshots, the Lock Snapshot feature seems pointless according to your description. Based on what you say about deleting a snapshot and invalidating later snapshot versions, if you lock a snapshot, then delete an earlier snapshot, you have invalidated the locked snapshot.
I haven’t seen this addressed anywhere, but can you have too many backups? I’m totally invested in Synology and UniFi, and at the price point of this device it can easily be a proActive Protect device. No? Compare costs of a full NAS backup offsite. Heck, with a couple of these at different locations sneakernet can be used for restoration. Never under estimate the bandwidth of a fully loaded stationwagen … Thoughts?
Tough to answer this. I mean, your original question "can you have too many backups" - no, the answer is no. Have an 'F' tonne. Bit it's a question of bandwidth efficiency and cost Vs ROI.
@@nascompareswhich is why the economics of this device can be useful, my existing NAS performs all the heavy hitting quite well. However, a cost effective ‘offsite’ backup device would make a good argument for this. Are there any updates on Synology’s Active Protect?
does link sharing etc. work when doing through reverse proxy ? was this tested . Thnx. I assuming there will be limit on possible upload/download traffic ?
Is there any option to put the drives in standby mode after a specified period of inactivity? That would help save power in a home environment. That's a useful option on my current WD EX4100.
Cheers for (what I think) is a compliment! If it helps, I can confirm that UniFi haven't paid a penny and my opinions are..perhaps aggressively...my own!
Yes and no, all your files/ folders are stored on the drives, but not your configurations and users. So you can move your files to another UNAS and that’s it. However, you can backup the first UNAS’s configuration to the Ubiquiti cloud then restore that backup on the second.
@@samuelhulme8347 If a Synology hardware fails, you can buy the same hardware and just plug the drives into the new hardware and be up and running without losing data/formatting. This is like a huge feature.
Hold on now. The identity part does NOT say Enterprise. Does that mean that you can create users for the NAS from EntraID or log in with EntraID without enterprise subscription on the NAS?
Identity Enterprise can only be used to sync with other providers (like Entra ID). Identity without Enterprise can only use Ubiquiti SSO accounts or possibly local accounts. I might be wrong, but that is how it is for other Ubiquiti systems.
@@samuelhulme8347 Well yes. That’s why I’m asking. He showed a part of the gui that clearly indicated the option to log in to EntraID in the video in the Unifi Identity settings without any enterprise markings. That’s what prompted my question. That has to be new and i wonder if that is going to spread to VPN and WiFi too….
Care to test how this thing handles media when a plex server has it mapped and servers up streamed content from the unas to clients? I'd be very interested in the user experience.
As a NAS idiot, I have a clarifying question. Can this be set this up so a client can log into it and download files for their review on their machine that is outside the Unfi network?
I would like to know this as well. Does it have functionality similar to Synology Drive? I would like my NAS to function in the same way that I currently use DropBox: access or save files to a central location from any device, in any location.
Do you know which SMB it supports : 1, 2 or 3? Our ancient production machine is still XP 🤣 at least our DOS machine died 2 years ago so no need to support that.
That....is a good point! I'm just so used to SMB3 now that I didn't actually bloody check! The system is currently on a protected network at the office, but I'll check Monday. Apologies for the oversight
Currently this feels more like a SMB level SAN type file server than a NAS as we have grown to know and love them. Fine for file storage and backup for a small business team, but lack of containerisation for Synology basics like web server, download management, DB, photo gallery, media storage and playback (plex!!!!) would be a massive backward step for me, even though I'd love to adopt a full unifi system. Also, 8MB RAM nowhere near enough for anything beyond the most basic file management so i'm struggling t see how they could get any degree of containerisation working without increasing to 16 or or GB RAM. Will have to wait for the 3rd of 4th iteration maybe.
yes, will wait for them to create new hardware, as this reuse of nvr hardware with arm, will only ever really support basic smb/ file shares. not even rsync or other cpu critical replicate /backup protocols!
Things like containers were not really what a NAS was meant to be, NAS means Network Attached Storage. However, containers have become common across many NAS OSes mostly because people use powerful hardware and they don’t want it to go to waste. So, many NAS systems added containers and it’s a nice bonus feature. Since Docker has ARM builds available and runs on Linux it would be easy for them to implement.
Would be cool for them to enable Shadow Mode/HA for the UNAS Pro instead of just backup scheduling. Where it would auto replicate files to the secondary unit as it detects changes and if the primary goes down the secondary auto takes over, when the primary comes up it keeps using the secondary until it replicates all the newer files back over to the primary.
I currently have Unifi stuff and am extremely glad they made this.
I have had unifi products for several years now and one thing that I love about them is they keep a lot of their equipment updated and adding features on older equipment.
It's sad when you look up something to watch whilst eating dinner, and you think yes... in depth networking should do it ha ha
MATE! PREACH! I have do e exactly this with Tom @ Lawrence system's update breakdown and news vids. You sir, are not alone!!!!!
Today still not convinced paying for this new toy. Hopefully after six or twelve months timeline Ubiquiti can build up some good software package for user satisfying usage this nas
Exactly!
I'm a heavy Unifi user, and like all of their current units. But I'm having a hard time pulling the trigger on this device. Mostly because I like the possibility to add a couple of containers etc.
For now I figured that TrueNAS Scale on an old QNAP NAS is actually a great upgrade, and carries a lot more features than a brand new Unifi system.
Of course for a setup where you run everything on servers, and just need storage - The Unifi is perfect.
I would prefer if it had dual 10Gbit SFP+ though, with a small internal switch. That would make it easier to drop in between other switches in the rack.
UNAS Pro seems perfect for me. I'm searching for not expensive, power efficient, 4+ bays NAS with 10G SFP and there was nothing even close to this price tag, except building my own NAS. So this has everything I need, I only wish it would have at least one M.2 slot for SSD. Apps like Immich and Plex I can install on SBC I already have, it has two 2.5 GbE ports on board, so that's more than enough for those apps.
It may not be top of the line but it's going to be secure and perfect for redundant backups one's coming my way now.
Integrating into my existing UniFi setup makes it a no-brainer.
Apps and multiple storage pools are not a concern for an inexpensive backup only device.
Fairplay, cheers for your input bud
Looking forward to this video. I've been trying to decide on buying a second Synology for remote/duplicate backup, or changing ecosystems altogether...
Hold tight for tomorrow 's vid bud. Trust me
The limited function would be a feature for a lot of business setups. Single function devices are more stable in my experience. It’s not a race horse, but looks to be fast enough to get the job done.
Nice. Cheers for your POV
Regarding snapshots, the Lock Snapshot feature seems pointless according to your description. Based on what you say about deleting a snapshot and invalidating later snapshot versions, if you lock a snapshot, then delete an earlier snapshot, you have invalidated the locked snapshot.
Do we know what the underlying filesystem is on the drives? BTRFS? EXT4? Something else?
99% BTRFS. But will confirm that last 1% this weekend when I'm back at the office
Can we do phone backup as well like photos and videos.
Not yet, no
@@nascompares hopefully in the future
Is the ability to access the NAS from a mobile device? Remote access?
Would love to know aswell.
Noise level!?
I haven’t seen this addressed anywhere, but can you have too many backups? I’m totally invested in Synology and UniFi, and at the price point of this device it can easily be a proActive Protect device. No? Compare costs of a full NAS backup offsite. Heck, with a couple of these at different locations sneakernet can be used for restoration. Never under estimate the bandwidth of a fully loaded stationwagen … Thoughts?
Tough to answer this. I mean, your original question "can you have too many backups" - no, the answer is no. Have an 'F' tonne. Bit it's a question of bandwidth efficiency and cost Vs ROI.
@@nascompareswhich is why the economics of this device can be useful, my existing NAS performs all the heavy hitting quite well. However, a cost effective ‘offsite’ backup device would make a good argument for this. Are there any updates on Synology’s Active Protect?
does link sharing etc. work when doing through reverse proxy ? was this tested . Thnx. I assuming there will be limit on possible upload/download traffic ?
Is there any option to put the drives in standby mode after a specified period of inactivity? That would help save power in a home environment.
That's a useful option on my current WD EX4100.
Unfortunately, no. The only scheduled standby mode/adaption is related to the LEDs and LCD. Not HDDs or System hibernation
UniFi has a cult following that, at times, feels Apple-esque. It's good to know people can still critique the stuff when appropriate.
Cheers for (what I think) is a compliment! If it helps, I can confirm that UniFi haven't paid a penny and my opinions are..perhaps aggressively...my own!
love this deep dive !
Hope that it ticks the boxes for you!
If you stick in a new drive, how long does it take to initialize it? With my Synology it's like 24+ hours for a new 12tb drive
Very, very drive capacity dependant unfortunately. It's quick ..ISH ..bit again, very dependent on the capacity
Can you take all the drives from one UNAS and plug it into another UNAS and be up and running? synology can do this
Yes and no, all your files/ folders are stored on the drives, but not your configurations and users. So you can move your files to another UNAS and that’s it.
However, you can backup the first UNAS’s configuration to the Ubiquiti cloud then restore that backup on the second.
@@samuelhulme8347 If a Synology hardware fails, you can buy the same hardware and just plug the drives into the new hardware and be up and running without losing data/formatting. This is like a huge feature.
Did I miss or there is no iscsi configuration
Unfortunately, no.
Hold on now. The identity part does NOT say Enterprise. Does that mean that you can create users for the NAS from EntraID or log in with EntraID without enterprise subscription on the NAS?
Identity Enterprise can only be used to sync with other providers (like Entra ID). Identity without Enterprise can only use Ubiquiti SSO accounts or possibly local accounts.
I might be wrong, but that is how it is for other Ubiquiti systems.
@@samuelhulme8347 Well yes. That’s why I’m asking. He showed a part of the gui that clearly indicated the option to log in to EntraID in the video in the Unifi Identity settings without any enterprise markings. That’s what prompted my question. That has to be new and i wonder if that is going to spread to VPN and WiFi too….
I hope they make a 4 bay version slightly cheaper :D
Maybe wait the normal UNAS unit without “PRO”
this is already very cheap.
Care to test how this thing handles media when a plex server has it mapped and servers up streamed content from the unas to clients?
I'd be very interested in the user experience.
I can test this, but even casually I can tell you..the answer is 'poor'
@@nascompares thanks for the heads up.
Does it currently support SMB Multichannel?
Unfortunately not, no
very basic. as all unifi products (not only unifi) : we are the beta tester for the entire lifecycle of the product. It will grow
That's the hope
what's their hdd spec? i haven't seen the tech paper.
Their branded drives (at least, I can confirm the 8TB) are Toshiba MG08 enterprise HDDs
Is there a way to make the OS installable on a qnap/Terra master/DIY build?
Or on a unifi nvr?
Unfortunately, no. This is MASSIVELY restricted to just UniFi NAS systems
In theory someone could modify the software to do it, but Ubiquiti would get it ripped down as it's their software.
I need Raid 6 and folder encryption......otherwise this is no replacement option for my Synology NAS...so Ubiquiti get back to work :)
Ok, but raid 6 is (hopefully coming soon) and folder encryption is present
Is it based on true nas?
It isn't.
*what he said*
@@nascompares Sure, steal my glory 🙂
Still too limited. I prefer to wait until plex etc. is possible. thanks for the video
As a NAS idiot, I have a clarifying question. Can this be set this up so a client can log into it and download files for their review on their machine that is outside the Unfi network?
Yes, but that user will need to create a UI.com account (free) and even use 'identity endpoint' if you want it to be extra secure remotely.
I would like to know this as well. Does it have functionality similar to Synology Drive? I would like my NAS to function in the same way that I currently use DropBox: access or save files to a central location from any device, in any location.
@@gregmitchell899any NAS will allow you to upload files to it and access them from anywhere if you configure it properly.
Do you know which SMB it supports : 1, 2 or 3? Our ancient production machine is still XP 🤣 at least our DOS machine died 2 years ago so no need to support that.
That....is a good point! I'm just so used to SMB3 now that I didn't actually bloody check! The system is currently on a protected network at the office, but I'll check Monday. Apologies for the oversight
Currently this feels more like a SMB level SAN type file server than a NAS as we have grown to know and love them. Fine for file storage and backup for a small business team, but lack of containerisation for Synology basics like web server, download management, DB, photo gallery, media storage and playback (plex!!!!) would be a massive backward step for me, even though I'd love to adopt a full unifi system.
Also, 8MB RAM nowhere near enough for anything beyond the most basic file management so i'm struggling t see how they could get any degree of containerisation working without increasing to 16 or or GB RAM.
Will have to wait for the 3rd of 4th iteration maybe.
You sir, hit the nail on the head here! I'll admit .. better than my video summised!
yes, will wait for them to create new hardware, as this reuse of nvr hardware with arm, will only ever really support basic smb/ file shares. not even rsync or other cpu critical replicate /backup protocols!
Things like containers were not really what a NAS was meant to be, NAS means Network Attached Storage.
However, containers have become common across many NAS OSes mostly because people use powerful hardware and they don’t want it to go to waste. So, many NAS systems added containers and it’s a nice bonus feature.
Since Docker has ARM builds available and runs on Linux it would be easy for them to implement.
I think this boring video is exactly what the audience needs to watch. Way too much focus on servers when this is a NAS
AHH.. got you...you admit...this is boring and dull as dishwater! I knew it!!!!!
@@nascompares hey I’m just quoting here without the timestamp lol