Disregard my thoughts, somebody has made a more comprehensive breakdown on Joker's rules. This is from the PSMT discord server, specifically by CTOBN NOTE: If Joker gets a 1 More, that will be prioritized over using Sinful Shell, unless noted otherwise Both Fights - You cannot have Omnipotent Orb equipped to any party members - You cannot Null/Repel/Drain any of his attacks with 2 or more party members, or with Aigis at all. On lower difficulties, this is prioritized over a 1 More. - You cannot use Armageddon - You cannot ever start Joker's turn while a Tetrakarn or Makarakarn are up on your side - You cannot have any Charge or Concentrate effects active at the start of Joker's 1st turn - Not a rule break strictly, but at the start of his "20th turn" he will exclusively use Sinful Shell Heartless Only - You cannot have all 3 debuffs active on Joker at once when he starts his turn (for example, v v - is ok, but v v v is a rule break) - On the 2nd turn of phase 3 (turn 1 is Stagnant Air -> Poison Mist) he will use Sexy Dance. After the Sexy Dance, all living party members must have one of Poison or Charm. Additionally, each of Poison and Charm must be on at least 1 party member. - On the 2nd turn of phase 7 (turn 1 is Stagnant Air -> Tentarafoo -> Poison Mist) he will use Evil Smile -> Sexy Dance. After the Sexy Dance, each of Poison, Charm, Confuse, and Fear must be present on one of your party members. Phases - Phase advances each turn - Once his HP drops to 18,000 or less, if he hasn't reached it already, it will skip to his "11th turn", where he uses Will of Rebellion.
@@Jimmeeehhh You usually just have to lower his hp by 14000 and not more than 16000 before that point so you can move on to the next phase ignoring that.
Thank you brother! I’ve been getting pretty unlucky trying to get magic mastery on any persona, I don’t wanna spend hours getting one passive if it’s not necessary lol
@@CryptomGaming I saw that you can one turn him with shadow hound although that was on hard mode, no idea for heartless. Very awesome you did this in heartless too. I beat the dlc last week but haven't played around with joker yet.
He is very bs indeed, I heard you can one-shot him on lower diffs, and I watched some videos of it, and I noticed very significant changes joker does only on heartless difficulty.
@@CryptomGaming It doesn't have to be you, but I hope someone makes a video on the differences between Heartless and lower difficulties. I sure as hell am not fighting him on Heartless.
Thanks dude, I was losing sleep because of preparing and malding for this fight to get a strat working, I even ended up giving everyone firm stance because if you don't use it, you just get one-shot.
@@CryptomGaming yeah, you smashed it! I came close but ultimately lost due to bad RNG. So I havnt yet beaten him on heartless yet. I think you're the first to do it with evidence on UA-cam so congrats!
@@thecommondude Thanks, that would be a huge honor if so, I wasn't really watching much videos about Joker, but i did try to refer to a guide on how to beat him, but it was useless because it was for lower difficulties lmao.
@@thecommondude Yeah, I'm a bit of a maso for picking it the hard way always like on Elizabeth, and it was very satisfying when I won. Also additionally, i'm trying to write up my notes and thoughts of the boss on description to maybe help other players on beating Joker on heartless.
@@CryptomGaming damn that's a shame, you helped me during my tesla cup runs, but I can't blame you fgo's been pretty shit and the way it is now based on the JP server.
@@heistnberg3362 i've been playing since NA launch, and i'm glad I was able to help you before when I still used to make videos, they were just challenge runs for me to give me a reason to use free servants.
@@CryptomGaming Damn you old player then, also yeah that's why I also watched your vids in the first place, you were using f2p stuffs for beating cq's which I find very cool.
Hey this is awesome! I have just completed this is as well me and a few people in a discord had been working on this. Are you okay if I tagged your video in my description? I believe you were the first person (with actual evidence) to have done heartless!
Very nice take in beating the Masked Boy on Merci- I mean Heartless Difficulty. By the way, why is “Take Over” playing during the fight? In other videos of that fight, Last Surprise was playing there.
Peaceful - Hard plays last surprise, and Heartless plays take over for some reason, probably because joker has different movesets on those difficulties or something.
@@CryptomGaming Yup, totally a reference to Royal were Take Over plays as you start with advantage while Last Surprise is just the default whenever there's no advantage or the enemy ambushes the Phantom Thieves.
So is this guy only beatable with close to max stats? It feels like the party has to all have max HP to survive so you can do enough damage before his first damage check
Don't need max hp, this run is giga-scuffed, for one, i didn't debuff joker's attack (but is still the first heartless no dlc run i think), I have better and optimized runs on my channel, with better party members suited for this fight too.
16:59 you broke the rules! You nullified one of his attacks, so that’s why he used Sinful Shell. The Masked Boy’s rules are as follows: No Omnipotent Orb, no nullifying, absorbing or reflecting his attacks, no Armageddon unless you finish him that turn, no Tetrakarn or Makarakarn, no endure for Mahamaon, no charge or concentrate turn 1 if playing on any difficulty except Heartless, and you must win within 20 turns. Break his rules and he’ll end your game.
This is from the PSMT discord server, specifically by CTOBN NOTE: If Joker gets a 1 More, that will be prioritized over using Sinful Shell, unless noted otherwise Both Fights - You cannot have Omnipotent Orb equipped to any party members - You cannot Null/Repel/Drain any of his attacks with 2 or more party members, or with Aigis at all. On lower difficulties, this is prioritized over a 1 More. - You cannot use Armageddon - You cannot ever start Joker's turn while a Tetrakarn or Makarakarn are up on your side - You cannot have any Charge or Concentrate effects active at the start of Joker's 1st turn - Not a rule break strictly, but at the start of his "20th turn" he will exclusively use Sinful Shell Heartless Only - You cannot have all 3 debuffs active on Joker at once when he starts his turn (for example, v v - is ok, but v v v is a rule break) - On the 2nd turn of phase 3 (turn 1 is Stagnant Air -> Poison Mist) he will use Sexy Dance. After the Sexy Dance, all living party members must have one of Poison or Charm. Additionally, each of Poison and Charm must be on at least 1 party member. - On the 2nd turn of phase 7 (turn 1 is Stagnant Air -> Tentarafoo -> Poison Mist) he will use Evil Smile -> Sexy Dance. After the Sexy Dance, each of Poison, Charm, Confuse, and Fear must be present on one of your party members. Phases - Phase advances each turn - Once his HP drops to 18,000 or less, if he hasn't reached it already, it will skip to his "11th turn", where he uses Will of Rebellion.
![[P3R - Episode Aigis] Joker Superboss with base stats (No DLC & Heartless)](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/P5DyV8R5C0k/mqdefault.jpg)
![[P3R - Episode Aigis] Joker Superboss with base stats (No DLC & Heartless)](/img/tr.png)
![[P3R - Episode Aigis] Joker Superboss without Fuuka (No DLC & Heartless)](/img/n.gif)
Disregard my thoughts, somebody has made a more comprehensive breakdown on Joker's rules.
This is from the PSMT discord server, specifically by CTOBN
NOTE: If Joker gets a 1 More, that will be prioritized over using Sinful Shell, unless noted otherwise
Both Fights
- You cannot have Omnipotent Orb equipped to any party members
- You cannot Null/Repel/Drain any of his attacks with 2 or more party members, or with Aigis at all. On lower difficulties, this is prioritized over a 1 More.
- You cannot use Armageddon
- You cannot ever start Joker's turn while a Tetrakarn or Makarakarn are up on your side
- You cannot have any Charge or Concentrate effects active at the start of Joker's 1st turn
- Not a rule break strictly, but at the start of his "20th turn" he will exclusively use Sinful Shell
Heartless Only
- You cannot have all 3 debuffs active on Joker at once when he starts his turn (for example, v v - is ok, but v v v is a rule break)
- On the 2nd turn of phase 3 (turn 1 is Stagnant Air -> Poison Mist) he will use Sexy Dance. After the Sexy Dance, all living party members must have one of Poison or Charm. Additionally, each of Poison and Charm must be on at least 1 party member.
- On the 2nd turn of phase 7 (turn 1 is Stagnant Air -> Tentarafoo -> Poison Mist) he will use Evil Smile -> Sexy Dance. After the Sexy Dance, each of Poison, Charm, Confuse, and Fear must be present on one of your party members.
Phases
- Phase advances each turn
- Once his HP drops to 18,000 or less, if he hasn't reached it already, it will skip to his "11th turn", where he uses Will of Rebellion.
So on Heartless, if for whatever reason he fails to inflict you with an ailment, he gets pissed off and nukes you? He really is the player, ffs.
@@Jimmeeehhh You usually just have to lower his hp by 14000 and not more than 16000 before that point so you can move on to the next phase ignoring that.
Thank you brother! I’ve been getting pretty unlucky trying to get magic mastery on any persona, I don’t wanna spend hours getting one passive if it’s not necessary lol
Glad to help man! Honestly this run was pretty unoptimized, I think another video of mine could've helped you better.
17:27
" Oh? You thought you were the only one with a bullshit 9999 damage move? "
@@ShadowBerserker454 uno reverse card back at him lmao
Physical are so broken in this game, esp the dlc ones lmao and I fucking love it. PHYS>>>>>MAGIC
That would be the case most of the time, but here, you can't crit joker (on heartless), so magic is much better here.
@@CryptomGaming I saw that you can one turn him with shadow hound although that was on hard mode, no idea for heartless. Very awesome you did this in heartless too. I beat the dlc last week but haven't played around with joker yet.
@@heistnberg3362 yeah, you can read my thoughts about it on the description.
Good job! Heard he’s bullshit on heartless, was excited to try him myself but I see that near-max stats are necessary and I don’t feel like grinding.
He is very bs indeed, I heard you can one-shot him on lower diffs, and I watched some videos of it, and I noticed very significant changes joker does only on heartless difficulty.
@@CryptomGaming It doesn't have to be you, but I hope someone makes a video on the differences between Heartless and lower difficulties. I sure as hell am not fighting him on Heartless.
@@Jimmeeehhh You can refer to the pinnged comment for this, it pretty much covers the difference between lower difficulty and heartless.
Holy! Congrats on the win, great run!
Thanks dude, I was losing sleep because of preparing and malding for this fight to get a strat working, I even ended up giving everyone firm stance because if you don't use it, you just get one-shot.
@@CryptomGaming yeah, you smashed it! I came close but ultimately lost due to bad RNG. So I havnt yet beaten him on heartless yet. I think you're the first to do it with evidence on UA-cam so congrats!
@@thecommondude Thanks, that would be a huge honor if so, I wasn't really watching much videos about Joker, but i did try to refer to a guide on how to beat him, but it was useless because it was for lower difficulties lmao.
@@CryptomGaming yeah I mean lower difficulties he's a bit of a meme superboss since you can just theurgy dump and kill him turn 1
@@thecommondude Yeah, I'm a bit of a maso for picking it the hard way always like on Elizabeth, and it was very satisfying when I won. Also additionally, i'm trying to write up my notes and thoughts of the boss on description to maybe help other players on beating Joker on heartless.
Nullyfing Absord Reflect
Demi Fiend : Gaea Rage
Joker : Sinful Shell
Elizabeth : Megidolaon
Good job!
@@shiroutheherotraceon3313 thanks! This took a lot of effort.
I knew you from fgo, I didn't know you also like persona. Very cool.
Yeah i'm a big persona fan, unfortunately I decided to quit FGO as gacha has been tedious for me lately, so i'm slowly quitting all of them.
@@CryptomGaming damn that's a shame, you helped me during my tesla cup runs, but I can't blame you fgo's been pretty shit and the way it is now based on the JP server.
@@heistnberg3362 i've been playing since NA launch, and i'm glad I was able to help you before when I still used to make videos, they were just challenge runs for me to give me a reason to use free servants.
@@CryptomGaming Damn you old player then, also yeah that's why I also watched your vids in the first place, you were using f2p stuffs for beating cq's which I find very cool.
Hey this is awesome! I have just completed this is as well me and a few people in a discord had been working on this. Are you okay if I tagged your video in my description? I believe you were the first person (with actual evidence) to have done heartless!
@@Ziroikabi sure no worries, I'm not sure about first person though, but I did do it with no DLCs.
I tried doing an Orpheus-only run on Heartless for Episode Aegis and i can NOT get past this dude 😭
You can't beat him solo whatever you do, but you can beat him using orpheus-only with party members, I could try that too if you want.
@@CryptomGaming please try it bro and add telos to
@@Dedy-Rusli i did it earlier with orpheus only without telos tho for more challenge
Very nice take in beating the Masked Boy on Merci- I mean Heartless Difficulty. By the way, why is “Take Over” playing during the fight? In other videos of that fight, Last Surprise was playing there.
Peaceful - Hard plays last surprise, and Heartless plays take over for some reason, probably because joker has different movesets on those difficulties or something.
@@CryptomGaming probably cause joker starts first meaning he ambushed us 😂
@@deen1113 i haven't thought of that lmfao
@@CryptomGaming Yup, totally a reference to Royal were Take Over plays as you start with advantage while Last Surprise is just the default whenever there's no advantage or the enemy ambushes the Phantom Thieves.
Girls only?
Guess Joker did a harem route this run
So is this guy only beatable with close to max stats? It feels like the party has to all have max HP to survive so you can do enough damage before his first damage check
Don't need max hp, this run is giga-scuffed, for one, i didn't debuff joker's attack (but is still the first heartless no dlc run i think), I have better and optimized runs on my channel, with better party members suited for this fight too.
16:59 you broke the rules! You nullified one of his attacks, so that’s why he used Sinful Shell. The Masked Boy’s rules are as follows:
No Omnipotent Orb, no nullifying, absorbing or reflecting his attacks, no Armageddon unless you finish him that turn, no Tetrakarn or Makarakarn, no endure for Mahamaon, no charge or concentrate turn 1 if playing on any difficulty except Heartless, and you must win within 20 turns. Break his rules and he’ll end your game.
This is from the PSMT discord server, specifically by CTOBN
NOTE: If Joker gets a 1 More, that will be prioritized over using Sinful Shell, unless noted otherwise
Both Fights
- You cannot have Omnipotent Orb equipped to any party members
- You cannot Null/Repel/Drain any of his attacks with 2 or more party members, or with Aigis at all. On lower difficulties, this is prioritized over a 1 More.
- You cannot use Armageddon
- You cannot ever start Joker's turn while a Tetrakarn or Makarakarn are up on your side
- You cannot have any Charge or Concentrate effects active at the start of Joker's 1st turn
- Not a rule break strictly, but at the start of his "20th turn" he will exclusively use Sinful Shell
Heartless Only
- You cannot have all 3 debuffs active on Joker at once when he starts his turn (for example, v v - is ok, but v v v is a rule break)
- On the 2nd turn of phase 3 (turn 1 is Stagnant Air -> Poison Mist) he will use Sexy Dance. After the Sexy Dance, all living party members must have one of Poison or Charm. Additionally, each of Poison and Charm must be on at least 1 party member.
- On the 2nd turn of phase 7 (turn 1 is Stagnant Air -> Tentarafoo -> Poison Mist) he will use Evil Smile -> Sexy Dance. After the Sexy Dance, each of Poison, Charm, Confuse, and Fear must be present on one of your party members.
Phases
- Phase advances each turn
- Once his HP drops to 18,000 or less, if he hasn't reached it already, it will skip to his "11th turn", where he uses Will of Rebellion.