I tried Terminal Attack for the first time today. My very first game someone on the enemy team left before the 1st round even began. I guess if this happens the game automatically gets cancelled and you have to find another game. The second game I played was just boring. Theres no chaos or destruction it just felt stale. It wasn’t a particularly bad experience it was just a boring experience
i feel that wouldnt balance it. it would make heavy and medium more dominate again. if heavy regen to like 250 or something and medium to 175 and light to 100. it would be just as unfair as cashout when it comes to health
The timer could also freeze when decrypting and it reaches 0 but of course it doesn't end the round unless the decryption was canceled or interrupted. The same could be done for undoing the decryption.
if they turned the time of picking classes and gadgets to the time before the wall dropped it would work. like in val for example when the defense is setting up attacking is picking their gear instead of just waiting around punching stuff. and if when switching rounds instead of a black screen that last 10 years have us pick loadouts or give a match play maker where we can draw/plan a route on a map your whole team can see. giving more tactical problem solving and team work. i genuinely think TA is a more competitive fair mode. cash out is just 3rd party simulator that favors heavy and medium far too much. i also feel in BOTH TA and cash out they should have a class limit. in cash out you should simply be allowed 1 of each type and in TA max of 2 of each type. so you can have 2 lights 2 meds or one heavy and mix and match that based off your teammates. so you dont run into 5 turrets and 30 mines in high elo. or lh1 sniper combos and 10 sonars.
I feel this was true about Ranked TA at the beginning but i think a lot has changed in TA since this video and tbh most my games of TA are usually very chaotic as of now i am pushing diamond so idk if rank or playstyle could have something to do with it but i usually play heavy.
Just because you don't have time to plant anymore, doesn't mean the match should end. You need 6 seconds to plant( I think!? ), but you can kill the enemy team in those 6 seconds. About freezing the timer of the bomb. If you think you did everything right and didn't have time to defuse the bomb, you're just wrong. It would be best if you took time in consideration when going in for the objective. - If you have more time you can sneak around and try to pick them one by one. - If there's no time you might try to go in and bomb plant or just decide to not go in and avoid another death. This time problem isn't just happening in TA but in cashout mode as well. You have the same problem already where people don't have any perception of time and it creates a lot of unnecessary and stupid 3rd parties. Many of the points you're making as something wrong with the mode are all something we see in CS or Valorant. - If you die early in the round you spectate and do nothing. - At the start of the round you use the freeze time to buy up or talk strategy with the team. The main problem at least from what I see in the EU servers is that there's no communication. People don't talk, they don't give any callouts either. Where to go or what to do. How they want to play together, how to play that specific round, Nothing! Players are not going in with utility to help the team and what you see the most is lights with greedy loadouts. There's nothing wrong with going light. I would feel the same way too if I went a match of CS and everyone is buying random ass guns every round (wasting all of their money), everyone going anywhere as they please without any strategy in mind, and no comms for the entire game besides a random "You Suck" when end up not winning a 1v3.
Does anyone else experience that when you win matches, you are awarded few points, and when you lose, you lose many points? It doesn't matter who you play against or how well you performed in the match. It just seems like the points are not awarded correctly.
Ta just ain't good, light is picked 90% of the time because they get 2/3 of their health, everyone runs either the sniper or lh1, and it can have a lot of down time. I feel it would be better if, they make regen better either they just give full regen to all classes but if they did this they would need to make a rule were if their are more than 2 heavy than the max hp of each heavy should get their max health cut by say 50 points per extra heavy over 2, next cut the round by half, I think this would fix my Main problem which is chip damage I don't want to play say heavy because I'm gona lose half my health just trying to get to the point no matter how carefully I tried to get there I'm gona get shot by the sniper and it's just unfun to have to cower and hope you can do something before all your health is gone and your basically useless.
@@chickenmcfly2133 Even if you’re not really dying, most of the game mode comes down to waiting. And that’s not all. The medium class is completely invalidated compared to other classes. If someone leaves the game the game will automatically end. Even as the attacker you still need to wait a solid minute before you can do anything. The game mode itself also contradicts with the identity of the gameplay for THE FINALS. There is no fast paced destruction and movement with this game mode as all interactions are more one sided, with not chance to revive or anything.
@@0atslaughter nah, mediums are definitely useful. I hate the movement speed of heavy so I don’t use it. I’m almost diamond with just medium class and I don’t even play ranked that much. And even on cash out you’re waiting. And if you’re not waiting you’re getting 3rd partied…. Which is not very competitive in my opinion. Cashout ranked is more luck than skill. It was to easy to climb the ranks as well. I’m not a big fan of ta but the move they made I think was just right until they figure out a better method for cashout ranked. People just need to be patient and if they enjoy cash out just play world tour. It’s not that crazy
Claiming Terminal Attack doesn't work in ranked (at all) is silly, it does. There are downsides sure, but it's ultimately more competitive and easier to learn. The thing most people take issue with is the removal of ranked Cashout.
"More competitive = More like CSGO/Valorant, actual competitive games" Terrible reasoning. The game simply wasn't designed for this game mode at all, two of the class archetypes remain underutilized because of Light, players get easily stuck between the debris of certain maps and then they get easily killed. Usually, someone on your team would be able to help you get out of there in the other modes but in TA the playstyle is to play like a chicken, never take any risks and to abuse the ridiculously open angles that make actual Tac Shooters pros laugh at Terminal Attack. The game mode is not more competitive because it copies CSGO, it is simply S&D slapped into THE FINALS and because the core of the game wasn't altered nor the maps, it feels much worse than in actual Tactical Shooters. At best, it's a very casual version of S&D and not truly competitive nor compatible with the game.
@nonr.2347 Everything you said is subjective opinion. T/A is alot more competitive than Cashout in my opinion. I don't enjoy it as much as Cashout, but it certainly leads to more white knuckled gaming. I dont give a fucc if S&D was in C/S first. It's fun in THE FINALS too.
@@-KIMISAFOX I fully disagree. You can't just slap a "competitive" format into a game and say that it is now competitive, that is insulting to all devs that actually made an effort making a whole game designed for S&D.
@@nonr.2347it’s more competitive because it team vs team. Not 4 diff teams. So easy to just sit back and wait to third party. I’m not even a big fan of ta and I feel like this was a good move.
@@chickenmcfly2133 Just team vs team is a whole different thing and is already in the game through the final round of tournament. TA is not competitive and is not fully compatible with the game despite being team vs team.
I really just want full gadgets and healing the way it is in literally every other game mode but maby just a little slower maby and no heal beam ik heavy would be broken but they already are in the other modes and it needs to be addressed regardless
11:33 i totally disagree on this. Maybe because i come from CS but when you don't get the objective in time you should not be rewarded for that. I get how unsatisfying it is to kill the enemy team and still lose the round because of the time but that's just the nature of the game. Other than that, good points on why terminal attack is bad.
uninstalled the finals until terminal attack isnt the only ranked gamemode. i dont care if it keeps a ranked gamemode, i just love the strategy and creative situations/meta provided by the tournament mode that the game was named after.
@@chickenmcfly2133 I don't see how getting 3rd partied is bad and non competitive. The game gives you tons of information to pick up and figure out if you're going to get 3rd partied or not. Most people hate getting 3rd partied cause they commit to a fight with one team and forget about the overall game around them. This game isn't meant to be a 3 lane tac shooter. You aren't supposed to be committing to any fights until you have an objective to defend, and as long as you hold your point right you can almost always use a 3rd party team to your advantage to mop up your original aggressing team. Tournament mode isn't "chaos", it's just a mode with so many more situations that don't exist in your typical shooter that it seems chaotic, but in reality, just like any other game, if you play a bunch and pick up the flow, you'll start to see it as 4 way chess the way the situations line up pretty consistently. More variables =/= casual chaos, it just means there's a higher skill ceiling than most newer players think. Most people who play rocket league with no context to the competitive community have no clue how a game so silly and chaotic can be competitive, but again, it's just got more situations and a higher skill ceiling to learn.
I hate to break it to all the guys who played this game before this season, but TA is the best mode for ranked in this game. I got about 50 hours playtime, I'm clearly an expert.
@@inkslingerdrew Ik it's bait, but for the day ones and people with 500+ hours, we hate that the only way to play ranked is a game mode that's been out for only a few months, a mode that wasn't in the creators minds when they were balancing and creating the game and a mode that very poorly emulates other tac shooters.
As someone that mostly plays medium in TA: 1. The data reshaper is good to prevent damage from gimmicky gadgets or the turret, specially when you play as attacker. In other words, you can help by deleting all the things that may stop you advancing. 2. The turret is important to stop the enemy to approach the terminal, specially when you get tagged and someone is tracking you. 3. Stop seeing this mode as cashout. Everyone is asking for healing or reviving, just change the cashout stations to terminals adding healing beam and defib and you have cashout again.
Let's be honest, season 2 > season 3 Only kyoto and some new weapons/gadgets were a good add. Everything else is meh or just to make a little bad the game experience
I heard the same thing…let me try and translate. 1) the abilities and gadgets need a bit of a rework for TA only- buff medium/ heavy gadgets. 2) lower time waiting/ rounds to win 3) get good. I agree and I’m sure Embark is working on it
Another rant, another way to loose fans of your channel. At this point, he's burying himself a grave. (NGL though, TA sucks as much as it is, but would you rather have a game mode that you may get third or fourth partied on [cashout] or would have 2 teams playing on a search and destroy mode [ terminal attack]. personally, i would have cashout fixed and powershift as the temporary ranked mode until cashout is fixed. As for TA, cut the big maps in half so it the attacking team won’t get flanked by the defending teams a lot)
I’d much rather prefer cash out and or power shift as the new ranked, if u enjoy search and destroy they’re are tons of games like that, the finals wasn’t built like that
I tried Terminal Attack for the first time today.
My very first game someone on the enemy team left before the 1st round even began. I guess if this happens the game automatically gets cancelled and you have to find another game.
The second game I played was just boring. Theres no chaos or destruction it just felt stale. It wasn’t a particularly bad experience it was just a boring experience
Rarely do I see matches of people finishing a round with the attack happening. It feels like single elimination death match.
Health regen should be based on percentage and not just a generic 100hp across the board
tbh I don't know about that. Imagine how annoying it will be to bring down a heavy to 1 and then he just comes back with more than 100 hp.
That might cause more problems tbh, but thats a good idea
i feel that wouldnt balance it. it would make heavy and medium more dominate again. if heavy regen to like 250 or something and medium to 175 and light to 100. it would be just as unfair as cashout when it comes to health
The timer could also freeze when decrypting and it reaches 0 but of course it doesn't end the round unless the decryption was canceled or interrupted.
The same could be done for undoing the decryption.
if they turned the time of picking classes and gadgets to the time before the wall dropped it would work. like in val for example when the defense is setting up attacking is picking their gear instead of just waiting around punching stuff. and if when switching rounds instead of a black screen that last 10 years have us pick loadouts or give a match play maker where we can draw/plan a route on a map your whole team can see. giving more tactical problem solving and team work. i genuinely think TA is a more competitive fair mode. cash out is just 3rd party simulator that favors heavy and medium far too much. i also feel in BOTH TA and cash out they should have a class limit. in cash out you should simply be allowed 1 of each type and in TA max of 2 of each type. so you can have 2 lights 2 meds or one heavy and mix and match that based off your teammates. so you dont run into 5 turrets and 30 mines in high elo. or lh1 sniper combos and 10 sonars.
I feel this was true about Ranked TA at the beginning but i think a lot has changed in TA since this video and tbh most my games of TA are usually very chaotic as of now i am pushing diamond so idk if rank or playstyle could have something to do with it but i usually play heavy.
I’m in plat lobbies and I destroy lights while I’m a medium
Just because you don't have time to plant anymore, doesn't mean the match should end. You need 6 seconds to plant( I think!? ), but you can kill the enemy team in those 6 seconds.
About freezing the timer of the bomb. If you think you did everything right and didn't have time to defuse the bomb, you're just wrong. It would be best if you took time in consideration when going in for the objective.
- If you have more time you can sneak around and try to pick them one by one.
- If there's no time you might try to go in and bomb plant or just decide to not go in and avoid another death.
This time problem isn't just happening in TA but in cashout mode as well. You have the same problem already where people don't have any perception of time and it creates a lot of unnecessary and stupid 3rd parties.
Many of the points you're making as something wrong with the mode are all something we see in CS or Valorant.
- If you die early in the round you spectate and do nothing.
- At the start of the round you use the freeze time to buy up or talk strategy with the team.
The main problem at least from what I see in the EU servers is that there's no communication. People don't talk, they don't give any callouts either. Where to go or what to do. How they want to play together, how to play that specific round, Nothing!
Players are not going in with utility to help the team and what you see the most is lights with greedy loadouts. There's nothing wrong with going light.
I would feel the same way too if I went a match of CS and everyone is buying random ass guns every round (wasting all of their money), everyone going anywhere as they please without any strategy in mind, and no comms for the entire game besides a random "You Suck" when end up not winning a 1v3.
the heavy's destroy point is moot if you use the ks23.. the only good weapon for them. has damage has range other than that you're not wrong.
Embark please just rework Quick Cash and use it as the competitive gamemode
Does anyone else experience that when you win matches, you are awarded few points, and when you lose, you lose many points? It doesn't matter who you play against or how well you performed in the match. It just seems like the points are not awarded correctly.
i mean, i gain 1 k points for a win and with a lose -600 to -700 almost all the time and im platinum 3, i think its ur mmr
I love how the gaming community can come together and really feel the exact same way as each other on a hated mode
I don’t feel it and the finals is the only game I play
Ta just ain't good, light is picked 90% of the time because they get 2/3 of their health, everyone runs either the sniper or lh1, and it can have a lot of down time. I feel it would be better if, they make regen better either they just give full regen to all classes but if they did this they would need to make a rule were if their are more than 2 heavy than the max hp of each heavy should get their max health cut by say 50 points per extra heavy over 2, next cut the round by half, I think this would fix my Main problem which is chip damage I don't want to play say heavy because I'm gona lose half my health just trying to get to the point no matter how carefully I tried to get there I'm gona get shot by the sniper and it's just unfun to have to cower and hope you can do something before all your health is gone and your basically useless.
Terminal attack sucks
It doesn’t, it’s pretty fun
@@chickenmcfly2133 Most of the game mode is just waiting.
@@0atslaughter if you’re always dying, yea definitely
@@chickenmcfly2133 Even if you’re not really dying, most of the game mode comes down to waiting. And that’s not all. The medium class is completely invalidated compared to other classes. If someone leaves the game the game will automatically end. Even as the attacker you still need to wait a solid minute before you can do anything. The game mode itself also contradicts with the identity of the gameplay for THE FINALS. There is no fast paced destruction and movement with this game mode as all interactions are more one sided, with not chance to revive or anything.
@@0atslaughter nah, mediums are definitely useful. I hate the movement speed of heavy so I don’t use it. I’m almost diamond with just medium class and I don’t even play ranked that much. And even on cash out you’re waiting. And if you’re not waiting you’re getting 3rd partied…. Which is not very competitive in my opinion. Cashout ranked is more luck than skill. It was to easy to climb the ranks as well. I’m not a big fan of ta but the move they made I think was just right until they figure out a better method for cashout ranked. People just need to be patient and if they enjoy cash out just play world tour. It’s not that crazy
Claiming Terminal Attack doesn't work in ranked (at all) is silly, it does. There are downsides sure, but it's ultimately more competitive and easier to learn. The thing most people take issue with is the removal of ranked Cashout.
"More competitive = More like CSGO/Valorant, actual competitive games"
Terrible reasoning. The game simply wasn't designed for this game mode at all, two of the class archetypes remain underutilized because of Light, players get easily stuck between the debris of certain maps and then they get easily killed. Usually, someone on your team would be able to help you get out of there in the other modes but in TA the playstyle is to play like a chicken, never take any risks and to abuse the ridiculously open angles that make actual Tac Shooters pros laugh at Terminal Attack.
The game mode is not more competitive because it copies CSGO, it is simply S&D slapped into THE FINALS and because the core of the game wasn't altered nor the maps, it feels much worse than in actual Tactical Shooters. At best, it's a very casual version of S&D and not truly competitive nor compatible with the game.
@nonr.2347 Everything you said is subjective opinion. T/A is alot more competitive than Cashout in my opinion. I don't enjoy it as much as Cashout, but it certainly leads to more white knuckled gaming. I dont give a fucc if S&D was in C/S first. It's fun in THE FINALS too.
@@-KIMISAFOX I fully disagree. You can't just slap a "competitive" format into a game and say that it is now competitive, that is insulting to all devs that actually made an effort making a whole game designed for S&D.
@@nonr.2347it’s more competitive because it team vs team. Not 4 diff teams. So easy to just sit back and wait to third party. I’m not even a big fan of ta and I feel like this was a good move.
@@chickenmcfly2133 Just team vs team is a whole different thing and is already in the game through the final round of tournament. TA is not competitive and is not fully compatible with the game despite being team vs team.
11:50 that’s not even personal, that’s what they used to get us involved in the game
Nah mediums are good for sungle point defense and if you run double heavy you destroy lights
I really just want full gadgets and healing the way it is in literally every other game mode but maby just a little slower maby and no heal beam ik heavy would be broken but they already are in the other modes and it needs to be addressed regardless
No.
11:33 i totally disagree on this. Maybe because i come from CS but when you don't get the objective in time you should not be rewarded for that. I get how unsatisfying it is to kill the enemy team and still lose the round because of the time but that's just the nature of the game. Other than that, good points on why terminal attack is bad.
Imo most of this dudes takes are pretty bad, but he’s doing gods work complaining about TA. Fuck TA sucks.
uninstalled the finals until terminal attack isnt the only ranked gamemode. i dont care if it keeps a ranked gamemode, i just love the strategy and creative situations/meta provided by the tournament mode that the game was named after.
Creative? You mean 3rd party?
@@chickenmcfly2133 I don't see how getting 3rd partied is bad and non competitive. The game gives you tons of information to pick up and figure out if you're going to get 3rd partied or not. Most people hate getting 3rd partied cause they commit to a fight with one team and forget about the overall game around them. This game isn't meant to be a 3 lane tac shooter. You aren't supposed to be committing to any fights until you have an objective to defend, and as long as you hold your point right you can almost always use a 3rd party team to your advantage to mop up your original aggressing team. Tournament mode isn't "chaos", it's just a mode with so many more situations that don't exist in your typical shooter that it seems chaotic, but in reality, just like any other game, if you play a bunch and pick up the flow, you'll start to see it as 4 way chess the way the situations line up pretty consistently. More variables =/= casual chaos, it just means there's a higher skill ceiling than most newer players think. Most people who play rocket league with no context to the competitive community have no clue how a game so silly and chaotic can be competitive, but again, it's just got more situations and a higher skill ceiling to learn.
@@biguglycaveman6995 agree
ranked TA is fun asf IMO but kyoto dose not go well with the game mode, I start to dislike the map cause it comes up so much in rotation
terminal attack is goated
I hate to break it to all the guys who played this game before this season, but TA is the best mode for ranked in this game. I got about 50 hours playtime, I'm clearly an expert.
@@inkslingerdrew Ik it's bait, but for the day ones and people with 500+ hours, we hate that the only way to play ranked is a game mode that's been out for only a few months, a mode that wasn't in the creators minds when they were balancing and creating the game and a mode that very poorly emulates other tac shooters.
As someone that mostly plays medium in TA:
1. The data reshaper is good to prevent damage from gimmicky gadgets or the turret, specially when you play as attacker. In other words, you can help by deleting all the things that may stop you advancing.
2. The turret is important to stop the enemy to approach the terminal, specially when you get tagged and someone is tracking you.
3. Stop seeing this mode as cashout. Everyone is asking for healing or reviving, just change the cashout stations to terminals adding healing beam and defib and you have cashout again.
Yea idk why this guy keeps saying medium is useless.. he’s saying this while being in silver lobbies lol
Coulda just added a team deathmath tried to be counter strike
All I heard was wah wah wah.
I mean I think this massive blight on the beta shooter of the past 8 years or so is worth crying about
Let's be honest, season 2 > season 3
Only kyoto and some new weapons/gadgets were a good add. Everything else is meh or just to make a little bad the game experience
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I heard the same thing…let me try and translate. 1) the abilities and gadgets need a bit of a rework for TA only- buff medium/ heavy gadgets. 2) lower time waiting/ rounds to win 3) get good. I agree and I’m sure Embark is working on it
In higher elo theres a lot more objective play and lots of class variation.
💀 bro piggy literaly just plays 5 light doesnt even go to The objective they just kill The enemy team.....
@@Mr-Crown how many piggy lights have you come across? This video is for average gamers. Average lights suck ass. He's giving them bad advice.
Most are lights when I've played ta...just my exp
Another rant, another way to loose fans of your channel. At this point, he's burying himself a grave. (NGL though, TA sucks as much as it is, but would you rather have a game mode that you may get third or fourth partied on [cashout] or would have 2 teams playing on a search and destroy mode [ terminal attack]. personally, i would have cashout fixed and powershift as the temporary ranked mode until cashout is fixed. As for TA, cut the big maps in half so it the attacking team won’t get flanked by the defending teams a lot)
I’d much rather prefer cash out and or power shift as the new ranked, if u enjoy search and destroy they’re are tons of games like that, the finals wasn’t built like that
@@TeachmeGin true, but I don’t think the’ll remove ta until season 4