It's normal for you to feel confused, this is a unique way of thinking among Americans. They can do things like thinking that China's economy is collapsing while thinking that China's trade is threatening the United States. Watching European countries like Germany and France strengthen their investment in China, while shouting for foreign investment to escape China, or doing things like using a victorious stance to escape from Afghanistan.
@@ShaKa-Ri yeah, it's not like the US is crying literally 24/7 and 365 days a year about China... For somebody who is not worried at all, they whine an awful lot about China... But thats what losers always do, whine and cry about the winners...
US government has a very high pride and dont want their tech to lose to China. So they will have to claim F22 is better no matter what, even if the facts tell otherwise, because their pride will crumble if they have to admit it. So that's why they make this kind of video to make such statement without doing any deep or thorough research. So is F22 better than J20? My answer is: could be, but I think we can only know the answer for real after they face each other in real combat, fought by at least 5 different very good fighters. Until then, let's just say they are tied.
This can cover up the corruption of defense funds, otherwise they will ask you that you spend so much money but you can't achieve your goal, and you will not be given any funds in the future. You will wait for your share of funds to be handed down from top to bottom to continue corruption and legal corruption.
F22 lags behind J20 and F35 in terms of avionics as it's yet to be equipped with EODAS and EOTS. To make it worse, it's hard to upgrade F22 b/c it lacks of an open architecture.
Did these guys do any research? J20 can super cruise without afterburners since last year with their new ws-15 engines and they are far more reliable than the previous ws10 engines
So how long do we wait, before China publishes the Full capabilities? We use capabilities to rate planes or jets, f-22 is better untill we get the full features of j-20.
@@knowingyourmind well ok. 1- it takes more than the ability to detect an aircraft and a missle to shoot down any fighter much less an f22 you have to have high frequency relay data to develop a probability/kill ratio high enough to justify the launch other wise you are firing blindly… many low frequency radar sets can detect any object in the sky but to have an P/K solution to hit a moving object you need a high frequency as the object is moving in angles and speeds that require multiple adjustments in real time, Most countries have the ability to detect an f35 or even an F22 as in they know it’s there but to plot an intercept…. Even we can’t do it… we tried that the Aegis system which is basically the best we can offer currently was able to plot only THREE PK SOLUTIONS. In over 200 engagements with F35 in drills and none with F22 That’s one… and it’s documented… 2-the J20 has the rear cross section and heat signature of an SU37 as it’s power plant is identical to it so on a patriot battery, THAAD, or aegis it roughly looks like a Fiat 500 3- canards do not generate lift they provide stability due to cross section forces at low speed with a clipped Diamond wing which is the F22 it’s very unstable the f22 overcomes this the same way the B2 and B21 overcome the flying wing design with 3 computers that just made slight aeronautical adjustments in real time…. The J20 cannot do this so similar to the Euro typhoon it has canards to stabilize it… resulting it higher radiation crossection Btw the f22 has a computer onboard that has one purpose… to not let the pilot do any flight path change that will cause the aircraft to imply G forces which are lethal to the pilot That’s three all are unclassified data presented by the Airforce and joint nato command after evaluation of the F22 program cancellation in 2017
@@knowingyourmind F-22 isn't the most advanced stealth fighter, the F-35 is. Stealth isn't necessarily a planes ability to be detected but targeted at range. While both stealth fighters, the roles of each aircraft and how they achieve those goals are very different. There's three
The new WS-15 is a supercruise capable engine and China has already fitted and flown J-20s with ws-15 engine. Of course, this analyst ignored that LMAO
dude the raptors engines were made in the late 80s its 2024 NGAD our 6th gen aircraft will be flying by the time china starts producing the f35 counter.... the j31 which is a copy cat aircraft
I'm sure there's no way this would have been published if we thought China's were superior to ours, and there's also undoubtedly info they aren't sharing here in a public video, but it's still interesting just to hear some interesting tidbits about fighter jets.
America has been way behind China in technology for a very long time imo. I just read an article about China being more advanced than America in 37 out of 44 key technologies researches. Probably why the government pushes the UFO/alien stories so hard because they don't want to admit China is in our airspace.
First of all FALCON PUNCH!!! great pfp. 2nd, I feel like I've seen a few videos that point out where we have weaknesses and where China has advantages. I don't agree that UA-cam would block content that makes the US look vulnerable but maybe naive.
I mean, what has china proven? Russian military also looked good on paper until it invaded Ukraine and revealed how incompetent "the 2nd most powerful military in the world" is.
1. When he talks about Radars he should be talking about how powerful the radars that those jets carry, not how difficult they can be detected by other radars. That's still stealth. J20 has the most advance gallium-based radar. 2. Speaking of maneveurs, he said he didn't have too much data and he said Chinese jets are unimpressive. If you have not enough data, you shouldn't be so conclusive, let alone, so subjective. 3. He is wrong about the engine too. J20 has been equipped with a new and far more power engine WS15. He needs to get his data updated. All in all, he speaks from many subjective opinions based on outdated data, and neglects many key elements. Not a quality video.
In respect to maneuverability, The ws15 hasn't replaced the ws10 yet, its still very early on in limited adoption. Even then, by looking at the j20s aerodynamic design, its gonna lose a dogfight to the f22 which has much lower wingloading and thrust vectoring. We havent seen thrust vectoring applied to the ws15 equipped j20s yet.
"One of its earliest versions of a domestically designed engine, the WS-10A, regularly broke down after just 30 hours of use. The main difficulty lies in the metallurgy and machining. A single engine on a civilian Boeing 747 airliner, for example, has at least 40,000 parts. Temperatures in that engine can reach as high as 2,500 degrees Fahrenheit, and its fan blades can spin well over 3,000 times a minute during an hours-long flight. Blueprints for such an engine can be copied, but the secrets to producing and shaping metal parts that can withstand those temperatures and spin at such tremendous RPM over thousands of hours - not to mention external factors like wind resistance and corrosion - without breaking aren't easy to find."
The new engine for the jet is still in testing and is not even working so what are you talking about. In that case the US could bring the NGAD fighter into the comparison. Also the Chinese don’t have a radar better than the F35 or F/A22. China boasts about its mighty dragon but won’t even give details or its radar cross section
J-20 is the most agile fifth-generation aircraft, and will eventually be on the turbofan 15, now the air combat is not close combat, will not give you the opportunity to close up. The J-20 is ahead of the F22 in terms of avionics and situational awareness, and its air-to-air missile PL15 has a far greater range than the F22's AIM120 and has a dual-pulse engine. As for the f35, the biggest enemy of the f35 is not the J-20, but the anti-stealth technology and modification potential. The J-20 is also the first in the world without stealth, but the f35 is embarrassed, even because of the common shock of the tail can not supersonic cruise. Then, all the actions the F22 has done, the fourth generation can do. The maneuvering performance of the f22 displayed by the j20 at the Zhuhai Air Show in 2022 simply cannot be done, and there are videos of that day everywhere. Americans like to brag, at the beginning also said that the f22 lift coefficient 2.0, when the Chinese really built the j20 lift coefficient 2.0, only to find that the f22 only 1.5 lift coefficient.
1) J20 has much better radar (GaN AESA). During the time F22 was developed, GaN radar hadn't invented yet. 2) J20 has better electronic. The chips on F22 was intel 586 level. 3) J20 has better missile. Before deployment of AIM-260, USA dont have a missile that can match PL15. In the mean time, PLA already has the PL17 ready. 4) J20 certainly can supercruise. The WS10C engine currently equipped on J20 already has the supercruise capability not to mention the WS15. 5) F22 lacks EOTS and EODAS, which are crucial when facing stealth fighter. 6) J20 has much larger range. The only short comings of J20 I can think of are: 1) J20 does not have autocannon 2) J20 does not have the 2D TVC Engine which affect maneuverability. Due to the canard design, maybe J20 does not even need a TVC engine. both of them are less important in BVR fighting.
I'm more curious about how much of the data both fighters are reliable vs. educated guesses. All countries lie and should lie about their weapon capabilities both overselling and underselling them for various reasons. As well as the fact that I'm sure Chinese government has more detailed info on American weapons and vice versa, but those details are never getting leaked to the public. So it feels like there's not even a point to comparing these fighter jets. Because even beyond their capabilities, their numbers and usage also factor into things. Cause if there is to be a China-US conflict, it would happen with an invasion of Taiwan next door to China, rather than both countries bring all their stuff to middle of nowhere and decide to fight on equal terms.
china knows the US FAR better than the US knows china thats for sure. For starters chinese people can understand what you people say in english but you can't understand a lick of mandarin.
Your along the right lines here, sort of. Everyone lies about their military, but differently. Because they are similar we'll group together china/russia. Those 2 lie and have been seen adding zeros behind different equipmet. Just grossly overstated. Theres a lot of reasons but comes down to a few points. Selling military equipment. That is a very large part of their economy. This goes to countries unable to secure western weapons due to money, sanctions, barred by political concerns. They don't have anyone else to turn to. The chinese are more entrepreneurial. Through various methods of aquiring/stealing western designs and reverse mfg them. To the best of their abilities. When you look at commerical ip theft and the quality of those, it doesnt inspire confidence. But they go to intl arms shows, get booths next to western defense companies and sell copies of theirs at a fraction the price, but with exaggerated capabilities. They may look like ours, but arent even close real world. Getting back to the org question, theres 3 answers. To sell arms, to show their citizens they are superior, and last info warfare with the west. Bluffing to keep everyone at bay. I think russias experience in ukraine has exposed a lot of this already. But they both still benefit by lying all over the place with any chance they get. Heres were the us differs. We undersell our secrets. Speed of aircraft carriers, range of missiles, rockets, planes, armored vehicles etc etc. this is evident in some items in ukraine. Like when they dropped 10 russian aircraft in a week. You think they moved a patriot battery across a hundred plus miles of the most covered land on the planet? Course not, the russians just found out those sams have a bit longer legs than we ever said. So yeah we lie. Its just different than the guys bragging how elite and unstoppable they are. We do because we can lure more in easily to eliminate.
The goal of China isn't to invade other countries, but primarily to ensure its own safety. If you look at the history of China, you'll find that they don't invade other countries. People talk about Taiwan but even the US acknowledges that Taiwan is a part of China. The US doesn't have the capabilities to defeat China in a head to head should it happen, despite having superior hardware at this point. What the US really should be worrying about isn't having bigger guns, but the economy and the wellbeing of its people. Being $35 trillion in debt means time is running out. The interest alone is in excess of $800 billion a year.
This is super disingenuous. For much of modern history China was to poor/weak to have an expeditionary force and was being conquered/controlled by Japan and Western Powers. As they become richer, stronger, and nationalistic, its not clear what they'll want to do. The U.S. doesn't recognize Taiwan for the sake of stability in that region but it is the main provider of arms to Taiwan. Japan and the U.S. will absolutely support Taiwan over China because Taiwan has TSMC. Technically no nuclear powers have the ability to defeat each other given how destructive nukes are but there is no evidence that China has the capabilities to defeat a U.S. led alliance (Japan, South Korea, Philippines and others) that uses all of the tech in the U.S.'s arsenal. The entire world's economy rests on the U.S. navy ensuring that international waters stay international to ensuring safe shipping lanes for trade. Also military innovation and production helps the economy. The US debt is atrocious but most of it is owned internally and most of the foreign debt is owned by allies. With the U.S. still being the reserve currency of the world and the strongest country, it is not so clear that time is running out. Meanwhile pay no attention to China's population pyramid which is definitely not a ticking time bomb.
So what you are trying to selling is that China should remain poor/weak, so it's clear that a poor/weak China can not do anything to others, but the others can do anything to China. Such a gangster logic.
@@Jewdah18 It really isn't the job of the US interfere with other countries through the weapons trade. It's done so for the past few decades extensively in the middle East, South America, Cuba, USSR, Thailand and now Taiwan, Ukraine and Palestine. The result is millions of unnecessary deaths (Close to 5 million deaths post 9/11). Some countries like Laos are still littered with millions of bombs left by the US decades ago. The only reason the US is interfering is for its own interests. When it was convenient, the US actually funded China to fight against Japan. China was actually one of the wealthiest countries in the 18th century and was neither poor nor weak - accounting for up to 30% of the world's GDP. They have also surpassed the US in GDP parity by 30% today and removed its entire population from poverty. I frequently travel to both the US and China for business and I can tell you from my own experience that the US is decades behind in terms of development. Look at the rail infrastructure and it's like the US is living in the stone ages. I'm from Australia but I lived in NYC in the Jersey area for 5 years of my life (I studied in NYU) and every time I go back I see so much more poverty. The place where I used to rent is now surrounded by tents with homeless people. Meanwhile the government is shipping 200 billion dollars worth of weapons to Ukraine. I don't think this is the right direction.
@@sodazman My point about weapons was in response to your assertion that the U.S. should focus solely on the economy. The U.S.’s complicated history in sharing weapons doesn’t change the fact that developing and manufacturing weapons tremendously helps the U.S. economy. Especially if those weapons contribute to U.S. maritime supremacy which guarantees safe shipping lanes and lower global trade prices. I also think that it is easy to be cynical about the U.S. only interfering for its own interests. Obviously, it is in American interests for Ukraine to remain sovereign and weaken Russia, but the people of Ukraine still deserve freedom. As bad as Iraq was, the U.S. invested a ton of money in trying to create a democracy (which also was in America’s interest). The will to do the right thing can be there even if the reality doesn’t allow that to happen. China throughout history has been one of the wealthiest/strongest empires. But starting in the 19th century till now there have been many foreign countries that have imposed their will on China. Those events still influence how China acts today. While China is way less impoverished than they were 30 years ago, China’s current GDP per capita is ~$12.7k whereas the U.S.’s is $76.3k. I agree that the U.S.’s infrastructure is bad and needs massive investment but looking at the rail system is not fair. Most Americans would rather drive or fly and have never cared about having trains. Poverty in the U.S. is an embarrassment, but it’s wrong to think that it is should stop aid to Ukraine. Many of the weapons that the U.S. gives Ukraine are either prebuilt and/or about to expire. I guess a homeless person would be less homeless in an Abrams tank, but I don’t think that’s a good idea.
But the J-20 does supercruise contrary to how it is portrayed here, and it is equipped with more modern sensor array equipment more in line with the F35, moreover there are more operational J-20s and it is currently in production so there are even more on the way, the F22 might be more be a be slightly better machine but that difference probably won't count for very much
The F-22 isn't even the most advanced American stealth fighter. The F-35 while less cool looking and less famous than the F-22 is 10 years newer with more advanced systems. The U.S military also has nearly six times as many F-35s as it does 22s so in a potential conflict between the U.S and China a fight between F-35s and J-20s is a much more likely fight. The AirForce is working on restarting production of F-22s and wants a modernization program but that is a long way.
May be he is an INSIDER who knows more than we. One thing I do know F22's max speed is March 2.2 and J20's max speed is march 2.5. Again I got those info from youtube. J20 has greater range to reach. Only way to find out which is better is to have a real fight, airplane to airplane. It seems to me this guy was living in the year 2000 and got no ideas of the latest technology in J20 comparing to 20 years old f22 without any updates.
Well you don't know as much as you think. The f-22 does get updates. It's getting enough updates with the most recent to strap an f-35a to its back (in a funding sense)
I thought the retired naval officer could give more detailed data, but it seems that I expected too much.The key Gan radar EOTS EODAS is not mentioned, and the latest mass production of J20 is WS15 engine with higher thrust than higher thrust.😂
The reality is that the F22 has been discontinued a long time ago, one less when one is broken, and the J20 is being mass-produced. I can understand the American mentality from this comparison.
F22 will be retired in 2030. USA has more advanced fighter jets then f22 but we have to compare apples to Apples so it would be the most advanced Chinese fighter jet j20 vs f22.
The entire fleet of F22s is to be retired as early as 2030 due to a host of issues (including operational costs, limited upgradability, older avionics etc). Why are we still comparing the retiring F22 with the emerging J20?
I used to think this video was accurate until it said that China doesn't have its own fighter jet engines. That made me doubt its previous claims. China does have its own engine called the WS-15, which is already installed on the J-20. It's important not to overestimate your opponents, but you shouldn't underestimate them either. Confidence is good, but blind confidence isn't.
Remember when how those canards managed to sneak up on a couple of F-35 over the south china sea ? 😂 now that was hilarious given that the F-35 was supposed to be " undetectable "
His conclusion is largely true between the J20 enter the service in 2017 and F22. It is a remarkable win for the U.S , considering F22 entered the service back in 2005. However, J20 has an advantage that , it continued to be produced and improved overtime while F22 production line was closed permanently. There are several iterations after the first batch of J20, notably the new engines WS15 and rumored GaN AESA, this accompanied by the increased production pace (100-120 per year) and better ranged Air to air missile (PL15) . The conclusion of this video may not be so true now.
Funny how everyone in the internet are seasoned military personnel with tons of combat, and strategic experience and s#*7 but in real life less than 1% of population actually joined the Military 😂😂😂.
@@axelanh4952 still the statement I made is facts. Less than 1% of population have actually ever served. Even if the people who social media focuses to display military content are 10 times more likely to be actual military members, odds are still 9 civilians out of 10 viewers overall. So, you are still way more likely to come across the retired E-12, and the likes of him 🤣 than not.
J-20 is better and here is why. A reasonable deduction is that J-20 and F-22 are near-peer fighters, J-20 would be better in some aspects, F-22 would be better in some others. However, as of this moment, there are far more operational J-20s (at least 270, still in production) than F-22s (187, not counting the losses over the years, and already out of production for 14 years), and the USAF won't be able to deploy all its F-22s to the Pacific theater, while the PLANAF could focus their J-20s in one region. And that is exactly why the US won't risk a direct military conflict with China in the Pacific theater, the best outcome for the US is a pyrrhic victory, one that would definitely cost it the global influence (or whatever left of that) it still possesses right now.
lol western subjective bias against the J20 - by your own admission, you said you don't know much about the J20 and it's all your own guestimates, so how can you fairly compare without knowing all the technical specs of both aircraft??
Wait until he realises the new variants of the J-20 are equipped with the WS-15 engines. These engines have the ability to do super cruise without afterburner, and they are way more powerful.
This guy analysis is meant for kintergarden audiences who know nothing about the J20 and F22A. First of all the new J20B w WS15 engines w higher thrust to weight ratio and overall thrust than the PW119. WS10C engine can allow the J20A to supercruise at M1.5 and the new WS15 can allow the J20B to supercruise at M1.8. Besides the guy didn't mention the F22A doesn't helmet mounted sight, can't do network warfare, doesn't have ETOS and Long range infra red detection capabilities..... etc which the J20 have crucial in combat against stealth aircrafts. J20 radar w much more advance T/R modules than the APG77 used by the F22A hence has longer detection range and better anti-jamming capabilities. Besides the PL15 has 50% more range than the AIM120D which means the J20A/B can detect and shoot down the F22A long before the raptor can detect and fire upon the J20, The USAF is betting on NGAD against the J20 and that tells U which is better. LMAO!!!
Americans think everything China has is stolen, even as the Chinese out perform you guys in so many different technologies. It's gonna be a sad day when you realize how behind you are.
@@levelazn you saw the senate hearing were they said that a small bag probably 1 pound of nuts and bolts used in the so called superior one cost $8000😂😂😂😂 literally the same bag with exact contents cost less than $20😂😂
The J20's supersonic cruise capability and maneuverability are not as good as the F22, and perhaps its stealth capability is not as good as the F22. This is a fact. However, the F22's avionics system is outdated, and it does not have EOTS EODAS and other systems. To put it bluntly, the F22 is not as powerful as the F35 in modern air combat. The F22's supersonic advantage is useless under beyond visual range and various modern sensors. I personally have always believed that the F35 is the most powerful fighter jet in the United States, and the F22 is similar to the F14, which has a lot of emotional points.
The F-22 lags far behind the J-20 in all technical capabilities, such as Stealth(J-20 has used next generation lefthanded metamaterial stealth material), Maneuverability(WS-15 engine performance data is ahead of F-119 engine), Supercruise(1.8 Mach super cruise speed, Maximum speed 2.8 Mach, even 2.55 Mach only with WS-10C engines), Advanced avionics, including low-probability-of-intercept radar (LPIR)(latecomer advantage with third generation semiconductor gallium nitride technology), Networked data fusion, enabling situation awareness on the battlefield(Latecomer advantage, Radar, IRST, EOTS, EORD). And air-to-air missile dual pulse solid fuel engine technology, the PL-15 has a far greater range than that of the AIM-120D. The core processor of the F-22 uses a 500nm technology node PowerPC 603 chip, while the core processor of the F-35 uses a 90nm technology node PowerPC 7448 chip. The core processor of the J-20 is reportedly based on a 28-40nm process chip. The first GaN radar prototype for the U.S. military produced by Raytheon was first installed and tested on April 29, 2021. Therefore, both the F-22's APG-77 radar and the F-35's APG-81 radar are second-generation semiconductor GaAs technology radars. The APG-77 has 1956 T/R modules with a peak power of 20 kW, while the APG-81 has 1676 T/R modules with a peak power expected to be lower than 20 kW (due to second-generation GaAs technology). The J-20's KLJ-5 radar has approximately 2200 receive/transmit T/R modules, with a power output of around 100 kW as reported by the State media CCTV, which can only be achieved by third-generation semiconductor GaN technology power devices. This implies that under equivalent other conditions, the detection range of the J-20 radar could be 50% greater than that of the F-22 and F-35 radars. Consequently, the original plan of the U.S. military to start upgrading the core processors TR-3 and radar APG-85 for the F-35A Block 4 Lot 15-17, which was accelerated to 2023, has now been postponed again, and it is uncertain when the upgrade will enter service. According to CCTV data, the fuel consumption rate of the turbofan WS-15 without afterburner is 0.67 kg/daN/h, and the fuel consumption rate with afterburner is 1.98 kg/daN/h. The fuel consumption rate of the turbofan WS-10C without afterburner is 0.85 kg/daN/h, and the fuel consumption rate with afterburner is 2.2 kg/daN/h. The fuel consumption of the F119 without afterburner is 0.9 kg/daN/h, and with afterburner on it is 2.4 kg/daN/h.
0:54 Bro is talking out his butt. Air superiority fights job is not to knock out air defenses, its solely to destroy enemy fighters and to deny the enemy the ability to use the sky. An f22 will never have the job of attacking a sam site. Thats for multirole, ground attack, and electronic warfare aircraft to do.
We have to admit that, china is doing very well considering how late they have started working on these stealth fighter jets. Russia and US is the first runners and china is the latecomer but growing very fast.
F-22 is 30 years old and the cheap knockoff J-20 came in existence 20 years later, and the best part is China is not even able to match US 30 years old US military technology, that's how far behind they are.
@@davedice4688dum dum tell me why usa hasn't won a war since ww2 ? y'all are better at small ops like extraction or capture ... but idk there's some flaw there that you haven't won an actual war since ww2 ... that too in ww2 battle of stalingrad changes the course ... so stop overestimating .... if there were no nukes Russia is practically undefeatable ... well nukes then so mutual destruction... why haven't us of a has not won a war
There's an adage that if it looks good, it flies good, lol. Not very scientific I know, but the F22 sure does look a lot better flying than the J20, which looks a bit cobbled together and mismatched.
F-22 was developed decades ago and their pilots are very experienced, us has 180 something fully operational and also the us 6th gen fighter is almost fully operational
The actual matchup would surprise you. F22s were designed in the 90s with 90s era computers and sensors. They are out of production and are steadily being retired meaning their numbers will dwindle while J20s are still being built and improved upon. The latest version of the J20 has 360 degree infrared sensors that can passively detect other stealth fighters without even having to turn their radars on. Its the same tech used in the F35 which has beaten F22s using just that method. J20s also have a modern datalink which allows it to spot targets for each other and other PLA fighters, F22s have to rely on their own radars to engage targets meaning they can't remain radar silent when attacking. Finally, the age of the airframes also makes a massive difference. Stealth coatings age just like anything else. Worn stealth coatings from 2 decades of use are significantly less stealthy than something fresh out of the factory. Not to mention the J20 was designed using much more modern stealth coatings after seeing the headaches the F22 causes when it comes to maintaining said stealth coating.
Well basically if the j20s infrared search can pick up and achieve lock on an f22 before the f22 can lock and launch on it, then yes. Impossible to say for sure because we don't know the real stats of these vehicles. They are very different in design philosophy, with j20 being more comparable to the f35.
People forget the f-22 was built in the mid 90’s even if it isn’t at the top, which it still is, it is fighting against technology almost 3 decades more advanced and still winning
i can't believe this video published 1month ago when almost everyone knows the differences, and this video don't even mention. J-20b has two pilots, the back pilots controls two drones to help the main pilots.
Besides China. Easy to steal the blueprints from other countries but a lot harder to build them espically when China can’t make advanced chips on their own. That’s the real reason Xi wants to invade Taiwan for its advanced chip making tech and they’d have blueprints at just about every advanced chip.
The United States has accused China of stealing the plans and secrets of the F22 fighter jet. But why don't we say that China was able to develop a fighter jet with high specifications based on the accumulated experience it gained from the tremendous development in military technology, and the great leap in the transformation from a developing country to a superpower?
Fun fact about J20. In the west China Sea in year 2022, Philippines Air radar defense detected this aircraft in 180 nautical miles in bajudimasinlok island territory of the Philippines. And it was intercept by the Philippines Air Force, by a 4th generation fighter jet which is FA-50. And you know what's more funny our aireal radar defense was bough in the Japan way back in year 90's, and they proclaiming that this is a 5th generation stealth fighter jet even the pilot of the FA-50 have a picture of the jet while intercepting it very stealthy good job China. 😂😂😂
Fun fact, Philippines airforce don’t have any F16 at this moment. Philippines is in the process of financing them but do not have them yet. My guy is making up stories in his mind to beat China 😂
also depends on where they collide. if its happening somewhere near chinese territory, it will become a fight between fighter jet and ballistic misseles rather than jet to jet
Why is this being compared to F-22 and not F-35? It would seem that F-35 is much more comparable in role and is actively being produced, unlike the F-22
"we don't know much about china's fighter jet.. but ours is WAY better"
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wasted about 8 minutes of my time for this UA-camr-level info.
Yeah it sounds dangerous to be complacent and then surprised later
This is a Forest Gump thinking - wishful thinking 🤣
Well yeah
If Chinese tech is so inferior why US is so worried about Chinese advancements in this area
They’re not!
China knows for its copy paste and low quality products.
Just like iphone and huawei
It's normal for you to feel confused, this is a unique way of thinking among Americans. They can do things like thinking that China's economy is collapsing while thinking that China's trade is threatening the United States. Watching European countries like Germany and France strengthen their investment in China, while shouting for foreign investment to escape China, or doing things like using a victorious stance to escape from Afghanistan.
@@ShaKa-Ri yeah, it's not like the US is crying literally 24/7 and 365 days a year about China...
For somebody who is not worried at all, they whine an awful lot about China...
But thats what losers always do, whine and cry about the winners...
@@BOT-ye6tj just lie use media very easy.
Ukraine war is Chinese drones fighting Chinese drones😂😂
that's the great work of DJI
Peak capitalism brought to you by China: selling non-weapons that can be used as weapons, to both sides.
@@jianningxuDJI无人机是民用的
@@jianningxu DJI is not for war specially , it depends on the users.......
Component parts of usa weapons came from china😂
So if we don't know much about the J20, how can you claim the F22 is the best and better than the J20?
US government has a very high pride and dont want their tech to lose to China. So they will have to claim F22 is better no matter what, even if the facts tell otherwise, because their pride will crumble if they have to admit it. So that's why they make this kind of video to make such statement without doing any deep or thorough research.
So is F22 better than J20? My answer is: could be, but I think we can only know the answer for real after they face each other in real combat, fought by at least 5 different very good fighters. Until then, let's just say they are tied.
that is American's trait
Made in US vs Made in China
This can cover up the corruption of defense funds, otherwise they will ask you that you spend so much money but you can't achieve your goal, and you will not be given any funds in the future. You will wait for your share of funds to be handed down from top to bottom to continue corruption and legal corruption.
i dont see anyone trying to go after the F-22. Ask the Iranians in their obsolete F4 Phantoms what happened.
F-22: the balloon killer
One hundred percent, trustworthy
we dont worry about china paper jet
Starscream
that was an f18 shithead
J-20 : Nothing ?
as a chinese millitary engineer worked for glory PLA AIRFORCE i can tell you one secrect: J20 burns coal
lmaoooo
The US wants to believe that J-20 uses water to run their engine. 😅😅😅
As a China engineer who has worked in the military industry for 20 years, I am responsible to say that what he said is right.😅
@@kkxxgff nice to meet you comrade
What he said is true, he used raw coal imported from Australia
The F-22 has combat experience vs Chinese spy balloons
J20's combat experience vs
@@logic-ally well, it scared F35 off in west pacific, LOL
@@MMA-gb6to Nah, also that's not really experience.
@@MMA-gb6toyes it scared it off LOL
@@MMA-gb6to No, no it did not. The 35 wasnt *allowed* to engage. Go post your 50cent army bs elsewhere.
So vague. The only thing he was specific about was the cost of the missiles.
More secrets is better. imo,.
F22 lags behind J20 and F35 in terms of avionics as it's yet to be equipped with EODAS and EOTS. To make it worse, it's hard to upgrade F22 b/c it lacks of an open architecture.
@@TellenJones They updated that??? So what yours point?
@@TellenJonesThe F22 is currently getting its avionics upgraded, so it being “hard” to upgrade doesn’t matter since they have a plan in place.
welcome to the world of the military, everything is an estimate.
Did these guys do any research? J20 can super cruise without afterburners since last year with their new ws-15 engines and they are far more reliable than the previous ws10 engines
The J20A isn't projected to deploy until 2025. Maybe even later if the new WS-15 engines don't work out.
涡扇10c就可以超音速巡航了
@@waisinglee1509 That's your wishful thinking
@@KC-vx7gj Go and do some research.
Oh really? Has seen actual combat? Any real world experience? Russian military also looked good on paper until it attacked Ukraine.
Guy says that there are little known about the J-20 and concludes that the f-22 is superior... Lol
You don't have to know much about a sloth to understand that it's not going to outrun a cheetah. In some cases basic observations can tell you a lot.
So how long do we wait, before China publishes the Full capabilities? We use capabilities to rate planes or jets, f-22 is better untill we get the full features of j-20.
@@droneybaloney6964
an India-style conclusion. 😂😂😂
@@droneybaloney6964And that’s why the J 20 is better than the crash 35
I lost count of how many wrong statements are being made lol wow
Ok, Bozo. Give three. Explain them, and then back them up with relevant data.
@@knowingyourmind well ok. 1- it takes more than the ability to detect an aircraft and a missle to shoot down any fighter much less an f22 you have to have high frequency relay data to develop a probability/kill ratio high enough to justify the launch other wise you are firing blindly… many low frequency radar sets can detect any object in the sky but to have an P/K solution to hit a moving object you need a high frequency as the object is moving in angles and speeds that require multiple adjustments in real time,
Most countries have the ability to detect an f35 or even an F22 as in they know it’s there but to plot an intercept…. Even we can’t do it… we tried that the Aegis system which is basically the best we can offer currently was able to plot only THREE PK SOLUTIONS. In over 200 engagements with F35 in drills and none with F22
That’s one… and it’s documented…
2-the J20 has the rear cross section and heat signature of an SU37 as it’s power plant is identical to it so on a patriot battery, THAAD, or aegis it roughly looks like a Fiat 500
3- canards do not generate lift they provide stability due to cross section forces at low speed with a clipped Diamond wing which is the F22 it’s very unstable the f22 overcomes this the same way the B2 and B21 overcome the flying wing design with 3 computers that just made slight aeronautical adjustments in real time…. The J20 cannot do this so similar to the Euro typhoon it has canards to stabilize it… resulting it higher radiation crossection
Btw the f22 has a computer onboard that has one purpose… to not let the pilot do any flight path change that will cause the aircraft to imply G forces which are lethal to the pilot
That’s three all are unclassified data presented by the Airforce and joint nato command after evaluation of the F22 program cancellation in 2017
J20 can super cruise without afterburners, the missile types both fighters carry and the radar cross section of both jets
Ok Mr. engineer, clearly u can do better professional assumptions, now make ur own video then.
@@knowingyourmind F-22 isn't the most advanced stealth fighter, the F-35 is. Stealth isn't necessarily a planes ability to be detected but targeted at range. While both stealth fighters, the roles of each aircraft and how they achieve those goals are very different. There's three
His wording and lack of technical knowledge makes me think he was a plumber in the navy
Ok Maverick 😅
The new WS-15 is a supercruise capable engine and China has already fitted and flown J-20s with ws-15 engine. Of course, this analyst ignored that LMAO
This cannot be said, try some way to fight the enemy with the art of language
Ws15 is not operational service
dude the raptors engines were made in the late 80s its 2024 NGAD our 6th gen aircraft will be flying by the time china starts producing the f35 counter.... the j31 which is a copy cat aircraft
Yeah, once the PLA airforce fits all J-20s with WS-15s it'll be a proper 5th gen plane capable of competing with the F-35
I'm sure there's no way this would have been published if we thought China's were superior to ours, and there's also undoubtedly info they aren't sharing here in a public video, but it's still interesting just to hear some interesting tidbits about fighter jets.
America has been way behind China in technology for a very long time imo. I just read an article about China being more advanced than America in 37 out of 44 key technologies researches. Probably why the government pushes the UFO/alien stories so hard because they don't want to admit China is in our airspace.
Watch out you backyard! Chinese Immigrants joint by other Asian ethnics groups are building their new country inside of America!
First of all FALCON PUNCH!!! great pfp. 2nd, I feel like I've seen a few videos that point out where we have weaknesses and where China has advantages. I don't agree that UA-cam would block content that makes the US look vulnerable but maybe naive.
There was an individual who spied on the development, who was from China. So, I would back you to say that they weren't superior.
@@LiberRaider不，我说过美国和印度一些坏话，然后被封号禁言12个小时，看吧，这就是所谓的你们西方人的言论自由😂😂
You’re American of course you would say that!
I mean, what has china proven? Russian military also looked good on paper until it invaded Ukraine and revealed how incompetent "the 2nd most powerful military in the world" is.
1. When he talks about Radars he should be talking about how powerful the radars that those jets carry, not how difficult they can be detected by other radars. That's still stealth. J20 has the most advance gallium-based radar.
2. Speaking of maneveurs, he said he didn't have too much data and he said Chinese jets are unimpressive. If you have not enough data, you shouldn't be so conclusive, let alone, so subjective.
3. He is wrong about the engine too. J20 has been equipped with a new and far more power engine WS15. He needs to get his data updated.
All in all, he speaks from many subjective opinions based on outdated data, and neglects many key elements. Not a quality video.
In respect to maneuverability, The ws15 hasn't replaced the ws10 yet, its still very early on in limited adoption. Even then, by looking at the j20s aerodynamic design, its gonna lose a dogfight to the f22 which has much lower wingloading and thrust vectoring. We havent seen thrust vectoring applied to the ws15 equipped j20s yet.
"One of its earliest versions of a domestically designed engine, the WS-10A, regularly broke down after just 30 hours of use.
The main difficulty lies in the metallurgy and machining. A single engine on a civilian Boeing 747 airliner, for example, has at least 40,000 parts. Temperatures in that engine can reach as high as 2,500 degrees Fahrenheit, and its fan blades can spin well over 3,000 times a minute during an hours-long flight.
Blueprints for such an engine can be copied, but the secrets to producing and shaping metal parts that can withstand those temperatures and spin at such tremendous RPM over thousands of hours - not to mention external factors like wind resistance and corrosion - without breaking aren't easy to find."
The new engine for the jet is still in testing and is not even working so what are you talking about. In that case the US could bring the NGAD fighter into the comparison. Also the Chinese don’t have a radar better than the F35 or F/A22. China boasts about its mighty dragon but won’t even give details or its radar cross section
J-20 is the most agile fifth-generation aircraft, and will eventually be on the turbofan 15, now the air combat is not close combat, will not give you the opportunity to close up. The J-20 is ahead of the F22 in terms of avionics and situational awareness, and its air-to-air missile PL15 has a far greater range than the F22's AIM120 and has a dual-pulse engine. As for the f35, the biggest enemy of the f35 is not the J-20, but the anti-stealth technology and modification potential. The J-20 is also the first in the world without stealth, but the f35 is embarrassed, even because of the common shock of the tail can not supersonic cruise. Then, all the actions the F22 has done, the fourth generation can do. The maneuvering performance of the f22 displayed by the j20 at the Zhuhai Air Show in 2022 simply cannot be done, and there are videos of that day everywhere. Americans like to brag, at the beginning also said that the f22 lift coefficient 2.0, when the Chinese really built the j20 lift coefficient 2.0, only to find that the f22 only 1.5 lift coefficient.
and Gan based radar and WS15 engine isnt yet into service....duh
1) J20 has much better radar (GaN AESA). During the time F22 was developed, GaN radar hadn't invented yet.
2) J20 has better electronic. The chips on F22 was intel 586 level.
3) J20 has better missile. Before deployment of AIM-260, USA dont have a missile that can match PL15. In the mean time, PLA already has the PL17 ready.
4) J20 certainly can supercruise. The WS10C engine currently equipped on J20 already has the supercruise capability not to mention the WS15.
5) F22 lacks EOTS and EODAS, which are crucial when facing stealth fighter.
6) J20 has much larger range.
The only short comings of J20 I can think of are:
1) J20 does not have autocannon
2) J20 does not have the 2D TVC Engine which affect maneuverability. Due to the canard design, maybe J20 does not even need a TVC engine.
both of them are less important in BVR fighting.
AIM26) could fit inside internal weapon bay while PL-17 doesnt...hihihih
F22 is not the most advanced American fighter jet but j20 is the most advanced Chinese jet and f22 is still better then j20
This is just Chinese wishful thinking without any basis.
@@마루치-o3l This is also just american wishful thinking without any basis.😎
@@마루치-o3lyou too as well talking the f-22 😂😂😂
How can you compare something that you don't know much about to something that you do know , and at the same time claim that it is a replica ?
The glaring lack of research by the speaker woke me up from my half-asleep state.
I'm more curious about how much of the data both fighters are reliable vs. educated guesses. All countries lie and should lie about their weapon capabilities both overselling and underselling them for various reasons. As well as the fact that I'm sure Chinese government has more detailed info on American weapons and vice versa, but those details are never getting leaked to the public. So it feels like there's not even a point to comparing these fighter jets. Because even beyond their capabilities, their numbers and usage also factor into things. Cause if there is to be a China-US conflict, it would happen with an invasion of Taiwan next door to China, rather than both countries bring all their stuff to middle of nowhere and decide to fight on equal terms.
Watch out you backyard! Chinese Immigrants joint by other Asian ethnics groups are building their new country inside of America!
No no. China has the USA beat for sure... wink*
dont be shy shina
china knows the US FAR better than the US knows china thats for sure. For starters chinese people can understand what you people say in english but you can't understand a lick of mandarin.
Your along the right lines here, sort of. Everyone lies about their military, but differently. Because they are similar we'll group together china/russia. Those 2 lie and have been seen adding zeros behind different equipmet. Just grossly overstated. Theres a lot of reasons but comes down to a few points. Selling military equipment. That is a very large part of their economy. This goes to countries unable to secure western weapons due to money, sanctions, barred by political concerns. They don't have anyone else to turn to. The chinese are more entrepreneurial. Through various methods of aquiring/stealing western designs and reverse mfg them. To the best of their abilities. When you look at commerical ip theft and the quality of those, it doesnt inspire confidence. But they go to intl arms shows, get booths next to western defense companies and sell copies of theirs at a fraction the price, but with exaggerated capabilities. They may look like ours, but arent even close real world. Getting back to the org question, theres 3 answers. To sell arms, to show their citizens they are superior, and last info warfare with the west. Bluffing to keep everyone at bay. I think russias experience in ukraine has exposed a lot of this already. But they both still benefit by lying all over the place with any chance they get. Heres were the us differs. We undersell our secrets. Speed of aircraft carriers, range of missiles, rockets, planes, armored vehicles etc etc. this is evident in some items in ukraine. Like when they dropped 10 russian aircraft in a week. You think they moved a patriot battery across a hundred plus miles of the most covered land on the planet? Course not, the russians just found out those sams have a bit longer legs than we ever said. So yeah we lie. Its just different than the guys bragging how elite and unstoppable they are. We do because we can lure more in easily to eliminate.
We don’t know much about the J-20… Proceeds to tell us everything about the J-20 including video😂
The goal of China isn't to invade other countries, but primarily to ensure its own safety. If you look at the history of China, you'll find that they don't invade other countries. People talk about Taiwan but even the US acknowledges that Taiwan is a part of China.
The US doesn't have the capabilities to defeat China in a head to head should it happen, despite having superior hardware at this point. What the US really should be worrying about isn't having bigger guns, but the economy and the wellbeing of its people. Being $35 trillion in debt means time is running out. The interest alone is in excess of $800 billion a year.
This is super disingenuous. For much of modern history China was to poor/weak to have an expeditionary force and was being conquered/controlled by Japan and Western Powers. As they become richer, stronger, and nationalistic, its not clear what they'll want to do.
The U.S. doesn't recognize Taiwan for the sake of stability in that region but it is the main provider of arms to Taiwan. Japan and the U.S. will absolutely support Taiwan over China because Taiwan has TSMC.
Technically no nuclear powers have the ability to defeat each other given how destructive nukes are but there is no evidence that China has the capabilities to defeat a U.S. led alliance (Japan, South Korea, Philippines and others) that uses all of the tech in the U.S.'s arsenal.
The entire world's economy rests on the U.S. navy ensuring that international waters stay international to ensuring safe shipping lanes for trade. Also military innovation and production helps the economy.
The US debt is atrocious but most of it is owned internally and most of the foreign debt is owned by allies. With the U.S. still being the reserve currency of the world and the strongest country, it is not so clear that time is running out.
Meanwhile pay no attention to China's population pyramid which is definitely not a ticking time bomb.
So what you are trying to selling is that China should remain poor/weak, so it's clear that a poor/weak China can not do anything to others, but the others can do anything to China.
Such a gangster logic.
@@funafei5225No. I'm not saying what should happen, I'm just giving the facts of what has happened and what that means going forward.
@@Jewdah18 It really isn't the job of the US interfere with other countries through the weapons trade. It's done so for the past few decades extensively in the middle East, South America, Cuba, USSR, Thailand and now Taiwan, Ukraine and Palestine. The result is millions of unnecessary deaths (Close to 5 million deaths post 9/11). Some countries like Laos are still littered with millions of bombs left by the US decades ago. The only reason the US is interfering is for its own interests. When it was convenient, the US actually funded China to fight against Japan.
China was actually one of the wealthiest countries in the 18th century and was neither poor nor weak - accounting for up to 30% of the world's GDP. They have also surpassed the US in GDP parity by 30% today and removed its entire population from poverty.
I frequently travel to both the US and China for business and I can tell you from my own experience that the US is decades behind in terms of development. Look at the rail infrastructure and it's like the US is living in the stone ages. I'm from Australia but I lived in NYC in the Jersey area for 5 years of my life (I studied in NYU) and every time I go back I see so much more poverty. The place where I used to rent is now surrounded by tents with homeless people. Meanwhile the government is shipping 200 billion dollars worth of weapons to Ukraine. I don't think this is the right direction.
@@sodazman My point about weapons was in response to your assertion that the U.S. should focus solely on the economy. The U.S.’s complicated history in sharing weapons doesn’t change the fact that developing and manufacturing weapons tremendously helps the U.S. economy. Especially if those weapons contribute to U.S. maritime supremacy which guarantees safe shipping lanes and lower global trade prices.
I also think that it is easy to be cynical about the U.S. only interfering for its own interests. Obviously, it is in American interests for Ukraine to remain sovereign and weaken Russia, but the people of Ukraine still deserve freedom. As bad as Iraq was, the U.S. invested a ton of money in trying to create a democracy (which also was in America’s interest). The will to do the right thing can be there even if the reality doesn’t allow that to happen.
China throughout history has been one of the wealthiest/strongest empires. But starting in the 19th century till now there have been many foreign countries that have imposed their will on China. Those events still influence how China acts today. While China is way less impoverished than they were 30 years ago, China’s current GDP per capita is ~$12.7k whereas the U.S.’s is $76.3k.
I agree that the U.S.’s infrastructure is bad and needs massive investment but looking at the rail system is not fair. Most Americans would rather drive or fly and have never cared about having trains.
Poverty in the U.S. is an embarrassment, but it’s wrong to think that it is should stop aid to Ukraine. Many of the weapons that the U.S. gives Ukraine are either prebuilt and/or about to expire. I guess a homeless person would be less homeless in an Abrams tank, but I don’t think that’s a good idea.
Oh My God! Are you sure the J-20's maneuverability is mediocre? LOL
Yes
Obviously our commentator is outdated
But the J-20 does supercruise contrary to how it is portrayed here, and it is equipped with more modern sensor array equipment more in line with the F35, moreover there are more operational J-20s and it is currently in production so there are even more on the way, the F22 might be more be a be slightly better machine but that difference probably won't count for very much
The F-22 isn't even the most advanced American stealth fighter. The F-35 while less cool looking and less famous than the F-22 is 10 years newer with more advanced systems. The U.S military also has nearly six times as many F-35s as it does 22s so in a potential conflict between the U.S and China a fight between F-35s and J-20s is a much more likely fight. The AirForce is working on restarting production of F-22s and wants a modernization program but that is a long way.
Only 29% of F35 is operational, another tax pit.
May be he is an INSIDER who knows more than we. One thing I do know F22's max speed is March 2.2 and J20's max speed is march 2.5. Again I got those info from youtube. J20 has greater range to reach. Only way to find out which is better is to have a real fight, airplane to airplane. It seems to me this guy was living in the year 2000 and got no ideas of the latest technology in J20 comparing to 20 years old f22 without any updates.
Well you don't know as much as you think. The f-22 does get updates. It's getting enough updates with the most recent to strap an f-35a to its back (in a funding sense)
2.5? We’ll see!
I thought the retired naval officer could give more detailed data, but it seems that I expected too much.The key Gan radar EOTS EODAS is not mentioned, and the latest mass production of J20 is WS15 engine with higher thrust than higher thrust.😂
It’s also been reported that the new engine is far from reliable and has had failures with one being at an air show 😂
@@anthonyk423 That was ten years ago, and now all technical obstacles have been overcome.😂
The reality is that the F22 has been discontinued a long time ago, one less when one is broken, and the J20 is being mass-produced. I can understand the American mentality from this comparison.
That is a lie the f-22 is not being retired
F22 will be retired in 2030. USA has more advanced fighter jets then f22 but we have to compare apples to Apples so it would be the most advanced Chinese fighter jet j20 vs f22.
@@mariajones8304 isnt j 35 the most advanced chinese jet
The entire fleet of F22s is to be retired as early as 2030 due to a host of issues (including operational costs, limited upgradability, older avionics etc). Why are we still comparing the retiring F22 with the emerging J20?
exactly!
I used to think this video was accurate until it said that China doesn't have its own fighter jet engines. That made me doubt its previous claims. China does have its own engine called the WS-15, which is already installed on the J-20. It's important not to overestimate your opponents, but you shouldn't underestimate them either. Confidence is good, but blind confidence isn't.
J-20 HAS ws-15 engines ,YOUR INFORMATION IS A JOKE!!!!
Seeing those huge canards on a stealth fighter is hilarious
see american stealth fighters on chinese radar is even funnier
@@levelaznFunny joke just not reality.
Watch out you backyard! Chinese Immigrants joint by other Asian ethnics groups are building their new country inside of America!
Remember when how those canards managed to sneak up on a couple of F-35 over the south china sea ? 😂 now that was hilarious given that the F-35 was supposed to be " undetectable "
they have little affect on stealth in this particular application
His conclusion is largely true between the J20 enter the service in 2017 and F22. It is a remarkable win for the U.S , considering F22 entered the service back in 2005.
However, J20 has an advantage that , it continued to be produced and improved overtime while F22 production line was closed permanently. There are several iterations after the first batch of J20, notably the new engines WS15 and rumored GaN AESA, this accompanied by the increased production pace (100-120 per year) and better ranged Air to air missile (PL15) . The conclusion of this video may not be so true now.
Funny how everyone in the internet are seasoned military personnel with tons of combat, and strategic experience and s#*7 but in real life less than 1% of population actually joined the Military 😂😂😂.
number of people who are commenting here are far less than 1% of population so you can't make that assumption.
Selection bias is at play here tho, more likely for military veterans to click on this video than a layman
@@Don4L_ like the famous E-12 commenting around ? 🤣
@@axelanh4952 still the statement I made is facts. Less than 1% of population have actually ever served. Even if the people who social media focuses to display military content are 10 times more likely to be actual military members, odds are still 9 civilians out of 10 viewers overall. So, you are still way more likely to come across the retired E-12, and the likes of him 🤣 than not.
@@MassimvsPrimoMeridio how did you come up with the figure "less than 1%"? Trust me bro?
So you are speaking at length about the F22 but know very little about the Chinese plane. Does this make sense to you???
even more dumb to repeat a RSC of the f22 the size of the golf ball. if it is.. it wouldn't register on the radar
Like a ship displaces water a plane displaces air.
You just gotta know what to look for.
noise .... dont forget that
Apples Vs Oranges ....
J-20 is better and here is why.
A reasonable deduction is that J-20 and F-22 are near-peer fighters, J-20 would be better in some aspects, F-22 would be better in some others. However, as of this moment, there are far more operational J-20s (at least 270, still in production) than F-22s (187, not counting the losses over the years, and already out of production for 14 years), and the USAF won't be able to deploy all its F-22s to the Pacific theater, while the PLANAF could focus their J-20s in one region.
And that is exactly why the US won't risk a direct military conflict with China in the Pacific theater, the best outcome for the US is a pyrrhic victory, one that would definitely cost it the global influence (or whatever left of that) it still possesses right now.
F-22 tells j-20, I should call you mini-me
j20 is much bigger
@@bioberliner 🙃 referring to mighty power and technology
I’d call the j-22 Quasimodo but that would be too insulting to him.
As a US Military engineer with 20 years experience I can say we are working on F-99 that can surpass hyperhigh speed.
That’s Starscream
Know this my friend Unknown enemy is the most dangerous one
lol western subjective bias against the J20 - by your own admission, you said you don't know much about the J20 and it's all your own guestimates, so how can you fairly compare without knowing all the technical specs of both aircraft??
“There is no greater danger than underestimating your opponent” - Tzu
Very general statements were made; little comparison was done. Disappointing...
That’s because one is operational and has been for 20 years and the other is still in testing
Wait until he realises the new variants of the J-20 are equipped with the WS-15 engines. These engines have the ability to do super cruise without afterburner, and they are way more powerful.
ws15 not yet entering service
No matter how better F-22 is, its production line is stopped. But China is building more & more J-20🤣🤣🤣
In military industry there's no patent rights, before accusing others of stealing, it's better for you to keep your drawings in a safer place.
This guy analysis is meant for kintergarden audiences who know nothing about the J20 and F22A. First of all the new J20B w WS15 engines w higher thrust to weight ratio and overall thrust than the PW119. WS10C engine can allow the J20A to supercruise at M1.5 and the new WS15 can allow the J20B to supercruise at M1.8. Besides the guy didn't mention the F22A doesn't helmet mounted sight, can't do network warfare, doesn't have ETOS and Long range infra red detection capabilities..... etc which the J20 have crucial in combat against stealth aircrafts. J20 radar w much more advance T/R modules than the APG77 used by the F22A hence has longer detection range and better anti-jamming capabilities. Besides the PL15 has 50% more range than the AIM120D which means the J20A/B can detect and shoot down the F22A long before the raptor can detect and fire upon the J20, The USAF is betting on NGAD against the J20 and that tells U which is better. LMAO!!!
dude says f22 has never been beat, meanwhile im pretty sure the rafale, gripen have both been able to flag it in exercises
Considering the F-22 struggled again a Chinese balloon, I wouldn't underestimate the J-20
How did it struggle?
Lol it didn't struggle what are you talking about, shill?
@@ianduffy5176 the 1st missile fired totally missed the balloon, numbnuts 🤣🤣; the pilot had to get closer to the balloon to fire the 2nd missile. 😂😂
@@ianduffy5176 they shot 2 missiles, the first one missed lmao
People in comments good social credit scores now
So the SU-57 is not considered to be a 5th gen stealth fighter?
Eff the su57
Its not a stealth fighter thats for sure. If a 5th gen needs to have the attributes of f22, f35, j20. Then no.
@@nuckerball1259 J-35
It is the least stealthiest of 5th gen fighters and it's radar isn't that great.
4.5
That twin engine is screaming "im not stealthy" 😂 add when it use afterburners
J35A of china is the most powerful most advance jetfighter inth this generation .
I'm gonna give you a hint, the one that's better isn't a stolen copy of the other loool
Americans think everything China has is stolen, even as the Chinese out perform you guys in so many different technologies. It's gonna be a sad day when you realize how behind you are.
the one thats better doesn't have a budget of 1 trillion
@@levelaznhow is that better? 🤣
@@levelazn you saw the senate hearing were they said that a small bag probably 1 pound of nuts and bolts used in the so called superior one cost $8000😂😂😂😂 literally the same bag with exact contents cost less than $20😂😂
@@Boom-eo8ht no corruption
Poor explanation. All stealth fighters can be located by low band radar arrays. But they are hard to get a weapon’s grade lock.
I'd like to know why only 29% of our F35s are operational.
Thats not important, what's important is they look cool so we can claim how amazing they are, doesnt matter that they dont work most of the time 🤣
"Appear Weak when Strong"
bec they're so unreliable - prone to many accidents and crashes
The J20's supersonic cruise capability and maneuverability are not as good as the F22, and perhaps its stealth capability is not as good as the F22. This is a fact. However, the F22's avionics system is outdated, and it does not have EOTS EODAS and other systems. To put it bluntly, the F22 is not as powerful as the F35 in modern air combat. The F22's supersonic advantage is useless under beyond visual range and various modern sensors. I personally have always believed that the F35 is the most powerful fighter jet in the United States, and the F22 is similar to the F14, which has a lot of emotional points.
It's not even a close comparison.
Yes.
The odds are in favor of J-20 as it holds the latest technology as per international standards.
@@ajaykumarsingh702so does the F22 the F22 has been updated since it was first operational
The F-22 lags far behind the J-20 in all technical capabilities, such as Stealth(J-20 has used next generation lefthanded metamaterial stealth material), Maneuverability(WS-15 engine performance data is ahead of F-119 engine), Supercruise(1.8 Mach super cruise speed, Maximum speed 2.8 Mach, even 2.55 Mach only with WS-10C engines), Advanced avionics, including low-probability-of-intercept radar (LPIR)(latecomer advantage with third generation semiconductor gallium nitride technology), Networked data fusion, enabling situation awareness on the battlefield(Latecomer advantage, Radar, IRST, EOTS, EORD). And air-to-air missile dual pulse solid fuel engine technology, the PL-15 has a far greater range than that of the AIM-120D.
The core processor of the F-22 uses a 500nm technology node PowerPC 603 chip, while the core processor of the F-35 uses a 90nm technology node PowerPC 7448 chip. The core processor of the J-20 is reportedly based on a 28-40nm process chip. The first GaN radar prototype for the U.S. military produced by Raytheon was first installed and tested on April 29, 2021. Therefore, both the F-22's APG-77 radar and the F-35's APG-81 radar are second-generation semiconductor GaAs technology radars. The APG-77 has 1956 T/R modules with a peak power of 20 kW, while the APG-81 has 1676 T/R modules with a peak power expected to be lower than 20 kW (due to second-generation GaAs technology). The J-20's KLJ-5 radar has approximately 2200 receive/transmit T/R modules, with a power output of around 100 kW as reported by the State media CCTV, which can only be achieved by third-generation semiconductor GaN technology power devices. This implies that under equivalent other conditions, the detection range of the J-20 radar could be 50% greater than that of the F-22 and F-35 radars. Consequently, the original plan of the U.S. military to start upgrading the core processors TR-3 and radar APG-85 for the F-35A Block 4 Lot 15-17, which was accelerated to 2023, has now been postponed again, and it is uncertain when the upgrade will enter service.
According to CCTV data, the fuel consumption rate of the turbofan WS-15 without afterburner is 0.67 kg/daN/h, and the fuel consumption rate with afterburner is 1.98 kg/daN/h. The fuel consumption rate of the turbofan WS-10C without afterburner is 0.85 kg/daN/h, and the fuel consumption rate with afterburner is 2.2 kg/daN/h. The fuel consumption of the F119 without afterburner is 0.9 kg/daN/h, and with afterburner on it is 2.4 kg/daN/h.
F22 are retiring while J20 are deploying 10:11 and upgraded. That says enough.
0:54 Bro is talking out his butt. Air superiority fights job is not to knock out air defenses, its solely to destroy enemy fighters and to deny the enemy the ability to use the sky. An f22 will never have the job of attacking a sam site. Thats for multirole, ground attack, and electronic warfare aircraft to do.
A design of fighter jet with canard stolen from the one without it. Lmao😂
this guy seriously out of date, and still repeat f22 RCS the size of a golf ball, does he have the evidence?
China's J20 is really good at flying in formation at airshows.
French Rafale 🇫🇷 >>>>>
F-22 Is better
hahahahhahaha funny joke
The Rafale doesn't have a chance against both the f22 & J20 😂
The comparation itself evidences FEAR
We have a saying in Korea: "F-22 is for fighting aliens"
F-22 >>>> J-20
Watch out! Chinese and other Asian ethnics groups are building their new country inside of America!
We have a saying in china as well: Korea is No.1 country in the universe...
Korea is universal thief 😂
@@peianghe2466 just brush your teeth first, ok?
Everyone knows that pets must be loyal to their owners
Lets ask an American what's better.... Chooses America lol
Ask Chinese what's better and they will say Chinese is better, what's your point?
says an american analyst
We have to admit that, china is doing very well considering how late they have started working on these stealth fighter jets. Russia and US is the first runners and china is the latecomer but growing very fast.
They bootleg very well😂
Hahahahahahaha no. They’re still so far behind it’s almost funny.
F-22 is 30 years old and the cheap knockoff J-20 came in existence 20 years later, and the best part is China is not even able to match US 30 years old US military technology, that's how far behind they are.
@@davedice4688dum dum tell me why usa hasn't won a war since ww2 ?
y'all are better at small ops like extraction or capture ... but idk there's some flaw there that you haven't won an actual war since ww2 ... that too in ww2 battle of stalingrad changes the course ... so stop overestimating .... if there were no nukes Russia is practically undefeatable ... well nukes then so mutual destruction... why haven't us of a has not won a war
@@rohinanand540the US beat Iraq twice. They had a large army. Technically they beat the Soviets too in the Cold War.
There's an adage that if it looks good, it flies good, lol. Not very scientific I know, but the F22 sure does look a lot better flying than the J20, which looks a bit cobbled together and mismatched.
The j20s rcs is alot higher compared to the raptor. The chinese h20 bomber isn't much better. India radars were able to track the j20
WOW 😲
That's incredible!
Too bad you lack the knowledge to know Lunenburg lenses exist. Any stealth fighter can be detected
@@_Chad_ThunderCock you know there is a difference between detect and track wumao
@@willpaddack2798 Itd be embarassing for the Indians if they weren't able to track a stealth jet that had it's Lunenburg lenses on
@@_Chad_ThunderCock you have no idea what your talking about 😂
F-22 is no longer in production because a 6 gen aircraft is already in the works.
F-22 was developed decades ago and their pilots are very experienced, us has 180 something fully operational and also the us 6th gen fighter is almost fully operational
But one thing for sure: the J20 production rate is increasing rapidly, while the F22 production line has long been dismantled, gone, done, forever.
@@shuaiguo So, US 6th gen fighters have already been flown
@@jha2866你伟大的主席知晓你用UA-cam吗😊
不也是你主席吗？
Attack helicopters and CAS are redundant in a near peer confrontation, unless you accept huge casualties.
The actual matchup would surprise you. F22s were designed in the 90s with 90s era computers and sensors. They are out of production and are steadily being retired meaning their numbers will dwindle while J20s are still being built and improved upon.
The latest version of the J20 has 360 degree infrared sensors that can passively detect other stealth fighters without even having to turn their radars on. Its the same tech used in the F35 which has beaten F22s using just that method.
J20s also have a modern datalink which allows it to spot targets for each other and other PLA fighters, F22s have to rely on their own radars to engage targets meaning they can't remain radar silent when attacking.
Finally, the age of the airframes also makes a massive difference. Stealth coatings age just like anything else. Worn stealth coatings from 2 decades of use are significantly less stealthy than something fresh out of the factory. Not to mention the J20 was designed using much more modern stealth coatings after seeing the headaches the F22 causes when it comes to maintaining said stealth coating.
Well basically if the j20s infrared search can pick up and achieve lock on an f22 before the f22 can lock and launch on it, then yes. Impossible to say for sure because we don't know the real stats of these vehicles. They are very different in design philosophy, with j20 being more comparable to the f35.
People forget the f-22 was built in the mid 90’s even if it isn’t at the top, which it still is, it is fighting against technology almost 3 decades more advanced and still winning
This guy gives info what can be easily googled
Laugh now China has 6th generation fighter jet . And they are now 10 years ahead than US .
Original vs Copy
and india has neither of them 🤣
i can't believe this video published 1month ago when almost everyone knows the differences, and this video don't even mention. J-20b has two pilots, the back pilots controls two drones to help the main pilots.
Please put metric figures on screen. The world uses metric, not Imperial.
Why people still comparing an 2000s fighter with 2020s fighter...
F-22 is better
my grandma is better than F-22
@@MMA-gb6towow good come back LOL
@@MMA-gb6to it depends on what
@@MMA-gb6to😂😂😂😂😂😂such a strong comeback. “My Grandma is better than the F22, “ how many social credit points did you get?
@@garrettfulks2932 As I understand it, the points earned should be lower than shooting down a balloon with an F22. But not by much. Go for it, man!😂😂
A narrator who speaks English will never accept the fame of Russian and Chinese Military capabilities and original strength
too bad the F-22 was so expensive that they scrapped most of the orders for hundreds of them and redirected into variations of the F-35
That’s wasn’t why they scrapped the remainders
nope. Soviet collapses so the US had no reason to make F22s anymore.
@@Zakna such a simple and correct answer. And so easy to find. You’d wonder why so many have so much trouble finding it…
America is stronger in America is brave and America is stronger than anything
What happended to America In Afg ?
I saw an F22 in person at an air show and I’m absolutely sure there’s no way the Chinese can make that lol
these kinds of videos always attract the chinese bots lol
no one should lose sleep over China's J20
Americunt bots are dog talking non stop about Chinese stealth jets!! 😂😂
Yup the comments are full of em. One bot even commented that China hasn't invaded anybody. They have invaded India, Bhutan, Nepal multiple times.
Besides China. Easy to steal the blueprints from other countries but a lot harder to build them espically when China can’t make advanced chips on their own. That’s the real reason Xi wants to invade Taiwan for its advanced chip making tech and they’d have blueprints at just about every advanced chip.
The United States has accused China of stealing the plans and secrets of the F22 fighter jet. But why don't we say that China was able to develop a fighter jet with high specifications based on the accumulated experience it gained from the tremendous development in military technology, and the great leap in the transformation from a developing country to a superpower?
Fun fact about J20. In the west China Sea in year 2022, Philippines Air radar defense detected this aircraft in 180 nautical miles in bajudimasinlok island territory of the Philippines. And it was intercept by the Philippines Air Force, by a 4th generation fighter jet which is FA-50. And you know what's more funny our aireal radar defense was bough in the Japan way back in year 90's, and they proclaiming that this is a 5th generation stealth fighter jet even the pilot of the FA-50 have a picture of the jet while intercepting it very stealthy good job China. 😂😂😂
Google Luneburg lens, please.
Fun fact, Philippines airforce don’t have any F16 at this moment. Philippines is in the process of financing them but do not have them yet. My guy is making up stories in his mind to beat China 😂
@@raptors9779 sorry it was FA-50 not F-16 and we bought it from South Korea
Pinoy loves to make up stories and brag while infact they have nothing to be proud of.
and 15 minutes later, your mom waked u up for breakfast
难绷，2024年还能看到这么经典的节目。F22连DSI都没有，你跟我谈雷达隐身性。
F-22A
The only way to find out a balance of power if the two Collide to each other !
also depends on where they collide. if its happening somewhere near chinese territory, it will become a fight between fighter jet and ballistic misseles rather than jet to jet
@@tedwong7037 yes very true . Range is very important in war
First
The F-22 is so advanced with a radar corss section of a honey bee we should make new more modern versions of it, at least a 1000 units.
The J-20 looks cooler than the F-22 IMO, though the F-22 is more iconic.
Why is this being compared to F-22 and not F-35? It would seem that F-35 is much more comparable in role and is actively being produced, unlike the F-22
the F35 is so unreliable, with so many reported accidents and crashes 🤣🤣