The CCP Sucks. So Does Banning TikTok. | Reason Roundtable | March 18, 2024
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- Опубліковано 16 чер 2024
- In this week's The Reason Roundtable, editors Matt Welch, Katherine Mangu-Ward, Nick Gillespie, and Peter Suderman weigh in on the approved House bill that could potentially usher in a ban on popular social media app TikTok in the United States.
00:00 - Legislation to ban TikTok
16:39 - California's continued high-speed rail boondoggle
33:48 - Weekly Listener Question
43:25 - Elon Musk launches Starship rocket
46:31 - This week's cultural recommendations
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The legislation being shit doesnt mean TikTok shouldnt be destroyed.
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F*ck that trash. I've never used it in my life but most people are too weak willed to stay away from it. Even if it wasn't malicious on purpose it's very format is designed to rot your attention span and turn you into a r*tard
Yup. Ban it
I wouldn't be opposed to banning tiktok, if it were a one off event. But it won't be, because the government can't help itself.
Something that is culturally suppressed is the fact that every one of these boondoggles has an army of experts testifying to the project's validity. My home state of West Virginia is giving $300 million (our state budget is less than $5 billion, btw) to a billionaire-backed megaproject that has yet to prove itself. It's a big scandal, but none of the state's press is concerned about the economics expert that gave false numbers in his feasibility report to lawmakers, that were in part provided by the company seeking the funds. I guess that journalists fear the liberal eyerolls they'll receive if they criticize public experts in any way.
Take A Moment
What happened to freedom of choice and speech?
Government continues on a slippery slope.
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Not a Government issue
Stay Safe
Stay Free
Actually it is a government issue & safety issue. The government has a responsibility to protect we citizens, not just from invaders and sleazy companies putting carcinogens in their products, but from ensuring our privacy is intact. Tik-Tok is an invasion of that privacy.
Read the bill, it only makes it harder to install Tic Tok.
Even with the "ban" you can still downloaded the APK and install the app and none of the API hooks are blocked and you will not be sent to jail.
If this violates the 1st Amendment then you need to learn about the 1st Amendment.
32:22 I'm going to make a Suderman cocktail to celebrate.
Sure, you can tell your child not to use Tik Tok. You will have no way to actually enforce that when the child can use someone else's device at school. IMO, free speech should be a right IN the US; i.e. right of free speech when speaking in the US, when any ability of public organizations to publish or moderate that speech is ENTIRELY WITHIN the US. It's a jurisdictional delineation. If the forum for the speech in question isn't entirely within the USA, as in the case of Tik Tok, I don't see any 1A argument if it's nationally banned. Foreign entities should not have a 1A right or interest within the US. I hope SCOTUS comes to this conclusion as well.
Yeah, the thing that always bugs me about the "free speech/association" arguments is based on two main flawed presumption:
1. If the corporation is owned or controlled by a foreign government, it really doesn't get the protections of the US Constitution.
2. The speech on social media isn't equal... At best, algorithms recommend socially destructive content based on popularity merely for profit; At worst, that socially destructive content is being boosted by a government adversary to destroy the US from within. Even in the best case, it really doesn't make the best case for defending social media.
That all being said, I don't know the solution... Even the best of intentioned government wouldn't likely handle a ban correctly... And the US government rarely has the best of intentions.
Katherine cracks the boys to man code.
Great episode!
It's really scary how many people believe that we should give the government the authority to ban apps
And it’s scarier to not notice when a foreign power has a gigantic influence over the population of your country.
And no. This is specifically targeted. That’s if you actually read the bill. And it doesn’t BAN the app, it just has to divest from China.
But regardless, If an app was designed at distribution of children “images”, should that be banned?
@@rebchizelbeak5392 We couldn't be farther apart on this issue. China shouldn't have to divest from the app. This legislation hurts the international free trade system. This ban is based on blind fear and xenophobia, plain and simple.
@@Justin_Beaver564nonsensical position. If England can't legally own a newspaper with a circulation of 50 people in the US (which they can't) then why can't we stop hostile foreign governments from owning what 20% of people claim to get their news from. Y'all are unserious. If you cannot fathom the national security issues with bad actors like China owning propaganda tools, there is no saving you from your naivety except how the congress is currently looking like they will.
@@Justin_Beaver564Do you believe that a foreign power should be able to carry out influence and spy operations as long as its disguised as social media?
@@Justin_Beaver564You are living a delusion if you think the Chinese government doesn’t have bad intentions towards the west.
California may be a population blinded the by delightful weather, the glamour of Hollywood and whatever third facet makes the model work
I do hope CA can learn something from the HSR project. Such a cluster....
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Why can't they build a railroad in CA? There are rails all over the world in all kinds of terrains. Plus there are high-speed rails all over the world too.
There are a ton of answers to that question. First, consider that the distance from LA to SF is about the same distance and drive time as from London to Edinburgh. Existing public transit will make the trip only 2 hours slower than driving. Flying will be cheaper and faster. So first off, the economics don't make sense.
Other reasons include: CEQA, a California environmental law that makes it easy to file lawsuits that take a lot of time and money to defend. Federal environmental law is similar. Some requirements demand only union labor or consideration of minority, female, or veteran owned businesses and small businesses over cost or expertise. Some funding is subject to "Buy American" rules that further increase costs. Politicians are determining the route instead of economics or practicality. There are mountains, flood plains, and protected lands (as well as large tracts of farm land) along the route, all of which have powerful constituencies that can use the CEQA to stop, delay, or change plans. Finally, the Cali government is infamously bloated creating massive bureaucracies to navigate, even for the government itself. There are many other reasons too! Hope this helps answer your question.
@@roybiv7018 Thanks for your answer!
Rumble has offered to buy Tik Tok.
Remember the Like!
Confab of the reason. I am not sure I can suffer this but. go!
Speaking as Floridian, Bright Line was backed by government guaranteed loans and geographically they are making questionable decisions regarding station additions that raise serious questions about the ethics of the organization. Stuart, Florida is a horrible location for a stop compared to Fort Pierce or Vero Beach.
The first two SpaceX launches do not end in a boom on accident. They exploded them on purpose so that they could learn.
The irony of someone with a last name like Mangu complaining about a difficult last name like Mnuchin 😅😅
No. Ban it!
20:00 Incorrect. Tunneling is not hard. Getting environmental approvals and above all securing the land easement is what is impossible in CA. The engineering is easy, its getting past the BNANAs that delays projects for decades.
If you don't want your teenager on TikTok just make sure they don't have access to it seems ... optimistic.
Surely the US can come up with a tik tok rival.
Surely you are a nationalist
Sure they can. And they have. But momentum is difficult to overcome. Better doesn’t always win in technology. VHS was not the better standard. USB-micro B is one of the worst designed inputs. Second only to USB A. But they still persist.
How many years of allowing a foreign power influencing children and elections is acceptable before that US one “may” take over?
They sent a personal DM to every single US user to try and influence US LEGISLATION.
That should concern you.
They did. They all failed.
Vines
If TikTok is banned yes there will be several all competing to take TikTok's place.
The thing no one wants to say about construction etc: unions are the reason they're ineffecient and too costly. And pensions from government jobs should be more similar to SS so tax dollars stop bailing them out.
31:03 Did Nick say "edifice complex?"
We are no better than the CCP if we start banning apps. We aren't a nanny/surveillance state. I agree with fighting for consumer transparency but the at worst/best you should do is inform the public that the app/site might be harvesting your data and to use it with caution.
Read the bill.
The "ban" still allows you to download the APK, install, and none of the API hooks are blocked.
My problem is, 'Why is "Reason" populated by 'conclusive people' that are certain?'.
It's not reasonable to be certain about anything.
@@hubrisnaut You can be certain when you have the knowledge and evidence to back your position.
For Pete’s sake, it’s not going to get a real ban. It’s a divest… it moves from one hand to another.
China shouldn't have to divest. This is the heavy hand of government interfering in the international free trade system.
@@Justin_Beaver564ccp
Exactly. It goings from being controlled by the CCP to an American company. Nothing is being banned.
TIL that Nick is Mike TV.
Ban Facebook and google.
I find tiktok to be somewhere between useless and obnoxious. But they aren't the worst - that belongs to the de-platformers, who despite no crime or threats detected on the part of various platform users, kick people into digital oblivion when government agencies whisper in their ear which ultimately becomes a defamation of sorts, fully devoid of due process - fascism in action. People trying to discuss science during covid circus experienced this multi level malfeasance, and... where to go for compensation: government, or the company allowing itself to be absorbed as a proxy for the workings of the executive branch with flagrant disregard for first amendment rights?
Hey don’t be bad mouthing the Grand Slam.
Nick Gillespie has the grace of a swan, the wisdom of an owl, and the eye of an eagle
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I find users of TikTok to be repugnant but banning apps for adult use is absurd. Liimiting access to minors is also a bit nanny state for me but I can swallow that. Certainly CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, Google, Facebook, Instagram, et al. are just as bad or worse propaganda machines. Using TikTok is voluntary. I don't use it. I don't know what problem banning TikTok will solve.
If you read the bill you'd find out!
TikTok is bad because the format is to UA-cam what crack cocaïne is to caffeine. The short videos.machine gunned at you completely destroy short term memory over time and can destroy your dopamine circuit. The people addicted to it are genuinely addicted watch them go 30 seconds without watching TikTok
Wonder you guys always talk about sell, sell tiktok is impossible.The chinese law forbid all Chinese company sell high or Key technology to others.Such as Battery technology，solar energy technology，algorithm.
I would not have guessed that ReasonTV was a comedy show. Very disappointed.
P band tik Tok
China does not own bike dance and TikTok is run by several different people that seemed to own it as well as some that are here in America ph need to sell it to an American company!
Hahahaha wtf are you smoking bruv I want some 💀
It's not reasonable to be certain about anything.
Reminder --- Schrödinger's Cat
Talk truth about jewees !