The Seattle Mariners build a death star | Dorktown
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- The late-‘90s Seattle Mariners were like nothing we’ve seen before or since. This was a team that had featured four Hall of Fame-caliber players - Ken Griffey Jr., Edgar Martinez, Randy Johnson, and Alex Rodriguez - in their primes. What could go wrong? Absolutely nothing. Everything went fine. In fact, uh, don’t watch this episode.
Corrections:
• 11:45 - I didn’t properly establish this in the narration, but as the chart indicates, this only assesses the greatest center fielders as of 1997. Were the sample extended to the present day, Mike Trout would be No. 1 on this list. This is egregious cherry-picking and I deserve to be yelled at.
• 24:58 - There’s a copy-paste goof on the Y-axis here. The top gridline marks a 4.00 ERA, not 5.00.
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IDK what kind of awards they give to UA-cam documentaries about sports that are mostly just charts, but this series should win all of them
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they are the dorkiest too (haha, cause like dork town. I'll show myself out, I know where the exit is)
They do win all of them
Is there an award? Like the Char-tees? (Did anyone see the Rick & Morty where Jerry won an Apple-ee?)
The Pretty Good award
I can’t be the only one that spit their water out at the David Ortiz part
I believe there's video of it
There’s a whole list of players traded by Seattle that ended having damn good careers. Personal favorite, other than Ortiz, is Jason Varitek
i would've if i didn't already know the story as a die hard sox fan
ua-cam.com/video/OGTFTphyBo0/v-deo.html
I SWEAR I PUNCHED THE AIR
I never got chills from only seeing a player's arm before.
Same. Recognized it instantly lol
jesus christ i knew immediately
And what an arm it was!
SAME
^^^
You forgot the most important Randy Johnson stat.
1 disintegrated bird.
although he did once lose to a releif pitcher who had never ever even hit the ball in the majors.
hahahaha
I believe that happened when he was with another team.
@@riolusx2926 He'd never even swung at a ball in a professional capacity, not in the KBO, NPB, or MLB.
Underrated comment lol
"Mark McGwire, on the other hand, had transitioned from a normal-looking guy into a cartoonish, Soviet artillery prototype that took three days to reposition and 25 men to operate."
That is, without a doubt, the single best line of dialogue/script writing/speech I've ever heard.
A description to end all descriptions
And yet I still love the guy.
It's an _awfully_ good line in this context, but I have to say you don't get out much. Take just _The Sopranos,_ for starters.
HARSH LANGUAGE ALERT
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Making small-talk in bed after dull, unimaginative oral sex.
Tony's young Russian mistress: I've been reading _Chicken Soup for the Soul._
Tony: You should try tomato sauce for your ass - it's the Italian version.
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On learning that his son A.J. is facing an ADD diagnosis at school.
Tony: What constitutes a fidget?
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When Big Pussy goes on the lam, without leaving a forwarding address:
Tony [to Dr Melfi]: I can't find Pussy anywhere.
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Dr Melfi: When's the last time you had a prostate exam?
Tony: Hey, I don't even let anyone wag their finger in my _face._
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The following all from just one immortal episode:
Tony: [over the phone] It's a bad connection so I'm gonna talk fast! The guy you're looking for is an ex-commando! He killed sixteen Chechen rebels single-handed!
Paulie Walnuts: You're not gonna believe this. The guy killed 16 Czechoslovakians. He was an interior decorator.
Christopher: Captain or not right now we're just two assholes lost in the woods.
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Tony Blundetto: To think. When I got out of the joint, I thought an airbag was Paulie Walnuts.
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Tony in therapy after smoking a big one in his SUV while Furio beats the living crap out a sad, middle-aged punk and his stubborn, iron-spined Asian wife, for not kicking enough upstairs from their brothel operation.
Melfi: How'd that make you feel?
Tony: I wished it was me in there.
Melfi: Giving the beating or taking it?
Tony thinks he has just shocked Melfi by confessing to a Jones for beating women. Game, set, and match to the unblinking, iron-spined Dr Melfi. Tony momentarily reels in speechlessness as a new respect gains a secure perch within his teflon hubris.
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Tony: [to Carmela, musing on basically having incited a war with Uncle June by teasing him about his sex life on the golf course in front of his underlings] Cunnilingus and psychiatry brought us to this.
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When Adriana not-so-subtly harasses Christopher to pop the question already as a side-line to a discussion someone else's wedding preparations, during the appetizer course of a dinner for four.
Carmela: Has Anna chosen her caterer yet?
Adriana: She booked Villa de Roma.
Carmela: Good, 'cuz if you ask me, Caravaggio's is slipping.
Adriana: I heard they fired their produce guy.
Christopher: Enough! I'm so sick and tired of hearing you people talk about food, food, food. That's all anybody ever talks about is prosciutto, cheese and fucking fava beans - I'm drowning here!
Tony: [making a menacing gesture toward Christopher with knife and fork] Jesus Christ, take it easy!
Christopher: We're not even engaged yet.
Tony: When you're married, you'll understand the importance of fresh produce.
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And finally, perhaps the best two-word summary of another character's eerie facial vibe in recorded history:
Tony: [to Richie Aprile] Don't give me your fucking Manson lamps. Just fucking stop it. Understand?
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So there's that, from _The Sopranos_ alone. Don't even get me started on Mel Brooks or Quentin Tarantino or Aaron Sorkin.
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Bart: Are we awake?
Jim: We’re not sure. Are we…black?
Bart: Yes we are.
Jim: Then we’re awake, but we’re very puzzled.
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Jules: Well we'd have to be talkin' about one charmin' motherfuckin' pig. I mean he'd have to be ten times more charmin' than that Arnold on Green Acres, you know what I'm sayin'?
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- Why is America the greatest...
- It's not the greatest country in the world, Professor. That's my answer.
- You're saying...
- Yes.
- Let's talk about that ...
- Fine. Sharon, the NEA is a loser. Yeah, it accounts for a penny out of our paycheck, but he [motioning toward right-wing climate denier] gets to hit you with it any time he wants. It doesn't cost money, it costs votes. It costs airtime and column inches. You know why people don't like liberals? Because they lose. If liberals are so fuckin' smart, how come they lose so goddamn always?
- Hey!
- And with a straight face you're gonna tell students that America is so star-spangled awesome that we're the only ones in the world who have freedom? Canada has freedom. Japan has freedom. The U.K., France, Italy, Germany, Spain, Australia. Belgium has freedom! 207 sovereign states in the world, like 180 of them have freedom.
- All right...
- And, yeah, you, sorority girl. Just in case you accidentally wander into a voting booth one day, there are some things you should know, and one of them is there is absolutely no evidence to support the statement that we're the greatest country in the world. We're seventh in literacy, 27th in math, 22nd in science, 49th in life expectancy, 178th in infant mortality, third in median household income, number four in labor force, and number four in exports. We lead the world in only three categories: Number of incarcerated citizens per capita, number of adults who believe angels are real, and defense spending where we spend more than the next 26 countries combined, 25 of whom are allies. Now, none of this is the fault of a 20-year-old college student, but you nonetheless are without a doubt a member of the WORST. GENERATION. EVER. So when you ask what makes us the greatest country in the world, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Yosemite?
The problem with Sorkin, however, is that his protagonists always have a quick-oat Rain Man tucked into their back pocket. This guy, for example (as played by Jeff Daniels), is a walking CIA World Fact Book.
Or maybe he's just invoking the law of 43.
I once told a beer buddy that I had just read a new study the previous day reporting that 43% of all statistics exchanged over beer are made up in the spur of the moment. He started to nod agreeably, before finally spewing his beer about 3 s later.
Marc Morris how and why? Definitely more likeable than Big head Bonds but a cheater in every respect
Allan Stokes I didn’t want to read that long post of yours, but I’m sure it was great stuff
That Ichiro intro was cold too... Can't even imagine how Jon is gonna describe his ridiculousness
As soon as I saw that arm sticking out, I said “no fucking way”. This is the second time I’ve said that at the conclusion of a vid from this series. The first was at the Griffey intro.
man im so pumped for part 5 man the mariners had great players hall of famers and ichiro and jr were the best
@Harry Engel im from chicago and ive been a cubs fan all my life but ive always been intrigued by the mariners you guys had edgar the big unit jr a rod and ichiro man you guys should of had a ring before the dbacks
The Mariners have the perfect timeline. Part 5 has got to end with an introduction of the King right?
Mitch Walden interesting that they have him called “Ichiro Suzuki”, he did not use the name Suzuki in baseball, going by only “Ichiro”
Jon: “He’s 22 now and it’ll be another 5 years before he makes his Major League debut.” Me (A Washington native): “Oh my god it’s happening EVERYONE STAY CALM IT’S HAPPENING”
This elicited a real, actual, out loud laugh
Glad I’m not the only one
W/ how much UA-cam stuff has come out about the M’s, obvs I knew Ichiro was 27 his debut season- still chills, tho
Twixinator101 I’m confused who is it
Me: “hm... footage from 1995? I wonder who he’s talking about.”
*10 seconds later*
Me (An Asian Canadian guy): “OH SHT IT’S HAPPENING. OHHH MAN.. NOT LIKE THIS, DON’T END THE VIDEO LIKE THIS. PLEASE NO... DAMN IT!!”
That conversation between Griffey and Bonds is when the main character's best friend becomes the main villain of the next arc
Bonds retrieval arc
😭🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Bonds: "In order to be the best, you have to play dirty."
Griff: "Don't do it, Barry! You must stay pure!"
Bonds: "I gotta do what I gotta do, Griff."
Griff: :(
paperchasin23 "You cant do it Bonds, you know the league will make you a villian." "Im tired of not being in the limelight Griff. Sometimes, you gotta do what you gotta do."
Came up with that in like 2 seconds and it fits what the author wrote 😂
no thats A-Rod and jeter
Jon, I want to say this, as someone from the UK, who generally doesn't care for our own sports all that much let alone yours: You orchestrate this production beautifully. God damn.
The comparisons and arguments you make, the details you go into, it's all so very well presented to even allow someone like me to follow the events, to understand the challenges and feats involved, but beyond that, the stories you tell and how you tell them are sublime. The things you focus on, the way you drive these ideas forward, the elements that you place along the way so you can keep going back to them to further build the connections you talk about, it's all masterful narrative work to tie together all the information, the incidents, the possibilties, and make it all as compelling as possible. And the music, you're so good at building suspense, anticipation and energy through when and how you use the music you've chosen for these videos. You really bring to life the highs and lows of this story.
You build up to the end of this video, having told the tales of all these great players, and reach a point where it seems we've faltered, where it seems we're destined to return to the historical mediocrity and misfortune that has plagued us, and with this all hope is lost. Then you plant the seeds of a new hope, the music swells like the darkest clouds are suddenly parting to reveal a shining light, we get a few brief glimpses and then pan over to see a new name and a new face. A hero who we can be assured will lead this team to glory, a name and a face I know I can have faith in... and I don't know why I have this creeping sensation of awe and suspense because I DON'T KNOW WHO THAT IS. As far as I'm concerned, that guy is Luke Skywalker. But because of how well you've sold this throughout this series, I'm assured that great things are to come. I absolutely can't wait to see what comes next in the story of this team I've never heard of playing a sport that I've never watched.
Wow
What was your reaction to the next episode. Where ichiro couldn’t lead the Mariners to a title? Where the team fell apart?
@@bradhorowitz2765 I regret that I have but one downvote to give you
@@bradhorowitz2765 You are a bad person.
As a life long Ms fan, seeing that Ich intro teaser just gave me chills. The only way you can stomach losing a player like Griffey is by acquiring a guy like Ichiro.
And the only way you can stomach losing a guy like A-Rod...is losing a guy like A-Rod
Griffey = no rings 》 Ichiro = no rings. RODRIGUEZ = more NO RINGS.
@giuliettarenner1343 looking at your comment history makes it clear that you're one of the saddest individuals imaginable 🤣🤣🤣
You just lurk around other people's posts and impishly project your toxicity onto things they enjoy because, well, that's what sad, broken, toxic people do. I mean it's surely pathetic, but I guess I can't necessarily blame you. I mean, look at you...
So basically you're just doing what comes naturally to a poorly adjusted "adult"
“David arias was outperforming all of them”
Me: I know a lot about baseball, surprised I’ve never heard of him.
“He changed his named to David Ortiz”
Me: wHAT
Sam Bowers I grew up just outside St Paul and in his rookie year with the Twins he still went by David Arias. You can google his rookie card
It's crazy cause I knew that, but while this was playing it slipped my mind, so I got to feel that awesome surprise tidbit as well.
Ikr? That was my fav part, too, even though there's plenty here I didn't know... Sort of a "The Natural" moment...
That totally threw me out of place. I yelled a big ass "NO WAY" and quickly googled it. Turns out, David Ortiz complete name is David Americo Ortiz Arias.... That has to be one of the top 10 twist in anime.
Eaxactly
How insane is it when the David Ortiz revelation isn’t even “The Reveal” everyone comes away thinking about.
I don't know a lot about baseball, I know some of the big names, but honestly, when I saw "David Arias" I was like, I don't know who that is... why is this.. "David Ortiz..." ooooooooooo... and now I'm more excited than ever to continue this series. I could watch another 600 episodes.
Wasn't Jason Varitek also traded away?
@@thomasdantas: Yup, with Derek Lowe in the Heathcliff Slocomb trade.
@@thomasdantas: Grew up going to M's games - got the 20-game package each year - between 1991 and 2002.
Blows people away when I talk to baseball people outside the Seattle area and they realize those M's teams never made the World Series.
The owners and the whole front office should be banned from baseball. With all their bad trades and other decisions they have done, they have done some of the best players in the history of the game have zero rings. Such bad things done by the team. The problem with the M's is they never knew how to build a whole team. Individuals dont win championships in baseball teams do, and they traded championship players away, on bas trade after trade.
"He suggested sports writers were overly obsessed with stats and charts, I have no idea what hes talking about" - Jon Bois, 2020, i laughed way too hard at this, I love these videos
I chuckled at that part too
Ive never sternly looked at a paused youtube video until I registered what he said.
The zoom out to display the obscenely dense chart of this entire series really put the cherry on top, too haha
Imagine if all the stars had aligned and the mariners had this as their lineup:
Ichiro
A Rod
Junior
Edgar
David Ortiz
Jay Buhner
Holy shit lol imagine being so fucking stacked that you have to put Big Papi at 5
How do you even pitch to that lineup?
Wow
Somewhere in there you have Boone, Wilson and Bell too.
Mike Hampton, Jason Varitek and Derek Lowe also in the farm system.
and randy johnson in the rotation
The thing is that Mike Cameron actually performed BETTER than Griffey after the trade.
Goosebumps. Literal goosebumps on that final reveal. I love Junior but knowing that he was instrumental in bringing arguably the best international baseball player MLB has ever seen makes me love him even more.
Who's David Arias?
OOOOH SHIIITTT
down_and_out when he showed who it was a smile just slowly crept across my face as I shook my head 😂
my thoughts exactly
I said "Holy shit," myself.
Jon in the descriptions: "I didn’t properly establish this in the narration, but as the chart indicates, this only assesses the greatest center fielders as of 1997. Were the sample extended to the present day, Mike Trout would be No. 1 on this list. This is egregious cherry-picking and I deserve to be yelled at".
Me: I'd never yell at Mr. Bois, I'd probably sternly scold at worst.
if only the M's had drafted Trout instead of Dustin Ackley....oye oye oye
@@jeffsmith5196 eh the mariners would still find a way to waste mike trout
@@ninjatacoshark he'd hit like 100 HR and they'd finish dead last.
@@ninjatacoshark The truth hurts to read.
TheGoldenAge811 they wasted griffey
I knew it was coming and i still got chills at Ichiro's reveal...
same. i don't even like baseball. but having grown up going to baseball games in seattle from the early 90s to the mid 00s with my dad, i still got goosebumps.
Same. Almost teared up.
BROO FRRRR
i have never seen that video before either, of Ichiro meeting Junior....wow, such great stuff
Absolutely. Sitting here with goosebumps. Can’t wait for episode 5!
"Did Jr ever use PED's? No one can know for certain aside from UA-cam commenters. They're all medical doctors and are bound to know if you ask them." 😂😂😂 22:40
@Harry Engel I can't say for absolute sure but he never became a cartoomish bloated Mcgwire or Bonds. So I believe he didn't. Plus his numbers never spiked like the roid guys Mcgwire and Bonds and the others did.
@@jeremyboehm5512 what you mean? Bonds was a result of eating a balanced breakfast and believing in himself
The smart money is on the fact that he didn't. One of the best attributes of the juice, and what allows players to turn themselves into Soviet artillery pieces, is the fact that it helps the body heal much faster than normal. Considering the injuries that plagued Jr. all throughout his time in Cincy, and how many games he missed due to them, I find it highly, highly unlikely that he ever took a drop of the juice.
@@Memorex996 Exactly! Just like Hulk Hogan. Prayers and vitamins do wonders for body size.
I think people sometimes forget that you still have to hit the ball and get a good chunk of it to hit a homer. Juice won't make your technique better.
Who else was just dead shocked when they heard the part about David Ortiz
Arthur Cooperman the fact the M’s had him chilling in the Minors and got rid of him 😭😭
As a life time mariners fan... I legit got up started screaming nooooooo nooooo nooo and crying a little lots of alcohol boy that one hurt...
not the people who watch tree
I had no idea he was in the M's farm. I knew he played as David Arias before making the Majors, but I didn't realize he had a chance to play alongside Griffey and $-Rod
Any true M’s fan already knew that.
"Griffey suggested that sports writers were overly obsessed with stats and charts"
He called Jon and Alex out on a video a full 23 years before publication
This storytelling ability is just incredible, I'm not even a Mariners fan and these are what I look forward to each week
Corbin Getz I’m not even a baseball fan and I cannot stop watching
Ken Burns, eat your heart out.
Jason Quinn I love Ken but the comedy thrown in by Bois is priceless
Baseball is all about stories. These stories are not immediately obvious at first glance, hence why the average young sportsfan have neglected baseball as their past-time. Videos like this really really help bridge that gap.
@@SrwpkMX All sports is about stories, life is about stories... just most of them aren't made this interesting. I don't understand some of the terminology, I barely understand the game and I'm still gripped!
You almost had me in tears when you reveal Ichiro. Damn this series is good
did better than me, I broke down for a few seconds.
@@AWPtical800 Lmao same. Why are we like this? How can Jon do this to us?
so well done
@@RobbyGAMEZ b/c we know good content when we see it ✊😢
Literally one of my first memories is yelling Ichiro's name in his jersey while watching from home, so I'm right there with you
Step aside Netflix & Tiger King the best docuseries of 2020 is actually on UA-cam.
between this and The Last Dance, us sports fans have been thriving during quarantine
@@izzyk15 seriously 😂
The thing that gets me about the Ichiro reveal is how it shows the iconography of baseball. You couldn't do this with football, no player has one particular stance or movement that you could identify just by one iconic part of his body. You couldn't do it with hockey, and you might be able to do it with a few players in basketball.
But baseball? You show me that arm and I know exactly who you're talking about, and there are many other players whose batting stances are so iconic, that you could just show me a part of it and I could identify them immediately.
You could definitely do it in hockey, and football just has less room for a stance or act that is unique.
Football requires moving images for it to work. Dan Marino’s release.
Uh, you could actually lol.
Absolutely you could in Football
The Ichiro cliff hanger made me tear up. God I love baseball.
OMG I WAS 🤯🤯🤯 I NEVER KNEW THAT...ITS LIKE HE WAS PASSING THE TORCH
How can you not be romantic about baseball?
I've never dropped what I was doing to watch a video about a team I don't care about so quickly
I don't even like baseball
I don't even watch baseball and I feel the same
@Aryn Fatt i know they exist somewhere in the known universe but ive honest to god never met a mariners fan and after what they do with their teams I can't blame them
See, I knew this would be so good I tried to save it for a special occasion, maybe even long enough to get a double dose of Mariners Dorktown content next week. And then I gave up and dove in like a starving 12-year old burning his mouth on plate full of freshly microwaved pizza rolls. And it was the best thing that happened in more than a week, because that was the best episode yet.
Jon: I think you might know his name too
No one:
_Me chanting ICHIRO ICHIRO ICHIRO_
Sh3vski same!
Same
Let me correct that:
Jon: I think you might know his name too
Everyone: ICHIRO! ICHIRO! ICHIRO!
@@cesarcabrera97 I A: dont watch baseball B: dont know all this stuff about the mariners and C:Live in Dallas texas and never been outa state
I still knew who was gonna show up. ICHIRO ICHIRO ICHIRO!
Jon bois is gonna make me fall in love with baseball. he hooked me in with basketball and football and now Im just a sports goblin.
I grew up watching Griffey, but Ichiro is probably my all time favorite Mariners player.
Oh this series is getting me in the feels to an obscene amount. The Seattle Mariners are absolutely the most fascinating team in sports.
They said it the best: "The Mariners are like the fans' favorite 2nd team. Like a vacation team."
12:40 "At 103.5, Randy Johnson places in FM radio territory."
Awesome. Like the rest of it. I nominate Jon Bois to the Hall of Fame.
How. How you’ve made me cry at the reveal of a single baseball player is beyond me. Thank you Jon.
Knack is back
Uncle Chambers you bet ur goddamn ass Knack is the fuck back babyee. I’m moths fick in Jan I and I never die
Nice mention of Bob Gibson, showing respect to the most important athletes, Bobs
As a lifelong M's fan, this is both thrilling and heart-wrenching.
Mostly, the latter.
99% the latter.
this is what we've trained for
It’s okay it’s been nothing but heartbreak for years we are used to this ☹️
@@CoachBal I know.. just waiting for that Era after 2003.
probably because you know the results up until now
I actually legitimately got uncomfortable chills and goosebumps from seeing the Ichiro Reveal
I rewatched and it happened again just as much
i started tearing up
I just started smiling uncontrollably the second I saw Ichiro's arm. Growing up in the late 90s/early 00s near Seattle, he was everyone's favorite player. We watched him make mistory over and over again. There was truly nobody like him and I don't think there ever will be. Even though I already know how it goes, I can't wait to see where this story takes us. It's sort of like watching your favorite movie. No matter how many times you watch it, it never gets old. You still smile, laugh and cry. Every time.
Who else got goosebumps when they mentioned Griffey's last gift?
I thought it was going to be another cow
As soon as I saw that arm, the tears started flowing
Bruh it’s the song. I’m trying to find the song and I can’t stop
Scott Higgins when you find it can you hook me up?
I'm not even a baseball fan and I almost started crying
That ending bit legitimately gave me goosebumps. How are you guys so good at this
Same here.
I had teary eyes as Griffey handing the shirt over, because I knew they are going to mention Ichiro.
Dorktown Mariners Documentary narrated by Jon Bois and Alex Rubenstein: 😍
Last Dance documentary not narrated by Jon Bois and Alex Rubenstein: 😴
John Ulloa okay but the last dance is fire too
Lmaoo I could see it now watching what that would be like a whole bunch of charts an awesomeness
nahh, Last Dance it’s great too
Got me, a grown-ass man, real-life crying when you built up the reveal of Ichiro. God damn.
These are the best videos on the internet.
Noclip... somehow, this makes sense
the transition to ichiro was goddamn poetry
My goodness. The swelling of the music and the buildup on the end to reveal Ichiro made my heart race. Excellent work as usual.
I feel like Griffey pranking A-Rod would usually end up like Jim Pranking Andy
There are likely still holes in the Mariners clubhouse from A-Rod's fist.
(ARod comes back with a cup full of jizz) Do I put this in the freezer?
And, to add insult to injury, when Randy went into the HOF, it was a an Arizona Diamondback. Ouch.
I moved to AZ in '97, and let me tell you, when Randy got there, his starts were "can't-miss" tv. And once they got Curt Schilling (and some other pieces), the D-Backs took off from there.
Actually if you go to the offical hall of fame site he's listed as a Mariner he's just wearing a diamondback hat
@Harry Engel Kim wasn't even that bad. He'd had a really good year.
From what I understand with the Baseball Hall of Fame and this could be wrong, the cap insignia that is portrayed on player's busts are mostly determined by the Hall of Fame voters/staff with players having a little bit of input.
Then again, while I've would've loved to have seen Randy Johnson go into the Hall of Fame with the Mariner's cap, there's no denying what he did in Arizona could be argued is what pretty much guaranteed he was going to the elected into the Hall after starting his career looking like he would fizzle out quickly due to a reputation of control issues.
Peak Randy in Arizona was something else. From 1999 to 2002 he sustained a *187* ERA+ and a FIP- of *55*. The list of pitchers who have done better than that over any four-year span is very short: Pedro Martinez and Clayton Kershaw. And that's only by including seasons in which they pitched non-qualifying amounts of innings due to injury.
"The 1997 Mariners are the team of the future!" Listen, as a life-long Mariners fan, I know that sentence only ever ends poorly the next season
ALSO HOLY SHIT THAT ICHIRO INTRO GOT ME HYYYYYYYPE ABOUT THE NEXT EPISODE
The way the episode ended actually made me smile and tear up at the same time.
This is gonna be a wild take I'm sure, but hear me out:
I've seen people online suggest more than a few times, jokingly or not, that the Super Smash Bros. fighting game series should include real people as playable characters, although usually just limited to Nintendo executives; but if they were to ever do this, the *only* person I would be okay with including is Ken Griffey Jr.
He was a Nintendo mascot in the 90s with their line of in-house SNES/N64 baseball games; he's still a tremendously popular personality; he's done nothing that a squeaky-clean company like Nintendo would disapprove of; and in a series that celebrates gaming history he'd be a nice representation of the sports game genre.
His final smash is just him bonking someone with his bat
I really like smash bros. But seeing a comment about it under this video caught me off guard. Kudos to you!
They have a character from a franchise that got its name from Mike Tyson. Mike Tyson should be a playable character.
@Great Cornholio Nah but it's like a cartoony loony toons bonk where he winds the bat up over his head and cracks the other character on the top of the skull
@Gavin Power No, just his classic clean power swing with that iconic pose and camera flashes going off in the background.
Imagine if the World Series title was awarded to either the best NL or AL team based on whether it was an odd or even year
Home field advantage in the World Series used to be awarded to the league that won the All-Star game.
That isn't a joke.
@@magicoddeffect I believe it is a play on the Even-Year-Bullshit shenanigans with the Giants. Who won three world series on consecutive even years of 2010/2012/2014 despite not being the most spectacular team but watching everything error itself out of their path.
@@magicoddeffect Eh, I kinda liked that, it made the all-star game interesting. Guys on contending teams would play with that little bit more intensity that made it fun to watch.
SpeedasaurusDex not even that long ago too
@@lilwaifu1347 with the exception of the 2011 Cardinals, from 2005 to 2017, an NL team won the WS in every even year, while an AL team won it in every odd year
2005 - White Sox
2006 - Cardinals
2007 - Red Sox
2008 - Phillies
2009 - Yankees
2010 - Giants
2012 - Giants
2013 - Red Sox
2014 - Giants
2015 - Royals
2016 - Cubs
2017 - Astros
This has to be the greatest sports documentary ever. I'm from New Jersey and have never really cared about the Mariners, yet I feel like I've been rooting for them my whole life watching this. I can't help but get emotionally invested in it, and that's something not many things people watch can do
It's really well done. As a lifelong Mariner fan, I teared up when they mentioned Griffey's gift. I had no idea that meeting ever happened. Prepare to get your heart ripped out in the next part.
@@buddsmigglejibb I'm a sports nerd, I know the Mariners history, but I'm saying I've never felt it like this on an emotional level, that's what makes this so good, them being able to do that for people who have never rooted for the Mariners
The Last Dance/ SB Nation Foul Play
Are the best ones
I've sat at my laptop for the last 2 hours and change completely spellbound, my attention only being broken by 3 work messages which I quickly responded to, with the retelling of the backdrop of my childhood in the suburbs of Seattle out near Lake Sammamish. I remember watching Griffey's first game when I wasn't even 10 yet. I remember starting to play baseball in large part because of Griffey. I remember replicating his swing my first time swinging a bat up through when I was 18 in the late 90's when I was still playing. I remember the father & son back to back home runs. I remember the Kingdome and all the wonderful memories with my dad made there. I've watched sports for over 30 years across a number of leagues from the traditional big 4 in the US, to F1, Golf, MMA, and a host of others. Ken Griffey Jr arriving in Seattle started that journey for me, and countless other kids in the Seattle area. This series has been some of the most fantastic, descriptive, and thorough storytelling I've ever had the pleasure of experiencing, let alone within the sports genre. You've far exceeded what I look for in sports journalism, and have pushed me to not just subscribe, but enable alerts which I only have for 2 other channels of my near 260 subscriptions on UA-cam. Thank you for this kind of investigative storytelling. And the bittersweet trip down memory lane of my life from the beginning of my becoming a sports fan and up through my teens and early 20's. Your effort and painstaking attention to detail is greatly appreciated.
I’ve been on UA-cam 13 hours a day waiting for this to come out.
Same hahaha ilet out "helll yeah! got a beer and sat in my comfiest chair!love these videos!
I love when you look at the dot graphs and can tell who a dot is even when it's not labelled
They also had Ortiz in the minors wtf, this series is insane man haha. Keep it up this is great content
yup they signed him at 17(sound familiar with drafting Griffey and Rodriquez at 17 also) from the Dominican republic. Just a few days past his birthday. They listed him by his mothers name of arias but he changed it to Ortiz during his time with the twins as he wanted to go by his fathers name.
Just wait til the next chapter when the Moneyball A's show up.
As someone who was too young to see Griffey play, it's really cool to see it all tie into my favorite baseball player of all time. I love Ichiro so much
I have watched this video three times and legitimately have gotten chills at the Ichiro reveal every time
3:50 AM ET 1 year later and still watching this series, the David Arias AND Ichiro reveal, ALWAYS gets me. SB guys are awesome!
As a Seattle kid who was born in 2003 and all he knows the mariners as being a bad MLB team , this is amazing to watch 🥺
Come on dude spoilers
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How *
@@KevinRuiz-es4qg Just jokin'. ;) Not really spoilers to talk about something that happened like 10 years ago.
you will know real pain soon enough. Oh wait, you watched Russell throw to Malcom Butler in the Superbowl to ruin a dynasty. You understand completely.
Seattle sports are truly remarkably sad
I’ve missed you Seattle history
"someone who is obsessed with television can never become president" *cries in 2020*
🤣🤣🤣
I’m glad someone else caught this.
They knew what they were doing with that line. ouch
Yeah that one hurts me.
Oof lol
Honestly this video makes me even more sympathetic to Bonds. He was an all time great before he started using, and would have been a surefire first ballot HoFer if he had retired after 1998.
@Harry Engel 500 homers without steroid suspicion is a surefire Hall of Famer, especially with all of his other stats.
22:44 Jon casually calling out the comments section in the middle of telling the rich history of a baseball team is comedy gold.
Rich?
@@bradyrhodess bruh the series is 3 hours and 40 minutes
@@L1N3R1D3R They had 2 stadiums which were some of the worst in baseball and they concentrated on toilet jello instead of winning and could not bidout Griffey Arod and Randy. And they are a small market too.
the last time i was this early, chris archer was good
So, never? He just benefitted from a great defensive lineup behind him and a pitcher's ballpark
Desperate twins & vikings fan I heard Austin meadows and Tyler Glasnow are pretty good
Connor Seams he was good but overrated here IMO
i feel ur username
@@edwardcook7568 THANK YOU, YOU UNDERSTAND THE PAIN
The goosebumps I get when I know he's talking about ichiro... man
No joke, everyone tried to swing like Griffey back then.
Matt it was even his logo. I specifically remember i always wanted his Nike air Griffey IIs...parents wasnt buying them. His swing was prominently displayed...almost as iconic as mjs jumpman
I was a right handed hitter and basically taught myself to hit left by copying Junior for years. Enough to actually be a semi decent switch hitter for awhile.
I got goosebumps when I saw the Mizuno gloves. Amazing you can tell who it is just by the way a hand holds the baseball bat. Can't wait for the next movie!
I cried at the ichiro part I can’t even explain why
"...forever proving the axiom that someone obsessed with television can never be president."
Welp
I mean, he's only barely wrong
Our current president isn’t obsessed with TV. He’s obsessed with being ON TV
George W. Bush was an avid fan of 24, a fact Jon pointed out in his video about the show. Barack Obama made an appearance on SNL, in-person. Yet somewhere, somehow, there's gonna be a conservative douchebag thinking Jon exclusively meant Trump so he can bitch about it.
31:57 The segue into introducing Ichiro gives me goosebumps.
having grown up in seattle in the 90s going to mariners games in the kingdome with my dad, this series is absolutely fantastic. thanks jon.
That ending gave me chills. Amazing that that moment between Junior and Ichiro was captured in 1995.
Being a Mariners fan, this just... this just breaks my heart, all over again. I'm picturing the seasons as you talk about them. The "Orioles advance past Mariners" part... woo boy.
Thanks for making these.
"Murderer's row." That's cold as hell.
It's a reference to the 1927 Yankees lineup.
“Cheating in sports is cool.”
I’ll keep that in mind. Thanks.
luis avitia It was in the video. It sounds like one tho.
*Houston astros have entered the chat
Dont you know the quote?
"Cheaters always win"
When you said Arias was Ortiz my jaw dropped
Randy Johnson on Ken Griffey Jr.’s N64 game was unstoppable, always threw 105 MPH...
Classic
Aww man did you start watching that documentary on the greatest team of all time?
Yeah, I mean they were definitely the best team of the modern era. Certainly the most talent on one team
Plus they defined the 90s. Nike plastered #24 on EVERYTHING!
I know! He was basically everyone's idol on the court. But you know MJ wore #23, right?
I mean...yeah? But he would have been on the White Sox if he made it.
What does...they didn't even get there yet in The Last Dance.
What the hell is The Last Dance?
THEY HAD DAVID ORTIZ TOO WHAT THE F MARINERS
Ortiz and Martinez could both only really play DH. Both were just awful defensive first baseman. You see it all the time though. Trading away a promising young prospect for an immediate team need in hopes of making it to the playoffs. That trade just happened to be especially bad. lol
@William Hassell Yeah, but then you're getting into the money issue.
@@brandondillman5841 He wouldn't have gotten paid much for his first contract...
Also, they still had no damn pitching! lol
@@imightbebiased9311 This right here. We didn't have a proper closer until Sasaki and he didn't last long.
I'm really not looking forward to reliving the episodes after this lol. Again an amazing episode guys
shhhhhh. It's all going to be okay. Just let yourself go.
2 0 0 1 BABY
CAN'T WAIT TO HAVE AN ANEURYSM FROM THE PAIN
Real talk Ichiro was my Junior. I loved the Mariners unis in the Ichiro era
fr bro Ichiro in the turtleneck is an unbeatable look. Love that guy
- Swoosh - dude same! Like I’m a die hard Yankees fan, but every time Ichiro came to town I couldn’t help but root for him. Jeter is my hero but when I was a kid I wanted nothing more than to be Ichiro when I grew up.
Everyone on my teams growing up stepped into the box like Ichiro.
"It would be another 5 years before he plays his first MLB game."
From that line, it took me probably another 5 seconds before the gears clicked, and I realized what was coming. That was so hype
It's incredible how good this series is and how it just keeps getting better. So much effort has been put in and it's put together so well, it's awesome.
When that first picture of Ichiro popped up on the screen I got chills.
"They really were the team of the fu-."
16:54
@Harry Engel The Orioles that year were actually the better team. They had won 98 games and the their lineup was possibly even more stacked (Ripken, Alomar, Palmeiro, Baines, Anderson). While it is sad the Mariners didn't play well, it wasn't really an upset.
The Mariners with all their talent only won 90 games that year, though sadly, that would have been good for the #2 seed with modern rules but pre-set divisonal matchups existed from 1995-97 where no matter what, the AL East champ would have home field vs. the AL West champ in that year's divisional.
Amazing the M's had either the prime years or entire careers of Junior, Edgar, Randy, A-Rod, Ichiro and King Felix plus five years of Adrian Beltre's 20s and have absolutely nothing to show for it.
We have despair. We have lots of despair.
@@rennlc It's tragic. Lou Piniella must be the most overrated manager of all time to waste all that talent, and keep getting jobs for another decade afterwards.
dam bro spoilers
SPOILERS: Literally longest playoff drought in all NA professional sports and only MLB team with no world series *appearances*. Just... insane
Think that's the reason why this series is soo dope jesus
I legit started to tear up at the end, this is so good you need to put this on Netflix!
Even though I've watched this a couple times before, I still get goosebumps from the reveal in the last 90 seconds!
Just imagine if the Mariners had somehow kept Griffey, Randy, A-rod and Ortiz for the 2001 season.. Though the 2001 Mariners are already the greatest team of all time, with these 4, they could've topped 130 wins.
How can you say the 2001 Mariners are the greatest team of all time when they didn't win the World Series? The greatest team in the modern era is almost unquestionably the 1998 New York Yankees, who had 114 wins, won the World Series, then won 2 more in the next couple years, and almost won a 4th title after beating those 116 win Mariners in 2001.
Ahem...the greatest REGULAR SEASON team of all time.
@@matthewmazzatto8003 postseason isn't everything. You forget that with just weeks before the end of the regular season the 9/11 attacks struck. They took a week off of baseball and the Mariners were never the same team after. The players said that winning didn't matter anymore, not after what happened. Many people thought they should cancel the rest of the season and not even have a postseason. So yeah, thanks Osama, cost the M's a World Series
They rode off the easy division and couldn't deliver in the post season where championships are won
To be fair, the Ken Griffey Jr. trade resulted in Mike Cameron. The Randy Johnson trade resulted in Freddy Garcia and John Halama (2 of the pitchers on the 01 team), and Carlos Guillen. The Ortiz trade was dreadful, though I'm not sure where he or Edgar would've played. But the point is that we can't just add another 14 wins because many of the key contributors to the 2001 Mariners came from those trades, though an argument could be made that the team could've been better had everyone stayed and kept production (A-Rod over Guillen, Johnson over Garcia, Griffey over Cameron).
Also, as a Mariners fan, I don't think the 2001 team is the best of all time BECAUSE winning the World Series is that important to me, because supporting a team that has never won a pennant (and also hasn't been to the playoffs since I was 4, before I even watched baseball) is really sad, and a fantastic regular season doesn't numb the pain the way a title would. That being said, if it pisses off insecure Yankees fans that have been given everything and spoiled, I'll repeat "The 2001 Mariners are the best team of all time" ad infinitum until their heads explode, because the sight would be glorious.
“Forever proving the axiom that someone who is obsessed with television could never be president” 😮 2:02
Lol that was a good one
Luke Wingreen i dont get it?
@@vrstarzz2463 hahaha ...even I get it
That was awesome
@@vrstarzz2463 What is the current U.S. president famous for?
This guy: cheating is beautiful
Astros: I like this guy
MLBs official stance on cheating is "don't get caught."
Astros got caught, so MLB has to impose a penalty. The thing is, instead of imposing a punishment that is sufficient to actually deter cheating, MLB acts like a parent who doesn't want to yell at their kids and actually punish them, instead just saying "I'm disappointed in you."
@@tohrazul difference being players have a union 😏
@@joqqeman Now. The players union started in 1966. MLB has been around much longer than that. If MLB actually wanted to eliminate cheating, they very easily could have prior to the players union. In context with the Astros, the majority of players seem to want to eliminate cheating, so they should easily be able to get the union on their side and come up with a progressive discipline policy that actually works for the union and MLB; but they don't.
MLB stance: don't get caught.
Player's stance: we'll try not to get caught.
Bois has, jokingly or not, tweeted his support for the Astros malfeasance many times
The transition at the end of this video from the Griffey years to the Ichiro years was well made. Well done, SB Nation. Who else agrees?
As someone who doesn’t watch baseball and hearing about this team for the first time, I’m loving every second. The storytelling is sublime.
Finally here, been waiting a while! Haven't watched it yet (duh, this video is 30 minutes long and I'm commenting right after it's posted), but I assume it'll be good.
EDIT: Yep, lived up to expectations. Can't wait for the next one!
it's Jon Bois content, that indicates it's hella good
It'll be at least pretty good
Why am I crying at the end? This coronavirus has me crazy.
With the quarantine going on, this hits differently lol 😂😂
waahaaa, remember when people could play sports with out being called killers? waahaaaa!
As a mariners fan, I have been crying since 2001.
Being temporarily out of work for the past month has made me look for things to be excited by week to week. The execution of this series is fantastic. Growing up a Reds fan, the Mariners really were the "vacation team" for me. Different league, guilt free baseball to watch and cheer when my team wasn't on or around. This, especially the past three episodes where I can remember my first years of watching baseball, are perfection. Cannot wait for the last two installments.
The sound track to this series and the Atlanta falcons series is magical.
31:28 the chills started before I realized what was coming up
Trying to find that last song lol
@@graywolf357 I did its called Slow Hope dont remember the artist
I love this series. Even as a Rockies fan, another hapless fanbase with little to cheer for, I have always had a soft spot for the Mariners.
Padres fan checking in
Same, amigo
Fellow Rockies fan. Even if we never win anything, maybe someday, Jon and Alex will do a series about us.
Go Rox! The Mariners were my second fave too, but mostly because of THAT arm at the end (since i'm younger)
Bruh, y'all went to World Series at least. We still haven't gone to World Series. EVER. Baseball in Seattle usually ends somewhere between memorial day weekend and right before the all-star break.
@@parasight21 It's gotta end one day, right? Even the Nationals and Cubs have gotten to it, so it's just a matter of time. I bet it will be a year that absolutely nobody sees coming, because that would be super Seattle.
Everytime I hear a Dave niehaus call
Instant tears
He had such a gift
"To be continued" are the 3 worst words in English
Hit the JoJo music.
Jamie Barba that’s... four words
Different sport, different story but its clear you are not a Gonzaga fan who had the good fortune to know Father Tony.
Unless you play golf, "you're still away"
Free Pizza Cancelled
As an Expos fan, the similarities are crazy. The fact that Seattle had such a peak core of players, the envy of any team at that time and not come away with at least a deep playoff run let alone a World Series appearance hits home.
A Rod being interested in being a high priced stud is the most A Rod thing ever.
And that David Ortiz plot twist???!!!!!!!