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Let's freaking go!!! This is the series I've been waiting for!!! PS: as a Sub Zero player myself, this is a W premiere!! Also, Underdawg, I love how you kept taking stabs at those people saying Sub is bad, awful, unusable, etc. That was hilarious!! Keep up the awesome work man!!!
Yeah I’ve been using sub since the game came out and he’s really not that bad, especially after his latest updates. His startup and recovery frames could use a tiny bit of work, but the fact that almost every string can cancel into a slide or ice Klone makes for some great high/low mixups and easy distancing.
@@rianepperson5094 all punishable btw slide is full combo punish and clone can be armored and your definitely not gonna win the game off overhead into slide mix up when most characters have over head lows into combos lol
I played smoke in season 1 and after getting the DA subzero at the beginning of season 2 I decided to give him a go. Upon realising how hard subzero is to play against smarter players I went to go back to Smoke just to find out that after playing subzero for 30 mins I completely forgot all my mix ups with smoke and had to get good with subzero. Winning with a low tier character is satisfying 😊
I usually main Smoke/Scorpion or Smoke/Cyrax but I’ve been switching it up a lot lately with Sub-Zero/Sonya which has been super fun. Definitely don’t sleep on the Sonya cameo when playing Sub because her move set really compliments a lot of Sub’s moves
Tournament player here, I have used most characters and I don't think Sub is good like your saying. He only gets that kind of damage with Kameos that don't make his Overhead or other moves safe like Sareena. Most top tiers are shitting out 40% meterless. He gets low damage with Lao, Goro, and Stryker which do make overhead safe but it doesn't make his: 12, 21, 122, 212, 34, B34, 44, F123 gaps safe. Nothing but Stryker grenades can make his poke into Clone safe. It's punishable by 90% of the cast on reaction and I have several videos on this. Offline his overhead is absolutely reactable at 24 frames startup. Every Top player has agreed with this. When 15+ characters have safe launching mix with every tool in the book and amazing dirt to boot. I don't think it's wild to ask for Subs: Clone to have +1.5 second of on screen activity and 5% damage buff so he can use a useful Kameo. I'd also like B2 to be -7 or -8 on block. Again he has a plethora of flaws still after these changes. He is a very high risk for low reward character every competitive player knows you have to save meter with Sub, he doesn't have top tier chip, no on block pressure to build meter like top half of cast. He needs that meter to break/last breath vs characters that delete 50% off every touch into 15% forced chip with resets, looping HTB setups that break armor and none of their tools in their gameplan are punishable unlike almost everything Sub does. If you do the one gapless string he has F12 which is -7 basically forcing Sub to block a 50/50 into plus frames into another 50/50 if he guesses right. It's not that Sub is unviable it's that his risk vs reward is very much not in his favor compared to Johnny, Ashrah, Baraka, Kenshi, Geras, Sindel who all ignore his Clone and toolset. Most can go through clone meterlessly and I have videos up on my YT channel. Kung Lao, Tanya, Ashrah(flash Parry) and Reptile all combo off Armor. Every character can punish Divekick on reaction with UpBlock/backdash wiff punish. Everything I'm talking about is Offline at tournaments that have the top players in the world. No way Sub makes Top 8 in a major because his risk vs reward is not viable to risk $1000 and travel expenses. Can he win small online tournaments yes he won 1 of them. That's Online where his B2 isn't reactable but stacked offline tournaments with top 40 ranked players know the matchup and can punish 80% of everything he does. Understand I started out with 7 other characters and recently picked him up and he is definitely not like the top half of the roster. If bottom tier in MK1 means nothing them why have A+ and A tier why not put them all in the same tier? Because there is a difference between Sub Zero and S+ characters. I want him to have a better gameplan and more options than runaway competitively like Clone pressure. Understand with my changes 80% of what he has is still punishable and his clone lasting one more second is still punishable on reaction. Nothing compared to Kenshi sandwich or Ashrah full screen lockdown or Johnny's low risk pressure where you get a poke if you guess wrong or 40% into 70% with hype he takes poke damage or 10% while you lose a bar and Johnny is back at it putting you in high risk situations for low reward.
His B2 can be special canceled into his slide for a 50/50 but if you want to get even more complex, Scorpion’s Forward assist is an overhead so you have a OH Low and OH decision. Aside from that, 21 is great at spacing opponents away, his air combos are great, air dive kick is great for extending combos, and both of his 34 strings are relatively safe on block.
I played Subby in S1 and my main problem was that in order to get the big sub damage people only showed him with overused kameos like Sareena and Cyrax. S2 i play Nitara/Goro and i love it
Teaching the Little Lady, who is a newbie, to play the game by using Sub Zero. Now the Quarter-Circle-Queen is spamming me and jamming me in the corner. Also Sub-Zero became a gateway drug for Sindel and Tanya and General Shao as they are quarter circle dominant! Also the Ice Clones quarter circle is slightly less "accessible" than for the freezes. MK Tom Brady says that was an early NERF.
I have been playing sub since launch even though he may be lower tier I still like playing him sooo much it dosent matter. Anyway thanks for always keeping me up to date on the MK news, very glad I came across your channel before this game came out.
Yeeeeeesssssss!!! Love these character breakdowns!!!!!!!! TUDG is the place for MK fans! Keep making videos my guy, literally go week to week waiting for the new one!!!
at first i felt like sub zeros moves were slow but they all synergize so well you end up not really noticing how slow they are once you get into a combo :p out of all the characters i played in tower he was the one i got the highest score with >.< and i've always kind of hated sub zero
Sub zero players are the easiest to deal with from my experience. Its usually just combo, ice clone bait, slow overhead, easy slide to avoid, unsafe buttons and bad neutral. I kinda feel bad but i don't because he's a bad guy now. I liked him when he was a good guy.
I be fuckin ppl up wit Sub-Zero and they be rage quitting. He irritates tf outta ppl solely because once he has you, he got you regardless of how low his damage level is 😂
His only problem is he needs a better mid they need to un nerf the scaling on deadly vapors and ice clone should be on screen for at least 0.8 more seconds other than that he just needs brain power to play hes not bad
The first part funny ash I like subzero gameplay but he has a point it’s slow and the only way u can get away with it is throw 90% of the next opponent recovery. And then if they get used to knowing wassup I say jump towards them and punch then tick damage hit then grab.
Wait I can spam grabs now? I know playing mk11 I would get cussed out and get called a scrub. Outside of that I'm glad the best series is back, love this content!
please, any sub-zero main, for the love of god, forget about EX deathly vapors, do NOT use it. 30% for one bar is atrocious. Sareena is my go-to(boo Sareena main, yeah, I know), 36% meterless with one kameo bar is still not that tasty but it's way better, with second bar it turns up to 41. use EX slide, dive kick, whatever, but NOT deathly vapors. it cuts the scaling tremendously also: you can convert b2 into a nasty mixup if blocked by combining it with the slide. ex with goro turns it into full launcher, but you have to do the slide immediately after the first swing hits, and on high ping it's basically a 50/50 for both you and your opponent also also: third spinal tap cuts the scaling as well
Why don't you show the rank your in? Sub zero is extremely predictable and I always beat him as a sub main my self. He has so much things wrong. Underdawg is an NRS balls licker, he sucks on them balls. So desparate to be in NRS good graces. Everyone but you says sub sucks and as a main, I know. His damage needs a small buff, ice clone needs the rest timer reduced, and his iceball is useless 99% of the time. In Ranked, your opponents will catch on to overhead then slide after 1 move.
Nrs did secretly buff Sub Zero.. But I still did a combo with him and one with meter just abit extended with a kameo(Frost) and somehow it did less damage than the one without meter like tf?? Isnt using meter supposed to extended the damage even more than the one without meter like the hell is this nrs??lol Its the same combo just one extended using meter
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Johnny cage !!!! And mention international love😅
YES! As a Subzero player, I still love using him!
I’m so glad you brought this back!
Pls do scorpion next
I’m just going to get it and ware it wherever. 😊❤
Sub zero: I’m too weak! Leave me here to die and find another main…
His mains: I will not leave you alone brother. You will always be my main!
That intro sequence is like one of the best you've done this whole year XD
@@bad.sniper.exe... That was SonicFox's tier list, different players
When kung Lao sucks?
Let's freaking go!!! This is the series I've been waiting for!!! PS: as a Sub Zero player myself, this is a W premiere!! Also, Underdawg, I love how you kept taking stabs at those people saying Sub is bad, awful, unusable, etc. That was hilarious!! Keep up the awesome work man!!!
Been playing Sub since i got the game, and the more I see him played the better he seems. It's just about knowing what to use to not scale hard
His damage isn't the problem at all it's his kit everything he does is unsafe or average
Yeah I’ve been using sub since the game came out and he’s really not that bad, especially after his latest updates. His startup and recovery frames could use a tiny bit of work, but the fact that almost every string can cancel into a slide or ice Klone makes for some great high/low mixups and easy distancing.
I think I should say, I never said sub was bad in this comment
@@rianepperson5094 all punishable btw slide is full combo punish and clone can be armored and your definitely not gonna win the game off overhead into slide mix up when most characters have over head lows into combos lol
I played smoke in season 1 and after getting the DA subzero at the beginning of season 2 I decided to give him a go. Upon realising how hard subzero is to play against smarter players I went to go back to Smoke just to find out that after playing subzero for 30 mins I completely forgot all my mix ups with smoke and had to get good with subzero. Winning with a low tier character is satisfying 😊
"low tier" lol
yeah?@@godobb
I usually main Smoke/Scorpion or Smoke/Cyrax but I’ve been switching it up a lot lately with Sub-Zero/Sonya which has been super fun. Definitely don’t sleep on the Sonya cameo when playing Sub because her move set really compliments a lot of Sub’s moves
True: Sub can get 40% 1 bar and 48% in corner.
Pretty sure Sareena and Cyrax are his only way of getting good damage.
As a reptile main in need for therapy, I say - Reptile
Tournament player here, I have used most characters and I don't think Sub is good like your saying. He only gets that kind of damage with Kameos that don't make his Overhead or other moves safe like Sareena.
Most top tiers are shitting out 40% meterless.
He gets low damage with Lao, Goro, and Stryker which do make overhead safe but it doesn't make his:
12, 21, 122, 212, 34, B34, 44, F123 gaps safe.
Nothing but Stryker grenades can make his poke into Clone safe. It's punishable by 90% of the cast on reaction and I have several videos on this. Offline his overhead is absolutely reactable at 24 frames startup.
Every Top player has agreed with this.
When 15+ characters have safe launching mix with every tool in the book and amazing dirt to boot. I don't think it's wild to ask for Subs:
Clone to have +1.5 second of on screen activity and 5% damage buff so he can use a useful Kameo.
I'd also like B2 to be -7 or -8 on block. Again he has a plethora of flaws still after these changes.
He is a very high risk for low reward character every competitive player knows you have to save meter with Sub, he doesn't have top tier chip, no on block pressure to build meter like top half of cast. He needs that meter to break/last breath vs characters that delete 50% off every touch into 15% forced chip with resets, looping HTB setups that break armor and none of their tools in their gameplan are punishable unlike almost everything Sub does. If you do the one gapless string he has F12 which is -7 basically forcing Sub to block a 50/50 into plus frames into another 50/50 if he guesses right.
It's not that Sub is unviable it's that his risk vs reward is very much not in his favor compared to Johnny, Ashrah, Baraka, Kenshi, Geras, Sindel who all ignore his Clone and toolset.
Most can go through clone meterlessly and I have videos up on my YT channel.
Kung Lao, Tanya, Ashrah(flash Parry) and Reptile all combo off Armor.
Every character can punish Divekick on reaction with UpBlock/backdash wiff punish.
Everything I'm talking about is Offline at tournaments that have the top players in the world. No way Sub makes Top 8 in a major because his risk vs reward is not viable to risk $1000 and travel expenses.
Can he win small online tournaments yes he won 1 of them. That's Online where his B2 isn't reactable but stacked offline tournaments with top 40 ranked players know the matchup and can punish 80% of everything he does.
Understand I started out with 7 other characters and recently picked him up and he is definitely not like the top half of the roster.
If bottom tier in MK1 means nothing them why have A+ and A tier why not put them all in the same tier? Because there is a difference between Sub Zero and S+ characters.
I want him to have a better gameplan and more options than runaway competitively like Clone pressure. Understand with my changes 80% of what he has is still punishable and his clone lasting one more second is still punishable on reaction. Nothing compared to Kenshi sandwich or Ashrah full screen lockdown or Johnny's low risk pressure where you get a poke if you guess wrong or 40% into 70% with hype he takes poke damage or 10% while you lose a bar and Johnny is back at it putting you in high risk situations for low reward.
How did he get MK Tom Brady's inner monologue at the start of the video though???
Yay! I've wanted you to restart this series ever sense the game was released. I still feel attacked though 😂
Since*
I'm a Sub-zero main and idc that he's bad and don't agree with most complaints, I just enjoy playing him
His B2 can be special canceled into his slide for a 50/50 but if you want to get even more complex, Scorpion’s Forward assist is an overhead so you have a OH Low and OH decision. Aside from that, 21 is great at spacing opponents away, his air combos are great, air dive kick is great for extending combos, and both of his 34 strings are relatively safe on block.
Unless you have a Kameo with a overhead it’s not a 50/50
@@Scared146 I mean 212 and 122 both end on an overhead so there’s that
It’s not a 50 50. Second hit is a high
I played Subby in S1 and my main problem was that in order to get the big sub damage people only showed him with overused kameos like Sareena and Cyrax.
S2 i play Nitara/Goro and i love it
Season 2 I played sub but I’m done with kl just been doing kasual with nitara tremor. Can do 50 to 70 percent combos
I like how everyones gameplay with sub zero is always them playing against garbage players lol ☠️☠️
Bro talking about loyalty and sub zero like he didn't let his dad die in this timeline
I NEED to see a Reptile or Omni Man focused video of this series! 😂
6:36 “the lag gave me all day to see that overhead”
…still gets hit
yep this should distract them from that embarrassing last video lol
Honestly , thanks for the video . As a new player and a sub main , I always try to learn new stuff from tournaments or videos , so yeah . Thanks a lot
How can his ice clone make his overhead safe
That intro was funny gotta give it to you lol
Sub-Zero mains, assemble!
So glad that this series is back
How long time you waited to find these scrub opponents to "prove" your points? 😂
It's nice to being back these series. Thanks
“If your character is low tier, throw all the time” true
FINALLY these kind of videos return 😂 they’re so funny
Easy wins in the Warrior tier, but I want to see you connect those dumb-ass overheads and ice clone without being punished in Demi-god and above
I love the creative combos with subzero in this game
Awesome to actually see UnderDawg Manor in the ad read
Teaching the Little Lady, who is a newbie, to play the game by using Sub Zero. Now the Quarter-Circle-Queen is spamming me and jamming me in the corner. Also Sub-Zero became a gateway drug for Sindel and Tanya and General Shao as they are quarter circle dominant! Also the Ice Clones quarter circle is slightly less "accessible" than for the freezes. MK Tom Brady says that was an early NERF.
I have been playing sub since launch even though he may be lower tier I still like playing him sooo much it dosent matter. Anyway thanks for always keeping me up to date on the MK news, very glad I came across your channel before this game came out.
How do you do the 40 and 50% kombos you talk about in the begining?
Inside the mind of an mk1 subzero main there is only pain and suffering...
I would know.
Yeeeeeesssssss!!! Love these character breakdowns!!!!!!!! TUDG is the place for MK fans! Keep making videos my guy, literally go week to week waiting for the new one!!!
3:57 is this your house trueunderdawg 😳
1:42 the second option is fake😭😭😭
I am sooooo ready for this series again!
Inside the mind of the safest character, the he who shall poke forever, the one who ranked players and tourneys fear, JOHNNY CAGE
Don't forget his slide, that mf comes out so fast, it's like johnny's kick except it ducks projectiles
It's slow as hell, what you mean?
@@grandmasterblueberryice4882 It's fast enough to punish a lot of stuff at like mid range
@@thenootduckthats just plain wrong
I love playing against Sub online. Sub mains are so predictable 😂
Cannot wait to see inside the mind of Omni man I wonder what that bro is thinking
Ah yes, the series is back, thank the Elder Gods above. (btw my Bday so i guess this kinda a gift)
I feel that same loyalty for Scorpion and he’s arguably worse 😭
can't wait for inside the mind of quan chi
at first i felt like sub zeros moves were slow but they all synergize so well you end up not really noticing how slow they are once you get into a combo :p out of all the characters i played in tower he was the one i got the highest score with >.< and i've always kind of hated sub zero
YES THIS SERIES IS BACK!!!
*SHOTS FIRED* IYKYK HIT THE DECK!!! LMAOOOOO
Do nitara next please...I'm a nitara main and my complaints are equally as invalid....
Thanks for keeping the sub zero alive
I feel so called out by the intro
Me too.
I saw the title and screamed!! This is my fave mk series
SAME
Mine too. I sometimes go back to the old ones.
@@Lance.Gardenhire I can't wait til he does ashrah lol
@@TheDucky101 wonder what he gonna say about all the safety she has LOL.
@@Lance.Gardenhire definitely her light beam lol
Sub zero players are the easiest to deal with from my experience. Its usually just combo, ice clone bait, slow overhead, easy slide to avoid, unsafe buttons and bad neutral. I kinda feel bad but i don't because he's a bad guy now. I liked him when he was a good guy.
I loved this series!!!!
11:46 that voice crack tho
Im watching at work and towards the end of the sponsorship segment i looked up and thought you were wearing a du-rag 😂😂😂
Im a Sub-Zero player. And sticking with him forever.
As a sub-zero player, I always knew sub zero had potential, and people were complaining for no reason
Naw bro.
Its for a very good reason.
Every instance in this video is staged. Not a single one works IRL
Sick video! Can't wait for the Li Mei video one day
He is just missing the ice cream stall
Can we finish the MK11 ones though
I be fuckin ppl up wit Sub-Zero and they be rage quitting. He irritates tf outta ppl solely because once he has you, he got you regardless of how low his damage level is 😂
I like your vibe bro keep up the good work 😊
Whooo I love this series!!
His only problem is he needs a better mid they need to un nerf the scaling on deadly vapors and ice clone should be on screen for at least 0.8 more seconds other than that he just needs brain power to play hes not bad
The first part funny ash I like subzero gameplay but he has a point it’s slow and the only way u can get away with it is throw 90% of the next opponent recovery. And then if they get used to knowing wassup I say jump towards them and punch then tick damage hit then grab.
I missed this series.
Seeing this video helped me get some subzero kombos due to you saying what you were doing thx 🙂👍
Scorpion 🦂 next please 🙏🏻 Let's Go TrueUnderDawg!!!!!!! 👊🏻🎮🐉🦂🦂🦂✌🏻
Love the series. Do Tanya next!
Wait I can spam grabs now? I know playing mk11 I would get cussed out and get called a scrub. Outside of that I'm glad the best series is back, love this content!
wanna run a FT10 vs my subzero?!
Inside the mind of a Reiko player.
I think subzero with sektor is a top tier character
YES ITS BACK!
He is kinda like scorpion and le mei in this game he needs a solid kamel to win games
Brother do more Videos like that with Sub Zero Just a bit. It was really helpful. I was fan of Bi Han since mythologies
johnny cage players would be crazy
look at that almost 30% lmao 😂😂
Love the call out!
as a smoke main i need to see smoke
Can’t wait for Li Mei ! 😭
you gotta do havik next,love to see the series return
Yo so glad this is back.
Gotta do smoke but guest of sareena.
please, any sub-zero main, for the love of god, forget about EX deathly vapors, do NOT use it. 30% for one bar is atrocious. Sareena is my go-to(boo Sareena main, yeah, I know), 36% meterless with one kameo bar is still not that tasty but it's way better, with second bar it turns up to 41. use EX slide, dive kick, whatever, but NOT deathly vapors. it cuts the scaling tremendously
also: you can convert b2 into a nasty mixup if blocked by combining it with the slide. ex with goro turns it into full launcher, but you have to do the slide immediately after the first swing hits, and on high ping it's basically a 50/50 for both you and your opponent
also also: third spinal tap cuts the scaling as well
This is pure Gold 😂😂😂
Finally some matches 👍👍
Spam buttons to do more damage in fatal blow
Why don't you show the rank your in? Sub zero is extremely predictable and I always beat him as a sub main my self. He has so much things wrong. Underdawg is an NRS balls licker, he sucks on them balls. So desparate to be in NRS good graces. Everyone but you says sub sucks and as a main, I know. His damage needs a small buff, ice clone needs the rest timer reduced, and his iceball is useless 99% of the time. In Ranked, your opponents will catch on to overhead then slide after 1 move.
Hay Sukander555 Using sub zero online Makes him look really good
Well since you mention us… how about inside the mind of a Mileena player :3😂😅
My Invasion main is Smoke
Watch out😂
Bro imma dive kick master 🥶
I should be able to freeze you multiple times with my ice clone, especially if I didn’t start with EX
I feel like the ice clone registration is weirdly strict but Baraka can use the force and grab me when he shouldn’t with his EX blades.
I appreciate the callout of how whiny & annoying sub-zero players are.
Nrs did secretly buff Sub Zero.. But I still did a combo with him and one with meter just abit extended with a kameo(Frost) and somehow it did less damage than the one without meter like tf?? Isnt using meter supposed to extended the damage even more than the one without meter like the hell is this nrs??lol
Its the same combo just one extended using meter
Let’s bring Raiden up next.
Could be like baraka and be completely gutted and thrown back to irrelevant status simply because he was finally good after 20 years...