Star Trek Lower Decks 4.06 "Parth Ferengi's Heart Place"
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- Опубліковано 17 жов 2024
- Star Trek Lower Decks visit Ferenginar... so better brush up on your rules of aquisition!
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I love the War Memorial of Profit. That was probably the most Ferengi thing ever.
Just rewatching an old British miniseries in which some WWI vets do not want a stone memorial, esp one paid for by a war profiteer. The whole thing about war memorials is fascinating, and that bit was a great take. Helluva complicated subject irl.
"Cop Landlords" is going to make me chuckle for months. So perfectly Ferengi. Was hoping for more Darkplace references, but I'll settle for one good one in the title XD
My biggest laughs of the episode: Tendi calling Rutherford her "skunk muffin" and Dr. Migleemo saying "You don't have to throw up in my mouth twice" in response to a tempting offer.
I like the fact that they're exploring the worlds of legacy Trek aliens like Orion's and Ferengi, it gives us something fresh at the same time filling holes in the canon.
I loved the Rutherford & Tendi storyline. To me they are soulmates, whether their relationship remains platonic or becomes romantic. I’m glad this was a humorous portrayal and there was no hint of any unrequited feelings. Both were equally as loving and awkward towards each other.
Some young couples who are very in love feel uncomfortable because society expects them to act a certain way. I got That vibe from the two of them.
They’ll get together when they get together why rush it
Ruthy admitted to being attracted to her in an episode. He screamed about wanting to impress her, and how cute she is.
I'm not an expert, as I don't identify as being on the ace/aro spectrum-and I'd love to hear from someone who has more direct knowledge or experience, but it seems like the two of them are the (WebMD) definition of demiromantic:
"Demiromantic people can feel sexual attraction to others, but they only experience romantic feelings for people with whom they have a deep connection, which might take years to develop."
@@GSBarlev ace-spec myself, but not demi. My take given that Rutherford was dating Barnes for at least a little bit in earlier seasons and some comments made referring to Tendi's past in "Something Borrowed, Something Green" is that neither of them is necessarily Ace, they simply have a really deep friendship and just don't feel the need to move beyond that. They're both science nerds that love geeking out at each others' interests and have each others' backs no matter what. Rutherford and Tendi are ride-or-die BFFs, and that's just where they want to be right now. It's certainly POSSIBLE that things may change in the future, but as it is romance would just make things weird between them at this point.
Also, only semi-related, but I totally read Boimler as Ace, if not totally somewhere one the Aro-spec as well. Yeah there was the whole "romance subplot" in Crisis Point II, but given how quickly he dropped it was willing to accept Nik-Nak I get the feeling that was just him playing a part. There's also Lieutenant Brinson from season 1, but we can chalk that up to the love parasite. Otherwise his fantasies have been shown to be completely non-sexual and he's even gotten annoyed by attractive women throwing themselves at him (JUST SPRAY OFF WITH THE HOSE, LIAN!!).
@@TerLoki Or also discover the fact that because they become lovers they won´t stop being BFFs, honestly something that happens is that we put different categories to friendship and romance, tending to be much more selective with romance and much more open with friendship, and give ourselves the impression that once a relationship becomes romantic it can no longer be friendship or if the romance is broken the friendship is also destroyed, which is false in my opinion.
It is obvious that both Tendy and Rutherford are attracted to each other and love each other very much, but they are also afraid of losing what they already have if they decide to "officiate" their relationship as romantic, because they really value their friendship and what they have. now.
I'm not against it if their relationship never becomes romantic or sexual, but I would be sorry if they never dared to explore that aspect simply for fear of ruining what they already have when it's obvious that they love each other very much
Captain Freeman's smooth move at the end of the episode made me gasp. It's easy to think of the Federation's post-scarcity situation as always in the position of power and abundance, but the admiral in the episode shows how that mindset can also turn your resources, time, and even dignity into trivial throwaways. Only by saying, hey. There is something we as a culture are not powerful enough to get. If you want everything you ever could wish for from us, you better deliver the same in return, THIS is what we value THAT much, and we're willing to go THIS hard to get it, could common ground be established.
YES!
The Dominion War memorial is subtly interesting because it shows a shift from war profiteering in the past (think Cousin Gaila), to emphasizing the loss wars create in the greater scales of economies. Very fitting for a Ferenginar in Rom's era.
And that’s why it works so effectively. Rom makes such a great Grand Nagus because he understands how to reach his people on their level. He knows he HAS to make it about profit and so, the War Memorial tallying up the lost profits of the dead, driving a point clear…a dead Ferengi makes no profit…
One of the funniest things for me was how they still made all the ferengi sound like they’re talking through fake teeth even in voice over
Considering quark's actor wore his to do VO, I wouldn't be surprised if they actually were
Just a tweak on the Ferengi Dominion War Memorial. It was a list of Ferengi lost but it also showed their income. Which is the lost income the Ferengi was crying about.
I thought it was just a memorial to lost profit. Like it’s a memorial to people who died in debt and not to the Ferangi lost during the dominion war.
One thing that’s nice to see on Ferenginar is that Rom and Lyta’s reforms are accommodating of more traditional Ferengi values. Sure females are allowed outside of the home, but there’s at least one woman at the restaurant who is still naked, so Rom isn’t forcing them to wear clothing. I think that’s swell. :P ;)
I’ll liken it to the discussion the other day about the background characters on LD who wear the hijab or turban. Even in situations when religious and cultural restrictions on clothing and dress have historically been (or currently are) tools of oppression, outright bans on specific garb can have their own problems.
Agreed. Which is why I disagree with the French ban on hijabs. Seems to be more driven by xenophobia than "liberation."
Wow! I hadn't even noticed that! Great point!!
It was nice to see Quimp again. He's such a decent guy.
This episode did something ive been asking for the show to do for a while and thats introduce some big lore thing pushing the universe forward. It was nice to see the opening process of Ferenginar joining the Federation and their society changing with the times.
It also did something else i love seeing the show do more, show that Freeman is actually great at diplomacy. Its actually the most consistent trait of her captaincy in the show
I LOVED this moment for Freeman. When the first season started I was not sure what to make of her character (definitely a departure from old school trek for a captain in terms of her style) but honestly now I think if I were a Star Fleet Captain I would likely be way more like her than any other trek captain ha ha. She is smart, driven and always doing the best she can - she just always gets dealt a bad hand (which makes it funny!). I didn't make that connection about her diplomacy though till you pointed it out and.... of all the species we have seen our beloved Trek captains single handedly bring into the fold of the federation she got the darn Ferengi to join - that is impressive :-D
Tendi and Rutherford are so wholesome. I also like how the Ferengi would stop at nothing to prevent getting swindled out of a discount. Those newlywed games were absurd, but they were also entertaining. In addition to that, Freeman displayed her shrewdness by beating the Ferengi at their own game was funny. Essentially using the Rules of Acquisition to stop Rom and Leeta’s drawn out terms and conditions.
Cherry on top was how much they appreciated her! Randomly reminded me of famous touring bands asking for weird stuff in their contracts to make sure people were reading the fine print about safety.
Between this episode and the Orion episode, I'm glad Lower Decks is giving us snapshots of other worlds. Now I really want them to visit Denobula to make good on Enterprise. (Or Andoria. I love Andoria.)
"Just go limp, dont fight them." at the end, cracked me up.
Let us for a moment appreciate the Easter Egg with self-sealing stem bolts. 😊🖖
God, ST:DS9 already made a whole episode on this, but I will never get tired of this joke. Every series needs at least one of them, or are you even making a Star Trek?
Boimler's scream at the end was one of JQ's best XD
So fun fact about that rule of acquisition said in this episode. Not only is it the first new rule weve gotten in quite some time since ENT, its another example of apocryphal beta canon becoming official; its lifted word for word from a 1995 real world reference book of the rules.
The cuts in this show run so deep I must be missing hundreds - this included! Thanks for calling that out :)
It makes me happy that Rom and Leeta are still together
This was such a brilliant fun episode. Every part of it was funny as well as interesting. I especially loved Tendy and Rutherford pretending to be married. Everyone can see that it is exactly what they should be, except them. Great to see the returning Grand Nagus and his wife.
There were a few naked women in the “Starfleet experience” if you look in the background. There was carefully placed table settings or chairs or just the way that they cross their legs and have their arm but they were definitely naked women there!
Thank you for showing the clip of Nog, that and this entire episode makes me miss him, may Aron Eisenberg rest in peace. Rom is so progressive that he hired a female Hupyrian as his bodyguard (I assumed that she is a bodyguard).
Bodyguard, Valet, Secretary.
Thought about Nog too… 🤗
My favorite Moment in this episode was Rutherford and Tendi blushing. I think they never before did in the show.😊😊😊
This may actually be my favourite Lower Decks episode yet. I love how many expectations and cliché were subverted or otherwise played with in this one.
I like how how they sorta slowly ramp up Rom's dumbness in that first negotiation scene so that, as a fan of DS9 you go from 'Oh loveable, somewhat dim Rom, I've missed you' to 'Oh no... Are they trying to exaggerate Rom for laughs? Lower Decks no, you were doing so well!' to 'Huh. Are they doing a thing where Leeta is the power behind the throne? Or... Wait, waaaaaait, are they...?' to 'Oh my goodness, yes they are! Rom and Leeta are working as a team and having fun with it. This is great!'
I like everything surrounding Rutherford and Tendi, because in a lesser, more cliché show they would end up together. Or end up realising that they don't want to be together. But not in Lower Decks, because Lower Decks is the most realistic Star Trek show and therefore, like in real life, they're not going to make that kind of decision based on one singular incident. And I enjoyed Rutherford's 'I love you too' and the awkwardness after, because that statement was very direct, is very obviously a truth Rutherford blurts out in the moment and yet very much doesn't answer the question 'Is the obvious chemistry between Rutherford and Tendi just platonic or not?'
Also if you read Tendi as trans, the fact that she talks about being comfortable walking around without covering her top around her (hypothetical) husband has a whole additional layer of subtext.
Everything surrounding Mariner is good, I loved seeing Quimp again. It was funny at the right times and serious at the right times and it moved her personal arc forward in a meaningful way.
But also... Ransom checking up on Boimler at the end! 😍I love how the first thing he asks is whether Boimler overworked himself like he planned and whether he needs help... And how the last words of the episode are him saying 'I like that lieutenant'. Especially since I noticed earlier in the episode that Bradford is very insistent on referring to himself as a Junior Lieutenant, emphasising the _Junior_ . But Ransom consistently refers to him as just Lieutenant Boimler.
Rom and Leeta have been my favorite use of previous characters in Lower Decks to date. It feels like more than a cameo, i like having previous characters framed as antagonists, lower decks seems to give more latitude to antagonists than to single episode allies.
In this case, Grand Nagus Rom still gets to be the true friend of the Federation that he has been for so long, while also putting their representatives to the test to ensure the best outcome for his people…doing so in the most Ferengi way possible, by seeing how much he could scam them. Capt. Freeman out-scamming Grand Nagus Rom so effortlessly tells him everything he needs to know, that yes, the Federation CAN be trusted to respect his people and their values, even though they run counter to the UFP’s own stated values. Ferenginar can remain as it is, wholly and completely capitalistic by nature, and also enjoy the protections provided by being a UFP member world. That’s why it seals the deal so effectively…👍🏻😁
I really love how this episode display that Mariner does have a issue that she needs to deal with.
Agreed.
The Ferengi captain in the opener was named Gem, but he was not truly outrageous.
No, he truly, truly, truly was not outrageous.
I was insufficiently outraged by him.
But might he be a misfit?
Ferenginar as a Cyberpunk aesthetic is great, and Tom Kenny is always a treat.
I'm an ace in a loving but non-romantic relationship with a pansexual.
We gave being a more traditional couple a good try for several years (we're both middle-aged, so we had a few lingering assumptions), but it was always very awkward and ill-fitting.
That shot of Tendi and Rutherford tight in that hatch, all tangled in each other, in their naturally nerdy dynamic and fulfilled by that made me happy.
Unicorns and dragons.
I think we really need a Mariner/Miglemo episode. Where Becket finally decides to do some introspection after being called out for her self destructive behavior twice this season. Plus it might be fun to see Miglemo be good at his job. All we really have seen from him is food analogies and him being a bad mentor to Tendi. It would be fun to have an episode where we see "OH! he's actually good at this!"
If this were TNG era I'd imagine a bottle episode where they're stuck together somewhere and have a proper informal conversation that helps her put her behavior in context since I don't think Mariner would do well with traditional talk therapy.
Yeah, I would genuinely love to see this. Also, the Cerritos' top officers coming across as parodical, silly and incompetent until you see just WHY they're really in that position is a running theme in the show, and it's high time Meeglimo gets that too.
That, or maybe she could get help from Shaxs' "program"?
Favorite line: "You don't have to throw up in my mouth twice!" It got a good guffaw out of me.
I have to admit, I prefer Tendi and Rutherford as deeply close but platonic friends, because I don't think we see that portrayed all that much. That said, with all the blushing they did, I wonder if the writers are setting up a romantic connection for them later.
I *really* like Captain Freeman in this episode, and of course LOVED having Rom and Leeta back
❤
I think the Mariner stuff was good (the lead up to the bar fight was funny) but I thought she'd sort of gotten past that by now. It felt like a little step back to me. Maybe I should look at it like, "growth takes time".
The Boimler bits were short but great.
I personally read Tendi and Rutherford as queer platonic so this episode really fed that reading for me haha. I liked the fact we were basically doing a straight up fan fic trope of the pretending to be a couple scenario but it didn't lead to them actually becoming a (romantic) couple in the end, kinda a nice little subversion of that I guess.
I do not share that reading, but I did love how the concierge acted like a pushy fanfic writer. I almost expected him to come into the room screaming _"oh no, there's only one bed!"_ 😆
@@Brasswatchman oh yeah the whole situation was soo fanfic it was delightful haha
oh my gosh, Rutherford & Tendi blushing so much and none of them are admitting their actual feelings. Aaaaa, so much shy Ace energy
Lower Decks using their title to make a Darkplace reference justifies my growing warmth towards the show.
I love when the bridge crew are competent officers.
I feel like it’s a win-win whether Tendiford stays platonic or gets romantic.
If they get romantic, it pushes back against the toxic idea of the “friend zone” that media has been pushing for like 30 years.
If they stay platonic, it pushes back against the idea that a man and a woman can’t be close without it becoming a romance.
Has Tendi ever shown sexual interest in anything? Kinda seems like she might be ace while Rutherford's extremely clueless, and they're just in love already but neither realizes it because of their mutual social weirdness and Federation society being less obsessed with strict rules with regards to relationships.
Yeah, I believe she praised some guy for being hot in an early season one episode, and she kissed the guy who ascended
@@icey8475 Oh well, they also made Billups temporarily interested in women or one episode. There are definitely some weird continuity thingies in the show.
@@YumLemmingKebabs Well, that one madame on Orion did claim she used to "strick" men back in the day...
to be honest, the whole "it sucks that a man and a woman can't be close without it becoming a romance" has been repeated for like over a decade now, to the point where there's like no romance in anything anymore, and it now feels like it's become an overcorrection and it's gone too far...... so I want them to get together to break this depressing cycle of writers essentially saying "fine, nobody will find love in shows and movies because we're aware of the pseudo-critical internet people pointing out a trope"
Anyway, the whole show is about platonic friendships. What's one romance (that most people want to see) going to do to the status quo? If anything, it'll add to the group dynamic
At the end there I was expecting Ransom to glance back at Mariner with a look of "They're kidding, right?" and for her to just shrug in bewilderment as well.
Absolutely loved Rom and Leeta's shenanigans. It was fun watching Rom play the doofus knowing it's an act. He was always one of my favorite side characters from what I have seen of DS9.
Loved this one. Tendi and Rutherford kinda give off ace vibes with possibly demi-romantic attraction but they're just really bad at recognizing those feelings because it's so rare. Whatever they are they're adorable and I love them. Glad to see some forward movement on Mariner's character and bringing in her buddy from season 1 was great, I had totally forgotten about him. Boimler, buddy, we've all been there.
I think the restaurant they were in was a meta-reference to the old Star Trek hotel that was in Las Vegas.
I LOVED this episode. I find the Ferengi quite fascinating, really. I loved seeing sweet Nog and Leeta again, and Nog seems to have gotten smarter. And when Freeman conned them? I was laughing on the inside! Now that's how you win a ferengi’s respect.
Also, I enjoyed the ship tease between Tendi and Rutherford. Those two are perfect for each other even if they don't realize it yet. But it's better for them to do things they enjoy together instead of the standard romantic stuff. That's just who they are.
As for Mariner, I think she needs to take a look at herself because she's got some underlying issue behind her need to rebel. It's too self-destructive and if this keeps up, she's going to mess up big time.
Also, WHO IS ATTACKING ALL THOSE SHIPS?? Is that Badgey?!?!?
For real tho. The Ferengi Alliance joining the Federation is nutts.
It's insane that at this point, the Federation is outlasting all its major rivals in the Alpha and Beta Quadrant.
The Klingons have been beyond weakened after waging war all the damn time with their neighbors and each other.
The Cardassian Union is a non factor after the Dominion War.
The Romulan Star Empire it's on its way out once their Sun goes super nova.
I wonder if this will give future writers an excuse to explore the Gamma and Delta Quadrants or make some of the more minor threats like the Tholians or the Orions more prominent.
Have you watched _Discovery?_ If not, I won't spoil it. But from _Enterprise,_ the 26th century will see the Federation going to war with the sphere builders. Between then and Picard I'm thinking we're seeing the Monopower Era for the Federation (think: the US from 1993-2016).
I really wanted this to be the official Tenderford episode. It would have been one amazing story to tell any potential kids down the road
IMO Rutherford and Tendi are definitely in love with each other even if they don't know it and end up being platonic about it. He says the universal symbol for love should be "gorgeous green eyes" and then she says "What?!" And looks at him all panicked for a second while he has a "Oh my god why did I say that that's making it even more awkward" look, before they're immediately interrupted.
My favorite blink and you'll miss it touch was Quimp, who was established to be a professional actor in "Envoys," can be heard as the Ferengi TV narrator.
I can see from the comments that more people need to watch Garth Merenghi's Dark Place.
First time I’ve ever done a “Wait, did I read that right?” double take at the name of an episode of Star Trek.
I loved the Tendi & Rutherford arc here. As an ace, I've always shipped them as platonic sweethearts, and this episode just confirmed that for me in full force.
Eh... I'm not so sure.
Speaking of Tendy, Cardassian fusion jazz is my new favourite thing 😂 oh my😂😂
I admit, Rom kind of swindled me at first. I was honestly worried the comdey aspect of the show was leaning overly hard into Rom being dumb and even didn't like it, beacuse he is one of my favorite Star Trek characters. But as soon as Leeta stepped in to handle negotiations, I was like, "Oh you clever little power couple." And the whole thing basically being a test for the Federation was such a clever turn around at the end.
I even saw the "test" as a swindle-they only asked to sign the standard forms *after* they'd signed onto bringing Qo'nos into the Federation. From where I'm sitting, they got themselves out of a horrible contract all while claiming _that was the plan all along!_
Ya, the memorial got me to laugh hard, that gag was *chefs kiss*
This episode was a really fun one. Rutherford/Tendi being in their intimate platonic relationship, and them exploring the boundaries of that through their discomfort in this series of contrivances. Continuing to see this side of Mariner's cycle of self-destructive behaviour, and her growth throughout the series helping her notice her negative character traits. Rom's growth between series from being a foolish sidekick of Quark to a nuanced and prodigious engineer, to now being someone who can manipulate people to see their true intentions (and doing it so well he even tricked me into thinking the writers were regressing him into being a two-dimensional idiot).
The only concern is with how Boimler's been handled for half of this season so far. It feels like the writers have gone all in on giving Boimler growth through the first two or three seasons, and are at the point where he just serves as comic relief for a B- or C-story. He is a great comic character, and I know as one of the main characters he has to have at least some presence every episode, but I hope this isn't a permanent thing for him.
All in all this was a great mid-season episode, developing the world, the characters, and the ongoing mystery with the ship.
I sang out the slugo cola jingle...even fake marketing has a deathgrip on my brain!
I think lost income was the bank accounts or paychecks of the ferengi who died, and the random Migleemo jumpscare where they ""confess"" their love was the moment I finally liked him
Seeing the red blush on Tendi’s green face was such an unexpected fun surprise! I loved this episode :)
Omfg, a Garth Marenghi's Darkplace reference in the ST universe????? My spheres are colliding! 😮😮😮😮😮
I can't stay silent any longer! Hi, I am a huge Tendi + Boimler shipper. The problem is that Rutherford and Tendi are too similar to each other. They echo each other's strengths and weaknesses too much, which to me signals that they work better as BFFs rather than life partners. I think Tendi and Boimler compliment each other's shortfalls much better. And every scene Tendi has alone with Boimler has way more unspoken flirty tension than her scenes with Rutherford. Did you see the way she teased Boimler in front of Denty in episode 402? Also, no one can make Tendy laugh the way Boimler can. That's something special. Tendi displays a gentler sweetness towards Boimler that she doesn't show everyone else. I'm serious. Go rewatch all of the Tendi-Boimler scenes -- they've got real romantic chemistry. Team Boindi for LIFE!!
The Cop Landlord show really was the perfect way to show how scummy Ferengi television is, I loved it.
I admit I'd watch it.
It reminded me of grungy syndicated TV of the 1970s... Mass-produced and mind-numbing. Kind of what it does to Boimler
Great episode! Who knew an Orion could blush? The animation of them in their fancy clothes was great - they both looked wonderful!
I love how Rom's into Baseball, after being so bad at it in DS9. Made better by the fact that Max Grodénchik is actually pretty good at baseball, and played left handed in DS9 so he wouldn't be good in the show. So much fun!
I'm not a big belly laugh kind of guy (a comedy that can make me smile and chuckle is good enough for me), but this season has me rolling on the floor. Not all the time, but I really laughed out loud at the closing of this episode. Oh and the writers take on will-they-won't-they (which I tend to hate with a passion) was also pretty good.
I think this season will have a "to be continued" finale, considering the time they're taking to focus on the mysterious ship that's destroying everyone
Eh, there's still plenty of time.
There were, what, like 4 plot lines in this episode? And they were all awesome. We get development for Mariner and for Tendi and Rutherford. And we get to see growth from Rom and Leeta, who have clearly been influenced by Ferengi society even as they work to reform it. Like the DS9 episode, this one does a great job of moving the universe of DS9 along and getting telling a Lower Decks story. Great episode.
Judging by the amount of lols, funniest episode. I was screaming at places. I can just so see Rom being all "Federation = good" but also "IDK about this tho we're so different, remember Jake and Nog? But we need them some bad, what do we do!" and Leeta being all "I got you babe" and "They still have to respect your culture!!!" and them coming up with this elaborate plan and I love it. I went at least three time "Yep, still a Ferengi." with a smile on my face and I love that too. Ferengi shows and commercials being basically a copy of 20th-21st century Earth felt poignant in a very satisfying way. But the crowning moment of the episode was that restaurant scene. I swear when the 'confessed' to Meglimo I had to pause and something must have happened to my brain because my first thought was "OMG ARE WE GETTING A THREESOME LOWER DECKS?! DID YOU JUST GO THERE?" And when they staged that divorce I screamed "NOOO THERE'S A SOLUTION FOR THIS, IT'S CALLED POLYAMORY, DIVORCE IS NOT NECESSARY." Yeah, you're not the only weirdo out there xDDDD This episode was an effing joy ride I loved every second of it.
Ngl, I was holding my breath a little with the Rutherford & Tendi subplot. In my head I was like "oh dear god no, don't make them a couple." I'm on the ace spectrum and lean a little in the aromantic direction. I also have a platonic, female best friend. We've known each other for 20+ years and there's a level of intimacy and affection that exist between us that others mistakenly read as romantic. She's my soulmate and I'm hers. We're just two people who care deeply for one another.
That is why I'm sooo glad that they veered away from pushing a romance between Rutherford and Tendi. They can be affectionate, find the other physically attractive but not have a romance evolve between them.
SN: I believe soulmates can be platonic and you can have more than one.
Ruthy screamed how cute Tendi was in a previous episode and how he wanted to impress her
You're one of my favorite star trek reviewers , you really get the messages of the shows :D
Was that before or after the memory wipe?
@@pyRoy6 it was said to badgey during his episode
@@kingofnonation5843 I think that's before the memory wipe, then.
By the time of ST: Discovery s4, Ferenginar may have been a Federation member longer than Earth.
Public for the public god! Libraries for the library throne!
Haha, the Cop Landlord idea was Chef's kiss... It's so over the top I love it...totally fits who the Ferengi are. And damn Jessie..I'm bummed that this may be the final pin in the cap for Rutherford and Tendi..I loved seeing them blush and get awkward together..but it sort of solifies their only platonic friendship.. Great episode though
I am loving this season! The Tendi and Rutherford story was very funny. 🤣I see them as two very close nerdy friends and it was cute seeing Tendi blushing. The whole episode was another strong one for me! 👍
Well they've been hinting at them being shippable since season 1.
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I love that the Star Trek Experience is now canon in Star Trek.
I think of myself as someone largely unaffected by fan service….but seeing the homage to Star Trek: The Experience broke me.
I think the episode shows that they both have romantic feelings for each other but are not ready to express them and are being pushed into the awkward situation where they have to. If they were purely platonic, pretending to be together would have posed no issue but because they have feelings which they are not prepared to explore, it starts to get too real and becomes awkward fast. It's not the audience that is walking the line, it's the characters who at this point are afraid to risk the comfort of their friendship dynamic. But since this episode goes there, it probably means that they will try to be more than friends before the end of the season.
Tendi and Rutherford are clearly all about each other. Look how they both blushed.
So agree with you Jessie about Freeman's negotiating working because she knows & can respect Ferengi culture while also affirming Federation values.
As for that ongoing ship thing they’ve been doing, I’ve rather enjoyed picking out patterns. The first ship to go was the Klingons, with one of them saying “he won’t be captain much longer…” hinting at some plot. Of note, they read 1 lifesign on board.
The Romulans, of course, have two people opening plotting to usurp their commander. Of note, not only is this mystery ship hijacking and disabling systems, they detected the Romulan vessel despite it being implied they were cloaked before the scene picks up on the bridge.
The Orions are the only crew not to have a seditious member wanting to overthrow or kill their commanding officer, but also of note they were the only ship to have pursued the mystery ship being the ones to engage, all the others were sought out by the mystery ship.
Betazoid Monitoring Station got the Squatch-Snapshot of the mystery ship, confirmation from the ambassador and Freeman that no one has seen a ship like this before.
Brings us to now, we have another crewmate wanting to take over and a hint that the previous examples may have similarly been in contact with the mystery ship (except the Orions). Also of note, the Ferengi had a Genesis Device onboard. Very curious what puzzle pieces we will be given next.
As for the rest of the episode, great stuff, I personally don’t ship Tendi and Rutherford because I very rarely care to see characters become couples. Not against it, just not something I think much about. What I do care a lot about is their dynamic so this was a hilarious, dial-to-10 sitcom style nonsense.
So fabulous to have Rom & Leeta! I feel satisfied that they are doing well, very much themselves, and improving things a bit - like not trading weapons for ex. Just feels good to know
This is a very Paul f Tompkins heavy episode and I am very here for it.
I have a difficult time enjoying PFT, because my first major exposure to him was his playing an over-the-top parody of himself in _You're The Worst._ I'm sure longtime fans of his thought those bits were absolutely hilarious, but now I kinda can't see (or hear) him as anything else but an depraved cokehead and a terrible boss.
@@GSBarlev fun fact he also played an over the top version of himself in another show. I think it was called LA story or something like that.
You do you, but if you want to explore more pft I suggest his standup or podcasts.
"This is what Heaven would be like if God were stupid." Brave dialog in this age.
Hands down, my favorite lower decks episode. I love the landlord cop show as explicit commentary on policing in (white supremacist) capitalism. And something you didn't mention about the Tendi-Rutherford arc here I love is how it really comments on socially enforced monogamy. As well as the commodification of marriage/monogamy where it undermines friendship as an end to itself. I feel like I could write an essay on this episode alone.
I am absolutely loving this season! For me, this is my fave season overall. Can't wait to see how it wraps up it's continued storyline.
Great show, loved Jerry O'Connell part at the end... "Just go limp"
"I've been keeping my eye on you, Rom. You're not as stupid as you seem."
"I am too!"
This was another really good one. I like that Tendi and Rutherford didn't actually end up getting together, that was where I was expecting it to go. I also really like how they're using Miglymo this season, PFT is always hilarious. So far for me, this season has been on fire. Only one I didn't love was the first ep and even that one was still ok
Normalize romantic friendships! Rutherford and Tendi might be attracted to each other and have deep feelings for each other, but there's nothing that says they have to kiss or bang because of it. What they have right now can be perfectly sustainable and fulfilling. I sort of hope they don't hook up.
I was a little disappointed that they didn't even make a reference Nog, I mean seriously the first Ferengi in Starfleet and son of the grand Nagus and they didn't even make an excuse why he wasn't here, and yes I am aware that Aron Eisenberg (Nog's actor) passed away in 2019, it just would have been nice to get a reference.
I have three moments that particularly stick with me from DS9, Obviously number one is," It's a fake", but the next two go to Quark, his discussion with Worf about root beer, and his speech to Sisko about us hating Ferengi because they remind humans of who we where, nice to see Ferengi being massively progressive when it matters, they are still massivly reprehensible but sometimes they maybe sort themselves out quicker than we do.
Never before or since has there been a better explanation of the Federation than the root beer speech (wasn't it with Garak, though?)
it might be Garak , I remeber it being Worf and Quark, memories are weird, maybe it's because , whoever said it, was behind Quarks bar
Tendi and Rutherford being pretty much a QPR felt great to see 🥰. Great to see that type of partnership in this show, think there needs to be more representation that some people can be in-between platonic and romantic and made me feel seen.
I hadn't heard the term queerplatonic relationship before today, so thank you for adding it to my vocabulary!
@@GSBarlev Happy to hear that!
Sometimes I see people accusing reviews like this of "telling people what to think", personally I don't think so, and this episode of Lower Decks and your review is a prime example of why; I wasn't too keen on this episode, but hearing your points has helped me reconsider a bit. Not in a "you told me what to think" way, but in a sense that you've helped me perceive another side to the episode.
I thought Rom was a bit flanderised into being stupid; obviously he was always kind of an idiot, but Zek chose him as his successor specifically because he noted stuff like the union episode and realised Rom had a good head on his shoulders, and I was a little afraid at times that this episode of Lower Decks didn't get that, but you brought up some points that reminded me that playing dumb was part of Rom's deliberate ploy here.
Likewise, I do much prefer to see Rutherford and Tendi as platonic. Star Trek has often struggled a bit depicting platonic relationships, especially between male and female characters, so I like to see Rutherford and Tendi as, yes close and a bit flirty, but nonetheless a strong example of an opposite-sex platonic relationship. This episode for me, leant a bit hard into the romantic angle, so I wasn't on board with that at all, but again, hearing your side of it, and how much you appreciated it helped me to make peace with that part of the episode a bit.
I probably won't ever love this episode of Lower Decks, but its always refreshing and interesting to hear people talk about why they like things that I don't. Its never about reviews like this telling me what to think, as some people seem to want to accuse, its about getting to hear and discuss different readings of a text rather than just sitting in an echo-chamber of people who just plain agree.
This is a great comment! I just watched The Shuttlepod Show episode with Rod Roddenberry and he literally said that his favourite thing about ST how it emphasises the importance of understanding different perspectives.
That would actually be the perfect sort of tie-in media that could now be put out in association with LD…the Lower Decks Traveler’s Guide to Fereginar, as basically a tie-in follow-up to Garth Ferengi’s Heart Place! 😅😍😁
And you know, after watching the episode again, I love the implication at the end that if the Admiral had actually just given Rom and Leeta everything they were after, Rom wouldn't have signed the agreement. It's like they said at the start of the episode, it would have been good for short trem profit, but it would have been a terrible long term arrangement joining with a group that is so easily taken advantage of. It really shows how smart Rom and Leeta are and how they do have the best in mind for the Ferengi Alliance.
And then there's Quimp, who I adore. Not only genuine friends with a human, but a female. And clearly it's obvious he and Mariner have been friends for a long time, probably long before Rom became Nagus. So he's just the kind of progressive Ferengi that is going to thrive under Rom's leadership.
Not a fan of the Rutherford and Tendi ship, but we would probably take little issue with it becoming a thing if it wasn’t for the way Trek broke up Mariner and Jennifer (and Seven and Raffi).
Yeah! And how even with Picard and Laris where they're still technically together, it doesn't matter because they have no screen time together. Just let someone be happy, Paramount! But yeah the Mariner Jennifer one especially rankles since they don't even do anything with the fact that they broke up. It doesn't inform character going forward, we just don't get any lines from Jennifer at all now and it sucks.
Asexual people do exist. That's another possibility to consider.
@@MariaMartinez-researcher Not sure where anything we said suggested we don't consider that. We're aro ourselves.
Interesting. T'Lyn had an existential crisis in last week's episode, and this week Mariner has one. Will T'Lyn help Mariner through her crisis like Mariner helped her.
I love that Captain Freeman "is (really) good at her job."
I was a little surprised Rutherford and Tendi aren't (?) attracted to each other.
On the note of Tendi, did anyone else notice she wasn’t in this episode? Maybe she was on administrative leave following the events of last episode?
Yeah, I noticed her and a few other regulars have missed some episodes. I assumed it was a cost saving move. Only the main four are in all ten episodes. This seems to be the new normal in shows now.
Yey, new lower decks review by Jessie. One of the highlights of the week ❤🖖
Absolutely LOVED this episode! It may be because I love [CENSORED] and [CENSORED] so much, but I have never laughed so long and hard at a "Lower Decks" episode! THANKS for your detail and perspective as always! And clearly that was a 2023 college library :)
It had me laughing our loud more than any other episode of LDS. It had a good balance of references "that's just funny" jokes. Also, one could say I'm a simp for Rutherford and Tendi, too.
Why you playin' with my feelings, Lower Decks?! You can't tease me like that with... Tendiford? Rundi?😆🤣
Because they can, that's why! 😆
I really love how this episode explore the possibility of Rutherford and Tendi as a couple.👍👌
I think the way Tendi and Rutherford played the fake romance on the ship could be read as very platonic, but if it truly was that, I think the romantic stuff may have still been a game to them instead of the discomfort they both started discovering. Especially when they slipped and said earnest things and felt very vulnerable.
In a weird kind of way, it's kind of like La'an talking to Jim "so it doesn't come out in song later."
I gotta watch the episode now. Thank you for making these.