Thumbs up! martinrichard237. It sounds more effective than my old standby, melatonin, and certainly less addictive. Who would have thunk that a music review would lead to a solution to fitful sleep? ( There are those who thought a performance by Knappertsbusch sounded like a threnody for a dead sloth). Many thanks
An aside about the Wagner Siegfried-Idyll; as conducted by Glenn Gould with members of the Toronto Symphony, it lasts over 24 minutes... Staggerly slow, yes, but exquisitely beautiful as well.
Saw CELI once when his Munich band was touring . In Chicago. The audience was mostly pasty faced, nerdy men who still lived at home. The Bruckner lovers. They were in heaven. They went nuts. I didn't. The springs were very loud. The rest- not awful not great. He tricked the world. It was an " emperor 's new clothes situation". Ignored by critic's . Worshipped by his cult. Thank you Dave, for your bravery.
@ColinWrubleski-eq5sh ok you Grammer, spelling,typo beyotch! I wont correct it, lest your comment lose credibility. Can't belief it took this long for someone to catch it!
@@jefolson6989 : Excuse me, good sir / madam, but i am NOT a beyotch, being of the masculine persuasion.^^ Granted, on occasion i can be a grammAR / spelling pedant^^ (having taught ESL [and music] in Asia for many years), but in my initial comment i honestly did not know what you meant, and was legitimately asking for clarification... Gentle wit, but no sarcasm, intended~. In retrospect, it seems obvious now that you meant "strings", not "springs", but on first reading your sentence seemed surreal and without context. Hehehe. Which reminds me... Q. How many surrealists does it take to change a light bulb? A. Robot fish. And at risk of opening a whole new can of worms... Q. How many sopranos does it take to change a lightbulb? A. #1. Only one. She stands still and holds the lightbulb, and the world revolves around her. A. #2. Three. Soprano #1 attempts to change the lightbulb, Soprano #2 kicks the ladder out from under Soprano #1, and Soprano #3 makes snarky comments while watching the chaos, saying that neither one of them should have tried to reach that high... P.S.: Public service announcement---> The website for the musicians of the New Zealand S.O. has at least three pages of musicians' jokes. A lot of them are real riots. And since "Dr. Dave" seemingly knows Leif Segerstam personally, Uncle Dave should check out the page of Segerstam's highly idiosyncratic wielding of the English language. Quite the source of mirth. P.P.S.: Yes, irony of ironies, i spelled 'mattress' incorrectly in my initial post... Time to invoke the Chinese proverb: "Happy the man who can laugh at himself. He shall never cease to be entertained." (^-_-^)
It's hard for me to believe that at one point Celibidache was in the running to be the principal conductor of the Berlin Philarmonic. Man did we ever dodge a bullet there.
The boxed sets within boxes should be some type of Russian doll. I was ROTFL at “blessed are the dead, and they are staying dead.” Thanks for the review!
Dave, I was surprised the Celibidache discs include intro and final applause. I am now convinced that is to try to prove us to people really applauded his stuff.
Try the Ancerl/CPO (in the recently-issued Supraphon box of Ancerl's live broadcast recordings). And - if you can brave the raw sound - crank up the volume. It's nearly terrifying in its intensity.
In a video on UA-cam somewhere, Celibidache mentions that he has a guru. Maybe that explains some of the weirdness. Perhaps he wanted to emulate the guru and the guru mentality rubbed off on him. He appears terribly condescending, to orchestras and choirs. His slow tempi are, as you said, often illuminating. At best they're pedagogical. But the pedagogy should have stayed in the classroom, or the rehearsal hall and not carried over into the performances.
It always seems the Soviet recording technology is breathtakingly inferior. Kondrashin somehow managed to maneuver his way around it with superb musicality; even so, he would have been that much more important were it not for the troublingly bad Russian radio
Great chat- the shelves behind you look amazing.
David, regarding Celibidache.... 1. There are those who want performances to last a lifetime. 2. There are those who need a cure for their insomnia.
Now that you put it in perspective, he may have some practical uses afterall. His CDs man excellent coasters!
Man, your critic friend so set you up with that producer. Haha. Funny story.
I do not need melatonine to sleep when I listen to Celibidache.
Thumbs up! martinrichard237. It sounds more effective than my old standby, melatonin, and certainly less addictive.
Who would have thunk that a music review would lead to a solution to fitful sleep? ( There are those who thought a performance by Knappertsbusch sounded like a threnody for a dead sloth).
Many thanks
An aside about the Wagner Siegfried-Idyll; as conducted by Glenn Gould with members of the Toronto Symphony, it lasts over 24 minutes... Staggerly slow, yes, but exquisitely beautiful as well.
Torture, plain and simple.
Is the Latvian Radio Archive available as a CD(CDs, I would expect)? If so, I would love to see a review.
Saw CELI once when his Munich band was touring . In Chicago. The audience was mostly pasty faced, nerdy men who still lived at home. The Bruckner lovers. They were in heaven. They went nuts. I didn't. The springs were very loud. The rest- not awful not great. He tricked the world. It was an " emperor 's new clothes situation". Ignored by critic's . Worshipped by his cult. Thank you Dave, for your bravery.
"The springs were very loud".-??? Springs of water? Springs on a matress? Leaf springs on an automotive axle?
Do please clarify...^^
@ColinWrubleski-eq5sh ok you Grammer, spelling,typo beyotch! I wont correct it, lest your comment lose credibility. Can't belief it took this long for someone to catch it!
@@jefolson6989 : Excuse me, good sir / madam, but i am NOT a beyotch, being of the masculine persuasion.^^ Granted, on occasion i can be a grammAR / spelling pedant^^ (having taught ESL [and music] in Asia for many years), but in my initial comment i honestly did not know what you meant, and was legitimately asking for clarification... Gentle wit, but no sarcasm, intended~. In retrospect, it seems obvious now that you meant "strings", not "springs", but on first reading your sentence seemed surreal and without context. Hehehe.
Which reminds me...
Q. How many surrealists does it take to change a light bulb?
A. Robot fish.
And at risk of opening a whole new can of worms...
Q. How many sopranos does it take to change a lightbulb?
A. #1. Only one. She stands still and holds the lightbulb, and the world revolves around her.
A. #2. Three. Soprano #1 attempts to change the lightbulb, Soprano #2 kicks the ladder out from under Soprano #1, and Soprano #3 makes snarky comments while watching the chaos, saying that neither one of them should have tried to reach that high...
P.S.: Public service announcement---> The website for the musicians of the New Zealand S.O. has at least three pages of musicians' jokes. A lot of them are real riots. And since "Dr. Dave" seemingly knows Leif Segerstam personally,
Uncle Dave should check out the page of Segerstam's highly idiosyncratic wielding of the English language. Quite the source of mirth.
P.P.S.: Yes, irony of ironies, i spelled 'mattress' incorrectly in my initial post...
Time to invoke the Chinese proverb: "Happy the man who can laugh at himself. He shall never cease to be entertained."
(^-_-^)
It's hard for me to believe that at one point Celibidache was in the running to be the principal conductor of the Berlin Philarmonic. Man did we ever dodge a bullet there.
The boxed sets within boxes should be some type of Russian doll. I was ROTFL at “blessed are the dead, and they are staying dead.” Thanks for the review!
Dave, I was surprised the Celibidache discs include intro and final applause. I am now convinced that is to try to prove us to people really applauded his stuff.
I have listened to many many Dvorak 7s and none of them blazes with the intensity and ferocity of Szell/Cleveland!
Try the Ancerl/CPO (in the recently-issued Supraphon box of Ancerl's live broadcast recordings). And - if you can brave the raw sound - crank up the volume. It's nearly terrifying in its intensity.
DO NOT forget Lennies fantastic performance with NYPHIL…
@@adastra1351 Agreed, but Szell is still my favorite.
@@richardfrankel6102 Thanks! Will do!
Celibidache is only tolerable in Bruckner. These two combined should theoretically produce the essence of slog but somehow it's quite decent.
As one wag violist once snarked...."I dreamed I was playing a Bruckner Symphony and I woke up and I was!".........
In a video on UA-cam somewhere, Celibidache mentions that he has a guru. Maybe that explains some of the weirdness. Perhaps he wanted to emulate the guru and the guru mentality rubbed off on him. He appears terribly condescending, to orchestras and choirs. His slow tempi are, as you said, often illuminating. At best they're pedagogical. But the pedagogy should have stayed in the classroom, or the rehearsal hall and not carried over into the performances.
You are too much gentle with Celibidache! I've heard Mozart's and Verdi's Requiem....among the terrible most things l have ever heard!
It always seems the Soviet recording technology is breathtakingly inferior. Kondrashin somehow managed to maneuver his way around it with superb musicality; even so, he would have been that much more important were it not for the troublingly bad Russian radio
Szell > everybody else
Ok, fine: Szell and Mackerras > everybody else