The Kardashev scale originally was meant to describe the power of advanced civilizations, in particular, those that have achieved the ability of space flight. It uses a geometric progression based on the amount of power accessed by the species as it grows. The earliest emerging civilizations don't appear, except as fractional numbers, because their activity is not very significant on a cosmic scale. These only get a full count when they might be noticed by a theoretical "outside observer," as you will soon see. I am adding a few extra levels to the original three, since there was little use for that as a measuring stick to evaluate gradual progress. Let me start near the beginning, when the culture starts to reveal its potential significance. Type One: "Novice" (revised) intensive use of more than half of the planet's habitable surface area for urban dwelling, agricultural production, industry or resource extractive purposes. Oceans, ice caps and deserts are not typically considered habitable, although some oases may exist. Type Two: "Unstable" (revised) threatening the ecological health of the planet by careless practices, whether by stripping resources, excessive pollution, or loss of secondary species. Type Three: "Emergent" (revised) has acquired sufficient technology to make space flight and colonial ventures possible. Potential for mass self-destruction demands a quest for coexistence. Type Four: "Maximized" (original) Type One: intentional use of all the insolation received by the planet for food or power. (revised) has accessed or made feasible all of the resources and energy available on the planet. Approaching a sustainable global regime for shared resources and political consensus or a tolerant balance of powers. Type Five: "Outbreak" (revised) has established self-sufficient populations, with trade routes, in multiple extra-planetary colonies, and continuing to spread. Industrial development of free-floating habitats, space infrastructure and specialized project construction begins. Type Six: "Established" (revised) has explored the entire stellar system in sufficient detail to map a super-majority of its geography and resources. Technological proficiency allows pioneers to colonize the frontiers at will, and choose political independence. Type Seven: "Expansive" (original) Type Two: intentional use of all of the energy output of the star for habitation and industrial purposes. (revised) complete access to all of the resources and energy available within the star system, including its planets, moons, and smaller satellites. Experimental robotic ships explore the nearer neighboring star systems and the conditions of intermediate space. Type Eight: "Arrival" (revised) first colonies established around other star systems. Ultrahigh-energy physics experiments explore the potential for travel at relativistic or supra-lightspeed velocities. Type Nine: "Manifesto" (revised) seeding the stellar neighborhood with many colonial ventures, discovering the range of variety of system formation and geography, and revealing the frequency of the origins of life. Type Ten: "Epitome" (original) Type Three: acquisition and use of the entire energy output of all of the stars in the whole galaxy. (revised) technological capacity to range at will throughout the galaxy, planting colonies, developing resources and tapping unlimited energy as needed to sustain the presence and growth of the species in all its various iterations. Sophisticated modes of long distance travel and self-contained habitat ships allow for sporadic attempts to surpass galactic boundaries. Conclusion: As you can see, the original version of the Kardashev scale assessing the power use of a space-faring civilization was excessively over-simplified. Having only three tiers, it did not allow for any detail or description of the intermediate stages of development. At every stage, it required an "all or nothing" obvious achievement in order to advance to the next rung of the ladder, and totally lacked any descriptive or predictive powers. This revised version does have more capacity for descriptions, and also allows for a certain amount of flexibility. It can be used to note and measure some fractional attainments, and can accept some skipping and mixing of non-linear development patterns, while still offering some definite levels of meaningful achievement for comparisons. Nor does the new scale have to terminate at the edge of the galaxy, or proceed to such degrees as beggar the imagination. At Type Eleven, the colonization of another galaxy, and at Type Twelve, the colonization of the whole local group of galaxies is enough, while further expansion into the greater Super Cluster and beyond may be designated by more numbered levels. These do however go so far beyond the imagination that those technologies would likely appear magical to our sensibilities. And any further would simply involve the acquisition of the entire knowable Universe. It seems probable that, at some point, even before we claim the far reaches of our own galaxy, we are likely to discover another intelligent, civilized and space-faring species and learn not only whether the scale is truly useful, but have the realization that we must share the Cosmos with our neighbors. And that will be a clear answer to one of the oldest questions we have ever thought to ask. If you wish to adopt and promote this revised scale for the comparison of developing civilizations and space-faring technology, you may be my guest. I ask only that you acknowledge and attribute it to its source, and name it the "Makarios Scale." Makarios means "Blessed" in greek, and any species and civilization that this scale would measure should be well aware of their blessings. And I thank you for your patience and kind consideration. Shalom. I published this in September 2020, in my own obscure little blog: www.emunahechad.blogspot.com
we could probably be at a type 2.0 in 300-400 years tops if we would come to our senses to work together and focus on what matters rather than war, feuding, and competing
@@piplmao Its true we could advance considerably if we worked together but becoming a type 2 in that time frame is just impossible. The most realistic time frame in my opinion would be many thousands of years away. Were talking Yottawatts of power and beyond
These " Mega structures " as you refer them , would use a lot of materials. It is apparently impossible most probable ending is we would destroy ourselves a lot earlier, even reaching type 1 would be a big achievement .
I don't think we'll have enough resources to stay alive and thrive past 2.300, and I'm 99.999999 confident that this civilization won't make it to year 3K.
If we do not nuke ourselves back into the Stone Age, by around 2300 we would have passed type 1. Probably we will be between type 1.1 to 1.4, meaning we will be capable of quicker and efficient planetary travel. With that much power, we will have the whole solar system to exploit for resources.
You know what, fair enough. I pretty much agree. We're amazing but st the dame time, humans are stupid, ignorant and destructive. I figured we can make it to the 3rd millennium, maybe even the 4th millennium but I don't think we'll make it past that. And I'm super sure it'll be some sort of war that'll due us in.
Building a giant Dyson Sphere or shell on our home star is a bad idea unless you want to freeze Earth and completly change the Solar System, best done in other stars or not build a mega structure that blocks out the whole home star.
At that point, with full control of our entire solar system and planet, I think alternate ways of heating up and lighting the planet wouldn't be all that difficult. Hell, if we live on the Dyson Sphere itself, then Earth itself won't matter too much, now will it?
What I don’t understand is how these civilizations get the materials to build that big of structures. I don’t think there’s enough resources to build a dyson shell in the whole solar system
The answer lies in starlifting. You can mine stars and transmute them if you can accomplish fusion. Go watch Isaac Arthur's video on Starlifting and he explains it in great detail about how it would work.
There's a problem with the concept of Dyson's Sphere. Where would you get so much metal to construct it? Infact for a type 2 civilization a few small spheres would be enough to gather their star's energy. Just like we don't need an earth sized satellite for meteorology or transmission.
Hmmm this Dyson sphere that takes 100% energy from the Sun or other stars sounds a bit concerning. Wont that be detrimental to the star system and our planet and cause a great off balance to the order of things...
Detrimental to who? We would obviously still use energy to sustain ourselves, food sources etc. That's the whole point, to gain mastery of our star's energy. Something way above our level of intellect at the moment. Once AI takes over we will advance rather quickly.
@@ezequielvazquez3877 I mean detrimental to the Earth and its fine balance of its environment and climate. as long as it doesn't affect whatever solar energy is cast out into the solar system from the sun. By not lessening it. There is a balance that should be maintained. Just wondering about that.
@@CMONCMON007 only a small fraction of the sun's energy output will hit the earth, so if we reached a point where we could construct a Dyson sphere, we would easily be able to redirect a small portion of the captured energy to the earth if we wanted to.
Technology evolves exponentially. If you could time travel for example, take someone from year 1000 and bring this person to year 1500. The person will say something like: Nice stove you have there, interesting clothes. Now take someone from year 1900 for example, and bring this person to 2022. That person will go crazy with what we have today.
Can't really say what the future holds, but every living organism requires some form of energy intake to function properly. So whether it is our current way of consuming other plants and animals or taking some pills, or getting energy directly from the sunlight, we still would need some kind of food to sustain ourselves. But at the Type 2 level, we may just be sticking to our regular form of energy consumption in my opinion.
you would get the materials from another planets.With type 1 being able to harness 1000/10000 or even more power than we can now extracting materials from other planets and systems isnt too far of a stretch
@@tapashsharma4474 extracting the metal from other planet will def be present when speaking about a type 2 civilisation. But the amount required to cover the whole sun is unimaginable.
This, that we in 1.000 - 2000 years reach the type2 civilisations is that soonest prevision. I think that was didn't damage to match our solar system that woud be 10.000-20.000 years more realistic, if we humans living so match. I this in this time woud be possible that we living until 800-1.000 earth years long, couse the available technology, like Noah do here in earth for more 1.000 years ago. So can be reach.
We shouldn't have to lose our humanity to be more advanced. I just think it's seriously flawed. Sounds to me like we would just consume everything in sight, ripping planets apart, etc. If we found extraterrestrial life that was less advanced than us, we'd either enslave them or kill them. Sounds like we're the bad guys in a sci-fi movie & I just don't like it.
@@leonahthelioness5479 Yes, you might be absolutely right! Power can and will corrupt even the best of us that's for sure! However, collectively our humanity will not be lost as there will always be plenty of us who will stand up for the rights of all creatures as is the case in today's world regarding animal rights, sustainability, etc.
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Will humanity ever reach a Type 2 Civilization status?
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@@Man_Aslumeno it is expected we will become type 2 in 3000 years and the sun will engulf us in 5 billion years
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The Kardashev scale originally was meant to describe the power of advanced civilizations, in particular, those that have achieved the ability of space flight. It uses a geometric progression based on the amount of power accessed by the species as it grows. The earliest emerging civilizations don't appear, except as fractional numbers, because their activity is not very significant on a cosmic scale. These only get a full count when they might be noticed by a theoretical "outside observer," as you will soon see. I am adding a few extra levels to the original three, since there was little use for that as a measuring stick to evaluate gradual progress. Let me start near the beginning, when the culture starts to reveal its potential significance.
Type One: "Novice"
(revised) intensive use of more than half of the planet's habitable surface area for urban dwelling, agricultural production, industry or resource extractive purposes. Oceans, ice caps and deserts are not typically considered habitable, although some oases may exist.
Type Two: "Unstable"
(revised) threatening the ecological health of the planet by careless practices, whether by stripping resources, excessive pollution, or loss of secondary species.
Type Three: "Emergent"
(revised) has acquired sufficient technology to make space flight and colonial ventures possible. Potential for mass self-destruction demands a quest for coexistence.
Type Four: "Maximized"
(original) Type One: intentional use of all the insolation received by the planet for food or power.
(revised) has accessed or made feasible all of the resources and energy available on the planet. Approaching a sustainable global regime for shared resources and political consensus or a tolerant balance of powers.
Type Five: "Outbreak"
(revised) has established self-sufficient populations, with trade routes, in multiple extra-planetary colonies, and continuing to spread. Industrial development of free-floating habitats, space infrastructure and specialized project construction begins.
Type Six: "Established"
(revised) has explored the entire stellar system in sufficient detail to map a super-majority of its geography and resources. Technological proficiency allows pioneers to colonize the frontiers at will, and choose political independence.
Type Seven: "Expansive"
(original) Type Two: intentional use of all of the energy output of the star for habitation and industrial purposes.
(revised) complete access to all of the resources and energy available within the star system, including its planets, moons, and smaller satellites. Experimental robotic ships explore the nearer neighboring star systems and the conditions of intermediate space.
Type Eight: "Arrival"
(revised) first colonies established around other star systems. Ultrahigh-energy physics experiments explore the potential for travel at relativistic or supra-lightspeed velocities.
Type Nine: "Manifesto"
(revised) seeding the stellar neighborhood with many colonial ventures, discovering the range of variety of system formation and geography, and revealing the frequency of the origins of life.
Type Ten: "Epitome"
(original) Type Three: acquisition and use of the entire energy output of all of the stars in the whole galaxy.
(revised) technological capacity to range at will throughout the galaxy, planting colonies, developing resources and tapping unlimited energy as needed to sustain the presence and growth of the species in all its various iterations. Sophisticated modes of long distance travel and self-contained habitat ships allow for sporadic attempts to surpass galactic boundaries.
Conclusion:
As you can see, the original version of the Kardashev scale assessing the power use of a space-faring civilization was excessively over-simplified. Having only three tiers, it did not allow for any detail or description of the intermediate stages of development. At every stage, it required an "all or nothing" obvious achievement in order to advance to the next rung of the ladder, and totally lacked any descriptive or predictive powers.
This revised version does have more capacity for descriptions, and also allows for a certain amount of flexibility. It can be used to note and measure some fractional attainments, and can accept some skipping and mixing of non-linear development patterns, while still offering some definite levels of meaningful achievement for comparisons.
Nor does the new scale have to terminate at the edge of the galaxy, or proceed to such degrees as beggar the imagination. At Type Eleven, the colonization of another galaxy, and at Type Twelve, the colonization of the whole local group of galaxies is enough, while further expansion into the greater Super Cluster and beyond may be designated by more numbered levels. These do however go so far beyond the imagination that those technologies would likely appear magical to our sensibilities. And any further would simply involve the acquisition of the entire knowable Universe.
It seems probable that, at some point, even before we claim the far reaches of our own galaxy, we are likely to discover another intelligent, civilized and space-faring species and learn not only whether the scale is truly useful, but have the realization that we must share the Cosmos with our neighbors. And that will be a clear answer to one of the oldest questions we have ever thought to ask.
If you wish to adopt and promote this revised scale for the comparison of developing civilizations and space-faring technology, you may be my guest. I ask only that you acknowledge and attribute it to its source, and name it the "Makarios Scale." Makarios means "Blessed" in greek, and any species and civilization that this scale would measure should be well aware of their blessings.
And I thank you for your patience and kind consideration. Shalom. I published this in September 2020, in my own obscure little blog:
www.emunahechad.blogspot.com
Probably humans will take 2000 years to reach this level in the most optimistic scenario.
I think the progress rises in geometric progression. With each milestone we will be reaching next one faster. Still needs hundreds of years
@@oleksandrbyelyenko435 other way around .sure you you have more energy but the steps are bigger than the last one
we could probably be at a type 2.0 in 300-400 years tops if we would come to our senses to work together and focus on what matters rather than war, feuding, and competing
@@piplmao Its true we could advance considerably if we worked together but becoming a type 2 in that time frame is just impossible. The most realistic time frame in my opinion would be many thousands of years away. Were talking Yottawatts of power and beyond
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These " Mega structures " as you refer them , would use a lot of materials. It is apparently impossible most probable ending is we would destroy ourselves a lot earlier, even reaching type 1 would be a big achievement .
cloning would be a possible solution, but the idea of it being made would take thousands of years.
The dyson sphere sounds like a technology from something like guardians of the galaxy
That's very specific?
Look up Isaac Asimov The Last Question. The first chapter features a primitive Dyson Sphere.
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I don't think we'll have enough resources to stay alive and thrive past 2.300, and I'm 99.999999 confident that this civilization won't make it to year 3K.
If we do not nuke ourselves back into the Stone Age, by around 2300 we would have passed type 1. Probably we will be between type 1.1 to 1.4, meaning we will be capable of quicker and efficient planetary travel. With that much power, we will have the whole solar system to exploit for resources.
You know what, fair enough. I pretty much agree. We're amazing but st the dame time, humans are stupid, ignorant and destructive. I figured we can make it to the 3rd millennium, maybe even the 4th millennium but I don't think we'll make it past that. And I'm super sure it'll be some sort of war that'll due us in.
Why are you negative minded?
I have a Dyson fan, is that good enough?
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We don't want to be A Type 0.75 Civilization forever.
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Building a giant Dyson Sphere or shell on our home star is a bad idea unless you want to freeze Earth and completly change the Solar System, best done in other stars or not build a mega structure that blocks out the whole home star.
At that point, with full control of our entire solar system and planet, I think alternate ways of heating up and lighting the planet wouldn't be all that difficult. Hell, if we live on the Dyson Sphere itself, then Earth itself won't matter too much, now will it?
What I don’t understand is how these civilizations get the materials to build that big of structures. I don’t think there’s enough resources to build a dyson shell in the whole solar system
They can get resources from other planets
We would probably have to sacrifice a world and completely destroy it to build a Dyson sphere
Mercury has about enough materials to build a dyson ring but we would need to go to asteroid belt to get more resources
The answer lies in starlifting. You can mine stars and transmute them if you can accomplish fusion. Go watch Isaac Arthur's video on Starlifting and he explains it in great detail about how it would work.
They have to dismantel Jupiter
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There's a problem with the concept of Dyson's Sphere. Where would you get so much metal to construct it? Infact for a type 2 civilization a few small spheres would be enough to gather their star's energy. Just like we don't need an earth sized satellite for meteorology or transmission.
The metal might be gathered from nearby planets like Mars or any other planet
They are able to travel light years in space so they can almost gather anything from planet ranging in their reach.
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Here it is explained how :)
@@imasukakurosaki2763 given their technology, they wouldn't need to build such a thing. if we have nanobots, they could have nano dyson spheres.
Scientists are currently developing molecular printers, so a type 2 would definitely have something like that. They could just print metal.
I believe sentient quotient of type 2 civilization is +26
Hmmm this Dyson sphere that takes 100% energy from the Sun or other stars sounds a bit concerning. Wont that be detrimental to the star system and our planet and cause a great off balance to the order of things...
That’s something our future humans will overcome 😂
Detrimental to who? We would obviously still use energy to sustain ourselves, food sources etc. That's the whole point, to gain mastery of our star's energy. Something way above our level of intellect at the moment. Once AI takes over we will advance rather quickly.
@@ezequielvazquez3877 I mean detrimental to the Earth and its fine balance of its environment and climate. as long as it doesn't affect whatever solar energy is cast out into the solar system from the sun. By not lessening it. There is a balance that should be maintained. Just wondering about that.
@@CMONCMON007 only a small fraction of the sun's energy output will hit the earth, so if we reached a point where we could construct a Dyson sphere, we would easily be able to redirect a small portion of the captured energy to the earth if we wanted to.
1000-2000 years?! more like 500.000-1000000 years
Yeah. My guess is that becoming type 2 would take around 10000 years at least. Dont even start on type 3
Technology evolves exponentially.
If you could time travel for example, take someone from year 1000 and bring this person to year 1500. The person will say something like: Nice stove you have there, interesting clothes.
Now take someone from year 1900 for example, and bring this person to 2022. That person will go crazy with what we have today.
At humanity's absolute retarded snail pace of uniting and realisation, I agree.
Type 2 sounds like a empire
i wonder if humans need food at this type
Can't really say what the future holds, but every living organism requires some form of energy intake to function properly. So whether it is our current way of consuming other plants and animals or taking some pills, or getting energy directly from the sunlight, we still would need some kind of food to sustain ourselves. But at the Type 2 level, we may just be sticking to our regular form of energy consumption in my opinion.
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Where would we get the material to make such a large mega structure as sun is huge and the earth is small?
That's a problem for a type 1.9 civilization
you would get the materials from another planets.With type 1 being able to harness 1000/10000 or even more power than we can now extracting materials from other planets and systems isnt too far of a stretch
@@tapashsharma4474 extracting the metal from other planet will def be present when speaking about a type 2 civilisation. But the amount required to cover the whole sun is unimaginable.
Take matter from your star and transmute it to what you need. You’d probably be able to do that easily at this point.
@@Ryan-kc7df not really considering that it isnt a complete encapsulation, just a megastructure.The amount can be harvested from multiple star systems
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Why do I get the feeling we saw something in space?
Type 2 civilization example forerunners from Halo
This, that we in 1.000 - 2000 years reach the type2 civilisations is that soonest prevision. I think that was didn't damage to match our solar system that woud be 10.000-20.000 years more realistic, if we humans living so match. I this in this time woud be possible that we living until 800-1.000 earth years long, couse the available technology, like Noah do here in earth for more 1.000 years ago. So can be reach.
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I believe human will take 15 thousand years to become type 2 civilization
but when sunlight cannot get to Earth it will mean death for all life on that planet
I think we could reach type 2 in 500 to 1,000 years
Impossible. You need a millions of years to achieve something like that.
@@carrieroflight5633it won't take so long to reach type 2 it would take about 3000 years achieving type 3 would take millions
I hope we never make it to type 3.
Why not?! 🤔
We shouldn't have to lose our humanity to be more advanced. I just think it's seriously flawed. Sounds to me like we would just consume everything in sight, ripping planets apart, etc. If we found extraterrestrial life that was less advanced than us, we'd either enslave them or kill them. Sounds like we're the bad guys in a sci-fi movie & I just don't like it.
@@leonahthelioness5479 Yes, you might be absolutely right! Power can and will corrupt even the best of us that's for sure! However, collectively our humanity will not be lost as there will always be plenty of us who will stand up for the rights of all creatures as is the case in today's world regarding animal rights, sustainability, etc.
Don't worry they wont
A Type 2 civilization assumes 1 civilization in its solar system. Else there will be conflict for control over the star.
With all the woke culture cringe going on around, I don’t think humanity will ever reach this far lol
Culture Is Much Better Than This Future Bullshit.
Your videos are so inaccurate concerning the true scale it is ridiculous. You have taken liberties with the scale to sensationalize things to try to boost your UA-cam rating. People listen to meet this guy has no idea what he's talking about and he is giving you completely erroneous information